Christianist Group's Billboard Compares Atheism To Murder
By Nicole Belle Tuesday Jun 02, 2009 2:00pm
A group calling themselves "Answers in Genesis" recently took out a billboard in Texas depicting a young boy holding a gun.
Here’s how Answers in Genesis describes themselves:
An apologetics (i.e., Christianity-defending) ministry, dedicated to enabling Christians to defend their faith and to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ effectively…we also desire to train others to develop a biblical worldview, and seek to expose the bankruptcy of evolutionary ideas, and its bedfellow, a “millions of years old” earth (and even older universe).
[..]Personally, I can’t believe they are implying that non-believers, or to whom God “doesn’t matter,” are going to take a gun and shoot someone in the face.
Striking yes; thoughtful, absolutely not.
Although supposedly their beef is with evolution, I don’t see how that point is conveyed with this picture. So, according to them, believing what Darwin had to say means a person is lawless and will go on a killing rampage?
They were so enamored of this image, they used it in a TV ad as well:
Given the rising violence we're seeing lately, I hope that Answers in Genesis remove the ad and rethink the campaign altogether, before someone interprets it as a way to prove their faith.
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So "we" take the bullets, and we also are the "bad guys."
See Why there is so much hate and killings in the world past and present.. Some ??Christians?? do it in the name of their interpretation of what they think religion is telling them,, or is it just arrogant and BS..
They say that we have to hate and kill citizens in Iraq , Iran and in American because they do not agree with their belief or actions...
The fanatic Christians hate anything they do not understand or is not what they wish for one to do..
That say they are doing what Jesus told them to do....
Yep! Nothing says "Jesus" like walking into a church and gunning down an unarmed man.
Praise the Lord!
That's the problem, religion IS whatever they want it to be. There is nothing verifiable in it. They make up these idiotic fantasies and then demand that everyone join in. People need to start standing up to them and reinforcing that there is no place for religion in public schools or in politics.
Exactly. If it's not based on reality it can only cause trouble.
the billboard is saying that the kid is an Atheist and that all Atheists have no problems killing other people.
Boy, I'm relieved that the god-fearing good folk of this wacko group FINALLY told me what I should be doing, since I am an Atheist and all....
Oh, wait-that Roeder nut and Pro-Life groupies are the killers, not me! Whew!
The stupidity of these knuckle-draggers is beyond the pale; their denial of science and reason is unsurpassed; and they capacity for violence is alarming. This peaceful Atheist has had enough of these nut cases.
Everyone knows that god and guns is the deadliest combination of any two things on the face of the planet.
FUCK all these
christianhypocrites,it's the reichwingreligeousnuts that are doing
the killing, NOT the atheists !!!!!
their god is embarrassed and ashamed of the
phony christians in America.
I don't have the exact numbers, but I believe I read that 65% of
convicts identify themselves Christians, while only 5% identify
themselves as agnostic or atheist. I will find this.
www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm
I don't think the billboard is for real. If it is, it is not in Texas or not recent. Follow the links for yourself. The group is headed by an Australian who came to California and is now in Kentucky.
The video is on the group AiG's website, and was produced in 2006.
The billboard bears the name Keller. There is no such company listed in Texas. There is a Duke-Keller Outdoor Advertising in Boerne, Texas, but they sold their billboards in San Antonio in 1996.
It may not be in Texas.
I was relying on the original post for that location, but following her links, it appears that it went up in Kentucky, which is home to AIG.
see this link: http://www.dangeroustalk.net/billboard-wars.html
I tried following all her links but could never get a picture of the billboard anywhere.
The best explanation of this campaign I can find (it started in 2006 and ended quickly) in at Pharyngugula, which posted about it the same day as the blog from which C&L picked it up. It is a great post.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/06/if...
As in move projection. I am sure that these wacks think the universe started in 1927 when god gave man the creation of sound for motion picturs.
How many kinds of frightening is that picture? Plus it makes no sense.
It makes no sense whatsoever.
Unless the idea here is that godless secular humanists will kill anyone, so the best thing to do is to kill them first.
Killing an abortion doctor - or any other heathen liberal who professes anti-Christian views - is then, perversely, justifiable.
What would Jesus do? Why he would grab his AK47 and mow em' down, and then let his daddy sort them out.
Everybody knows Jesus would never use a godless commie gun like an AK. As a proud American, Jesus would use about the last thing still made in America: The Jesus Gold PLated "Limited Edition" AR-15.
USA USA USA USA!!!!!!
Armalite is a Dutch Company!
God damn it! This is God trying to test our faith by placing our guns in the hands of evil Eruopeen socielists...
First they took our apple pie, and now our armalites! Dutchland will pay fer this! Down with the Netherregionlands....
The AR-15 is manufactured by Colt as the M-16 under license from Aramalite. So....
USA! USA! USA! ZIEG HEIL! ZIEG HEIL! Sorry...I get confused sometimes.
Sieg.
now I've got milk comin' out my nose and sprayed all over this keyboard.
to burn in hell for all eternity. Does it really matter how fast they get there? Same applies to those folks in those inferior countries that pose a threat to freedom and liberty and the national interests in whatever way FoxNews and the pastor says. Now lets drink some Jewish zombie blood and eat some Jewish zombie flesh and wait for our wings and pretty white smocks.
The ad needs to come down ASAP - I'm sure that's possible.
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You're assuming an invisible giant in space makes sense? This does come from the same people.
They should give up the home-schooling pronto.
"Do you" what?
"Do you matter to God"? "Does God matter to you"? "Does he"? Jesus, help me, I'm confused.
It's about eroticism- this is actually very mainsteam imaging and the words are irrelevant.. it's comparable to Christian Rock, and I agree, very frightening
I am having a difficult time deciding what the hell they are saying. Are they saying if one doesn't believe in god this non-believer will shoot people. As of late, the trend seems to be the other way around.
Just open the Bible
There is no moral continuum in the Bible. The more you read the more
"God's" ethics are situational and random. In the first book,
Genesis, he destroys 99.9999999999% of all living things!!!
Here is my favorite example of God commanding the Israelites to ethnically cleanse.
But to get really evil you need the New Testament, because however
vicious the Old Testament God is, he still hasn't threaten his
children with "Hell".
And finally the unforgivable sin!
Using this moral code, Hitler who was raised Catholic, would stand a better chance of reaching heaven than Ann Franke, one of his innocent victims.
So the Bible is not a moral guide, it is a collection of misogynistic
folklore which is designed to control the behavior of the citizens of
post Roman governments. It is a slave religion, made for slaves by
their masters.
I also love the story where the Hebrews march around a town blowing trumpets and their god kills the inhabitants because their god gave the land to the Hebrews. Lovely, stealing their land and the Hebrews are the good guys in this story.
"Morality spawned out of religion and no where else."
That's their message in a nutshell.
Do yourself a favor and don't try to figure it out. These people are freakin' nuts. All we can do is be aware of the insanity.
then he doesn't believe your life is worth anything either and he may as well shoot you. And also that if there's no God, there's no hell either, so he won't have to worry about being punished.
It's saying people need to have a belief in God so they will be constrained from killing their fellow humans.
Sick, isn't it? We "nonbelievers" know it just makes good sense generally not to kill randomly, while believers need the threat of Big Daddy God to keep them in line.
“Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls…keep alive for yourselves”
Numbers 31:17-19
Yup, that Old Testament sure is a guide to peacefully living with your neighbors...
Raid a village - kill all the men and boys - keep all the women and girls and impregnate every one of them by raping them.
God would be proud. In fact - he commanded it.
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I wear this link out!!!
Pure projection. They have no inherent empathy. They are as they portrait the boy in the billboard. They propose that without belief in a deity that people are without moral conscience. Maybe these persons are without moral compass, but the rest of us are not.
Organized religions will tell you that the origin of moral conscience is organized religion. That's simply not true.
Yes. Even from an early age, we have found fundies to be overly aggressive.
God says "spread the word" -- and by god - they're gonna do it!
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I can see why they have a problem with evolution, they have become stuck along the way and can't evolve into rational human beings. I guess it's a bummer for them.
I wonder if anyone has ever tried that excuse? I shot those people because I don't believe in god.
then the jury will go easy on you. If you claim the devil told you to, you'll be on death row. Some free advice.
If all you've got when someone points a gun at you is God, YOU ARE f*ked. He loves killing people: 300,000 dead in 2 hours, in the Pacific Tsunami.
The facts!
And not christian, they obviously had it coming to them.
They are saying here that if you don't believe in God, it must then stand to reason that you also have no respect for human life.
Right. Because the INQUISITION was so utterly respectful of human life.
Common Texass , just get it over with and secede , please ? And feel free to take what's left of the Red states with you .
Dear god, please protect me from those who believe in you.
Amen.
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has been a cancer on humanity throughout history.
Rivers of blood. All in the name of "god"
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Ding ding ding! Todays blue ribbon winner.
Come on up and get your free King James version of the bible.
would have spewed if it had been an atheist group the ones behind the ad.
Taken from their website, here's insight into how they think the Science/Creation debate should be framed (emphasis mine):
"If one agrees to a discussion without using the Bible as some people insist, then they have set the terms of the debate. In essence these terms are:
‘Facts’ are neutral. However, there are no such things as ‘brute facts’; all facts are interpreted. Once the Bible is eliminated in the argument, then the Christians’ presuppositions are gone, leaving them unable to effectively give an alternate interpretation of the facts. Their opponents then have the upper hand as they still have their presuppositions — see Naturalism, logic and reality."
Yup... never allow logic and reality to enter into a debate on the validity of Creationism..!!
I'm not too surprised. Organized Christianity will get ever more desperate as time moves forward (as well as Judaism and Islam).Way to go Christians!
They REALLY need a new name to call themselves. "Christian" just doesn't do it.
How about "Christ's Mafia"?
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Those who are a clear and present danger to all who want to live in a peaceful and just society.
That's kind of a long name, but, we'll try to fit it on a bumper sticker
Those who have fought against every attempt and scientific
and social progress.
Then I got to be 13 years old. Later in life, I took an interest in actually reading the bible. It has it's own built-in proof of its utter nonsense. Repeated claims that faith will heal illness, with and sometimes without annointing oil. Doesn't work, or else Christians wouldn't have doctors or need of any healthcare outside their churches. Latest fraud, President Obama, who claims he believes all that bullshit and yet...
Then there is the little problem of history. Jesus, according to the bible, died and in addition to total darkness, and earthquakes, the graveyards opened up and the saints came back from the dead and walked back into the city. For some strange reason, the Jews and Romans didn't notice. Never bothered them that corpses were becoming reanimated and causing all sorts of legal problems with their married former wives and attempting to reclaim their former properties. One would think it would warrant some mention, but ...
Those godless atheist are doing the same thing. Help FFRF Educate with Bus Signs & Billboards![ http://ffrf.org/busbillboard/allimg.php ]
I notice a slight difference. :-/
What would have happened if these people were killed?
Here's a look at 50 of the most prominent atheists of all time
[ http://brainz.org/50-most-brilliant-atheists-... ]
between the ffrf bus banners and the "answers in genesis" billboard:
the lack of a violent message.
Thank you for highlighting that and your opinion as well. :-)
Amended: I'm sorry... upon reflection, I've come to review my reply and have decided it appears a little snippy too me... Thant was not my intent. I just wanted to make that clear... and additionally thank you for your time. ♥
is promoted heavily on "Wretched" hosted by the ultimate snake oil salesman, Todd Friel. He's the front man for Kirk Cameron and Gary Comfort, two nutcases who try to prove that god exists because there's windshield wipers on cars. Or something like that. Dangerous idiots.
And bananas, don't forget bananas, shaped to fit your hand, they point towards your mouth, therefore, god.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4
goes, "Politics is show business for ugly people." I would add that religion is show business for sexually confused people.
I still have to say that anyone who considers Kirk Cameron dangerous is either really paranoid or needs to get out more.
"billions of years old" Earth. I don't think anyone is claiming it is only millions of years old.
Oh yeah, and "earth" should be capitalized.
when they are counting in thousands.
What they are saying is that without the threat of eternal hell, you and me would shoot each other up. Pure projection. We have intrinsic moral conscience and they do not understand this.
Many of them have intrinsic moral conscience too, but their religion has not let them know it.
"Many of them have intrinsic moral conscience too, but their religion has not let them know it."
Ding ding ding. Absolutely.
but then again, it is texas, so i suppose a little kid holding a gun is a more familiar sight
They should be pretty familiar with the image of Cheney with a gun down in Texas. Wasn't it Texas where Cheney had his hunting accident?
Cheney only shoots the elderly and crippled, flightless birds. If I turned & ran, I doubt the fake sportsman could hit me.
And a British rock band.
These people are stone-cold crazy. The most ethical, peaceful, kind and compassionate person I know is a proud atheist.
Dog damn them.
Oh, and somebody should tell them that the universe is billions of years old. Really!
Do unto others before they do unto you.
To answer the question
"If god doesn't matter to him, do you?"
The answer is "probably more so, since he knows life is about the living and being alive".
This boy is not more concerned about a hypothetical afterlife than about life itself. Organized religion is more concerned about an after life than with life.
Living your life based on what is supposed to happen after your dead? How ridiculus is that?
...a very dangerous kind of stupid.
Check its website.
And usually they have a very legitimate complaint. What bothers me is the inexcusable way they lump us all together like we are somehow more responsible for the behavior of our wingers than are people in say California or New England. Face it, wingers are everywhere and regional bigotry is still bigotry.
Fundamentalists are everywhere. No state holds the monopoly of hateful people.
Personally, I would very much prefer that all assholes be concentrated in one area. So much easier on the rest of us.
Click the link. The picture contains the caption "Somewhere in Texas." There is a link to the organization which places its home in Kentucky, and a link to an article about them written two years ago which contains a picture similar to the one in the supposed billboard located "somewhere" in Texas. I think C&L got hoaxed.
Yes - of course they are. Texas has more good people than bad, I'm sure - despite any political affiliation.
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But I know that what you say is true, Margaret ("wingers are everywhere and regional bigotry is still bigotry").. the only thing which has separated many blue states from red ones is a few voters.. Regional bigots were recently out in force to condemn Kansas too though very few states even have clinics which will do late term abortions (with appropriate regulations) while somehow the people of Kansas did have a clinic thanks to courageous politicians and determined citizens. California certainly has its share of reich wingers.. and Salt Lake City with its frighteningly pastel Mormon oligarchy still has some very edgey elements.. My home bioregion, the Boonslick, voted nearly uanimously to deny me the constitutional right to marry, but not everyone, and this same electorate had also voted for Roosevelt- people and regions can change.. The people of a backward thinking area who are working for prgress need our support.. their activitism is more important than, in some ways, the activism in some solidly blue state.
I think we need a correct analysis of our situation in order to transcend- and as easy as it is for me to go into knee-jerk Texass bashing mode, that would simply be exacerbating the problem.
they had the billboard put up in texas.
Whose?
The name of the company on the billboard is Keller.
There was a billboard operator in Texas called Duke-Keller a while back. They now make signs in Boerne, Texas. The religious organization is from Kentucky and headed by an ex-pat Aussie.
I don't kill people because it is wrong. I have no right to take someone's life, nor do I want to, not even in war. I don't need god to tell me. I feel it in my heart. I am human. You are human. You are my brothers/sisters.
Evolution trumps creationism in Texas
"CHRISTIAN fundies in Texas are fuming over a defeat they suffered on Friday following their attempt to promote creationism in schools."
[ http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/03/29/evolution... ]
as head of the Texas board of education. The vote was closer than I like but at least it failed.
... and your time. ♥
Texas-- please leave.
Because there are fundies in Texas, the rest of us should just leave the union along with them. That's very tolerant of you.
Because the group behind the ad campaign is from Kentucky.
And where are you from, Edwin?
Asia/Canada.
Whatever. I'm just throwing it out there. All the nutjobs seem to come from there. Just like you remove a tumor...
Peace, chill, don't take it personally.
which created the video the purported and probably non-existent billboard is based, is a native of Australia who emigrated to California as an adult. Hisw name is Ken Ham.
F##k Kentucky too.
I don't like your country anymore, so please excuse me.
If you have any reasons why I should, please pass them along. I can't see any.
No apologies forthcoming. Just take a look. Torture, corruption, illegal invasions, Empire. I'm supposed to adore something?????
It would be nice if people would learn the truth about it before saying things that can be unfortunately misinterpretted. Personally, I love Canada but hate Vancouver.
It doesn't matter to me one bit what anyone thinks of Canada. It's a block of real estate I happened to get born on. Nothing more.
I'm against the idea of nationhood. Put a fence around some land, run up a rag on a stick (flag), and live under the pretense you are superior to the other rags. Know what I'm sayin'?
As far as I'm concerned, anyone worshipping the rag is as guilty as the rest. Nothing personal about it. Same goes for states and provinces.
Nationhood is very 19th century and not tenable in this day and age. It's the leading cause of war and corruption. Nations should be abolished. They're just plain stupid.
PS What truths am I missing? There are some good people in Texas? There are good people everywhere.
the decent people who live here. If you think that all of the people in any place are great people, I would suggest to you that the place where you found them is likely very small.
I know and love people on 5 different continents, but it has nothing to do with where they came from.
Atheists have been murdered by "good christians".
My son was assaulted by a mob of "good" christian children -- (not physically) both when he was in both 4th, and 7th grades. First because they found out he believed in evolution, and then again because they knew he was an atheist. It was just terrible and WAY over the top - he was driven from the room in tears. Fully 2/3rds of the class were involved.
When we talked to the school about it we threatened legal intervention in the form of a restraining order against the two primary instigators - one boy and one girl. This on the advice of a teacher friend who's job was teaching the "bad apples" in her school.
Threatening to get the law involved jolted the christian families involved,into compliance. The parents of the boy were genuinely shocked. They genuinely could NOT believe someone was actually threatening them with legal intervention.
I don't see ATHEISTS - like ourselves - as the threat.
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As an atheist in Texas, I can state first-hand that its the Christians that pull guns on the atheists.
You see the website for Answers in Genesis lists its home in Kentucky.
The link you provided to their views on evolution was an article written in 2007 which included the pricture of the boy. I know that is fairly recent in the 6,000 year history of the earth.
The have no events planned within 120 miles of my home in Texas, but the state is 800 miles wide.
Any answers in blogosphere.
I went to one of Ken Ham's AiG talks when I was in Christian school as an adolescent. I also remember listening to Ham's Answers...with Ken Ham radio show. Believe me, these guys are way out there: Christian fundamentalists, end timers, young earth, etc. Plus, they do this whole thing where they try to teach young adults that the Bible has the real hold on facts and truth while science is just the unsaved's way of trying to make sense out of God's world. Believe me, there is no debating these people. They routinely tell you that carbon dating is false, all science outside of their own research is wrong, and anything printed in a highly respected science journal is fallacious or a conspiracy against them.
I am not surprised they did this ad. Most fundamentalists believe the without religion there is no morality --morality is based on religion. I guess Hammurabi's code was a fluke then.
Texas?
Northern Virgina!
Along with Kentucky. We in Texas were already planning to go and have almost finished packing.
Now, that's not fair. There are hateful, Christian fundamentalists everywhere. We'd have to make every state leave, then. My solution: send these yahoos to a colony on the moon on a spaceship called the Mayflower. I kinda like Texas and Virginia is my home state filled with some great people, so I don't want them going.
I have always been an advocate to save the fundies from the giant space goat by placing them aboard the B ship and shooting them into space. And, as a sign of my goodwill, I say let the B ship go first, before the A ship even.
accent. He is an Aussie. Moved from there to California.
From there he went to Kentucky to open the Creationist version of Disneyland.
I'm staying right here and staying in the United States. You'll have to move the state out from under me. :)
Goodby.
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Really all you need to know is that these are the people responsible for the creation museum, nothing more needs to be said.
Religion is the curse of mankind
Seriously - just read history. It'll be the end of us yet I imagine.
Armageddon? Of course it's coming - they're bringing it.
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non-believers should be killed, because they are like Stephen Colbert's description of bears: "Godless killing machines."
Killing infidels is rather a strange way of showing God's love. They are very similar to some other fundamentalist beliefs found around the world.
You mean they're just like any other religious radicals? Agreed.
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"Your argument is invalid. I can stop bullets."
Good for a laugh...
Ha. Nice.
They attack us, kill us, call us names etc...yet we're the godless ones? Am I the only one who sees the irony in Christianity? Look at the history of the world. Who does all the killing and stoning? The Christians.
This headline makes no sense.
a) Just grammatically, "does he matter to you?" I don't know what they're getting at.
b) Are we to assume that more non-believers are killers? Because I could point to quite a few incidents (9/11) that would conflict with that point of view.
..is the sound of religious influence falling to absolute zero.
..is the sound of religious influence falling to absolute zero. Savagewinston
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...or perhaps at least the parts that are not about love, brotherhood, and inclusion .
What I fear is that violence is just what these groups want. They see the murderer as a Christian engaged in a holy war, someone who can do no wrong, and because killing snuffs out the love and life of those whom they disapprove of, they are more powerful than "the world" or the law. They are righteous... They should all be deprogrammed behind locked fences.
It's a call to arms.
"They (the nonbelievers, the infidels) are coming to get you. Get your guns and get ready to kill."
the only ones on the move to do violence to people who don't believe as they do are fundamentalist Christians. I haven't heard of a single fundamentalist Christian being attacked by anybody who has been driven to violence because of their opposition to fundamentalist religion.
Yeah, I'm sick of these atheists and their suicide bombings.
And their constant desire for the subservience of women.
And their fervent desire to wage wars.
When was the last time that a Christian was killed in the US based solely on his/her religious preference? Has it ever happened?
Christians like to pretend that somehow they are oppressed and are in danger. But, I've never been able to see it. I don't know, maybe I am just blind as a bat.
You're right. A lot of Christians behave as if they are under attack. This attitude of defensiveness appears to come straight from the text of the bible. The New Testament was written somewhere between 90 and 200 when most Christians were under attack as some new and strange sect.
I don't recall one killing solely based on the victim's belief in Christianity. I could be wrong though.
Black Christians. (But not because of their religion.)
Gay Christians. (Again, not because of their religion.)
Far Eastern Christians. (Because they looked like Muslims.)
Mediterranean Christians. (Because they looked like Jews.)
Italian Christians. (But based on being falsely accused of being anarchists, not because of their religion.)
White Christians. (Because they were in unions, not because they were Christians.)
Female Christians. (Because they were married to abusive Male Christians, or accused of being witches.)
Lots of Christians killing Christians, just for other reasons.
Oh, and Christians killing Jews for being Communist spies.
Defeating human survival mechanism for knowing what is going on, by encouraging child-like obedience over inquiry, is the real killer.
the evangelical church, but the revelation that I needed to become an electic and formally break from Christianity (although I still accept the good New Testament teachings) came to me in a dream, so yeah. I'm done with them.
On another note, I was watching the Science Channel, specifially a program on the concept of time, and there was a telescope of some sort that was able to capture images of space from earlier eras, and I was in awestruck reverence of God (or Spirit's) creation and how almost empty the heavens looked 13 billion years ago in comparison to now.
My old church was creationist, and would flatly condemn my feelings of reverence towards Earth and the heavens, but hey, too bad. ;)
13 billion years ago... there was pretty much the same amount of stuff in much less space... so the heavens would have looked much, much, much, much "crowded" back then.
I percieved it as seeming to be more emptier then, and like I said, I was awestruck regardless.
I would do well however to spend more time reading about astronomy! :)
... you don't need a fairly tale to explain it and thus ruin its beauty.
That is why I never cared about Religion, they attempt to explain matters which they don't understand and have little intention in actually understanding. That is a recipe for disaster IMHO.
When you understand the vastness and magnitude of our universe, it really puts all the nonsense of a deity so concerned about what you just did in an insignificant corner, in a mediocre planet, in the middle of nowhere....in its real context.
truly "informed" me in this area, I've always preferred to accept science.
But yes, even as someone without real education in physics and such, learning about these things does bring a bit of feeling of insignificance.
of more value than any one individual.
So you are in good company of the most important beings in existence.
Hear, hear. Why ruin the wonder of the universe with fables and nonsense? I think it was Carl Sagan who said that "the universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it's stranger than we CAN imagine". I may have the speaker wrong but the point is valid. The wildest fantasy of what the universe is can't touch the truth.
Well, plasma cosmologists have figured it out. Without any magic fairy dust, I mean, Dark Matter, or anything.
It's looking about 13 Billion light years away so it is also showing these galaxies as they were 13 billion years ago. Notice that they are smaller and less well formed than older, more mature galaxies and note that as mentioned by Tyler, they are denser than they are today.
I think America is getting denser too.
;)
I think of him as a black hole anyway.
Hence the dense gas and dark matter.
his!
starting to form, compared to the others.
And more wondrous by far than any superstition can offer. The beauty is that you don't have to shed religion to believe in science if you don't want to.
from now on. :)
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