Fox News Sunday: Boehner Brags About Job Creation; Too Bad Facts Get In The Way
By Nicole Belle Monday Jul 06, 2009 9:00am
I'm not sure by whom I am more annoyed in this clip: Cryin' John Boehner, Steny "Bipartisanship Trumps All" Hoyer or Fox "Pravda" News. If it's Fox News and it's a Republican politico, I EXPECT lying and partisanship. In that sense, Boehner doesn't disappoint. But then again, I've come to expect rather milquetoast-y appearance from Dems too, and Hoyer fulfills that expectation nicely as well. So therefore, I fall to my default position that FoxNews framing is ridiculously insulting to the intelligence of any sentient being who happens to be watching.
Like the proverbial toddler deprived of a cookie, host Chris Wallace stamps his feet and whines why isn't everything better RIGHT NOW?!?! Just six months into a presidency that inherited the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression and damn it, that watered down stimulus bill--that HAD to include tax cuts demanded by the GOP that does little to nothing to stimulate--isn't giving us immediate gratification and relief? Amazing!
Never mind that Obama had to deal with governors refusing stimulus money to score cheap points with the base and that some states are using the stimulus money to shore up budget shortfalls. Never mind that economists said it would take 12-18 months to see results, the WATBs of Fox/GOP want our results NOW!!!!
Cryin' John's appearance was so full of lies and half-truths, it's hard to know where to begin:
This was supposed to be about jobs, jobs, and jobs. And the fact is it turned into nothing more than spending, spending, and more spending on a lot of big government bureaucracy.
I know you're not this obtuse, but just playing the partisan game for those of your base not capable of thinking for themselves--but let's try this again: Government projects means hiring people to do those projects.
In Ohio, the infrastructure dollars that were sent there months ago -- there hasn’t been a contract let, to my knowledge. And the fact is -- is I don’t believe it will create jobs.
Is that so? No contracts? And you don't think it will create jobs? Really? Your nose is growing, Boehner.
And, Steny, the real question is where are the jobs. You can’t spend $800 billion of taxpayer money and not create jobs when you say that’s what the goal was. We haven’t seen the jobs yet.
Of course, if you had a shred of intellectual honesty, you'd admit that the White House said we wouldn't really see job creation until 2010. It's much better to play dumb and pout about not seeing immediate results magically.
BOEHNER: If you really want to get the economy going, you have to trust small businesses and the American people to reinvest their own money. So we (inaudible) into this bill and allow them to keep more of what they earn.
HOYER: John’s plan was what they proposed in 2001. Chris, I don’t want to look back.
BOEHNER: It created 5 million new jobs.
Uh huh. Paul Krugman called it correctly:
You can offer various excuses and explanations, but how anyone can suggest that Republicans are more committed to and/or credible about job creation is a mystery
.
WALLACE: Back when the Obama team was pushing its stimulus plan, it said that it would keep unemployment below 8 percent. This week we all learned it’s now 9.5 percent, and the Republicans have put out a video about a bloodhound searching for stimulus jobs. Let’s watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
NARRATOR: Finally, the dogs tracked down something. In North Carolina, they used stimulus money to hire one new state worker. His job -- apply for more stimulus funds from the taxpayers by the way of the federal government.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: Congressman Hoyer, can you honestly say you’re satisfied with the stimulus?
HOYER: I don’t think anybody can honestly say that we’re satisfied with the results so far of the stimulus. But we believe the stimulus was absolutely essential. Mark Zandi, as you know, who was one of McCain’s economic advisers, says it’s going to create 2 million jobs by the end of next year, and...
WALLACE: But why hasn’t it done more faster?
HOYER: Well, we’re disappointed that it hasn’t done more faster. John and I were talking earlier about getting money out more quickly. We need to do that. We’re disappointed.
But after all, the ad’s being run by a crowd that created about 4,000 jobs per month, the worst job creation performance in 75 years, and lost 2 million jobs the three months before the Obama administration came in, so they haven’t had such a hot track record. We’re disappointed that we inherited such a tanking economy. But we’re trying to do everything we can to get it moving again.
WALLACE: I think, Congressman Boehner, he’s talking about you as he says that. President Obama defended the stimulus this week. Let’s take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: The recovery act was designed to make sure that local school districts didn’t lay off teachers, and firefighters, and police officers, and it’s done its job.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: Congressman Boehner, the Democrats say that unemployment would be a lot higher without the stimulus package.
BOEHNER: Listen, we argued early in the year when this bill was being debated that the way to help the economy grow is to help small businesses and American families keep more of what they earn, because at the end of the day they’re the ones who can get the economy going again.
This was supposed to be about jobs, jobs, and jobs. And the fact is it turned into nothing more than spending, spending, and more spending on a lot of big government bureaucracy.
In Ohio, the infrastructure dollars that were sent there months ago -- there hasn’t been a contract let, to my knowledge. And the fact is -- is I don’t believe it will create jobs.
The president said earlier this year we’re not going to see unemployment above 8 percent if we pass this bill. And the fact is we have.
And, Steny, the real question is where are the jobs. You can’t spend $800 billion of taxpayer money and not create jobs when you say that’s what the goal was. We haven’t seen the jobs yet.
HOYER: We have obviously invested in health care. We’ve invested in education. I think the president’s absolutely right. We would have lost more jobs but for this investment, and economists agree with us.
As a matter of fact, a lot of economists on John’s side of the aisle agreed with the stimulus package. But this...
BOEHNER: No, no, no. They agreed...
HOYER: John, let me just finish.
BOEHNER: They agreed that we needed a stimulus bill.
HOYER: Let me just finish. John’s message is the same message we heard in 2001, the same message that supported an economic policy that led us to the worst economic times that we’ve...
WALLACE: Gentlemen, let’s look forward, not backwards. And I guess the question becomes -- because you say -- you both say you’re disappointed with the stimulus, and that it hasn’t created jobs, so...
HOYER: Disappointed with the results so far, Chris...
WALLACE: Right.
HOYER: ... not with the stimulus.
WALLACE: So is the answer a second stimulus? Is it to revamp the current stimulus? What are you going to do to get money out and create jobs faster?
HOYER: Well, we have to get the money that is already in the stimulus bill out, and we’re looking at that. Jim Oberstar is looking at that from the infrastructure standpoint.
We’re looking at that in all the areas, through the cabinet officers, that we need to get this money out more quickly.
John’s right. I’m disappointed, he’s disappointed, that the money hasn’t gotten out more quickly. And we’re disappointed...
WALLACE: But would you favor a second stimulus? Because some Democrats are already saying the problem with the stimulus was it wasn’t big enough.
HOYER: Well, I don’t say that at this point in time. We’ll have to see. We certainly want to see how this develops over the next few months.
But we’ve got to understand we inherited 2 million jobs being lost in the three months before we took office. The policies that were put in place were put in place about 130 days ago -- not eight years ago, but 130 days ago.
BOEHNER: Come on, Steny, you sound like the kid who showed up without his homework every day...
HOYER: Come on.
BOEHNER: ... and he wants to blame the dog for eating his homework. The president said unemployment wouldn’t get above 8 percent. We said early this year that this plan was not going to work.
WALLACE: Well, can they fix the...
BOEHNER: We agreed that we needed a stimulus plan, and our plan...
WALLACE: Looking forward...
BOEHNER: ... cost half as much and, according to the same economists, would have created twice as many jobs.
WALLACE: Congressman Boehner, looking forward, can they fix the current stimulus, the $787 billion stimulus plan that Congress passed?
BOEHNER: All it does is fund more government. If you really want to get the economy going, you have to trust small businesses and the American people to reinvest their own money. So we (inaudible) into this bill and allow them to keep more of what they earn.
HOYER: John’s plan was what they proposed in 2001. Chris, I don’t want to look back.
BOEHNER: It created 5 million new jobs.
HOYER: No, no.
BOEHNER: Five million jobs.
HOYER: No way.
BOEHNER: Yes, sir.
HOYER: No way.
BOEHNER: Five million jobs it created.
HOYER: Your figures are dead flat wrong.
WALLACE: OK.
HOYER: Less than 2 million. While Clinton -- and during the Clinton administration, we created almost 21 million jobs.
WALLACE: Gentlemen, let’s -- forgive me. Let’s move to another subject.
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Maybe McDonalds
And Law Firms
Representing the gop caught in scandals.
For those long-winded press conferences where "the announcement" is made.
SDHD storage cards.
And video tape manufacturing New
Mon, 07/06/2009 - 10:16 — Blue Lensman
For those long-winded press conferences where "the announcement" is made.
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Chinese Walmarts?
Snip - Just a day before his lunch date with Warren Buffet, Mr. Zhao told the media that he would mention a little known Chinese company, WuMart, to Warren Buffet during their lunch meeting.
[ http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/275397 ]
"Even before Mr. Zhao arrived for lunch, shares of WuMart were climbing. By the time he returned to China, the shares were about 25 percent higher and Mr. Zhao’s stock holdings in WuMart (which he insists will some day be China’s Wal-Mart) were worth about $16 million more."
... rose colored glasses. So we can see the change.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it,
people will eventually come to believe it. The
lie can be maintained only for such time as the
State can shield the people from the political,
economic and/or military consequences of the
lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the
State to use all of its powers to repress dissent,
for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie,
and thus by extension, the truth is the
greatest enemy of the State."
Joseph Goebbels
Bonehead's nose is the only thing that grows bigger with his constant lies, since we all know he doesn't have any balls or brains.
takes over Chris's job.
Haaaa Haaaa Haaaa
You made my organic green tea come out of my nose!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-emQAsGMeQ
The ONLY movie, except Seven to make me lose sleep.
Seven WAS a disturbing movie - I left the movie feeling unwell. I usually can leave those feelings in the theater when I leave.
I have a few natural brown wipes from Starbucks I could give you.
"natural brown wipes from Starbucks"
Oh the comedy possibilities of that phrase!
Kitchen or loo?
no MJ coverage from these clowns?
now there is a man with a credibility problem
he is about us trustworthy as he looks
Notice how pale boner looks now that he no longer wears his orange man makeup? Since the night the President made the joke about the color of boner's face, he stopped wearing his makeup. Now he almost looks sickly compared to his old look.
How the hell do you talk about fiscal policy without looking backwards?
is with a rear view mirror.
They did create 5 million jobs, but they also lost about 2 million, so that is a net gain of 3 million. A white lie. It would be interesting to see the chart after 4 years.
Maybe we should stop outsourcing our workforce to create jobs.
..should have to pay fees.
If I live outside of New York City but work there, I have to pay taxes. Taxation without representation! Why not have the people working for American companies outside of the USA pay tax?
OOOOOOH, Scary!
typical of boehner. half truths and deny the BUSH legacy. some FACTs to consider wages are still stagnate,
people are working less hours(part-time instead of full-time) and manufacturing overall is down. consumerism is down. this recession "officially started" december 2007 and has been in a descending free
fall since. if i remember correctly the BUSH administration made promises last year with the $168 billion
stimulus bill that did next to NOthing. this is strategic denial by the (r) in preparation for elections. it's totally unreasonable to expect much of any changes and many economists and corporate ceo(s) recognize that FACT. this is a GLOBAL economic downturn. it's much more complicated/complex than what is understood.
What else would you expect from the republicans? Rather than work together to actually try to get something positive done for the country, they have only one strategy, blame the other party and pretend they were better at something than someone else was.
But not unexpected.
Of course Fox News and Bonehead suck. As well as Steny Ho Hoyer.
But, please stop the stinking defense of the black man. For God's sake. Enough is enough.
It was Barack Hussein Obama that was telling how many jobs his program would "create or save".
Its all lies, Nicolle, and you are smarter than this Party allegiance bullshit. Or, at least I thought you were.
You don't know me.
This is the third time I've counted that you've accused me of having blind allegiance to Barack Obama.
You don't know shit. I took so much crap on this site because I refused to endorse Obama during the primary (I didn't endorse Hillary either). I am not now nor have I ever been a Democrat.
And if you weren't so damn determined to smear me you'd be able to read that I called Steny Hoyer a milquetoast.
But your all-encompassing hate on for Obama is blinding you to a few realities:
1) We're only six months into the stimulus. The effects were not anticipated until 12-18 months in.
2) The stimulus was severely watered down by bullshit GOP demands for tax cuts which we've shown over the past decade does DICK for the economy.
3) John Boehner is bragging on half-truths and lies that his party has a grasp on how to pull us out of this recession/depression.
I don't know if this is going to work and NEITHER DO YOU. I'm just willing to be intellectually honest about it.
Job growth is a lagging indicator even in the more average times thus belying that tax cuts for businesses automatically result in job creation or "saving" jobs.
And if the job growth is out-sourced the results are even worse.
You tell him, Nicole! I voted for Obama, but not due to blind allegiance; I was a Kucinich man. But Obama was FAR better than McCain.
I can't understand why all these folks who hate Obama continue to verbally assault us who held our noses and voted for Obama. I certainly didn't think he was some kind of Messiah, and I had major problems with the man from the git-go, but it would have been far worse with Grampa and Bible Spice.
Keep on pluggin' - and don't let the jerks get you down.
frickin rude. disguisting period.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qf5UAj093s&fe...
When you start your slam on me like this:
It tells me exactly the quality of the person criticizing me and how much credence your critiques deserve.
Haters deserve no further comments from me.
Once I read the use of the middle nameand his ethnicity, I knew this poster was worthy of the ignore user function.
I mean their is only one reason why one would feel a need to post those two details so emphatically. Sad isn't it?
You do realize that, don't you?
The material point is that the Republicans' mantra of tax cuts for the aid of the economy is as much b.s. as your opinion of Keynesian economics.
Lemme guess, big fan of Strauss, are you? Rand?
My guess is a few too many Conservative/Libertarian videos on Google.
He's big on "trickle down"
Ignoring Keynesian economics, with the requisite regulations, is what destroyed the economy in the first place under boosh, along with lousy foreign and domestic policies in general regarding wars and tax cuts.
It's looking very much like my husband's small company may get a contract as a result of the stimulus money. If and when this happens, he will be hiring at least three or four new people and maybe more later. Plus he will be buying some new equipment for the job. I know it's only a few drops in the bucket, but it's more drops than there were going to be without that money for the state of Florida.
were pretty darn urgent to get that stimulus passed immediately because it would start flowing right away. Hence the term stimulus. Which means to incite. Well, that immediate cash giveaway seems to have incited all right. Incited lay offs. Krugman is right, but for the wrong reasons. States receiving cash, are using it for their own finances, not shovel ready jobs. They are all hurting and on the verge of California-economics. If you are short 20 billion on your budget, and the feds give you 20 billion, are you going to create new programs, or use the money on existing? But it's not to affect the unemployment situation until 2010? How many jobless can wait until 2010?
While I'm sure there is waste in places (name some program that DOESN'T have some waste), my agency had a backlog of needed projects that we didn't have money for, and with the stimulus $ we are already hiring local individuals and contractors to do them.
So it's not all bullshit, as many of the naysayers on this site are contending. I'm seeing it in action.
Will it work as completely as promised? Probably not, but it's a damn site better than Bush ever did, and it sure as hell is better than Boehner and the rest of the "tax cuts for the rich" crowd espouse.
is better than that moron Bush ever did. However, the speed and urgency that the money made it to Wall Street and the bankers, sure seems to be different than the speed it's making it into the rest of the economy. Having said that, my government invested billions in infastructure as well, and highway construction is visible everywhere. Everything else is dead, but the highways are getting much needed attention. In a mere few weeks, not months.
the taxpayers to lobby for themselves, right?
http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2001/1009taxe...
Conclusion
With the exception of the household tax rebate aimed at lower- and moderate-income workers, the Administration's proposed tax stimulus package is flawed. It includes permanent changes that are less effective at stimulating the economy in the short run than temporary changes but more expensive. And its acceleration of the recently enacted tax cuts for higher-income taxpayers is poorly targeted and potentially counter-productive. A more effective stimulus package would combine the household rebate aimed at lower- and moderate-income workers with a temporary incentive for business investment.
Please note all the banks and credit card giveaways. That sure seemed instant!
http://www.usbudgetwatch.org/stimulus
Oh, look at that. Homeland Security and the military are going to get as much as highways! Ouch.
Well we all know Bubba has a longer, straighter, faster growing poll.
I find that remark VERY interesting!
;)
Two things I hate: Size queens and little dicks.
;)
Wooooo, awesome comment thread!!(you tell em Nicole, :D)
Steny is horrible, not very good at debating two liar morons.
Took the republicans quite a long time to destroy the economy, I can't image being able to rebuild it any faster than it was torn down, especially with the banks hording the moneys and or paying back the massive debt the GOP made.....
Kucinich has some awesome videos on you tube, his health care hearing was great. He also tore up some Federal reserve dip shit leader guy too. LMAO.
the The 2010 midterm elections and reach a plateau going into the 2012 cycle. IMO
So many, have the patients of a child and throw tantrums accordingly, when they don't get their way.
We can always find fault in others... though that's just half the problem. It all depends on your outlook?
The only thing that is a mystery to me, is how anybody who is not in the top 5% would even consider voting for these (GOP) sociopathic bastards.
You would think even stupid bigot idiots would want a decent job and healthcare for their families?
I hate both those worthless son of a bitches ... no actualy I hate all those son of a bitches in Congress.
I wish we could just get rid of all of them and start all over.
By Rachel Bloom and John Cranford, CQ Staff
Snip - As his presidency approaches the half-year mark, Barack Obama is on pace to be the most successful Oval Office occupant in more than half a century when measured by his ability to get Congress to vote his way — even though he shows signs of carefully picking his fights on Capitol Hill.
[ http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=n... ]
Clinton's chart rises sharply with a consistent, upward slope reminiscent of a strong, sustained erection.
In contrast, Bush's chart rises weakly, then sags, then attempts a last pathetic rise, reminding one of a semi-flaccid, impotent chubby.
Clearly Clinton's growth was better.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
The man is a comedian!
republicanism is a mental illness!
They have no honesty, no honor, no integrity, no intelligence, Just stupid lying insanity.
How dare you present the facts as they really are?! Do you think it'll be long before O'Reilly will have one of it's stalkers chasing you around? You know you can't confront those rightwing liars with the truth, they don't recognize reality.
Thank you for telling it like it is.
Same old repubican rant, "Small business + low taxes = job creation." Bone up on this. Even big business such as Borders are closing stores left and right because people are going to the library. Small business? Forget it. The unemployed don't bring in their clothes to be cleaned nor pick up bagels and cream cheese! No one has money except bankers/brokers, CEOs and the wealthy (through inheritance) who get the big tax breaks. Why haven't those tax breaks for priviledged class created jobs?
The Clinton/Bush employment chart comparisons are meaningless. The late 1990's were a 1920's easy money, bubble economy. The bubble burst in 2000, with the nasdaq, but Greenspan engineered a housing bubble to replace the stock bubble, and thus kept the boom from falling apart for another 7 years.
Mathmatical fact. Every boom ends in a bust. See the rising blue line? There will be an equal and opposite declining line in the bust.
The day of reckoning always comes. Mathmatics is not republican or democrat.
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