BREAKING: Rove & Miers agree to testify under oath
By SilentPatriot Wednesday Mar 04, 2009 5:20pm
Finally Karl Rove and Harriet Miers will testify, under oath, about their roles in the USA attorney firing scandal.
Here's Conyers' statement:
In an agreement reached today between the former Bush Administration and Congressman John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.), Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Karl Rove and former White House Counsel Harriet Miers will testify before the House Judiciary Committee in transcribed depositions under penalty of perjury. The Committee has also reserved the right to have public testimony from Rove and Miers. It was agreed that invocations of official privileges would be significantly limited.
In addition, if the Committee uncovers information necessitating his testimony, the Committee will also have the right to depose William Kelley, a former White House lawyer who played a role in the U.S. Attorney firings.
The Committee will also receive Bush White House documents relevant to this inquiry. Under the agreement, the landmark ruling by Judge John Bates rejecting key Bush White House claims of executive immunity and privilege will be preserved. If the agreement is breached, the Committee can resume the litigation.Chairman Conyers issued the following statement:
"I have long said that I would see this matter through to the end and am encouraged that we have finally broken through the Bush Administration's claims of absolute immunity. This is a victory for the separation of powers and congressional oversight. It is also a vindication of the search for truth. I am determined to have it known whether U.S. Attorneys in the Department of Justice were fired for political reasons, and if so, by whom."
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you "comply" with it.
Arrogant fucks...
And why aren't they being prosecuted for their previous non-compliance with Congressional subpoenas? You bet can your hindquarters that John or Jane Doe would be.
incriminate him or anyone else.
Without corroborating witnesses, Rove is home free.
A Paper Curtain.
They'll show up with their high-powered attorneys and plead the Fifth.
A big fat nada hearing.
What....EVER!!!!!
roberto gonzales could probably use the work.
And...who is better at not being able to "recall remembering?"
I give it an over/under of 85.
I am shocked. Let's see what happens...
Just transcribed questions and answers and NOT under any oaths. Depositions are commonly taken before trials. While they aren't under any oaths when they give them, whatever they say is officially on the record and can be used later for impeachment purposes.
This is almost better than being under oath, in that it's more threatening in it's finality.
Didn't thing the lying sack of shit even knew the meaning of the word Truth.
Without an oath anything he says is meaningless to everyone, except the right wing media whores.They'll spout his every word as gospel truth after he lies his way through the cherry picked questions.
If you decided to tell the truth (Which i really doubt) don't fly any plane!
Have the sheriff standby to arrest those people.
what book they will swear upon? A bible would burst into flames.
bibles on Capitol Hill have been made off asbestos for the better part of the past quarter century.
It would have to be Kevlar instead of asbestos, if you are a Neocon, wouldn't want to give those trial lawyers any ideas now, would you?
The Book of the Dead.
Don't expect them to actually say anything. They'll obfuscate, lie, evade and, if necessary, take the 5th.
Good point, I imagine that the 5th might be taken many times...
Let see who can guess most closely the amount of times Rove and Myers take the 5th, and how many times they utter "I don't remember/recollect/wasn't aware" and its variations.
of guessing how many jelly beans are in the big jar.
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that may be the total crimes committed over the 8 years.
There's a difference.
Under oath, but in private, with council.
Lots of "Senator/Congresscritter, on the advice of council, I respectfully decline to answer on the grounds that it might tend to incriminate me..."
Hundreds of times...
...and the meeting will not be public. Thus little to no chance of anyone enforcing the perjury.
This is, as usual, a sham...
is it because she clearly could never say no to him, as he looked at the Supreme Court as a plaything almost, as he wanted to put someone like Miers there, a friend, so he could feel 'comfortable'. or did she really believe, clearly arrogantly, that she was the 'best' choice for that job that Bush couldve made? never mind she wasn't. remember the hue and cry by Kristol et al over that story. they really got Bush to backdown and he wasnt pleased. anything to make man/woman Miers look bad on this. she knew there were more qualified people than her and yet she still said yes. what a tool.
This:
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/story?id=3971180&page=1
it will not make a differnce what ever they reveal , obama will just want to move on, no body dies , except the guys and gals in iraq and afganistan! bank on it!
I was so the could plead the Fifth that Buseviks didn't issue 'em pardons.
What have you been drinking?
What the hell did you mean to say?
If Bush had issued anyone pardons, they could not take the fifth amendment.
How many truthful answers will we get between the two of them? How many non answers? How about my "my legal counsel has advised me not to answer"
This is gonna be a whole lot of nothing.
Went to Jail?
We can only hope.
Someone was just asking about you here the other day! :)
it will be:
"I don't recall"
"I can't answer that in the interests of security"
"I plead the 5th"
"executive privilege prevents me from answering"
...what congress will do when they don't get substantive info from that fat fucking asshole. Tosser belongs in jail.
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I don't care what deal Conyer thinks he's got. Rove and Miers will back out. Again. The only way we'll see them in a Senate chamber is surrounded by US Marshals.
Which would be fine by me. Especially if you add handcuffs.
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a sequuentially numbered orange jumpsuit as well.
pretty please.
Congressman Holt Introduces Anthrax Commission Legislation - Bill Would Create 9/11 Commission-Style Panel to Investigate Anthrax Attacks and Government Response
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/nj12_hol...
Attack Iraq!
like the 911 commission we had befor. it was stacked with bushies. A report full of bullshit. why do I say this. Where is there any thing about Bld #7. you can go through the thing and there is nothing about Bld#7. What was in Bld #7. the shit on walstreet, enron and lots of investagtions on corporate america. If you watch it fall, Controled right down to its end>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
America will have to watch Porky and Morticia non-stop 24/7?
Load up on Pepto-Bismol.
Leave Morticia Addams out of this, she doesn't deserve to be compared to that woman! ;)
I wonder which one of those sternly worded letters promped these two too finally testify?
I expect nothing to come of this.
These kind people of people don't pay for their crimes,
they get paid for their crimes.
The rest of us though, ummmm, not so much.
As KKKarl says "Jail for thee and not for me, now go f**k yerself."
What a bunch of losers. Damage is done. What was common about the judges that got fired? Were they investigating fraud and republican crimes, like voter disenfranchisement? How can they even show their faces in public, oh yea they have faith, working for a greater cause, constitution doesn't count when it comes to God's laws.
principles, personal responsibility, and love of people.
Ha, Ha. No kidding.
I actually think that kid had to be some kind of progressive plant. He knows not what he says! Or maybe his mom does...
The creepy little guy actually blew a hole through the entire false concept that the GOP has been grooving along on now for quite some time. They have not been small-government, for the people, pro-constitution,etc. since before Reagan. No real conservative ideology for going on 30 some years or so.
Maybe someone should introduce the young one to The Straussian School and all of its adherers.
Little kid's a got a rude awakening coming his way.
You might be looking at the next combination Rove/Bush to take office in 2048.
The Neo-Conservative ideology is a dramatic departure from what once was known as the Republican Party.
The kid hasn't said anything that adheres to that damaging school of thought.
He seems more like a kid enamored of old-school concervative ideology. Maybe he'd like Ike.
Maybe he's meant for the Ron Paul school of thought.
I'd love to these two in a room discussing "policy".
Is that you pander and never tell the rubes anything but what they need to hear to achieve your own goal. You can hear Richard Pearl deny that neocons even exist and that most were real conservatives who never had anything to do with Bush or his Wars. Quite breath taking really.
I wholeheartedly agree.
It's akin to the idea of "THE BIG LIE".
it is entertaining seeing in action what conservatives do best; project and deflect...
LOL. It is always the "other" conservatives, never the "real" ones, the ones that screwed up.
Now, the latest talking point is that George W. Bush wasn't a conservative.
Fucking A, for a group of people shoveling responsibility down other people's throats... conservatives sure are masters in the art of passing the hot potato around.
To whom are you directing this comment?
Ron Paul?
If so, you're in for a shocker because he's always held these views. Always.
That's why he is the outcast amongst his peeps.
Not saying anything but that.
Never.
For as intelligent as you appear to be, I would suggest doing a little research into the dawn of neo-conservatism, the Chicago school and Reagan's staff and where they are today.
Look up Rockerfeller Republican.
I'm to the left of Dems as most of the thinking world is so I'm just saying that there is a lot more to it than just using a word in an Orwellien way. Which is what the Straussian movement did very well with the word "conservative" and "liberal".
Neither Bush nor Reagan was a conservative and coincidentally they both had pretty much the same people behind them running the show.
What the individuals W.Bush and Reagan have in common are being total tools i.e. puppets.
Bush wasn't a conservative now, eh?
Buhahahahahahah....
One just can't make some of this shit up.
What about this can't you understand?
They were fascist radicals.
Hello.
I thought that quote came from "The Prince of Darkness", Richard Pearle
is that between neo-conservative and conservative.
Google.
WTF.
I can envision it all now.
I don't remember, I don't recall
I got no memory of anything at all
I don't remember, I don't recall
I got no memory of anything
-anything at all
They'll stand up and start singing Peter Gabriel songs for sure.
... yes, let's have some musical accompaniment to go with the circus, at least ... makes it so much more enjoyable ...
Peter Gabriel: I Don't Remember
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reKN53JUpfo
Awesome! Thank you, glory box!
should be brought in to testify under oath and Pete Domenici ? is that the one, and Monica Goodling and Josh Bolton and............
I want to see justice for all the attornys, Iglesias, Lamm and the others.
However, I suspect none if this will happen because it would certainly expose complicity of some very powerful Democrats.
This whole thing reeks of COVERUP.
complicit in the US atty. firings, but complicity in rendition, torture, wiretaps, and generally trashing of the Constitution.
Why the hell shouldn't they speak in the open for everyone to see? OK, so they're going to testify "under oath". So what? Will we know what they say? Why can't they say it in the open? There is something fundamentally wrong with Democrats. Rove shouldn't be making deals in order to testify. He should be thrown in jail if he doesn't comply. This isn't an open-ended invitation.
... if it brought down a bigger fish?
if rove's sincere, and intends to do the right thing, i genuinely pray he's got the proper federal protection, although he's a smart guy, so i'm sure he's got his bases covered.
(side note: attention wesley e. ledjennes: i reread our discussion on this morning's FDR thread during my lunch break, and i became concerned i came off a bit condescending when i said, "you are responsible for your own education." a better way of putting it would have been to say, "we are ALL responsible for our own educations." i genuinely don't want to come off as a pompous ass, because we literally need all the help we can get, we need every single intelligent conscientious human we can find; this of course includes you. i'm no "mr. know-it-all", none of us are; no matter what we think we know, at the end of the day, we're all just neurotic monkeys running up and down a big, spherical rock! peace, amigo.)
Could I have some of whatever you're smoking?
As to "bigger fish", at best we're talking about Gonzo. Karl Rove will not do anything to hurt Cheney.
with his puppet boy Bush considering the Valerie Plame affair. Nothing was under oath.
And let's not forget Cheney's secret energy meetings that have NEVER been made public.
Dick held Georgie's hand when they met with the 9/11 Commission, too. I'm sure he told a great story there.....
probably because he sees this as another venue for him to spew his criminal revisionism. 24/7 hearings on networks other than fake news is KKKarl's perfect opportunity to convince "real murkins" that the sky is purple, the sun rises in the west, Iraq had WMD's and Bush kept us safe. Rush Limpballs is currently a humourous distraction, but make no mistake it is Rove who is the leader of the "party", and if we allow his revisionist history to go unchallenged or unprosecuted, we are doomed to repeat it. Hey MSM, insted of asking Repukes if they agree with Limpballs, ask them if they stand with Rove.
that 13 year old kid is the current leader of the republican party.
not rove, not limbaugh, not steele. a 13-year old kid.
and when that kid gets a little older, and realizes just how badly the neocons derailed the republican party, BOY is he gonna be pissed.
I have a bridge, almost brand new, near primo real estate in NY. For cheap. You interested?
That boy is a willing participant, he represents to a T what the GOP stands for: unmitigated capacity for projection and a complete lack of ability to consider (much less accept) their own responsibility.
Let's call it what it is: lying under oath.
...you should catch Countdown and Jon Turley's explanation. Rove and Meir will testify to the committee, in private, under penalty of perjury, but they will not take an oath. There will be a transcript of the testimony that will be made public and the committee may require Public testimony at a later date.
Turley explained that Conyers likely made this deal because the committee will be able to get a lot of documents that have been withheld. The committee can then review the documents and the testimony for several months to determine future action.
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Drag his f***ing ass in there as any court room would do to anyone else.
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the dipshit who was in the W/H for the last 8 years did have some good shit going. I wish The new Pres would some of them. Let me seeeeee, fatass rove, and the rest of the the bush assholes could just be called ENEMY COMBATANTS, then they could just "DISAPEAR".
I wuold bet rove would cry like a little bitch when the brought out the board and the water. I would pay money to see this??? I just got the answer to our money issues in America. Lets put it on Pay TV. I would to see this.
I would really like to know just exactly what ALL of the terms that were agreed to are. It seems to me this will be another Dog and Pony Show with NO meaningful results. This statement "It was agreed that invocations of official privileges would be significantly limited" seems to allow plenty of wiggle room for Rove and Myers to talk and say NOTHING.
If Bush wasn't a conservative, then the same could be said for nearly EVERY person in this country that calls themselves "conservative" because they backed him with near unanimity and a level of devotion never before seen by a political party in this country.
If Bush wasn't a conservative, then the same could be said for nearly EVERY person in this country that calls themselves "conservative" because they backed him with near unanimity and a level of devotion never before seen by a political party in this country.
Good point. Brainwashing and propaganda have served the GOP nicely.
If these yahoos actually care about justice, they'll also get to the bottom of Clinton's firing of 93 attorneys. Partisan politics is laughable. Justice? These guys just want to try and suppress any GOPers they can to paint broadstrokes of recklessness on the party to get a pass from any scrutiny themselves. So far, their plan is working, but it'll all come back to roost on them. Their partisan rancor is only fooling those fools who want to be fooled and think the Democrats actually stand for something more than the GOP. They're all idiots.
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