Final Debate: McCain Mocks Women's Health In Abortion Issue
By Nicole Belle Wednesday Oct 15, 2008 7:32pmClearly, in all his debate prep, no one thought to coach McCain not to go to the third rail of the abortion issue. Boy, was that an oversight. Because not only did McCain go there, he jumped right on to it.
In trying to paint Obama as being for the great Republican bugaboo of late term abortions (because, you know, there are so many women running around and deciding after being pregnant for six or more months that being pregnant is no longer convenient for them), Obama replied that he didn't vote for the late term abortion ban because it had no provision for the health or life of the mother. And that's when McCain proved how heartless and clueless he is:
Again…just again, an example of the eloquence of Senator Obama, health (indicates air quotes) of the mother. You know that’s been stretched by the pro-abortion movement to mean almost anything.
Really? Not a legitimate concern? Tell that to these women.
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Debate III: Joe the Plumber Butts In
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=4019
Who cares what that bald headed dumb fuck thinks! The guy (if he is for real) is so cluelessly freaking stupid, he hasn't figured out yet that its republicans like McCain who have been pumping his poop shoot for the last eight years.
Anobody who is still a republican or undecided after the last eight years, should have an "I'm a fucking moron" tattoo put on their forehead. Honest to god, how can 40% of the people in this country be this fucking dumb?
well said.
Whenever I see a McCain bumper sticker I make it a point to study the driver's face... I'm hoping this study will help me assess the intelligence of people based on their looks.
Jan 20, 2009... The end of an error!
lol...I do the same thing except i try to give them a good scowl.
Only with some I can only help to give them a look of pity. The other day, at the grocery store parking lot, I saw an old lady get out of her car with one of those stickers on it and as she walked by my car...I made it a point to lock my doors as she passed.
sweet revenge in our own little ways.
Years of practice.
Your comment shows just how much lack of intelligence there is in your head. First of all, the polls are skewed and not accurate, polls never are correct, remember Al Gore? He was leading in polls and still lost.
Polls are not scientific in nature and are never correct.
I myself am an independent, on that note, putting a tattoo on people, really? Sounds extreme to me. I believe it is more of 50, 50, not 60, 40 as you would like to say. You mention people being dumb, but do not give specifics, please do.
On a side note,these are facts! I AM NO BUSH FAN, but these are facts.
George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.
A little over one year ago :
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000
5) American's were buying new cars,taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!...
But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST YEAR:
1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~
$2 .5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS.
YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT! ....
REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES , ONLY CONGRESS.
AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!
JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND?
I love posters who talk about how they are independents and then cut & paste (without attribution) a rightwing talking point memo. When an "independent" writes in caps "I AM NO BUSH FAN" and then posts a yay-Bush mass talking points memo, then one can safely call that person a troll.
See links for the sites where John's rant has been been making the rounds.
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/s...
http://search.earthlink.net/search?q=American...
But they are factual points nonetheless.
Thanks,
Factual? Hardly. The first half of the rant talks about how great consumer confidence, gas prices, etc. were over Bush's presidency, then the second half says how terrible things became after the Democrats gained a (razor thin) majority in 2006.
If the line from your rant...
"REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES , ONLY CONGRESS."
...is true, then Bush should get no credit for all the swell things that your Cut & Paste argument says occurred in #1-5. Of course it is patently absurd to say that the president has "NO CONTROL" over things like consumer confidence, gas prices, the DOW Jones and Americans "living large," but that "ONLY CONGRESS" has control over such things.
I'm glad you at least tacitly admitted that your pose as an independent was false.
During the first "fine" six years of the Bush presidency,
we were spending BILLIONS on two illegal, stupid wars, that George and his neo-con bud LIED us into, which represent a large portion of the gigantic increase in the deficit - almost $10 trillion by the time Georgie gets done.
You should probably find another place to spew.....
You also forget that the dems don't have a true majority in the senate because Joe Lieberman is a Republican by action if not title. The dems had to struggle to increase the minimum wage, but they did it, and they passed the new GI bill with bipartisan support, but most of their best legislation has been vetoed by Bush and the Republicans stand with Bush more often than not, even denying children health care through S CHIP. So much for the republican culture of life, once you're born, screw you.
Hey Mr. Intelligent: You don't sound like an independent. So you are still one of those 20+ % think things are going great and blame everything on the congress. Do you know that in the senate, dems have only a slim majority, the dimwit president and those shameless republicans still control the power.
John, Extremely well-said! I shudder to think of Obama and the Mrs. languishing in the crisp White House sheets tonight while who knows how many babies who were born alive after an abortion have lied alone in a soiled utility room to die because Obama voted no four times (and then lied about it) against giving even comfort care to the infants. (See BornAliveTruth.org).
Those include the self claimed hockey moms, soccer moms...Do they all share the same with Saraccuda, a dysfunctional family with a dude husband with no real job, an unwed teenager pregnant daughter, a high school drop out future son-in-law. If that is a real Christian family, I don't want to be part of it. I don't want to sound heartless. She should go back to Alakska and take good care of their down-syndrome son.
Well, at least someone is taking care of the down-syndrome babies - not Obama, that's for sure! http://bornalivetruth.org/obamarecord.aspx
Someone really needs to tell him that his darling Planned Parenthood Asso. is actually in the same league as the Ku Klux Klan: Founded by Democrats who were racist and wanted to eliminate blacks (see keywords Ku Klux Klan, Planned Parenthood, race control, etc.). In fact, since Planned Parenthood began, 12 million black babies have been systematically murdered by abortion.
I ask myself that several times a day. Maybe its proof for parallel universes.
Who cares what that clueless bald headed dumbass thinks. He's so fucking stupid (if he is for real), that he hasn't even figured out yet that its the republicans like McCain, who have been pumping his poop shoot for the last eight years.
Anybody who is still voting republican or undecided after the Bush disaster, should have their forehead tattooed with "I'm a fucking moron!"
Honestly, how can 40% of the American people be this fucking stupid?
No 'bortions 'cept in cases where the health of the plumber is at stake?
What the hell does that mean? What? Speak up?
JOE/MARIO '08, PLUMBING THE DEPTHS OF POLITICAL METAPHOR!
mccain's abortion comments will hurt him.
Yeah, that was a careless slip-up.
Being against abortion plays well with Republicans.
Being against women, well, that doesn't really play well with anybody.
Too bad you people take things out of context to serve your purposes, although McCain could have been a little more tactful. However, he was probably just feeling more compassion for the most innocenct and the most defensesless - the unborn babies.
By the way, did you ever notice that most anti-war folks are pro-abortion? Do you think that is hypocritical and greedy?
I agree
I couldn't believe he said it. Just saying "pro-abortion" paints him as a right wing dupe. When he slammed using the health of the mother, he lost the election.
Presidential Debate Polls:
CNN http://www.cnn.com
CBS http://www.cbsnews.com/
MSNBC http://www.polls.newsvine.com/_question/2008/...
Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-daily-...
NBC4 http://www.nbc4.com/index.html (Beneath the debate photo)
AOL http://news.aol.com/
Time.com http://www.time.com/time/ (right column, below fold)
Q13 Fox Seattle http://www.q13fox.com/pages/main
Cincinnati.com http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081015/N...
NYDailyNews.com http://www.nydailynews.com/index.html
ABC local http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/feature?section=n...
Newsday.com http://www.newsday.com/
Star-Telegram http://www.star-telegram.com/elections/story/...
WFTV.com http://www.wftv.com/surveyresults/17725715/in...
AJC http://www.ajc.com/ (beneath main photo)
Kare11 http://www.kare11.com/ (middle column, a little down the page)
York Daily Record http://ydr.inyork.com/
Local 10.com http://www.local10.com/news/index.html (beneath the main photo)
Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/ (right column, below the fold)
Rocky Mountain News http://www.rockymountainnews.com/polls/2008/o...
Drudgereport http://www.drudgereport.com/
THANK YOU! For some reason I have such a hard time finding these damned things!
I am off to do my duty, Cap'n!
Done!
I went to all of these sites and voted. The only two that had Mcsame winning was AOL and Drudge-sludge and I'm sure they pad the outcome. AOL people are mostly really morons.
and you are right. If you are using AOL and paying for it, you are by nature, pretty stupid! It shows in the results.
I loved the Time poll personally. They have the interactive map where you can mouse over each state and see how people in each state voted in the poll. Then, I noticed West Virginia was grayed out and wondered why. Imagine my titilation when I realized the ENTIRE map (except W. VA) because every state (except W. VA) believed Obama handed McCain his ass.
er, insert "was gray" after the "ENTIRE map (except W. VA)".
Yeah - the map was cool.
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Compiling that list must have been a lot of work. I voted in every one (except the York Daily Record-'couldn't find the survey). 'so nice to see Obama ahead by FAR in all but Drudge's. Thanks again.
no abortions...EVER...and after your wife dies in childbirth...we are not going to provide healthcare for the baby...oh...and all you widewers are going to have to suck it up and work three jobs so that you can afford to put your baby in daycare so you can continue to go to work...and consume...cause if you don't...the TERRORISTS WIN!!!
No, no, that's that women's "health." Women's "health."
Why it's been stretched so far they want us to keep them alive, for crying out loud. They shoulda thoughta that before they had "the sex."
That was the game ender, right there. He was at his most despicable and offensive. That answer told me right there that he truly hated women.
What was worse, is that during the education question he huffingly said to Obama, "Your wife" while he mentioned Cindy McCain's name. That was another game ender for me.
Both instances of his contempt and condescension.
especially if they are "officers."
When they have functions in the military they have the gall to state in their invitations, "Officers and their Ladies, Enlisted and their wives!"
But remember, the military is a microcosm of the U.S. class system!
But I think that even with his record in the military, it could not explain away the way he treats Mr. Obama and his wife. Even if he considered the Obamas the enemy, he should have a little decorum. His body language gave him away there.
He was telling the camera that Mr. Obama was no better than a shoe-shine boy to him. And he felt upset to even share a table with the man. He especially appeared that way when Mr. Obama gave his answers (especially when McCain shot back with the quick barbs). He was about to blow when Obama replied. That was magnified a mile away.
I am very understanding about the military angle, though. Thank you for giving me that insight. :)
You want to know about the military angle? It is real simple, McCain is the typical elitist officer. He is better (in his mind) than all the real work horses in the military, the enlisted. And now as a civilian, he is treating all of us like enlisted troops.
Only a former officer would vote against raising the GI Bill benefits year after year. You also need to take in consideration who his father and grandfather were, talk about special treatment.
While you are at it, just take a look at his military career, it is an embarrassment. He shouldn't have even been in a plane the day he went down in Nam. Look it up, the info is all out there.
And before any officers jump on me, yes, a few of you are ok. For example, Jim Webb seems pretty damn good in my book. However, most officers are elitist scum bags. Just ask any former enlisted grunt. You will NEVER find one who respected more than a couple officers, depending on how long they served.
Matthews: 'You cannot belittle Roe V. Wade'
Oct. 15: Chris Matthews reacts to one of the exchanges of the debate involving abortion rights, and how Sen. McCain may have lost some women votes because of that moment.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27207...
but, I am very glad that he brought that point out. It disgusted me that he would say such a thing. On the whole, I am still quite flabbergasted that McCain would treat a woman's life in such a callous manner.
Thank you for the link, btw. It was nice to hear someone vocalize what not only myself was thinking, but a lot of folks.
Usually, it always swings to the sycophants like Mrs. Greenspan and David Gregory.
If you're so concerned with women's health, what about the health of the little woman who just got slaughtered in her mother's womb. If we don't have the right to life, no other's rights matter. Who is next on the list to lose their right to life? Maybe we should consult Hitler... or Hussein. Oh I guess we have. According to Barack Hussein Obama, they don't even have to be in their mother's womb to kill them. If an abortion attempt fails and the baby is born, we still have the right to kill it. What happens to the health of that (already born) woman?
We're slipping and electing this mentality to head the US is only the beginning.
Why the hell you think they are destroying the job market.
So Ward Cleaver can make a comeback
Isn't it despicable that Barack Obama makes a generous, principled statement that "nobody is pro-abortion", and McCain, not a minute later, derisively (and Kool-aid-y) just uses the epithet "pro-abortion". It just shows that McCain's strategy is to throw the talking points out there, just like Bushies do, in violation of every principle of decency, honesty or honor.
because he thinks he is smarter than a Harvard educated and people oriented lawyer. Typical dipshit mentality!
Oh really, and abortion is decent and honorable? Someone really needs to tell him that his darling Planned Parenthood group is actually in the same league as the Ku Klux Klan: Founded by Democrats who were racist and wanted to eliminate blacks (see keywords Ku Klux Klan, Planned Parenthood, race control, etc.). In fact, since Planned Parenthood began, 12 million black babies have been systematically murdered by abortion.
Disgusting MKKKainism. I can't even tell anymore, is this the "real" McCain, or was he trying to score points with Sarah and her in-crowd of wolf killers?
Why does McCain keep running for his base instead of undecideds?
I think the key was the part where McCain warned that ACORN is a threat to the very fabric of America. Look for MUCH litigation after he loses.
Based on his constant pointless rallying of his base and attacks on ACORN I think the RNC plans to de-legitimize the Obama presidency as much as they can after the election.
I figure one can seperate the nut Christians from the normal ones by finding out if they object to abortion even if the mother will die without an abortion.
As a woman, McCain infuriates me. Here are my thoughts for anyone who's interested:
http://pixels2picture.typepad.com/
I'm watching Rachel discuss government forced birthing.
Letterman and Paul are baiting McCain to bring Palin with him on the show. I hope to God Letterman doesn't give that cranky liar and his snake in the grass with lipstick any legs up.
McCain is the one that's hurt and angry! Very ANGRY!!
What an effin' idiot this loser McSame is... he's so arrogant and ignorant all at the same time! Has he ever had an abortion?! No he hasn't so STFU!! He's got fuckall to say about it.
After all, McSame didn't exactly care about his crippled wife, so why is anyone surprised?
exactly!
John McCain: Putting Fetus First.
"Really? Not a legitimate concern? Tell that to these women."
Well, the woman survied late term abortions but don't let them get near Sarah Palin, she'll shoot em from a helicopter.
Get that fetus off my lawn and on the battlefield for big oil!
Policies that only a wingnut could love.
I never thought that much of McCain, but I liked him more than I like most Republicans until this presidential campaign. His ridiculing of women's health as a consideration for abortion rights, or the lack thereof, was unbelievably appalling. At first, I thought I'd misheard his comment during the debate. Didn't he realize that his goal wasn't to stroke his base, but to demonstrate to undecided voters that he's not an angry old right-wing extremist? Apparently not.
He says eloquence like it's a bad thing.
Shows his contempt for intelligence. He didn't used to do that. He was playing to the base--hatred of the "egghead."
I already railed against NPR's analysis, but one thing they said was that if McCain had debated and run away from bush six months ago like he did tonight, he'd be headed toward a landslide.
I couldn't help thinking, no, he just wouldn't be the nominee. Romney would.
I noticed that as well...
I originally listened to the debate on the radio. McCain actually did the cutsey little air quotes when he said "the health of the mother"? Please explain, McCain, why you think so little of that concept.
If I had any sympathy or respect for John McCain, it completely dissipated with this smart ass pandering remark about "the life of the mother". A reverence for life means all life, not just the life of an unborn fetus.
Unfortunately, with the birth of my first child, my spouse was in the lose-lose situation of having to "choose" my life over my child's life. This is, even in this day of modern medicine, the situation that people are faced with, on occasion. I cannot believe there is no regard, respect or reverence of the life of a mother while in labor or even months before. I cannot believe this is an issue that is even publicly debated. It is a very painful and private issue that should remain such.
I'm really angered by John McCain tonight. He's really shunned his former self for the new and definitely not improved John McCain. May God bless have mercy on your soul.
Most resonating line:
McCain: "my feelings are hurt by accusations of racism"
Obama: "The American people care about issues not our feelings"
Barry takes it to the hoop!
SO, will Sarah finally after this last losing debate for McDumbass tell the world tomorrow she has to leave the campaign to "handle personal matters at home?
Thank you for reminding about that line. Classic. Obama understand the American people.,
that McSame won many undecided votes tonight but he sure as sh!t advanced the level of divisiveness in this country.
I loved the smirk on McCain's face when he crapped on the right of women to safeguard their own life and heath, then he turn right around and talked about compassion. Puuuleeez!!! I've had it up to my neck in Republican "compassion". They're the ones shouting "Kill him!" and "Bomb Obama!" Don't you dare touch a fetus, but let's kill grown men and women! Pro-life my a**!
Also, did anyone catch McCain's touching promise to fund autism research because of Sarah Palin's child. Except that Palin's child has Down's Syndrome...
He shouldn't be mocking the decisions that a woman should be allowed to make about her own health --- pregnant or not.
Note the agitated body language *Obama* has during this exchange. I think that's the first time in all the debates I really saw him get worked up over one of McCain's answers, and rightly so.
I have always thought McCain was a tool. Keating 5 should have been the end of his political career. What I saw tonight was almost sub-human. McCain is worse than dubya, and I didn't think that was possible. Chalk it up to temper, senility, PTSD or whatever. What he said tonight was disgusting.
I couldn't believe my eyes when McCain put the scare quotes around "health." I mean, Christ almighty, man, could you show your contempt for a woman's right to protect her body, self, and family any more than that?
As soon as I heard him say "health" in that way (and even over the radio, I could hear the quotes—I didn't need a visual aid there), I snapped the radio off. Evil bastard.
On the other hand, kudos to you, Sen. Obama, for saying, "Nobody is 'pro-abortion.'" Thank you for saying what needed to be said.
Although, I dunno about the rest of you, but since I and all those like me are "pro-abortion," I think I'm going to go berate some pregnant women now, and try to get them to abort their fetuses. 'Cause that's what we pro-abortion folks do, dontcha know!
what happens when a man sells whatever soul he has left to gaining more power. the correct response IS THIS 'I believe in Roe vs Wade as it is the law of the land. I also believe that abortions should be not easily attained and rare'. Bill Clinton
You know it ain't good for McCain when it's 4 for 4 for Obama after the debates at FOX's focus group
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrnmYe-xJio
If Obama needs any help with those White House curtains he can let me know, I do a mean sash!
Are those still in?
many shades of Blue would be swell.
Good thinkin'!
I dunno, maybe it was just me, but I thought that was one creepy look he had going on, the couple times he used his fingers as quote marks. It reminded me of a rabid ferret trying to claw its way out of a pit toilet.
What was his point, putting quotes around "health" of the mother? Is that like, the so-called health of the mother? I'm not sure I understand what the air quotes meant.
You know what he meant. Those libril girls who fuck with potheads and need abortions two weeks later. you know....'Those girls'. But then IF they keep those babies,'they' go on welfare. You know 'nudge wink'.
Talkin' about them Alaskan gals,eh?
"McCain Mocks Women's Health In Abortion Issue"
"And that's when McCain proved how heartless and clueless he is:"
I don't think you can claim he was actually mocking anything. Or that he was heartless. I think he's clueless, and I bet you do, too, but that's the worst we can satisfactorily get from that comment.
It's a legitimate conservative point of view that some laws are being stretched where they shouldn't go, as is the liberal point on many other laws.
Attack his lies and delusions with truth and common sense.
Don't take him out of context, please.
If they were truly conservative, they wouldn't want to have such a big, obtrusive government involved in every detail of eveyone's life - including their sex live and their family planning decisions.
And, if they weren't so friggin' backward they would understand that teaching sex education and promoting birth control would preclude
the necessity of a lot of the abortions that take place.
If Bristol Palin had known about and practiced birth control, we wouldn't be having another teenager giving birth and a shotgun wedding that will 'casue considerable strain on both those young people.
Since conservatives think that government is bad and ineffectual... why on earth would they trust government to be involved with my "health" care decisions or be any good at all in keeping us "safe" from the terrorists????
I disagree. When you roll your eyes and add air quotes you are clearly belittling.
Or his cluelessness can be intentional and make him heartless. Obama was talking about the health of the mother being important. He used the word health in the most common way. McCain brushed that aside as a cover for women just using any excuse to have their late-term abortion.
If he was taking it seriously I think his answer would have reflected that. He would have said, "I agree with Sen. Obama that the health of the mother should be protected. But I'm concerned that that legitimate concern is used when it isn't appropriate sometimes. I want to address that too." Or whatever. He wouldn't respond to "I don't support late-term abortion legislation that doesn't have exceptions for the health of the mother" by saying Oh yeah, the "health" of the mother. That means the mother's inconvenienced.
McSame to Joe the Plumber's wife:
You may not have the constitutional rights you now have under a McSame presidency.
And he will nominate a judge that feels the way that he does about abortion, etc..
Also, nice air quotes around "health of the mother". Classy.
Loud and clear, McSame.
I'd like to think that would clear it up for the undecided ladies (at the least) out there.
Other than that, I'd say that McSame again failed to try and find a way to dig out from under the current poll numbers.
At this point, idiot Palin is not even part of the equation.
She's just a fly buzzing around. Everyone knows she's a moron, which is why Obama rightly just brushed off the question about her and the very unlikely chance she becomes VP/Prez.
Then again, he just pals around with terrorists and Palin is a "real american" so what does he know..
is how unintelligent McCain truly is. He is still of the ilk who believe (in their entitlement) that they can throw anything out there and it will be taken as gospel.
My opinion is that:
a) Unless they are medical professionals, men do not have any business
having an opinion about when or if any woman has an abortion.
b) If all these men are so friggin' concerned about the necessity of
abortions - how about if they all ABSTAIN from SEX?! That'll
cut back on the number necessary.
c) I do not want the US government involved any more than it already
is in deciding whether any woman HAS TO Carry any Pregnancy to Term. Rachel Maddow addressed this point very well after the debate.
The reich-wingers use their "holier than thou" concern for the "Health of the Woman" as another condescending mantra, revealing their utter disdain for the female gender. Despicable.
call themselves "conservative" when their positions are so intrusive?
own question,blue.
Abortion highlights candidates' contrast
Oct. 15: MSNBC's Rachel Maddow discusses and Pat Buchanan whines how each candidate handled the topic of abortion during the presidential debate and how Americans of different perspectives will hear the answers differently.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27208...
Since McCain thinks the term "health" when applied to women could mean anything, he has decided it means nothing.
How nice for him.
It is revolting when men give lectures on what women should or should not do with their bodies. When men can have babies come out of their bodies then they have a valued opinion. Since that is not going to happen in my lifetime--stay out of my womb McCain. As Obama says no one wants to have an abortion but it is between a pregnant woman and the people around her IF she chooses for them to know or IF she has an abortion. He is correct and as usual McCain is wrong.
Husbands are more than sperm donators thank you.
now go and vote for McCain pea brain.
But no husband has the right to tell his wife to have a baby or have an abortion. He'll have to get over it. Sorry, that is how life is. McCain is an asshole of the highest order.
Absolutely correct - husbands are generally far more than sperm donors.
Last time I checked, however, McCain has ONE wife, so if he would like to be involved in Cindy's decision whether or not to have a child, that would be quite admirable.
However, I see NO reason that he needs to be involved in any discussion between myself and MY partner about whether we will have a child.
And, I wonder how many women considering abortions don't have "husbands" in the picture at all. How many of these non-husbands worried about being equally responsible for protection? Or how many husbands for that matter. Or did you really mean "fathers"?
On McCain's remark, it was insensitive at the least. More likely dismissive and demeaning. It seemed deliberate...he repeated it twice with his "quotes". Didn't bother to explain what he meant beyond the words he used. I know I don't want this man involved in any aspect of deciding who may someday be on the Supreme Court.
McCain's going to bear the burden of that remark about "stretching"...his very own personal "stretch (re)marks"
Pro-Abortion... pro-abortion???
Pro.
Abortion.
I see, pro-abortion is it... thank you senator McCain you truly are an ignoramus.
That's a convenient, totally false and baseless meme long disseminated by the extreme reich-wing anti-choice, anti-freedom hypocrites who've commandeered the GOP.
It's like saying somebody is pro-root canal. Or pro-colonoscopy. Or pro-heart bypass.
"Pro-choice" is a whole different matter.
McCain showed his true heartlessness tonight. This from a "pro-lifer" who bombed innocent Vietnamese into oblivion 40-plus years ago.
Stupid bastard. Enjoy your retirement, McGramps.
Republicans want men to contol all aspect of women's lives, and decide for them their reproductive rights. It's sickening- I think the choice of a dumb as a bag of hammers vp (Palin) was deliberate- McCain wouldn't want an intelligent woman as his vp, lest she show him up. Very sad.
Republicans slam gay marriage, suggesting the purpose of marriage is for a man and a woman to come together 'to produce children'.
Republicans oppse sex education. Republicans oppose birth control. Republicans oppose abortion.
It seems to me they *want* women to get pregnant, and want to deprive women of any and all choices regarding their reproductive lives-
Republicans seemed thrilled Sarah Palin's daughter got pregnant at such a young age. Doesn't it seem as if Republican men regard women as little more than breeding stock?
Yes, I heard McCain dismiss the health of the mother. What a disgusting, irate animal he is. I can't stand the looks of him.
Also, the father of the Palin baby has dropped out of high school according to news reports. What does that say about the value of education the Palin family?
It is not so curious to me that the Palins seem to be an example of a family whose children live what they learn and perpetuate their parent's history. We see this in every segment of our society; rich, poor, religious and not. What bothers me is not so much that this happens, because it does. It is that when an innocent child is born into a family where the father is in prison, the mother a drug addict, somehow that child is suppose to find a way out of the poverty, the crime ridden neighborhood they grow up in and miraculously find the American Dream, becoming the very perfect picture of a productive member of our society. Yes, that does happen. But, unfortunately, more often our children do live what they learn. When you are in certain "classes" or "groups" in our society the mistakes our children repeat are forgiven (that is not a bad thing), those children are supported, loved, and maybe even enabled, but they get through it with minimal consequences and are not harshly judged (again, not a bad thing). But if you are born into an unfortunate "class" or "group", our society is judgmental, unforgiving and want little or nothing to do with stopping the terrible cycle of poverty and ignorance. Yes, there are those out there whose lives are dedicated to helping the less fortunate, either through contributing their time, or giving a part of their "fortune" to help make a difference. It would be great if there were enough of those generous individuals to make a real difference, but too many of the fortunate spend their time making sure they keep what they have for themselves, taking advantage of others to greedily grow and spend their fortunes, while all the time rationalizing their superior status and ridiculing anyone who has not achieved what they have. It would be great if those who don't want government interference would work towards helping the less fortunate, would be willing to give a little of themselves or resources to make sure that our less fortunate children get the breaks they need, and perhaps even make sure that all human beings had the dignity of being taken care of when they are ill and dying...but not enough do. It will never be a perfect world. There will always be people who somehow pull themselves out of poverty, but if it were so easy to get beyond what we are exposed to in our formative years, then the rich, spoiled kids would all make a meaningful life for themselves, and the poor hungry and abused children would pull themselves out of their misery. Look at the odds. That is why we have liberals!!! They are certainly not perfect either, but at some level at least with most, their hearts are in the right place. They get frustrated and angry at the conservative's attitude; the conservatives get frustrated and angry at the liberals. Many go too far with that anger, striking out with name calling, half truths, lies, threats. Politics become very ugly and it is so unfortunate that we cannot find a way to find some common ground. It will get better when this election is over and done with and we all have to find a way to live with the results. Maybe the economic situation will cause Americans once again to come together like we have in the past during times of extremely serious situations. Having the elections on top of the economic strife is almost too much for us all to bear with any semblance of sanity.
You might want to find a better article to make your point -
she discovered her baby had Trisomy 13, a chromosomal abnormality that causes severe deformities and carries no hope of survival.
This is inaccurate, there is a small possibility that infants can survive with this disorder. While their lives are horrible, and I support abortions in these cases 100%, saying something like that is disingenuous. That kind of statement makes it look like people are lying to support late term abortions.
Thanks. [I only add this comment because I know what pro-life websites say, and giving them ammunition helps no one.]
I wish Obama had responded: Extreme on abortion? that's not me, that's Senator McCain, who supports a republican platform that would prohibit all abortions including when the life of the mother is at stake. That's right, if you're pregnant and your doctor finds that carrying the pregnancy to term will kill you, Senator McCain says you have to die. Now, that's extreme.
What do you expect from someone who obviously has such disdain for women (why else would you abandon your disfigured wife and then call trophy wife a c*&t infront of a gaggle of reporters)
btw, Wasn't McCain pro-choice at one point of his career?
Why does McCain's wife stand behind him at every event? Is she supposed to be a sex symbol or something?
McCain had to be pro-choice for most of his early, philandering life, 'cause I'm sure he didn't want all of those other "trollops" he f**cked during his youth to be giving birth to his babies!
He sounds like he's as good a doctor as Bill Frist. Maybe he can diagnose women via videotape to see whether they need an abortion or not.
One of the saddest things to witness is an anti-abortion woman who is told that she has a tubal pregnancy, and the embryo will cause health problems if it's not removed. That's the start of where reality meets rhetoric, and it's not pretty.
Did anyone else react negatively when McCain spoke about Sarah Palin, saying how "proud" he was of her?
To me, that clarified so much about his feelings toward women in general. I thought it was an incredibly patronizing and condescending jag.
If I were qualified to be VP, I'd want someone to talk about how he respects my abilities, how he values my perspective, how he seeks my advice and welcomes my disagreements.
I wouldn't want a daddy patting me on my back and saying, "I'm so proud of you, Pookie."
Thank you, yes. I couldn't believe it. I don't even think he realized it. It just shows how he really views her.
McCain is often, quite wrongly, looked upon as one of the few counterweights the Republicans have to their true believer wingnut radicals. It is true that he has gotten into scraps with the wingnut leadership, but I would attribute that to the fact that neither he nor the wingnut leaders suffer competition for the leadership gladly, and not to any reservations about the whole crazed wingnut program.
McCain's scorn for the "health of the mother" language shows just how incapable he is of getting even the minimal distance from the abortion question that a politician needs to frame issues to appeal to swing voters. He reacted to the exception as if, of course, his swing voter audience would agree with him that progressives only raise this issue because it's their best, if quite insincere, framing to help them gull the public into allowing the infanticide that is abortion, in their view. He is so completely lost in the wingnut worldview that it wouldn't even occur to him that anyone but a hopelessly partisan radical progressive would actually think that this issue involves, at all, any real concern for the health of the woman, and is not just a liberal fraud, a bit of insincere "eloquence" they gin up to fool people.
A more extreme, committed and robotic wingnut you could not hope for than John McCain. Don't be distracted from this truth by the occasional conflict he has with the religious right leadership, or other wingnut leaders, over who gets to control the robots. Not every Catholic who disagrees with the Pope disagrees with a system of paternalistic hierarchy. Some of them differ only in thinking that they should be the Pope.
I had no idea there was an actual PRO-abortion movement out there.
Really? I'm about as liberal as you can get, and I've never once felt that way or heard about this 'movement'. PRO Abortion. Hmmmm.
McCain is a blathering idiot.
I'm becoming a Pro-Get a Life.
Anyone get the impression that McCain doesn't really like women? Or respect them?
Yep.
My point exactly. It hit me when he said he was "proud" of Sarah Palin . . . as if she were his child.
He doesn't respect women at all. He called his wife a trollop and a c*nt in public. If you don't respect your wife, you certainly don't respect other women.
"Health"
I work for NARAL Pro-Choice America and I just wanted to make sure everyone saw our web-video take on McCain, women's health, and air quotes.
Here is my point....any woman who votes McCain / Palin on November 4th should invest in wire clothes hangers. Sarah Palin is the worst thing that could have happened to women. She is a monster to say the least.
To say that she does not support abortion even in cases of rape and incest just blows my mind. With girls getting their periods now a days as young as 9 and 10 years old...the possiblity of pregnancy is a reality. So under a McCain / Palin presidency.....if my 10 year old was raped and became pregnant, she should be forced to carry to term? I should send her to school in the 4th grade pregnant until she was ready to give birth because according to Sarah Palin...there are other choices like adoption? If a fetus is known to have Tay Sachs, the mother should be forced to carry that baby to term and then watch for the next 3 years as her child suffers the most unimaginable, horrible and painful death that you wouldn't even wish on your worst enemy? Don't believe me? Look up Tay Sachs and tell me if you would let your child go through that and suffer everyday of his or her life then die.
Makes you all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn't it?
First of all, this is something dear to my heart. My friend had to have three pregnancies terminated in the third trimester because of life-threatening health issues. The terminations were called "emergency c-sections". My friend has three living children from those terminated pregnancies.
How could it benefit the health of a woman to subject her to an extra, invasive procedure to achieve fetal death prior to ending her health-threatening pregnancy? For what possible health problem would any doctor prescribe spending three days in a motel room accompanined by your mother or S.O., rather than checking into a hospital where you'd have 24-hour medical supervision?
McCain was pointing out quite accurately that "health" concerns are painted so broadly by Doe vs Bolton that it's nearly impossible to imagine a scenario you couldn't make fit. Tiller has performed late abortions for the compelling "health" reasons of concerns about not being able to participate in sports or worries about missing a concert!
You are telling me that women go through a horribly painful procedure that SUCKS because they want to go to a concert when they are six months pregnant?
Next you're going to be telling me I wanted to have that kidney stone.
Not to mention, sometimes it's not the mother's health, sometimes the baby is dead or dying in the womb, but sure let's drag it out as long as possible and make everyone suffer as much as possible in the name of Life!
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