Bill O'Reilly for the Public Option!
By John Amato Thursday Sep 17, 2009 7:30pm
(h/t Heather)
Wow, Bill O'Reilly goes where the Baucus Dogs fail to go. In a place far, far away to explore strange, new worlds, and to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no ConservaDem has gone before."
The Public Option!
Bill O'Reilly backed the public option on the Factor even though he pronounced it dead. His friend Glenn Beck and the rest of FOX News must still have their mouths wide open and drool running down their chins.
Is he truly serious or was it a calculated move to shake up the debate on FOX?
O'REILLY: The public option now is done. We discussed this, it's not going to happen. But you say that this little marketplace that they're going to set up, whereby the federal government would subsidize insurance for some Americans, that is, in your opinion, a public option?
OWCHARENKO: Well, it has massive new federal regulation. So you don't necessarily need a public option if the federal government is going to control and regulate the type of health insurance that Americans can buy.
O'REILLY: But you know, I want that, Ms. Owcharenko. I want that. I want, not for personally for me, but for working Americans, to have a option, that if they don't like their health insurance, if it's too expensive, they can't afford it, if the government can cobble together a cheaper insurance policy that gives the same benefits, I see that as a plus for the folks.
O'Reilly is a socialist now. And backing the public option is going to freak FOX News out. Last week he was on with David Axlerod and was for having the Feds override states' rights.
As Jed says:
Who knows if O'Reilly was endorsing exchanges, or a public option, or even if he had any clue what he was talking about. At the very least, though, it's a recognition from him that he thinks the basic argument for a public option is compelling.
Axelrod: Well first of all we have a system of state regulation, you know that of the insurance industry that makes that difficult. What we want is these individual market places. Some markets have competition, other markets don't.BillO: The Feds can override the states...
Axelrod: Excuse me?
BillO: The Feds can override the states, you know that. You can make it so that all health insurance companies compete nationwide.
Axelrod: This is a historic moment with you calling for the feds overriding the states. I didn't realize you had that...
O'Reilly: Federal jurisdiction, you know federal jurisdiction takes precedence in almost every legislative area...
Axelrod was so shocked that he had to ask BillO to repeat himself.
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Even a blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time.
BillO is deaf, dumb, blind, and limbless. I don't think he'll find anything. He does whatever Rupert Murdoch tells his tiny brain to do.
OK, that'll never happen.
do I believe BoilOnMyAss was sincere. If it were alive, he'd pan it.
Notice he wants to overturn State-run Insurance so everyone can get fucked with that baucus bill.
When I heard him say this my mouth fell wide open and drool ran down my chin
Who knew there was a rational thought in Billo's head!
Late,
QSE32
...but if he's arguing for a public option, and he has the ear of many nuts of the opposition, in this instance you gotta tell him 'keep spreading the word' no?
Why not let Billo know he's finally on the right side of the debate?
...I am starting to think that BillO is the one that actually believes the least of what he/she says on the air. In other words, if anyone of those ghouls is doing it just for the money, I think it's him.
People like Dobbs, Hannity, Limbaugh and Buchanan are plain old haters. Malkin, Beck and Coulter are mentally ill. O'Reilly...I think he is just a whore.
This reminds of when Bill Kristol said recently on the Daily Show that the government runs the best health care program in the country (the VHA).
Jon Stewart, admitted professional smartass, really and truly made our entire system of for-profit journalism appear as worthless as it really is. AGAIN.
that he is more of a social conservative than an across the board right-winger. So, once in a blue moon, he will make some contrarian noises, like saying he believes that global warming is real. He's still a d-bag though.
Maybe this is a setup for "Boy, we really should have had a public option, but the Dems screwed it up, even though we all wanted it!"
this is probably what's going to happen!
Late,
QSE32
Will the Fox Attack machine go after him now? will he have to now direct his own ambush team to go after him?
Or will Bill Crumble under the angry bulging vein than is Sean Hannity when he complains that Bill Is a socialist now?
Maybe, Bill will have to turn in his Fox Loser Card now! this is a terminatable offense in the fox family isn't it? either way it's a win win!
Late,
QSE32
...It must take a lot of work and concentration to constantly be against something you know is good for people, for ulterior motives that aren't actually good for people.
So we can let O'Reilly slide for his accidental lapse into honest opinion, instead of his usual demagoguery for profit. I'm sure he'll justify it appropriately on another episode.
I mean the man is a ID motor mouth. Basic statistical or chaos theory predicts he'll say something intelligent once in awhile.
O'Reilly's mouth is like the thousand monkeys in a room full of typewriters. He inadvertently produced Hamlet.
People inadvertantly say something unplanned. Especially if they've been lying... sometimes the truth just sorta slips out.
It's obvious he didn't realize what he was saying until after he said it. As usual, he was destroying a rational idea...then trying to appear smart in front of a chick by re-phrasing the exact same idea as if it was his original thought.
That's his idea of acting tough for the O'Reilly/Fox Bimbo-of-the-Day...and maybe getting laid.
Or forced to lie that he didn't actually say that. Whichever comes first.
O'Reilly? I wouldn't trust that carny with any information much less let him within 3 feet of my children.
No way will I believe this on its face.
Get an axe
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I can think of is O'Reilly's ratings must be going into the toilet and he's scrambling to get them back up.
In Fox's circus of nutbags, I bet he's losing ground to Beck. And I bet it's killing him! lol
I sometimes watch O'Reilly and send him a lot of emails.
Since he has regularly been having beck on his program, however, the time I watch O'Reilly has greatly gone down because I cannot stand beck, and anyone who defends beck is on my shitlist. O'Reilly doesn't seriously question beck, and in fact, he jokes with him about the crazy shit beck says and pulls.
I often ask O'Reilly why he often refers to "left-wing loons," yet he doesn't call beck a "right-wing loon," or even just simply, a "loon." Certainly, the things beck says and does are more than worthy of him being called a "loon."
Anyway, getting back to me not watching O'Reilly much any more....from time to time, I'll just send him a random email stating that I didn't watch his show tonight! I might also point out some bizarre thing beck said and ask O'Reilly if he condemned beck for it.
They're all nutbags over there at Faux.
Has O'Reilly realized Glenn is about to McCarthy himself into oblivion?!? Is this going to be the issue where Bill shepherds his viewers away from that 'Pinhead (read financial liability to the network) Beck'!!
...no, but that would be fun.
He thinks because he got a "Communist" fired that makes him Edward R. Murrow!
Dipsh!T!
Late,
QSE32
He believes every word coming out of his mouth...he simply doesn't understand most of them.
Portion of email I sent to beck last night
"Commies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY
Have you lost your "essence," beck?
Now I'm not sure if I should call you Herr Goebbels or Joseph McCarthy! "
Portion of 2nd email I sent beck last night:
"By the way, Joe McCarthy.
Have you no shame?
You know, that is one of the most well-known quotes in U.S. history. How could you get it so very wrong?
I really hope that our school children, and some of your less educated fans, are
not learning their history from you.
For shame, for shame, for shame. "
"Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?", is what Mr. Welch said in 1954.
I knew that...beck did not. What a frgn' idiot the guy is. He pretends that he knows the history of this country, but he doesn't even come close to who said what to Joe McCarthy!
Shame on beck!
The problem is the "folks" vote against their self interest and are brainwashed Freedom Works zombies thanks in large part to your boss Faux Noise and it's hidden agenda. Methinks Billy will be joining Dan Rather as a former corporate tool fired for going against the establishment. At least the women working for him won't be harassed anymore.
.. is this the moment when the Populist Right Wing WAKES UP ??
That this Public Option sounds like a good thing for them too?
"the Small business owners" would have an option to help maximize their profits instead of sending all of their Profit margin to Blue Shield!
Late,
QSE32
that's funny. He he, they woke up. Hahahahahahahahaha.
I have a problem with people calling these people populists. I know many do but I think they are using the wingnut dictionary. In my book a true populist opposes the power of the corporations and wealthy against the average citizen(as in teddy roosevelt, jim hightower,russ feingold. All I see out of these people are praying to the alter of corporatocracy.
I consider myself a populist over any particular party and being lumped in with these dolts does not please me.
Welcome-the-eff-aboard!
90% of yer fans collect Medicare. Time to make sure the fan pool doesn't run dry perhaps? Now that the public option has been left behind, you open ur yap NOW?
I think it is a myth that O'Reilly is a conservative. He comes from the working class and is a right-wing populist. That is simply not the same thing, and we make a mistake if we lump everyone on Fox together as if they were the right-wing equivalent of Stalinists, switching each time the party line switches. He is more akin in his public persona, and perhaps in his beliefs, to the so-called Reagan Democrats of the 80's. It also gives him a much wider following than a narrow intellectually conservative, GOP brahmin approach.
WTF, he's a far right wing neocon facsist propagandist and a disgrace to our country.
yes, please quit calling these corporate lackeys populists.
He's such a doozie. Thank you for clearing that up. And there i thought he was just a fecking plonker that says a lot of BS for money, silly me.
Thanks!
It's kind of innate to the ideology. Because conservatism has never been about an actual set of principles which can effectively better society, but is instead solely a subterfuge for the greedy to steal and the haters to hate, every time we try conservatism it fails miserably.
So conservatives have to re-invent themselves. Again.
Every position described as 'conservative' just sounds like something that will embarrass your grandchildren over the next few decades. It appears to be a struggle to be on the wrong side of history.
"Take your hands offa my stack"
Funny ideology for people who pretend to be rabidly patriotic. No wonder they're so confused: "Love America! Hate my fellow Americans!"
our dream scenario is creating a public option, eventually moving to a single-payer system and then start arguing 14 years from now how we should really do the right thing and establish a mechanism to pay for non-citizens who fall ill while within our borders; this also having the benefit of eventually saving copious quantities of tax dollars.
Public Option sounds like that punch-card you'd get for public-school lunches. A better message exists: Medicare for all!!!
Back when he first came on the air. I loved the way if he asked question A, but his guest insisted on answering (unasked) question B, BillO would shut them down. I love that.
One day however it hit me. BillO seems AWFULLY concerned about the impact of black rappers, misbehaving, on the poor black ghetto kids. I mean he harped on it all the time. Except, you'd have to be either a pretty dim bulb or a racist to think that the multi-billion dollar a year rap industry is fueled by ghetto dollars.
BillO never seemed concerned about the impact on suburban white kids who were by FAR the major consumers of this product.
His, paternalistic 'big white daddy know's best' attitude towards black people was just disgusting. I was vindicated when years later he expressed amazement at that a meal in a black owned/operated restaurant in Harlem wasn't a gangsta warzone.
Ok, maybe he's not a 'conservative' but he's a racist fuck.
...and a blowhard. If I ever liked him, and I have not, I believe that would have to be my dirty little secret.
Did you like the way he treated Jeremy Glick?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IwIRNM5noY
I said back when he first came on the air, we're talking '96-'97 here.
And you have to acknowledge an interviewer willing to call their interviewees out for not answering the question asked was a novel and refreshing thing in American tv journalism. And as I said, I quickly figured out what he was.
And of course I didn't like his treatment of Mr. Glick, why would you think would? I have the Outfoxed DVD on my shelf.
Did you read my post?
and I stand by mine. The man is a pompous @ss and always has been.
I called him a racist fuck? Why are you so soft on him?
Personally I have never liked the man.
"Pompous @ss" seems kinds soft to me. You wouldn't even spell ass. I think you secretly like him, or at least, dislike him less than I do.
why you used to like him and trying to keep this from getting personal, but if you want to go there,
GO AHEAD, MAKE MY DAY!
Anyone see Howard Dean on Keith Olbermann's show tonight?
Dean really gave a great smackdown of the likes of limpballs, beck, and especially o'reilly.
Dean said that the only reason he does not go on O'Reilly's show is because of the Jeremy Glick incident.
In referring to these jerks, Dean said, "this is about the very worst instincts in human beings...these are not admirable people....they're mean people....they're not good human beings."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BR3Y_VNMXM
The whole clip is good; Dean comes on about the 02:44 mark; and his comments I pointed out above are about the 05:10 mark or so.
Maybe C&L could get this clip posted....it's late, and my post is deep in the thread, but I think it is worthwhile watching the clip. I really wish more would speak out like Howard Dean.
You could argue that he is more of a Goldwater conservative, but I've never seen him support any kind of social issues. You could argue also argue that Palin is a populist conservative, but make no mistake, they are as far right as you can go.
About a year ago, I actually did hear O'Reilly claim that he wouldn't mind if his taxes went up a litle bit in order to help people get health insurance.
I respectfully disagree, Rascalcat, about Palin. She's about as "right as you can go," but I think O'Reilly is slightly left of her with a ways to go before he would fall off the cliff.
As much as I disagree with O'Reilly; as much as he is a bully; I can stand watching him sometimes, but I absolutely cannot stand watching or listening to the likes of palin, beck, insannity, and limpballs.
Didn't he do some made for TV National Enquirer bit or something? Or was he the guy on 976-FALAFEL?
In any case, who gives a flying falafel?
Beck and Hannity are unhinged.
He would have to blow himself up like Daffy did during one of the Bugs cartoons to top them.
Bill is moving into the I'm a Conservative but I'm not crazy like these other two idiots slot.
O'Reilly is an actor first. I don't believe he believes half the things he says. He's a true shock jock. .
The other two guys actually believe there lies.
Take Boehner. He knows when he's lying. Michelle Bachman doesn't. She thinks there lies are the Gospel.
From FireDogLake Channel at YouTube:
MSNBC's Rachel Maddow - Strange Coincidences of Southern State's Terrible Women's Health Care
You know what I would like to see. Blue states get a public option, red states don't. Maybe eventually they would stop electing morons.
The reason Bill is taking a rational stance on the Public Option? Maybe it's all the money being lost from advertisers boycott of Beck's show. The show must go on, and the FOX corporation needs the money. Bill knows it. (Also he knows that one of these days the wingnuts will realize having a Public Option's a GOOD thing.)
*Oreilly* I want, not for personally for me, but for working Americans, to have a option, that if they don't like their health insurance, if it's too expensive, they can't afford it, if the government can cobble together a cheaper insurance policy that gives the same benefits, I see that as a plus for the folks.
wait...oreilly DOESNT want an option? okay, lets not fool ourselves, oreilly is a rich man and not making 'common' money even though he insists that he's just like everyone else (even though howard stern did some digging and found out that BOR has an expensive house with full-time maid service). but i have to ask YET AGAIN...
what part of 'option' do people not understand.
let me give you an idea. i dont make a lot of money. i work very hard at my job (im a massage therapist, and the greatest moment of my career was working on a former president) and im EXTREMELY qualified. but things are slow for everyone lately, and i have 2 other jobs. i hate those crappy, meaningless jobs, but they give me a paycheck and i have to pay the rent. as difficult as things have been for me financially i have never EVER taken food stamps nor have i been on welfare.
that being said, if things ever got harder or more desperate for me, its good to know that those resources are available.
and so it is with health care (which i dont have). shouldnt bill oreilly be happy that a man of his wealth has the OPTION to forego government-supported health care and see whatever doctor he wants to?
Maybe Bill can cite to this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32882064/from/RSS/
Frankly, I think it's too little, too late to make this point, perhaps the easiest point to make in the entire debate, and one that should have been hammered every day starting months ago.
Know what's even sadder. The way it sounds now, this so-called reform, when and if passed, will not go into affect until 2013.
How many more will loose their insurance and their lives in the next 4 years.
It's likely an attempt to feign that "Fair & Balanced" bullshit.
He'll probably deny saying it tomorrow.
Almost all Beck's sponsors have dropped him in the boycott over his stupid statement that Obama is a racist. O'Reilly is just doing some damage control for the FOX corporation cuz they need those advertising dollars.
I mean, Rupert could make him apologize if he wanted.
he will just find another diversion to distract from what's being exposed now.
Whatcha all thinking?!
O'REILLY: "The public option now is done. But you say that this little marketplace* that they're going to set up, I want that"
*"this little marketplace"....! Kinda like the marketplace exchange in the baucus piece of SHIT bill**....
That is NOT a true, strong, or real public option; and sure as hell aint no single payer
**that the piece of shit ins co's also support...
oreilly is not for a real public option!!!!!Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
why all the pretending that he cares for "the folks."....?!
anyone that believes that oreilly is for a REAL public option is a stupid dumb ass fool of a biatch.....UBetcha!YupYupYup
"Bill O'Reilly for the Public Option!"...C&L...total FAIL!
IF.....& Only IF billo admits that everything he has ever said, done, was based on lies; and that his newz network and all that work for it are CROOKS AND LIARS then, and only then will I even consider to praise this "man".....
NOW he's in favor of it. Now that he thinks it's dead and gone.
Typical hypocrisy.
Bill has been making too much sense lately... Maybe he is considering a network move?
A donkey just flew past my second story window.
and I just don't understand why every time someone who kind of sucks says something right or helpful (like Chris Matthews, for example, who isn't really all *that* bad), everyone here needs to pile on. It's like "okay, he *may* have said something helpful but he still blows" or "it must have been an accident" or "I don't trust him" or "he must have an agenda...remember WE STILL HATE HIM"). I mean, really, do we have to be so sophomoric all the time? Can't we just focus on the issues instead of our personal feelings about these guys (I mean, I can't stand the guy either, but come on...)
...."who kind of sucks says something right or helpful "
NO! he does not kinda suck....he sux hard, he sux long and hard....
and backing the baucus piece of shit bill is just what he is PAID to do....
"sophomoric"......!? Really? you sound like a freshmanoric.. who "still blows"
If the Public Option is to pass. Only then shall we find out the true support or opposition. Only then
the Twilight Zone...
if you could use that word to define what is going on is getting more bizarre by the day. Up is down left is right.
I sent a rather pointed email to Obama a few weeks ago and today I actually got a response. Granted, it seemed like a form letter, but The Shrub never even bothered to do that. The timing that I would get it today seems a little odd. Hopefully Obama is getting ready to rally the troops and make a final stand for the PO.
I hope so. I filed for bankruptcy today because I can't afford to pay 2 massive hospital bills. Bills that I accrued while I supposedly had very good insurance. There goes any chance I have of owning a home or anything else for the next 7+ years.
this isnt that big of a deal, in my opinion. with oreilly, you never know what hes going to say. one second, the healthcare bill is dead, its socialism, and next second he is supporting an option for americans. its mind-boggling. knowing and watching billo all these years, this could just be a means to an end for him. i think eventually we will find it out it was some sort of plan of his to seem "fair and balanced". and then he will jump the shark, make some asinine comments and be against it again. you never know with this guy.
Did bill take his med's before that segment?
I agree with NOTcrazylikeFOX. You never know what incoherent bullshit will spill out of billos mouth or ass. They are interchangeable with him.
republicanism is a mental illness!
If you've ever followed "professional" wrestling (ex-husband used to get a kick out of it), you'd see the "bad guys" getting worse every week . . . finally going over the top, saying and doing absolutely outrageous things. Often, when one "bad guy" was overshadowed by another, he'd change sides, and a couple of weeks later become a "good guy". It was more about soap opera entertainment than "sport", and the players were simply athletic actors.
ClusterFox could be following the same script.
Just sayin'.
I dunno. Billo himself pronounced the Public Option dead, so that frees him up to say whatever he wants (you know, talk is cheap). This is just more bullshit posturing. If the honchos at FOX had any problem with what Billo was going to say, believe me, he wouldn't have said it.
So he says he is for it after saying it is already dead? What a champion.
O'Leilly's lies, intimidation, and sick wingnut morals of hate and fear qualify him as a dangerous right wing terrorist. His evil extremism brings great harm to our freedoms and Democracy,
the post by 'Thu, 09/17/2009 - 22:35 — AngryGus'
Billo the clown is not FOR a public option, he is for something the government can 'cobble together' within the exchange.
..one of KO's "Best Persons in the World" instead of one of the worst. NAHHH
O'Reilly is the kind of guy you hate even if he agrees with everything you say.
Shouldn't be that big of a deal to clean up though.
Limited capacity in that thick skull of his.
More bone than brains.
I was watching him last Friday and he said he supported in then too.
What BillO is most likely doing is trying to pretend that the insurance give-away called the "co-ops" or "exchanges" IS a public option. Watch for that lie to be pushed hard by the right wing radicals.
How long will it take until Lard-Ass blimpaugh teabags O'Lielly and sets him straight on the lies he can tell.
As much as I can't stand O'Reilly, I don't recall him ever backing down from a fight besides from Andrea Mackris of course. An internecine fight between those two blowhards would be epic.
I figure this is the only time he will say anything of the sort. He is banking tape so down the road no matter what happens he can say that he was on it or "ahead of the curve."
After all he has said how could one possibly believe this is anything other that a cya?
I think BillO is a bellweather here. Whether he truly supports a public option or was just being rhetorical, it's worth noting that he engaged the topic from the presumption that something needs to be done.
That puts him about fifteen miles to the left of pretty much every Republican in the country right now.
Even if he had come out against the public option but FOR reform of any kind that would represent a huge step in the right direction.
BillO for all his faults has never been a slouch at seeing which way the wind is blowing. He's not Limbaugh. He's not a demagogue. He's a populist.
It's a very good sign that anyone in the right wing commentariat is willing to debate health care in good faith. The terms of the debate are changing.
Two weeks ago, he would have been debating whether Obamacare was going to kill everyone's grandma or just maim them. Because two weeks ago that's where the fight was. Now the fight is what goes in and what stays out of the bill. But there WILL be a bill.
Sounds like he's for a public option to me. Let's see if he backtracks.
The republicans need to find a way to support this plan that is PURE REPUBLICAN/CORPORTIST. They can't be seen supporting the dems, so they throw out their propagandists who seem to soften on the issue because...well, they're populists at heart and want to do what's right for the people.
And very soon the ignorant masses will forget about protesting health care 'reform' and will actually be clammoring for this plan--a plan that takes their money and delivers it direclty into the pockets of the insurers. They will be pissed at the expense, of course, but it will just give them more reasons to blame the 'commies' and not the corportists.
Brilliant move by the propagandists.
BillO is making an attempt to take over control of debate on the public option. He says its dead but he is for it. So he can bring the republican version and spill it all over the table when he is a minority party at the table.
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