Joe the Plumber: McCain "appalled me"
By SilentPatriot Wednesday Dec 10, 2008 9:00am
I could really care less if I never hear from Samuel the unlicensed plumber's apprentice Joe the Plumber ever again -- in fact, I would be much happier if I never did -- but this story from Politico is just too good to pass up. Apparently "Joe" grilled McCain on the Wall St. bailout out and came away, shall we say, dismayed.
Joe Wurzelbacher lashed out Tuesday at former GOP presidential nominee John McCain, the man who made Wurzelbacher famous as “Joe the Plumber.”Wurzelbacher told conservative radio host Glenn Beck that he felt “dirty” after “being on the campaign trail and seeing some of the things that take place.”
Recalling a conversation he had with McCain about the $700 billion financial industry bailout in September, Wurzelbacher said: “When I was on the bus with him, I asked him a lot of questions about the bailout because most Americans did not want that to happen.”
“I asked him some pretty direct questions,” he continued. “Some of the answers you guys are gonna receive — they appalled me, absolutely. I was angry. In fact, I wanted to get off the bus after I talked to him.”
Not surprisingly, Joe can't get enough of Sarah Palin.
While Wurzelbacher was critical of McCain during the interview, he had nothing but praise for his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. “Sarah Palin is absolutely the real deal,” he said.
Do I foresee a Palin/Plumber 2012 ticket? This blogger can wish, can't he?
UPDATE: John Amato
Joe the Plumber is a hack and a total fraud. I know you know that already. I just like saying it. He's got his fifteen minutes out of McCain and then throws him under the bus. Without McCain he'd probably be trying to weasel some food stamps for himself. Now, he's working hard to cash in on that wingnut welfare. I will instruct my writers to not mention him again unless he's being frog-marched.
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I buried Paul.
Sarah Palin . . . meet your soul mate.
It is my FONDEST wish that it is Palin/Joe in 2012. I don't think that couple could even carry Utah
Palin/Plumber 2012?
McCain the "Seasoned Politician", the "War Hero", the "Maverick Senator" is now APPALLING ?
And some dumb, inexperienced, prima donna, Gov. of BFE is the REAL DEAL???
Wow...the GOP is in worse shape that I thought
day...
Seriously...as much as people here disagreed with mccains policy choices, no one ever denied that he's led a life of service to this country. but Puff the Magic Plumber is a newt-esque neocon that worked out great before we realized how much damage they could do, but not so much now....
You can say what you want about Sen. McCain, but he did hold senate hearings investigating media companies for banning The Dixie Chicks.
He really, really did.
He wanted to tell the truth about how appalling it all was.
He really, really did.
But he didn't, did he? Because lying scumbags always choose easy money, easy fame, and the easy ride, no matter how uncomfortable it is to put up with the stink of hanging around with even bigger lying scumbags.
Poor Joe. Now he can't get the stink off him.
Which is exactly why I DON'T want people to stop talking/writing about Joe the Deadbeat Opportunist. He's the perfect exemplar for the Republican GOP, and the more people see of the GOP base, the faster they'll run from it.
You are irrelevant. You are a low life who should have never been put on the same stage as important as that of United States President.
I wish that Plumberboy, Palin, OReilly, Hannity, and all of those crazy, distorted individuals would go fuck themselves and never be seen or heard of again. This country would be able to get out of the mud if it weren't for these people who insist on throwing more into the pit.
it wasn't his fault. mccain put palin there too, blame him, or thank him.
That's right Republicans, you lost because you all weren't conservative enough.
KEEP MOVING TO THE RIGHT.
KEEP MOVING TO THE RIGHT.
It's for the best for all. Honest.
I just love it when Republicans talk about the need to move further to the right- Both Mittens and Palin might run in 2012, and I hope they openly declare the Republican party to be the Jesus party- They don't seem to grasp that McCain lost because he pandered to the radical right wing fringes, and alienated most Americans.
Lets hope the Republicans will slide further to the right- they'll lose, we'll win as a result.
This Joe the plummer is a pure sh*thead, an uneducated loser who the right wingers have somehow turned into a messiah
Don't be so certain. mcgramps never had the evangelical vote since he complained about Fallwell and others intruding themselves into the political process. They also hated his stance on campaign finance and torture (until he reversed himself on almost all this to run.)
If they ran a candidate that had full evangelical support, the result might be different, but speculative at this point.
Just look at California, they voted for Obama AND Proposition 8.
If 'Joe' was a plumber in Germany in the 1930's, he'd be one of those guys beating up Jews in the streets.
Don't underestimate or ignore the power of Rightwing Propaganda, 'Joe' the faux plumber is a product of it.
That's because it's all these braindead cruds like him hear all day long, it's all they know. Rightwing hate-fest radio day in, day out and Fox News at night are brainwashing the populace.
I talk to some of these morons and they don't know the difference between communism and socialism, right or wrong, truth and fiction, common sense and reality. And there were 56 million of these tools at last count.
Propaganda is serious; it's treason in a Democracy.
the result might be different, but speculative at this point.
When they loaded Palin onto the ticket, they picked up FULL evangelican support. Also full GUN-FETISH support, which was another McCain weakness. So, what you saw in 2008 was a ticket that got the FULL support of the GOP base, but which had moderates running like hell from the crazy woman. If McCain had picked Mike Huckabee, who appeals to the evangelicals and gun-nuts, but who manages to tone it down enough that he doesn't come across as a complete psychopath like Palin...THEN things might have been very different.
However, the balance of public opinion will have shifted by 2012, and that old dog of wedge issues, fear and xenophobia won't hunt anymore. The top rung Republicans, like David Brooks, David Frum, and George Will know that very well. It's only the knuckle-dragging foot soldiers of the party who don't. Who they put up in 2012 will depend on who wins the battle for the new face of the GOP. This is going to be a Civil War do-over! The Heritage Foundation has already deployed their phalanx of effete, pipe chewing professors to do the talk show circuit, and for the moment it looks like it's working. But they're not prepared for the asymmetrical warfare the wingnut values voters are going to wage when they send 5000 suicide bombers from the Liberty Baptist Convention to the 2012 RNC.
Oh god, Palin/Plumber... that'd be amazing. Talk about a completely empty ticket. Not a thought between them.
After all the muckraking from this guy standing knee deep in it, I am more than happy to wash away this like.
Joe will benefit from the man he said he's scared of yes the same man he pushed his way in to speak to and shake his hand. Never meeting or talking to McCain, Joe was announced by McCain as his best friend. Joe used McCain as McCain used Joe. Sarah was a left over. Now that McCain wont answer the phone and Sarah is doing interviews Joe see's another life line to some money. When this fades out Joe will come up with how much he likes Obama/Biden. People will buy Joe's three page book and Joe will be Sarah's running mate in the 2012 Presidential Election.
Welcome to Joe the Plummer's World.
Where the only vaguely attractive person is actually standing on the side while the other two perform.
"2 Men Caper, One Woman Watches"
I am sure that is a documented fetish somewhere...
BLARG! (why am I doing this to myself first thing in the morning??? Eyuuuh! lol)
“Some of the answers you guys are gonna receive — they appalled me..."
What were the answers I wonder
Grammar or substance required for that answer! This guy can just talk out of his A and the media seems to lap it up. (He does most of the time.) He doesn't actually say anything, he just gives soundbites that he knows the wingnuts will pick up and run with.
I'm sure we could power a small town with the hot air this guy produces.
Yes, I really don't know what he was intending to say there.
John,censorship is a slippery slope
the are not the same by a long shot.
"John,censorship is a slippery slope"
No it isn't. "Censorship" can be a very subjective term, and moderating discussion is not necessarily a negative thing, especially online. Trolls shouldn't be allowed to derail and have no first amendment rights provided to them on private websites.
Besides, you're using dual definitions for censorship with that argument, one that rightly refers to moderating any form of discussion, and the tainted definition that implies that one is almost propagandistically removing all discussion for ideological purposes.
That's either insincere, or ignorant.
Forget "Who's Nailin' Palin" - "Who's Plumbin' Palin" will be the next big thing in porn!
I'm sure he meant to say that Palin is the "rill dill".
Guhbye "Joe"...
But has it crossed many people's minds that this guy was a PLANT from the beginning?
That he was going to be used as a walking, talking Republican tool from the first time McCain mentioned him? That was my first impression when I heard "Joe The Plumber" - that this guy was part of the campaign and the stupid press would treat him like a "man on the street" every day "Joe", when he was practicing talking points for weeks.
I certainly won't call you on that! Anything is possible with those people.
The worst thing about The Joe The Plumber Sideshow was how it was so undiginified. The McCain campaign, in fine Republican tradition, found a lot of ways to make a mockery of our already silly at best and suspect at worst election process, but this man's 15 minutes was such a clear illustration of how little they think of our collective intelligence and the office of the president. Fortunately it appears that the American people saw the same thing as me and voted accordingly (not that this doofus' opinion was some sort of key issue, but you get my point).
You beat me to it.
Yes, I do think Joe is likely to have been a plant. It is clear that what has become of the Republican Party is a propaganda machine (among other unsavory things). I definitely do not put it past them to have planted him and to be using him as a means of testing and generating meme for their use in distracting and diverting the public and for destroying any good Obama and the Democrats will try to accomplish.
I actually think we need to keep our eye on Joe as a window into the directions the Republican Party is testing.
Nawww.... this guy is exactly what he seems to be, i.e. an incredibly dumb smartass who believes himself well-informed since he listens to local right-wing radio enough to spout appropriate phrases in nearly the right contexts. He's a parrot, like Palin.
Rather than "Joe the Plumber", I've taken to calling him by his real name, SILLY SAM. His name isn't Joe, and he isn't a plumber.
I've added the following prayer for his sister to my daily prayers:
"Please, Lord, may the next door you open for Silly Sarah lead to a nice, warm, dark closet where we will never have to listen to her voice again!"
Pissed off Patricia "Every time Sarah speaks we all feel smarter" The same goes for every time that Joe the Illegal Plumber speaks. We all feel smarter
Joe the Plumber was a plant to begin with, and as far as I am concern, he can either start is plumbing business or go directly to hell. The Republicans may be stupid and truly believe Joe is a plumber turned political superstar. However, in logical thinking, it is not likely you would put your life long dream on hold just because you confronted the would be president of the United States. As it stands, Joe has not picked up a pipe since he confronted Obama -- at least not a steel pipe. What is really going on?
Joseph
But I'll bet him, Jeffey and Karl laid a little
Palin/Plumber That's the ticket! Nothing like one opportunist taking advantage of another. Suggested campaign slogan: "Taking America Down the Drain"
"Circlin the Drain fur Real Amurkkkuh"
Moose Girl and Plunger Boy.
Stamping out literacy wherever they find it.
I'll BETCHA John McCain is feeling just as sick for unleashing Joe "I'm not really a plumber, but I play one for the McCain campaign" Swizzleknuckle on the general public. It's nice to see Sarah Palin consolidating the Idiot vote for 2012.
BTW SilentP, the proper phrase is that you could NOT care less. If you COULD care less, then it's not much of a statement is it? Just sayin'.
...now Sarah and Joe, if you'll just sign here, you'll be the stars of the new movie: DUMB AND DUMBER III!
I believe you intended to convey that you really "couldn't" care less.
"I will instruct my writers to not mention him again unless he's being frog-marched."
Twenty to one odds, we will see JtP boxing Tonya Harding on Pay Per View before the end of 2009.
I'd love to see her make him cry.
JTP (joe the plumber) is more myth than reality. more lie than truth. more fiction than fact. sam the unlicensed handyman is an example of all that is wrong with the political process.
but... here i go...
he was right. he first became "appalled" at mccain over the wall street blackmail package. and, he was right.
i would surmise that i vehemently disagree with nearly everything this guy sputters out of his mouth hole, but in this instance--and the root of his troubles with mccain--i think he was spot on.
the wall street blackmail bill might be one of the worst pieces of shit to come the road since the authorization for use of military force against iraq resolution of 2002.
Besides, I am sure the story is pure bullshit.
Joe the Plumber, McCain, and Palin are the embodiment of the old saying that "there is no honor among thieves."
i guess i shouldn't assume that JTP's reasoning was on par with what i would consider sound logic.
nor should i assume that it is true.
meh, i just shouldn't assume. ass-joe-me.
If his logic came from the entirely wrong reasons, and his alternatives were childishly ignorant.
Just because he comes off no smarter than any TV pundit does not mean that we should champion him. We shouldn't be paying those idiots either.
bwahahaha, champion him...
Thank you, Amato, for putting and end to the stupidity that is the inexplicably ongoing saga of Joe the Idiot Plumber.
I enjoy coming to this site and would hate to have Joe the Plumber postings come between us. I've had enough of this charlatan.
Well at least he provides humor. I laughed my ass off when he told the fairy tale about "grilling" mcsame. Hilarious! What'd he ask him? "How d'you like your burgers done sir?"
But seriously folks...
And it seems pretty clear to me the "appeal" of palin is limited to the dumb men who like dumb women.
Thanks John.
This guy has gotten far more attention than he deserves.
Can you imagine the I.Q. of any voter who, when looking for clear and concisive advice on who to vote for to become the leader of the free world, would seek the council of the guy who snakes toilets for a living?
We're talking single digits here folks.
Nothing wrong with the brains of people who snake toilets for a living--I just forked over $400 to one a couple of days ago--but there sure is something wrong with somebody who thinks “Sarah Palin is absolutely the real deal.” Yeah, she wants my uterus, she's the real deal alright...
I agree with Seagull-girl on behalf of my wonderful uncle who happens to be an excellent [fully licensed] plumber and a really nice guy to boot.
Hire unlicensed dumbazzes like Joe/Sam to do the dirty work like snake clogged shite-filled toilets for low wages while they do the stuff that requires skill and half a brain.
A real deal master plumber who runs his own business is someone who can juggle a lot of tasks and often have esoteric expertise that inform important parts of facilities development. Next time you are in a hospital, look up and take note of all the dizzying arrays of pipes carrying gases, chilled water supply, etc. This clown, Joe the Plumber, couldn't heat the solder of the professionals that organize, install and maintain this kind of critical enterprise infrastructure. It is deeply offensive I think to an important and skilled professional class to refer to this guy as a plumber.
after they'd conducted the most thorough, respectful and delicate tongue-laving of the region where, had she been more male, Condi would have had a prostate. Michele Kelleman is a tool, but she apparently doesn't mind the taste of Bush-shit...
It's not as if any Plumbers' Unions endorsed his views (or McCain, for that matter.)
...he's a liar and an idiot.
And like a friend said, "If I wanted to hear an idiot's opinion, I'd go hang out in a sports bar.
unless he is being frog-marched!
Good!
American needs the Wife Beater perspective and if we don't quote Joe the Wife Beater, I mean, how can we as a nation, really believe we are doing all we can to be inclusive. And what is the GOP today but inclusive? Of Klansmen. Of survivalists. Of end-timers. Of snakehandlers. No, we need MORE Joe and a lot more of the Wife Beater point of view.
Surely he'll call us all racists for not liking joe the plumber!
Nope...
Huckabee/Palin...
Hide and watch...
no doubt that ticket would give a perma-boner to the pseudo-xtians... but it leaves in the dark the more powerful, largely hidden, wing of the GOP: the ruling class.
"but it leaves in the dark the more powerful, largely hidden, wing of the GOP: the ruling class."
The GOP sure can't mask the ruling class under the guise of the snake handlers and exorcists, yup yup yup. Never happened before, not one bit.
instead of "in the dark" i should have written "out in the cold"
and no doubt, the GOP has fooled a'plenty. but, never assume that there aren't two wings to the GOP. one catered to before elections, and one the rules after.
your headline is misleading (as was Politico's), Joe the non-plumber didn't say that McCain appalled him, he said that some of his answers did. It's a rather small but important distinction. Accuracy does matter, right?
That said, I wish this loser would go away.
You're appalling to everyone Joe.
Anybody who thinks Palin is the real deal must be severely mentally challenged. In other words, a perfect candidate for membership in the Neocon club, where rational thoughts don't count and the members can't either.
He's entertaining! He's the GOP version of Jerry Springer!
I tell you...if you cant have fun with Joe the Plumber, you just aint tryin
(Joe) Even though we live in a free market society, americans should receive tax breaks for buying american. japanese and chinese products allow those asians to come in and take over our country and thats why internment camps should be reintroduced.
(non-Hannity interviewer) But Joe...isnt that a bit racist?
(Joe) Dont ask me...IM JUST A PLUMBER *turns to the camera and shrugs his shoulders*
*sound cue* Waaaa-Waaaa-WAAAAAAH *cue laugh track*
Typical repub, didn't know how he dirty he was til someone pointed it out to him.
His taste in women leaves a lot to be desired, I mean really take a look at her. She's a mutt. Has no indication of any intelligence except being a self-serving egotistic...well you get my drift.
I would like to see a exit interview, from Cindy. Tell us Cindy, what you think of Joe the plumber now? How long before he calls you a whore and a drug addict?
Instead of displaying all this self-indulgent indignation, which really does not help anyone, shouldn't we progressives try to have a dialog with this guy? Don't we believe our principles better fit with his needs? It's true he's not too bright and has been exploited by a party that does not care one bit for his well-being. Politically, wouldn't it be a coup for the left to have him come over to our side?
In a sense, he symbolizes the reason why the GOP has been in power for so long, the bad judgement of many red state white folk. I think we need to push forward with a grass roots movement to change these people. I think this will help ensure that we're in power for a long time.
McCain gave him a new "career". I, in turn, am irritated that McCain even brought him into this thing.
When's Joe's new album coming out? Isn't he supposed come out with a shitkicker music album? Ugh. Another Toby Keith.
I guess this guy is living proof the Stupid is as Stupid does.
Fuck Sam the nobody (or whatever his name is) I can't believe the media is so bankrupt that they are still turning to this guy. I can't wait for the indepth interview with Jeff Gannon on the success of the Bush presidency!
His name is not Joe, and he is not a plumber. He is the embodiment of the GOP therefore: hubris, lies, and misinformation.
He brings nothing of substance to the political discourse, he adds no value to our lives, he is just in it to extract whatever profit he can for his miserable life.
The sooner we flush this parasite the better, I say.
You betcha he wants to run after Palin. I can see them now running down the street - Joe with his plunger and Sarah with an rifle. Wait, wait they stop and look at each other and embrace. United we stand. We will destroy the country.
"I will instruct MY writers" 'My writers'? What do you own them?? Christ Amato, we love ya'. You don't need to be contiually pimpin' yourself here.
Maybe get out and play that sax a little more. There's a great jam every Monday in Santa Monica at that club on 4th. Hey the Jam at Cozy's (You know on Ventura) ain't bad either...I'll meet ya there, have a few pops and play. Get all that crazy self servin' malarky out'yo system.
Why stop reporting on our gal Joe. Every bit of publicity he gets makes him look like an idiot. Keep bringing him up.
Every bit of publicity makes him look like an idiot, and our job should not be to STOP him from looking like an idiot. Our job should be to DUCT-TAPE the entire Republican party TO this idiot.
While Wurzelbacher was critical of McCain during the interview, he had nothing but praise for his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. “Sarah Palin is absolutely the real deal,” he said.
He just wants to bang her.
Isn't that the truth.
But like every good republican no matter how bad he was appaled their was enough money in it to through all his morals, integrity and honesty right out the window.
Don't you just love to see these people taking the moral high ground while actually living in the gutter?
No more Joe the Plumber please! Stop torturing us and don't waste any more of our time on him, kindly!
Maybe I am a little picky but the "INSTRUCT" is demeaning and the possessive "MY WRITERS" made me cringe.
It is your blog and I guess you own the writers, but maybe in public you could prop them up instead of tearing them down.
I will ask the writers shows much more respect. That is how I would like to be talked to and about.
I respectfully disagree-This is John's blog, and if we want to participate on the message board,we need to obey whatever set of rules he lays down. Thats the way message boards work.
I wasn't asking to break any comment rules. I am saying that it shows disrespect to the writers by claiming ownership over them. I was saying nothing about the rules of the comment board.
You the the Plumber understands how he appalled me?
Who the hell cares what this moron thinks. This idiot loved the spotlight McCain gave him, and now that he's lost his 15 minutes of undeserved fame, he now hates McCain. This guy is like a damned poltergeist, why doesn't he just go the hell away, never to be heard from again. How pathetic are we as a society that someone like this demands press coverage.
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