Snap Polls: Obama wins CBS/CNN independents big time
By SilentPatriot Wednesday Oct 15, 2008 8:15pmWho won the debate?
McCain (R) 22
Obama (D) 53
Shares your values:
Obama, Before the debate: 54
Obama, After the debate: 63
McCain, Before the debate: 53
McCain, After the debate: 56
Who won the debate?
McCain (R) 31
Obama (D) 58
Favorable/Unfavorable
Obama, before debate: 63/35
Obama, after debate: 66/33
McCain, before debate: 51/45
McCain, after debate: 49/49
Even the Luntz focus group gives it to Obama:
Meanwhile, virtually the entire Frank Luntz focus group on Fox News, which was staged tonight in Miami, said that Barack Obama won the debate. Luntz termed it a "clear majority," but not one person raised their hand when asked if they thought McCain won.
Said Luntz: "None had made a decision to support Sen. Obama before the debate, but more than half supported him after the debate. It was a good night for Barack Obama."
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McReptile
This was like watching an adult debate a child.
I agree, McCain was definitely an adult, while the child next to him continued to do things children do, lie repeatedly about certain issues.
I know it's hard, but try to understand. Adults don't bemean, belittle, and condescend. I know, it's hard.
Does that mean the people that were outside the Republican National Convention this year, throwing bricks through windows, turning over vehicles are considered children by your thought process?
Also, What McCain is doing is bringing up valid issues, not being condescending.
Politically motivated violence is a completely different thing. I personally have never felt stronly enough to engage in it. But if I were black, maybe. If were a colonial living under British imperial monarchy, maybe.
No one criticizes McCain for bringing up valid issues.
Well then let me ask a direct question,
Do you think Ayers is a valid issue?
Do you think ACORN is a valid issue?
Do you think Reverend Wright is a valid issue? Obama said it is valid.
Do you think him stating in his own book that he wrote, "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites." that this is a valid issue to his character?
I believe his character and associations are valid issues, aren't McCain's? Aren't GWB? If things are valid issues for one side, they should be valid for the other side.
Had his ass handed over to him. If Fox can say McCain is the loser, the only real way for him to win is by outright voter fraud.
They should go back to paper votes. And abandon the electoral college system, its archaic and helped retards to become leaders of this country.
it was deliberately design that way to 'elect' GWB type people
GWB type people..........
what is this? I thought there was no segregation on the left, no racist comments. Wow, just goes to show, some people on the left say they are for everyone being equal but this is not really true.
being prejudiced against stupidity isn't anything like racism...
So it is OK to be prejudiced against so called, stupidity?
I think all forms of prejudice is wrong
Except for issues like Iraq, women's rights, political beliefs, etc.?
Lets examine this, political beliefs, it is the left that would like to re-institute the fairness doctrine, It is the woman's movement who is currently hanging one of their own out to dry. You must admit, if this was a Democrat woman VP pick, all criticism would be off the table. Iraq, well, the country is finally doing better, I have not agreed with every move, but things are looking up.
The fairness doctrine isn't as big an issue as the ownership issue in the media. Women are not hanging the hockey mom out to dry. She was never vetted therefore she requires special handling and protection because she makes a fool of herself all the time. A Democratic candidate would have been vetted and would not require protection from the big bad media. Iraq is a disaster being covered up and costing us our nations wealth. If McSame is the republican party they should start over, they are done.
Ownership issue? please do explain
Women organizations that are pro-democratic are hanging her out to dry,I have listed an example below from the NOW Organization.
"Gov. Palin may be the second woman vice-presidential candidate on a major party ticket, but she is not the right woman. Sadly, she is a woman who opposes woman's rights, just like John McCain.
The fact that Palin is a mother of five who has a 4-month-old baby, a woman who is juggling work and family responsibilities, will speak to many women. But will Palin speak FOR women? The answer is clearly No."
If this is not hanging her out to dry, then I do not know what is.
Iraq, well if you think it is a cover up, I obviously can not persuade you otherwise. Oh that wealth you are speaking of, we have been in debt for decades, we have no more wealth, the vast majority of our debt belongs to China. This is not a left or right issue, this, the debt of our country being owed to foreign entities is downright sad.
As for the wealth of our country being blown in Iraq, our wealth was taken away from us when the Federal Reserve Act was enacted in 1913. Setting up the central banking system that is backed by banks from other nations, including china, is why our wealth is gone. The fact that we buy so much foreign oil is taking our wealth out of this country. As long as we have the federal reserve we will always be a debtor nation. we BORROW our money from the federal reserve at face value and they charge us interest on it. The interest rate we pay for this money is known as the prime rate. Thats the rate banks pay the federal reserve for our money. The single most powerful man in the country is the chairman of the federal reserve, not our president.
As for womens equality, I have no problem with that. One problem I do have is with abortion. Roe vs Wade was and is a travesty on our nation.
sarah palin is a good pick for VP. I would have no problem with her as president of our nation if something happened to McCain, if he is elected. I think that it is very sureal that NOW is casting palin aside simply because she's not a liberal nut case like Hillary Clinton. So palin does not agree with everything that now wants in order to promote equality for women, at least shes in the big show now, give her a chance. shes got alot of moxy. NOW should keep thier mouth shut in trying to put palin down, and if more women would open thier eyes they would see that NOW is not helping thier cause for equality.
Bravo Davec and I concur.
The women's movement has never been about physical anatomy. It is about ideas. Sarah Palin, many believe, is being used by operatives (her husband, the Alaska Independence Party, and now the RNC). Her career does not appear to be based on ideas of equality for women. She does NOT represent the ideals of the women's movement because she allows herself to be so used.
I don't believe a woman of Palin's caliber would have ever been vetted by the DNC to run for office.
The problem with Iraq is that it sets a precedent that allows preemptive war against nations that do not pose an imminent threat. That's the problem.
As far as the security situation in Iraq, you don't have to be Gen Patton to know that if you put enough boots on the ground, you will suppress violence. It's what happens when you leave that counts. And right now, it doesn't look good.
By your statement, "The women's movement has never been about physical anatomy. It is about ideas. Sarah Palin, many believe, is being used by operatives (her husband, the Alaska Independence Party, and now the RNC). Her career does not appear to be based on ideas of equality for women. She does NOT represent the ideals of the women's movement because she allows herself to be so used."
You are saying she doesn't have the intelligence to see if she is being used or not? Just because she does not agree with some of the ideas of the women's movement, like abortion does not mean she should be cast out. By this fact, it is appalling to me that an organization says, well you are a woman, but, well, just not the right woman. Makes me wonder if Hillary would have been picked to be McCain's running mate, what would have happened then.
Let us not forget, Congress approved the war in Iraq, GWB did not just send people in there on his own.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-naif/todd...
I believe the difference here is they never linked the person running for office, Obama is running for office, not Palin's husband.
I do not think any of the candidates significant other should be brought into the campaign, it should be on the people running, their associations, backgrounds, etc...
What makes a person a democrat, republican, member of the federalist society, member of ANY group? It's the ideas, not who you are. I was a member of the Tuskegee Airmen, even though I am white. it's about the ideas, not your physical nature. There are exceptions of course. I probably couldn't join an Indian tribe.
was based on the threat of WMD. Once it was determined there were none, I believe the Congressional intent was achieved, and staying in Iraq is in violation of congress's intent.
Ok, I can go with this statement to an extent, but if this is true that it is a violation of congress's intent, then why haven't they gotten a pull out yet? It is well within their means, the Democrats have the majority in the House and Senate. They can easily just stop funding it if they so choose and a pull out would be achieved.
If the vast majority would like this, why hasn't that been done? GWB himself could not even stop congress if they decided to stop funding it, but the majority in congress continue to do so, figure that one out.
I can't believe that anyone was suprised not to find WMD when they gave several months notice before looking for them. If you tell a drug dealer you are going to search his house for drugs in 7 months I bet you would not find any in his house either.
Could you help me find the racism and/or segregation in the comment, please ? For those of us without the skills of a tea leaf reading gypsy it just looks youre making stuff up.
When someone uses a term as "GWB TYPE people" They are in fact trying to single out people who they think are like GWB, what is the definition of a GWB type person for instance?
What if someone would have said, Obama type people, would that be offensive or is that an ok remark?
Listen...John.
Don't even try to draw the FALSE equivalency that the "left" calling out peoples stupidity and willful ignorance as being anything REMOTELY like segregation.
And I'm not sure how calling a group of morons, GWB type people is racist, seems to me it's pretty fucking accurate.
So, pull your head out of your ass, get showered, and have a nice hot mug of shut the fuck up.
So much anger,
I would never call you moron, or an Obama type person. I may disagree with you on policies, but really, name calling and cursing?
So let us examine this, you are saying GWB people = morons
so if you put anything like Obama = ( insert here) then you are in fact making two distinct groups of people and segregating them into those groups. I hope I brought enough explanation to the subject, if not, I would be happy to give more examples, and please calm down a little, there is no need for name calling or cursing.
I wish you guys would get it right. Voter fraud is when the voter votes illegaly. Election fraud is voter suppression, caging and changing or not counting votes at the polls. Voter fraud is a right wing talking point.
And what has ACORN been doing for Obama, oh yea that's right.... He definitely had to throw them under the bus
As I understand it, ACORN accepts signatures from just about anybody. That doesn't mean that these signatures are valid, and ACORN doesn't claim that they are all valid. But initially they accept all signatures. Then the signatures must go through a validation process. That is what is going on in Ohio.
So you are you saying that the federal government would raid and seize ACORN facilities across the country for no reason?
No. There is a reason: Bush told them to do it. Just like they prosecuted Gov. Don Siegelman for no reason other than politics.
So you think it is a right wing conspiracy then and ACORN has done nothing wrong? Seriously?
I didn't use the word conspiracy. No more than it was a conspiracy to hire and fire DOJ attorneys based on a religious and political litmus test. It is policy, that's all. The party in power tends to use its power to its political advantage.
As far as ACORN is concerned, if they broke the law, they should be prosecuted. But let's also look at voter suppression tactics, and use the same level of law enforcement in that arena.
Seriously, how could Obama just let the Palin vs. Biden softball sail by?
Just take a look at her laughably short biography -- http://tinyurl.com/3ol7fb
Being the executive of less constituents than your average House Member doesn't equate to the competence to run this country.
People in America really need to wake up, Biden, Palin, and McCain all have more experience then Obama.
After 143 days in the senate he decides to run for the most important position in the country, and people are going for this, hook, line, and sinker.
He(Obama) does not have the experience for this position. I also have never seen so many news organizations in the tank for one candidate before.
It will definitely be a sad day in America if this man, with his paper thin resume becomes President. I can not stress enough, we do not know enough about him, he gives a great speech, but that's it.
Where are his medical records? where is his college papers? why won't he release and open up certain aspects of his life to be examined?
It's vision, temperament, and character. Obama, has accomplished more in his short political career than most politicians on the scene today have in the same amount of time. You think it's easy getting into Harvard? You think it's easy being elected President of the Harvard Law Review? You think it's easy getting elected and being effective as an Illinois State legislator?
Quit being such a bigot and hypocrit.
Palin's resume is full of inflated cronyism. And you want her to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency? That is irresponsible and unpatriotic.
How do you know Palin's resume is full of inflated cronyism? Have you read it? Do you know things that other people don't know? We are not comparing Palin to Obama, we are comparing Obama to McCain and on that alone, McCain does have the edge on Experience, this fact can not be diluted.
Another note, Obama said he wants change but he picks a running mate who has been in congress longer than McCain, how is this change? His own running mate said that the Presidency does not lend itself to on the job training, HIS OWN RUNNING MATE speaking about Obama. His own running mate said he would be honored to run as McCain's running mate if he was ever asked. These are facts, go back and look at the democratic debates.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/electi...
Again, the Constitution does not require experience per se, that was a wise decision. It's the combination of experience and judgment.
BTW, biden was talking about the OLD McCain, not the McCain that has changed course on so many issues and some of his earlier principles.
The difference is you posted things on Palin and not McCain, how about a comparison of his and Obama's resume?
John, you're not very bright.
Have you have seen my IQ scores? I would think not, so I am sorry to tell you that you are surely not correct in regards to your statement posted above.
I heard, and this is only talk, that Obama's birth certificate could not be found in hawaii. i would like to know that he is an american born citzen. I would also like to know where all of this money his campaign is getting has come from. he has raised over $390 million since he campaign started. I wonder if some of this money came form some muslim backed entity.
God, yes - I was flummoxed. The CW is that when you're ahead in the polls you don't rock the boat but come on - telling it like it is does not necessarily equate to going negative, and Obama should have told it like it is, which is that the pitbull/hockey-mom/Alaska-seeing/sessesionist/witch-doctor believing/plain-old lying hot-ass milf is in no way qualified to be the leader of the free world.
In reply to calling someone McReptile, this comment is very immature, please grow up a little
McCain's behavior has been disrespectful, condescending, erratic, temperamental, egoistic, smirking, eyes-rolling constantly, angry, belittling, untruthful, dishonorable, unpredictable, inconsistent, disorganized, ...
Some of us use terms like McCan't, McF@ckwad, Mc(fill in the blank) just as a short hand. It takes too much time to complete the objective description. I'm sure you understand.
So if I used these same exact terms in a manner of speaking but replaced Obama's name instead, would I be a racist?
Calling people names is very immature and hurtful on the left and the right. I am sure you would not want to be called any of these things, I respect Senator Obama, but it doesn't mean I have to agree with him. If you disagree with someone that's one thing, at least try to be respectful about it.
The words I used are behavioral. They indicate observable, recordable, documentable facts.
Name calling, I agree, is wrong, unless it accurately describes a person's temperament, behavior, or manner of treating others. The video, audio, and written records about John McCains temper and intolerance speak for themselves.
Three strikes and your out the Fat Lady has sang.
Obama won all three Debates now it's time to vote.
Oh, and by the way...
IF YOUR PLUMBER MAKES A QUARTER MILLION BUCKS A YEAR, YOU SHOULD FIND A NEW PLUMBER!!!
That MOFO is overcharging you!
Joe the plumber might have been a McCain plant. It's funny how McCain had all those talking points down so soon after that Joe the plumber thing hit the airwaves.
It's more likely that he already had those talking points ready, but referred to "joe six-pack" or "small business owners" in the notes. He probably saw an opportunity to make Obama look stupid and took it by substituting "Joe the plumber" for whatever he had in his notes.
Obama won the debates according to news media outlets who are in the tank for him, except last night, where even fox said he won. I personally think he lost last night, I think he would have lost the town hall debate if it hadn't have been moderated by someone so far left.
Let the people pick and ask questions, not a moderator.
for the country, the next three weeks are going to be hell with the attacks on Obama's character.
Count on it
Yeah, and the worst part is we're also going to have to again hear much more of Miss Sarah's shrill voice, screeching also about Ayers and also ACORN, etc. again.....
Can there STILL be so many undecided voters a this point? Are people that numb?
AOL is split 47% 47% !!!!! lets not be too cruel about AOL subscribers :)
Ok lets. If AOL had a cable TV news show, it would be for people who found Faux news too complicated and liberal.
Drudge is 76% for WcCain 25% for Obama, did they diebold the results and switch them round we ask ourselves...
A tie is a huge thing for Obama
like piles of shit?
..and your point is?
that's typical for drudge. You are right, that's a good example of how polling (or voting) through computerized software programs can easily be hacked.
FOX is in survival mode now. They 're trying to appear impartial. They see the handwriting on the wall. Dem White House and big Dem majorities in both houses of congress. they're about to be marginalized big time as Americans thumb their noses at their reich wing propaganda at the polls.
FOX's new mottos: "Nevermind" and "Me too!"
and 'baby bell' all the media conglomerates away from their MIC owners.
Yeah, and I can't wait to listen to Rush and Hannity tomorrow on the radio. Limpballs is gonna' have a coronary and Sean's head will explode.
McCain was an angry old man. He wanted to reach across the table and smack Obama........he really did.
Obama took the high road, and it will pay off.
to roll back tax cuts for the rich. Second is regulate the Energy Industry which has been killing us the past 8 years.
Those two acts alone would save this country from ruin.
2nd, go after BushCo for high crimes, misdemeanors, war crimes and crimes against humanity and we'll be well on our way to regaining respect in the world.
...ok 3rd, just get it in there somewhere.
A little midnight trip to Syria?
Damn staight, LAC! Those 2 things would go a great distance to putting us on the right track.
Old, crusty, white bread, toast.
It's all over for McBlinky-Eyes now.
If you ever listen to that fake body-language lady Orally has on his show almost every night - blinking/fluttering of the eyelids is an indication of prevaricating = McGoo is a liar!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/picture...
The BBC seems to agree
Online Presidential Debate Polls:
CNN http://www.cnn.com
CBS http://www.cbsnews.com/
MSNBC http://www.polls.newsvine.com/_question/2008/...
Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-daily-...
NBC4 http://www.nbc4.com/index.html (Beneath the debate photo)
AOL http://news.aol.com/
Time.com http://www.time.com/time/ (right column, below fold)
Q13 Fox Seattle http://www.q13fox.com/pages/main
Cincinnati.com http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081015/N...
NYDailyNews.com http://www.nydailynews.com/index.html
ABC local http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/feature?section=n...
Newsday.com http://www.newsday.com/
Star-Telegram http://www.star-telegram.com/elections/story/...
WFTV.com http://www.wftv.com/surveyresults/17725715/in...
AJC http://www.ajc.com/ (beneath main photo)
Kare11 http://www.kare11.com/ (middle column, a little down the page)
Local 10.com http://www.local10.com/news/index.html (beneath the main photo)
Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/ (right column, below the fold)
Rocky Mountain News http://www.rockymountainnews.com/polls/2008/o...
Drudgereport http://www.drudgereport.com/
Fox News http://elections.foxnews.com/
Any other candidate might have taken McCain's bait and gotten drawn into a heated exchange on many issues. Obama didn't - and made the point that he is the most level-headed candidate. McCain played his hand the best it could've been played, but it was still a losing hand if his opponent played it decently. Obama did. Although I think Obama could've nailed him on the "I hear the same things from opponents at my rallies" crap. Barack could've decked him on that: "Excuse me, John, but nobody at MY rallies have called for YOUR death, or have said 'Off with his head.' " He touched on it, but if he would have pursued it, he would've sunk McCain's campaign right there. Obama's one cool customer, but if he would've shown just a little passion, McCain would be dead in the water right now. It would have been game over.
Shows that you are immune to impotent ravings from Repug loons
I was stunned when McBush was confronted about the freaks at the Palin rallies who yell, "terrorist" and "kill him" and Palin ignored them. Right after Obama said this, McCain's first words were, "I'm proud of the crowds at my rallies." Huh? Proud of the knuckle draggers threatening his rival's life? What an ignorant monster!
Is McCain hard of hearing? What doesn't he understand about '95% of the people will get a tax cut under my plan'.
I think on that one, Obama would have like to have said, 'John, are you hearing impaired or just plain STUPID'?
Obama was clear, concise, level-headed, and adult as he always has presented himself.
McCain looked like some sweaty angry old guy trying to make a point and having a hard time because unfortunately he was his own worst enemy.
I still can't believe McCain went there regarding Ayers. You would of thought he had better sense than to try and put that on the table. What a jerk....
John McCain Flushes Away Your Health Care
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=4026
It was like watching Ellen Burstyn in "Requiem for a Dream."
http://media.www.uahexponent.com/media/storag...
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Some of these cues include: pupil dilation, increased blinking, shorter responses, speech errors, increased pitch, more negative comments, "levelers" such as "everybody" or "nobody," making immediate comments or responses, and of course, inconsistencies in story. In other words, if someone is lying, he or she may blink a lot, stumble over words, and answer questions very quickly all within a short conversation.
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How does WcCain score against this ! LMAO
I said damn McCain is blinking like crazy.
Here, you may need this: (_Y_)
Well, hell, you got a free source of that?
because I think this "race" is all but over. But we're going to see some unbridled racism and hate in the next few weeks from the 20%ers.
Post debate gossip:
Sources say, John McCain was heard snickering and rubbing his hands together, repeating, "Ha! Finally, I've got him right where I want him." Passers by assumed he was a crazed street person.
McCain's blinking and Sarah's winking. Maybe audience members are throwing sand in their eyes.
Yup, John McCain buried himself, by trying to go for the jugular. His rabid fans implored him to, and he obliged.
He couldn't resist trying to push the Ayers connection. And here's the problem with that. He brought it up; Obama explained it calmly in some detail; and McCain was left with nothing better than to defend two weeks of ads on the subject by saying it really needs to be talked about.
Well then... why didn't he tell us something new about it? It was his big chance to drop the bomb. If he had a smoking gun, that was the time to reveal it.
But he had nothing. Now its all out there. If he had something important to tell us about his suspicions that we didn't already know, why didn't he say it?
Because it's nothing but air. And now everyone knows it. Except the die-hards that can't see past their wild-eyed conspiracy theories that they've spent so much energy cultivating.
Wifey always used to mutter about DKos orange and got confused between them and the C&L colour scheme.
Now she can observe different colours.
Speaking of Dkos, they've got some good caption contests going on over there.
and give Obama the progressive victory he deserves. Now, if we can only figure a way to keep the Texans out of here!
Well, after McCain's gloating that the Arizona Cardinals beat the Dallas Cowboys on national TV Texans might not feel quite as loyal.
Hey, hey! We're busy trying to kick John Cornyn the hell out of the Senate, so we're not EVEN interested in coming to Colorado. Unless, of course, we were interested in lowering our intelligence (WOOOT!)
now that's an oxymoron!
McPalin was all over the board on issue, and mostly didn;t really answer the questions and just did his norman pit-bull attach on the repeating of lies about obama and Aires, Obama and Acorn Obama raising taxes for those makeing $40,000 a year when tha]e answer ws a lie but mccain stuck with his lies hoping to oass them off for truthl''
Soryy about my spekking and diction and we had dinking bouts over asnswers...I;ll be opaying dearly tomorrowl
my opinion, Obama 68% mcpalin 38 perent.
tomorrow;s assessments will be interesting. It;s; noon here and I have been drinking and hooting with fellow Ex-pats all morning about this debate. DAMN THESE Drinking Games. I;ll pay tomorrow big time.
Later folks
It was a hoot here,as well.
Dude, I understand. A poll at my place: Obama - 28%; McCain - 11%; Corona - 61%!
As much as I am very happy about tonight's results, I am scared about what Palin and McCain have unleashed in their stump speeches. It's going to be a rather ugly three weeks ahead.
McCain didn't even apologize for the behavior of the crowds tonight. He just wrote it off as "not knowing what anyone is going to do in the crowd".
That also shows he's not the type to take any responsibility.
Well to be fair, McCain heard some unspecified things he didn't like at Obama rallies, particularly some t-shirts with something unspecified on them that he didn't like. So you know, that's kind of like having people yell Kill Him and Terrorist, maybe.
And yes, the Right is making a big stink about that. But even those T-shirts didn't call for Obama's life. They even didn't compel anyone to have their cars or houses vandalized. Furthemore, they didn't even drive anyone to be shot. All of those cases happened with Obama supporters.
So, those two comparisons are galaxies apart--no matter how anyone feels about Sarah Palin.
Obviously I wasnt serious... it was absurd. I just thought it was funny he didn't specify what was so equally abhorrent that he heard at the Obama rallies. In other words... he's got nothin'.
perhaps,maybe, I think I heard,hmmmm,I'm not sure, ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
not a leader of people or voters.
One of things that made me angry was that he asked Sen. Obama again to repudiate what Rep. Lewis was saying. And then, he screamed about being called a racist.
All I can say is that the shoe fits, with his body language and demeanor.
on the whole thing was .........batting parctice. Obama fouled off the stupid stuff and gave the fans some balls in the stands. It wasn't even funny. i so hoped it would be. But,there ya go.
Since you made the baseball analogy, I just had to make sure the long-suffering fans in Philly were rewarded tonight for the excellent
reception they provided for Miss Sarah at the Flyers game. The booing worked - they heard it all the way out in L.A.
continued it.....My Rays will kick RedSox ass and take on your Phillies!
NIIIICCEE sports analogy!!
Thats a big indicator. I pray to dog we win this.
dog, god whatever, not a beleiver, I;m what I call "non-delusional"
there IS a Santa Claus
No there isn't; I visited Saint Nicholas' grave in Ireland. The Jolly Guy is dead dead dead. (Yes, I'm such a positive guy...)
Owned
Wed, 10/15/2008 - 21:23 — Anonymous (not verified)
Had his ass handed over to him. If Fox can say McCain is the loser, the only real way for him to win is by outright voter fraud.
They should go back to paper votes. And abandon the electoral college system, its archaic and helped retards to become leaders of this country.
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Wed, 10/15/2008 - 21:26 — ferrofluid (95 days) (not verified)
it was deliberately design that way to 'elect' GWB type people
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Election Fraud
Wed, 10/15/2008 - 21:41 — ron
I wish you guys would get it right. Voter fraud is when the voter votes illegaly. Election fraud is voter suppression, caging and changing or not counting votes at the polls. Voter fraud is a right wing talking point.
was put into the Constitution to counteract 'the retard vote' It worked until Criminals used modern means to steal an election.
Please don't use the word "retard." It's as offensive to those who have a mentally challenged family member as is the word "******" to black persons.
the person before Me said'retard'. I responded in kind. I don't use slurs of any kind in my daily verbage,nor concider anyone less a human being than myself. I used that person's verbage to make a point.
Sorry - I wasn't as observant as I should've been. You're right, as your quotations showed. Thanks for clarifying this, as well as for being sensitive to this issue.
Now we all can sleep. be well.
Thanks David. Good night.
It's "verbiage".
"Verbage" is something that spews out of Sarah Palin's mouth.
Moral of the story, if you can't decide who to vote for president by now, you should forfeit your right to vote and kill yourself for being such a dumbass.
Republicans are idiots, but at least they are decisive in their stupidity.
to get me back to my condo. who know wher my vespa is.
eom
I know i will.
I'm feeling a script treatment coming on: Dude where's my Vesta?
life in the zones. We had he best hashish I have ever toked upon tonight. I would have guesed it wa opium.
Enjoy your field trip to the frontal lobes Bob and stagger home safe.
Party on, dude!!
Bi Bon, Bi Naun...
Its midnight here, Bob, and I'm on my way to being hammered myself. Good night and good luck!
The fact is that MCcain brought nothing to the debate except for hatred and personal attacks. You can actually notice that the number of idiots thinking that MCcain won the debate falls right into the margin of republicans that would support a republican candidate if he was selling canned shit. Obama simply made his case to solidify his constituency and win independent voters.
Thanks for listening to Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Hannity, Mccain. You did what they consider a succesful debate, even if it has zero content.
'.....right into the margin of republicans that would support a republican candidate if he was selling canned shit....'
Thanks for the late night laugh. That's about all McSame was selling tonight!
I think that Mc Cain lost because he is not fit to run this country. We had for the last 8 years a D student president. We do not need another one with the same policy that will be a repeat of the same. A war prisoner does not make you a great man. My father was one and never treated anyone like that.
Mc Cain is a joke because he is against women right to control their own bodies or does not give them the right to earn the same that their men counterpart.
OBAMA 08, from a 64 years old white woman
just to clarify so you don't make a judgement based on misinformation - McCain is not against a women's right to control their own body. McCain is opposed to the fact that the Supreme Court made legislation - that is beyond their scope of authority. The Supreme Court is to make decisions based on the constitution and legal fact. Legislation should be left to the legislators and, in McCain's mind, to individual states to vote on and mandate per public voice.
All women have the right to earn what men earn. That right is guaranteed under the constitution. What women need to do is enforce their rights by demanding and negotiating for what they want. Women can not sit on the sidelines and whine about what they are not getting.
I still would like to see them put on boxing gloves and go ten rounds. I would pay a hundred doobies to see that!
lo vederò tutto più successivamente, può richiedere alcuni giorni, ma rinvierò, amo questo luogo ed amo tutti voi la gente. ciao
to your friends. Just get a taxi and arrive in one piece.
I agree - you're too valuable to us to put yourself in danger. Get a cab and sleep in tomorrow. Sweet dreams, Bangkok bob!
I hope you're still here. I've seen you on here before. Please read my response above. Best regaurds. D.
Thanks, David. I posted my humble response above.
If someone is still undecided after all this time give these idiots a wide path. They are idiots or liars.
I vote 'both'.
Obama knows exactly what he is doing with his campaign and is running it on his terms. Mccain just has too many voices in his head telling him what to think, what to say and how to say it. A vote for Obama is a vote for Obama. A vote for Mccain is a vote for all of the puppet masters running his campaign who would be running the country (shudder) if he would win.
McCain brought out all of the lies that have been proved as lies that all the right wing radical pundits have been repeating over and over again. He doesn't understand why he lost because he doesn't know what is the truth.
I thought mccain did well when it came to "Joe Plumber" and talked about taxes and businesses. I think he did better than BO on taxes. But on the rest of the debate...it was pretty boring. Didnt seem liek anyne had a leg up on eachother.
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