Alleged 9/11 Masterminds To Be Tried In NYC
This is heartening news, and goes a long way toward breaking the culture of fear by bringing these men into our midst. Yes, I assume the security will have to be stringent, but there's something to be said for bringing this trial home:
Khalid Sheik Mohammed -- the self-proclaimed mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks -- and four co-defendants will be tried in federal court in New York instead of a military commission, a federal official said early Friday.
Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, accused of orchestrating th e bombing of the USS Cole when it was docked off the coast of Yemen in 2000, will be tried at a military commission, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the decisions have not yet been formally announced by the Justice Department.
The long-awaited decisions on prosecution, part of President Obama's quest to close the military detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, do not affect the vast majority of the 215 prisoners held at the prison. The decisions come on the same day that White House counsel Gregory B. Craig, a key manager of Obama's Guantanamo Bay policy, is expected to announce his resignation.
[...] "I am absolutely convinced that Khalid Sheik Mohammed will be subject to the most exacting demands of justice," Obama said. "The American people insist on it, and my administration will insist on it."
Glad to hear we're making a step in the direction of a civilized democracy again.
Forgive my naivety since I'm not a lawyer (though I've seen 'em on TV) - and I'm not trying to defend Mr. Terrorist here - but wasn't this guy waterboarded a few hundred times? Doesn't that pretty much get your case thrown out? I'd bet if he had Johnny Cochrin as his lawyer he'd get off on that fact.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
agree with you Mr. Git
Your naivety forgot to mention that he admitted to his crime before he was waterboarded. He was waterboarded to find future attacks. All this talk about his case being thrown out is...what's the legal term? Bullshit.
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I'm sure you're right. Either way it's all good.
Cheney won't recall any of this.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
"He was waterboarded to find future attacks"
You are wrong:
He was 180 times waterboarded for selling a Story. Hiping Alqueada Bin Laden and Saddan Connections.
I am just waiting for DICK'S reaction to this Trial.
He is the MASTERMIND!
him off the hook? Nope.
1. How can he get a fair trial in NY?
2. He was tortured, anything they say against him is suspect.
3. He should be tried by an international court
4. Death is too good for them. Makes SAINTS out of them!
5. They need to be displayed!
Fri, 11/13/2009 - 16:39 — Stupid Git
I'd bet if he had Johnny Cochrin as his lawyer he'd get off on that fact.
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But would he get off on oily tits?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Appropriate
The criminal should face the music of those he harmed
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
If this slob is the "self-proclaimed mastermind" of the Trade Center disaster, WHAT THE F. is all this mishegas about Bin Laden?
How many fking "masterminds" are there?
Super-duper effin masterminds.
They have degrees in terrorism from Intl. Terror Univ.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
one of these masterminds was given the designation of being "the" mastermind.
Now they got a new mastermind since the previous designated mastermind has been unavailable.
Amazing what a little waterboarding can do.
Glug glug - poof. A new mastermind. Self-described. Even better.
Just a small point, but is this the only picture of him that exists?
No. I googled. It is the worst picture of him. Must be a coincidence.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
If this slob is the "self-proclaimed mastermind" of the Trade Center disaster, then let him be tried at or near the trade Center.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
would be difficult since the Trade Center is now a boat or something.
They're too DANGEROUS to be allowed into this country!! What if they escape? What if they convert their guards? WhatifWhatifWhatif???
Since I refuse to go to the ranting rightwing sites I don't know what they are saying about this, but, I'll bet my neighbor's truck that they are calling President Obama all of the vile names that they love so much. Traitor, soft-on-terrorism, etc.
Well, they better simmer down or their heads will explode the next time they're called upon [never again i hope] to guide us through the next disaster when it happens.
proven totally dysfunctional as legislators
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
All the people really understand.
These terrorists are actually superhuman. Like the Fantastic Four only they are the evil anti-heroes.
One can see through concrete, another can convert into a gas then back to a solid, and so on.
You see, GITMO is like the only place where these guys can be held. GITMO is like a magic castle.
It all makes sense if you just consider the
comic booksreal-reality.I hope this helps?
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
yes. thanks Hanypants.
That plus their Republican Comic Book Fantasy that all Muslims are going to turn into radical zombies just the way all Republicans have turned into radical zombies.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I'm pretty sure this guy drives cab.
Actually you must be right:only a super..let's say "villain" for appearances sake..could withstand upwards of 200 water boardings.
Heck I'd give up my Grandmother if they threatened to throw a glass of water at me.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
I got a ride in his taxi from West 63rd Street down to Katz's Delicatessen just last Thursday.
I knew it.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Idealistically it's good call but as a practical matter it ain't , I just think they have opened a big can of worms . These trials are going to be a circus and just imagine if one of these guys gets off and walks away on some legal technicality . An inviting target for an attack too , could not be a better place and time . Security is going to have to be massive .
Unless they bring in jurors from another country - the outcome is predictable.
The fact that this will be a show trial on a massive scale doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.
I hope they get life-without parole but we are the leader of the free world and the best example of western civilization so we'll likely kill them.
UGH!
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
But they may get a chance to appeal, but only if they have a real case.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Doesn't the prosecution of this individual have that little torture issue to hinder any hopes of our grabbing for the high ground? Whatever did happen to his children that we grabbed to also coerce him to "confess"?
Do you really mean enhanced?
"that little
tortureenhancement issue""I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
:P
water boarded him. He is accused of participating in a crime. He should be tried for it. However, water boarding is a crime, too, so Bush Co. should also be arrested and tried. This is what will cause much controversy. Just watch.
like the bill of rights, when someone's rights are violated (torture, no speedy trial, no access to legal counsel, no presumption of innocence) we DO owe them dismissal of charges no matter what they did. It happens. These guys were in our custody and they suffered egregious rights violations, allegedly.
me-oww!
Morally, you are right. Legally, not so much. He was an enemy combatant, and the rules that apply to that classification were all made up, as was the classification itself, by Bush Co. lawyers, like Dougie Feith. The law is not the least bit sentimental. A hard lesson to learn, but it's better that way. Logic and justice should prevail in court rooms, not anything even slightly resembling religion. I don't even like using a Bible to swear people in. Will they use a Koran in this case. do you think? This is going to be very interesting.
Then just don't use one. Simply affirm...
Study the symptoms not the virus...
should be used in a court of law. Everything should be secular. Everyone should affirm.
... but to some it means more to use a special book for ceremonial or whatever reason, and I'm sure some of the "traditions" and "common laws" that followed with our earliest settlers were embedded here as well. Literally... I believe it's inappropriate in a public/state owned building but... As long as they tell the truth, they can use a Sports illustrated for all I care.
Though it will become a problem someday when somebody is not allowed to use their holy/folly book and rightfully so in a secular nation, or so the WARS... will continue...
"Keith Ellison was elected to Congress, a Muslim and when he was sworn in they used the Koran that Thomas Jefferson had in his library."
Study the symptoms not the virus...
The 9-11 act really has no precedent in case law, and there's no guarantee in the Constitution that one will be released.
Speedy is a relative term, just how speedy does it have to be?
But any evidence derived from torture might be problematical, but even that's open to interpretation since up to at least the 1960's confessions were often beaten out of prisoners, and cops are experts at rationalizing violence as being covered by their procedures and training.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Evidence elicited after the fact and obtained by torture shouldn't be admissible, and it may not be relevant at all. They can't just say he confessed, as he can recant for the obvious reason. So the good evidence has to be about events before the act. I wonder what the actual charges will be? That will give an indication of the evidence they have. I'm psyched. You?
That the Bush regime wanted to keep these guys in legal limbo indefinitely,precisely for those reasons.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
If they are tried in NYC, NYC will be a a target for terrorist. NYC is a terrorist target Monday thru Sunday. The right wing will find any excuse to attack this administration. Tweety was claiming today that they could throw out any evidence because Mohammed was waterboarded. But he never brought up the fact that he admitted his crime before they waterboarded him.
Seems like the only people with a problem with this is the people outside NYC who are conservatives.
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Ya.
NYC is a terrorist target anyway. Doing it anywhere else will just unessesarlily create another target.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
a New Yorker, I would prefer he be tried in the South Pole.
I was thinking they should be sent to an Alaskan prison for life.
The cold slows their super-powers so it is safer.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Ya, but that's after the conviction. I would send him to the penal colony on Siti Prime if i could.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Fri, 11/13/2009 - 17:24 — Handypants
I was thinking they should be sent to an Alaskan prison for life.
The cold slows their super-powers so it is safer.
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And play them tapes of interviews with and speeches of sarah palin?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
He should share a cell with George Bush. Til (natural) death do they part.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
really. OK. I always though the criminal was brought to the scene of the crime to pay for their deeds but i'm not from NY so i'm not qualified to say either way.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
"...he admitted his crime before they waterboarded him".
Do you have a link to prove this?
If a drone kills a child in Kandahar, do the crying parents make a sound?
I don't usually link to things. My brain collects things. Here's another link in my brain. Remember the first Trade Center bomber in 1993. The guy with the lazy eye? He was tried in NYC. Convicted and his ass is still sitting in jail. There was no terrorist attack. To this day there is no jail break. You can link to my brain if you want.
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Six in Guantánamo Charged with 9/11 Murders: Why Now? And What About the Torture?
"Noticeably, both KSM and Ramzi bin al-Shibh bragged about their involvement with 9/11 before they were captured. In April 2002, al-Jazeera journalist Yosri Fouda was granted an exclusive interview with the two men, and his report featured the following passage:
"They say that you are terrorists," I surprised myself by blurting out. A serene Ramzi just offered an inviting smile. Mohammed answered: "They are right. That is what we do for a living."
Summoning every thread of experience and courage, I looked Mohammed in the eye and asked: "Did you do it?" The reference to September 11th was implicit. Mohammed responded with little fanfare: "I am the head of the al-Qaeda military committee," he began, "and Ramzi is the co-ordinator of the Holy Tuesday operation. And yes, we did it."
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
He said that "terrorism" is what he does for a living?
That alone makes no sense.
It makes him out to be a schmuck who goes to the office from 9 to 5 to think up terrorist stuff and collect his paycheck on Fridays. It cancels the idea of the jihad motivated idealist.
What in the world is going on?
Maybe that's what it was.
since the information started coming out and the only confession I recall that may have happened before he was waterboarded was after his children were threatened with toture.
I'm glad they assumed it was an AC unit... allowing me the time to get out of the city. A "terrorist attack", indeed it was. Susie, residing in NJ may be able to offer an opinion as to the fact, it was, or was not, a "terrorist attack"? The days that followed... now there's your facts. Please excuse me if I've misunderstood you.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
under duress
9/11 and torture are two separate issues and events.
And yet 44,000 people a year are killed by the "Health Insurance" corporations.
When can we expect to see those CEOs and execs on trial?
Oh, yeah; IOKIYAR!
how many did we kill in Iraq and Afghanistan?
"I am absolutely convinced that Khalid Sheik Mohammed will be subject to the most exacting demands of justice," Obama said.
What are the "exacting demands of justice"?
A fair trial? Doesn't sound like it.
Sounds like they're getting the needle cleaned up and ready.
Hypocrites, and bull shitters.
He's gonna get a tattoo?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
...to publicly and fully voice my opposition to the death penalty in all actual and any hypothetical cases. Thank you.
Me too. There is just no reason for it.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
So you prefer a slow death by decades of imprisonment?
And the odds are it'll be solitary confinement, or the other prisoners will kill them.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Ya, but even in solitary one can atone, while the rest of us go safely on about our lives for a small "maintenance of souls" fee.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Embarrassed by my species
Only if it's immediate. You really don't think a man that admitted to planning the killing of nearly 3000 Americans doesn't deserve to die. I'm not a big proponent of the death penalty but if a man admits to planning of 3000 civilians regardless of what country or nationality, well....Should we have tried and let Hitler live?
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...yes. We should have tried him and let him live. I don't care how many they killed, or plotted to kill, or had a hand in killing, or made military plans that ended up killing, or dropped a bomb that killed, it's really all the same. Killing them for their crimes is just as wrong. Even as there are many, many societal reasons to not kill as punishment, I'll just say this; killing is wrong, no matter the reason.
The death certificate of executed prisoners still says homicide. It is state sponsored murder.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
So you're pro life and anti abortion?
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Stop playing a BS "gotcha" game. I regard feti and blastocysts as part of a woman's body until birth. As such, it's none of my business. Just like I support the killing of cows to make me hamburgers and tacos. But the killing of people, humans, out of the womb is wrong, and, as a member of a society, I have a severe problem that killing is sanctioned on the state level. I understand that soldiers and police sometimes kill to protect themselves; they are given no choice, therefore it is not a moral failure. The killing of a prisoner, who could, as often happens without incident, be held for life in prison, is a choice, made easy not under the guise of justice but vengeance. True, I'd like to see abortions reduced, but I'd rather we spent a lot more time and energy on sex education and making contraceptives free and easily obtainable than demonizing what women choose to do with their own bodies. However, the same people who are anti-choice are those who are against these ideas as well. I'd also rather that cops and soldiers never had to kill anyone, either, but it's the world we live in. Just as I make no moral judgement on the men and women who pass and carry out these sentences; but we, as a society, should be better than that.
At lease I won't. Did you know that biologically, a fetus is considered a perfect parasite? That nature gave them pudgy little bodies and big round cute heads so they would be attractive to their mothers? At least until they hit their teens.
To sum up. Killing is wrong and because you killed my wife/husband/child, I'm going to kill you, because killing is wrong.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
a confession to a crime does not prove the confessor committed the crime
in 99.9% of the cases you are wrong. People do not admit to a crime that they did not commit. Really? How stupid does your statement sound? I understand progressiveness but that's just a stupid statement.
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but so do people who admit to crimes they did not commit for varying reasons.
all 00.01% of the cases ya, they think it's stupid too, just like the rest of us.
So it sounds stupid to everyone then. did we misss anyone?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
.01%
based on belief.
but then again, that is why we have a trial, to test the veracity of the claim being made.
Ya, that number needs to be determined...
For now i guess all we have is the enthusiastic admission of guilt story for what it is worth.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
and what i want is a fingerprint, an email, a piece of gum, whatever that provides more color on the association, especially after all these years of smoke and mirrors
absolutely.
At this point it looks like the admission of guilt occurred prior to the alleged torture conducted by Cheney.
It remains to be seen if the man is still of sound mind and body, fit and ready to stand trial, or if he has suffered irreparable injuries to his body or his mental capacity.
every admission of guilt that happened after the very first water boarding might have to be declared inadmissible, regardless of the level of brain damage or if brain damage occured at all.
All the evidence gathered by the Bush-Cheney "torture for confirming evidence" program may be admissible.
Either way i think the trial will be based on evidence from before the defendant became Cheney's punching bag.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Young Turks: Stop Please
I did everything you've said!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wHpy3XEldg&fe...
Ya, the Turks video is good - but didn't he admit to guilt from the very start?
He could simply be proud to be guilty, like the legend on the MSM says - possible - likely.
Or he could be exaggerating - possible.
Or he might just wish he were directly involved but he only played a small part - remotely possible.
Or he might just wish he were involved but he isn't in the slightest - not very possible, but if it were true Cheney wouldn't recall.
Or he may have been bribed or/and threatened to motivate him to lie about his involvement - but what are the odds that really happened?
Cheney not withstanding. Cheney doesn't recall any of this.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
another gump-ism
I think it's on record that this defendant wishes to make it perfectly clear that he is in fact guilty, and not making some kind of plea.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Of coarse he could pull a Cheney and just not recall anything.
Cheney won't remember any of this.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Luis' statement is the progressive version of Bachman. Let's deal in reality. Let's not be like THEM. Oh my fucking god. This is stupid.
is intended to be a factual statement
do not exist, and have never happened in the history of the united states
--a gump-ism
Never said they didn't. See above, I left out that .1% for reason. But of course you ignored that to make a point.
leaving facts out.
--a luis-ism.
is intended to be a factual statement
a gump-ism, which is the same as making opinion appear as fact.
considering that we have never really heard the details behind these confessed claims, at least not in an open forum for the testing of the veracity, don't be so quick to be dismissive. that is the only point i would like to make.
an eye witness is trustworthy, and several eye-witnesses prove the truth
As long as they aren't a bunch of skateboarders.
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are not trustworthy, and that 10 different witnesses can have 10 different accounts of the same event.
This has all the trappings of the final engine start on the rocket that will send rethuglicans to mars. This is basically the US-Based WAR CRIMES TRIAL of GEORGE W. BUSH !!! YEAH !!!! Bush's complete incompetence and his teams stupidity are going to be exposed for all to see !! HAR..HAR..HAR...
The best result here could be for the US-BASED court to find them NOT GUILTY (won't happen, but)...This will FOREVER convict GEORGE W. BUSH OF WAR CRIMES which he so richly deserves.....
If another crime (torture) is a matter of record from any of these trials . . .
Lawyer:
"Your honor, if it pleases the court, charges should be brought against anybody responsible for torture or the order to torture."
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
came after the fact of 9/11. The trial will be about what led up to the attack. It will be about who caused the attack. Any evidence about what Bush Co. did or didn't do is irrelevant to this case.
I always dream . . .
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
I want to see Bush Co., and especially Cheney prosecuted. In public.
This is a country of laws, up to a limit.
He looks sinister here but he has a long beard and a beatific aura in the pic on Yahoo, like an Old Testament Prophet filled with the 'grace' of zealotry- people would do well to connect that look with savagery. Of course savages have many poses but this is a good one with which to familiarize ourselves.
It's not a picture of Khalad, it's a picture of Rosie O'Donnell in the morning after a long tequila night. All kidding aside, this will be the messiah's downfall. Want to bet?
Waddya bet they'll be sniper attempts?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I got 5 says so!
audit-prosecute-incarcerate
double says there's an attempt and he misses.
is intended to be a factual statement
... says no. :P
Study the symptoms not the virus...
And I thought you were a Gitanes guy.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The only place where the guy will possibly be outside of an armored vehicle or a secured building is getting off of the plane. But they won't fly him into a commercial airport, especially since they'll be moving him from Guantanamo Bay- he'll be flown aboard a military aircraft to a military base. And don't be surprised if he arrives in the US the same way he arrived in Gitmo- in a shipping container.
So while there might be a lot of idiots out there who want to take a shot, no one will get a glimpse of the guy.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
When they have to let this clown go.
1: Civilian. Can't be triad by a military tribunal(court).
Which brings up a whole ton of shit about Boosh and Cheney and why our military was sent out to Afghanistan and Iraq.
Because some civilians attacked us.
This might open the whole can of worms. It should.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Both were upset that the president wasn't consulted on the matter.
Brooks thinks the act was an act of war. Shields thought that the decision was already made at court level.
My gut tells me that it was a crime against humanity but an act of war? And will this give the enemy the publicity they seek as Brooks believes? I think, just the opposite. The trial, if treated as a conspiracy and the hysterics left out of it, can have the effect of showing the character of these men. They are evil. They weren't protecting mankind with their act. They weren't stopping an evil empire. They were simply making a statement. And they killed a lot of people doing it. That to me is not an act of war.
Should it be tried in NY?
This is where part of the crime took place. They have adequate facilities. They have had trials such as this in the past and did a fantastic job.
We have to have faith that the people of New York can allow for the justice system of democracy and can deliver a true verdict. I think the people of New York can. They are strong. They're intelligent. And they believe in this country.
Jeanne
Make everyone concentrate on this trial and Bush Co. can go slinking off into history. If one gets tried, they all should get tried. Cheney, especially. And Rove for conspiracy. And the rest of the Neocons, and anyone else who profited from Iraq. And of course, Bush.
They did more damage to this country and the world than anyone else but in my heart I know that they will probably go slinking off into history. They only thing in our favor is that history will crucify the Bush administration. A few years from now, Rove will be hiding from his past. Cheney will be running hell, but that's ok....it will keep him busy. Bush...well Bush will remain oblivious.
Jeanne
Cheney wouldn't dare. I will personally buy him a ticket to Spain, as long as he goes there.
F*ck noes!
You f*ck noses?
You gotta tiny pecker then.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
... I am more of a dog/cat person myself.
All he has to do is show up, and he's under arrest. That's not just a dream, is it?
... I just think the f*cker has a pact with the devil and knows he is protected. He would unleash some sort of evil plague or some such to the poor spaniard! Who have suffered enough as it is...
country. France okay with you?
... however, I am willing to bet no European leader wants to be in that position, and I doubt they are willing to endure the sh*tstorm that would ensue. Esp. since at a basic level, such an international action would mean that other countries have to do our primary job as a democracy... for us.
Euros are very pragmatic.
Or we can just send him to Brighton Beach. Close enough.
They might have to let him go.
Unreasonable amount of time without charge.
That twit the DC sniper got his trial and sentence long before this clown even gets a trial. And the DC sniper committed his crimes long after Sept 11th.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Gitmo.
Hey, I don't like this.
But, he was supposed to get a speedy trial.
He can't get a fair trial.
But technically, he should walk.
Blame the last administration.
I'm no lawyer. But I don't think anyone's rights can be suspended.
The last admin, left so many get out of jail cards that even a layman could make a good case for release. I know it'll never happen. But again, technically, he should walk.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
remember, and he was, in essence, a POW. Bush Co. had a name for them that eludes me at the moment--wait here it is-enemy combatants. They don't have any rights at all.
He should have had them.
The guy was not a member of any viable military.
Therefore, he's a civilian.
I don't think this guy was picked up on a battlefield.
Just wait to see what this fuckers lawyers do. They'll snooker the courts.
Not to mention the cruel and unusual punishments(torture).
It's entirely conceivable that this fucker can walk away from this.
Actually, it's not a bad strategy. They'll follow him. I know that this all sounds absurd and Perry Masonish.
But if we're a country of laws.............
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Do you think Bin-Laden will retain counsel for him? And if they didn't now consider him a civilian, he would not be headed to criminal court. Bush Co. made up the enemy-combatant category and made up the rules for it, too. He had no rights until now. And they start to run, now. I'm not making this up. Talk to Dougie Feith and those guys.
yessirree Bob.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
appointed by the court. And they will probably be American, and from NY. You do want someone representing you who knows the law under which you are being prosecuted, right?
The US lawyers will line up to take this. And they'll do it pro bono. They will not be court appointed. not a chance.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
However, the cost to the defense is going to be very high, so who will pay if the court does not appoint the lawyer? Or at least pay for the defense. All these little issues have to be dealt with.
The 4 guys who were convicted for the bombing of the world trade center in 1991 are in prison and nobody really cares where he is. One was tried by a guy from the legal aid society.
There was a mountain of evidence and they were convicted.
Jeanne
exam. Older and more experienced lawyers do pro bono work for the Legal Aid Society, and not just young or inexperienced ones. And some put their names on an assigned counsel list and work for an extremely reduced fee paid for by the court system. Lawyers may make good money, but they are, in many states, required to do some work for free. Free does not mean bad.
A legal defense fund set up. And the money will come from Saudi Arabia.
ok I'm done. snooze time.
I got up at 2 am this morning. jet lag.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
The concept of cruel and unusual punishment kicks in after one has been convicted of something, not before. I believe it is more like an assault or a battery. Or, apparently, murder in some cases.
But this will be a trial like no other in this countries history.
Both you and Jeanne are probably right.
But this is a case that will draw out some lawyers who want to make a name for themselves. Lawyers doing what they do and all. And I'm not talkin lawyerin.
Lets put it this way. I wouldn't be surprised if some lawyers jump at this opportunity.
I do think you guys are probably right. He'll probably get a court appointed lawyer(s).
I just think that some up and coming hotshot lawyer(s) will take this case pro bono for the notoriety.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
full force. But they won't be footing the bill for the expenses associated with the case. I expect it will be tried in federal court, and not state court. Regardless, the tax payers will be paying for this.
The tax payers will get the shaft on this.
If for nothing else, the court costs.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
the defense.
You're probably right. But, I still think some hotshot lawyer will take this on pro bono.
I'm done. I have to work tomorrow. I'm still not over the jet lag.
cya laters.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
We all know it's really the Glenmorangie.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I believe will show a conspiracy before Bush administration tried the tactics it pulled. It was collected before the Bush administration tortured it out of the dependents. Anything collected during and after is probably useless. But what do I know...I'm not a lawyer.
Jeanne
Logic will prevail in court, no matter how people feel about it all.
You've raise another reason that they may have to let him walk.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
... the US can't afford to set free to this dude. Because it would then be a tacit indictment of our country and our foreign policies fore the better part of the past 3 decades.
Not, gona happen.
All I'm sayin is, technically, they should.
Not a snowballs chance in hell.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Whatever happens, I trust, truth, justice and the American way will prevail. Any takers?
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
backwards around the planet and make all of this go away, especially the Bush years. Thanks.
As I've explained so many times since I first saw that movie at the age of 7...
Ahem! It wasn't that he was making the Earth spin backwards to make time reverse, he was flying very quickly in a pattern that allowed him to overtake himself from a relativistic standpoint, causing him to move backwards in time as long as he maintained the speed. The Earth appeared to spin backwards from his vantage point, because he remained linear as he moved backwards through time. Or at least that's what I tell myself. And the people on the streetcorner. And my therapist. *sigh*
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"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Too hairy!
Do masterminds suffer from mental masturbation?
Oops. Sorry. Thought it was "Caption this"
and all we got for it was a lousy jackass, that looks like a drunken goat with a bad case of back hair to match...
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