Joan Walsh Asks the Question on People's Minds: Does Wingnut Talk Lead to Murder?
By Susie Madrak Thursday Jun 11, 2009 10:00amMake no mistake. Muslims created this atmosphere where hatred of the Jews is okay and must be "tolerated" as a legitimate point of view. The shooting today is just yet another manifestation emanating from that viewpoint--another manifestation of the welcome mat that Muslims rolled out for fellow anti-Semites of all stripes to no longer be afraid to come out of the closet.
- Wingnut blogger Debbie Schlussel.
Aren't you tired of listening to crazy, hateful people treated as normal and even credible every time you turn on your teevee news? Yeah, me too. Joan Walsh talked about this delicate subject on Hardball last night: Yes, people themselves are responsible when they pull out a gun and shoot people - but do we really need television talking heads whipping them up into a frenzy?
And why is it that the right wing is so eager to blame music and movies "from liberal Hollywood" when kids who do crazy, violent things, yet people who are indoctrinated with year after year of Fair and Balanced Wingnut Poison are somehow invulnerable to its effects? Don't think this ended with von Brunn's capture yesterday. There were far too many people sitting at home watching the news and cheering him on.
If there's a through-line between any of these acts of terrorism and the right-wing rhetoric that abets it, of course, it's the one linking Bill O'Reilly to Scott Roeder, the man who murdered Tiller. O'Reilly more than demonized Tiller; night after night he called him a baby killer, compared him to the Nazis, and suggested that he must be stopped. Roeder stopped him, all right. If I were O'Reilly I'd feel terrible for putting a private figure in my public sights night after night, simply for doing his lawful job. But O'Reilly has no conscience, so he's proud of it.
And there's clearly been an uptick in rhetoric suggesting that white men are having their rights abridged by the Obama administration, especially since his pick of Sonia Sotomayor for the Supreme Court. In a debate with Buchanan a couple of weeks ago, he told me that what was happening to white men was exactly what happened to black men — he didn't give me any examples of lynching — and that it was open season on white men. Wealthy Sen. Lindsay Graham suggested an average white guy like himself wouldn't get a fair shake from Sotomayor, and now even the new face of the GOP, Michael Steele, has said the same thing. If I were a marginal, unemployed, angry, racist white man right now, I'd be hearing a lot of mainstream conservative support for my point of view. Can that help create a climate for more violence? I don't know. I hope not, but I don't know.
What should happen now? Ironically, a great example of the right-wing echo chamber's bullying came when they managed to smack down the release of a Department of Homeland Security report about the rise of right-wing extremism. Judging from the right's rhetoric, you'd have thought Janet Napolitano was suggesting rounding up Rush and his dittoheads and putting them in an old Japanese-American internment camp or something. But in fact, as Susan Page explained today on "Hardball," the calm nine-page report merely looked at warning signs for extremism, based on history: They include a prolonged economic downturn, the demonization of immigrants, the election of the first black president, fears about losing the right to own guns, a banking crisis inciting age-old paranoia about "Jewish cabals" and the return of many veterans to the States suffering from PTSD and other conditions while getting insufficient care.
Presciently, the report said the top perceived threat was a "lone wolf": "White supremacist lone wolves pose the most significant domestic terrorist threat because of their low profile and autonomy — separate from any formalized group — which hampers warning efforts." DHS, meet James von Brunn, whose wife divorced him because of his hatred, racism, paranoia and violence.
But the right-wing echo chamber went nuts about the report. Rush called it "crap," thundering, "There is not one instance they can cite as evidence where any of these right-wing groups have done anything." Rep. Michele Bachmann crowed: "To me, it looks like the extremists are those running the DHS." John Boehner called it "offensive" and said, "Unfortunately, Secretary Napolitano still has a lot of explaining to do." Newt Gingrich harrumphed that "the person who drafted the outrageous homeland security memo smearing veterans and conservatives should be fired." And Rep. Peter Burgess said Napolitano herself should "step down, and let's move on."
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it's pretty damned obvious.
Wingnut speak is killing me.
but pissin me off bigtime.
Next bushtard I run into that mouths off about Obama, socialism, or any of their other BS hatespeech...I'm gonna get in their face.
Read 1984. Instead of 15 minutes of hate, you get 24hrs on every channel.
twice, and IMHO, we are in no way in as bad a situation, YET, as the people in the book.
We would not be able to discuss such things if we were.
From an Alternet piece on hate crimes and domestic terrorism from June 2004. (http://www.alternet.org/story/17514/america%2...)
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The crimes are all right there in front of Joan's face and the faces of the FBI, the CIA and the Justice Dept, and especially in the PDB's.
Napolitano's negligent dismissal of hate crimes -against anyone but a Jew?- appears to be a unanimously common but deadly perception.
Um, someone once told me that if you hear it or see it, it becomes an idea in your head, and those ideas become actions...I learned that in my daughter's confirmation class and they were talking about sex.
So if hearing those wishes for violence becomes an idea to do violence, then it follows that those ideas will become acts of violence.
So how about some abstinance from violence training in these Christian outfits?
All of those commentators are in the influence business...that's why they are on the air, whether they do it responsibly or not. It's about persuasion and influence. Yeah, they DO have something to do with the violence.
for complete censorship that I have ever heard. It is also one of the most important reasons I had for walking away from the Catholic church about forty years ago.
when one person in a group (especially adolescents) kills him/herself, there are 'copycat' suicides. Especially if the act is highly publicized.
I expect the same can be said of terrorism, domestic or otherwise. when Dr. Tiller's killer was praised by so many, its reasonable to expect more to pop up.
Wingnuts are liars. That's all anyone needs to know.
They know their rhetoric leads to violence. They don't deny it because they believe it's not true. They deny it because they lie about everything and never take responsibility for anything.
Wingnuts are liars. That's all anyone needs to know.
But not only are they liars, they are dangerous liars.
...David Neiwert's evil doppleganger? You sure seem to have it out for him.
To John?
Amended: Now... To make some sense of this... I did. :P
It's not a matter of relativity.
I've yet to hear a single right-winger put forth an argument without lying.
I personally find it hard to believe that they believe their own lies.
I was raised to be a racist, in the most racist town in
Missouri, FULTON MO. I believed those lies until I joined
the Army and ate, slept, shitted, and bled next to the so
called n______s. I found out they were working people like
me and that the real evil is the corporate rulers who
divide us.
Those right wing haters that are continually insulted here
are working people too. Just very misguided working
people. So the big corporate masters are winning, and
winning HERE, of all places.
you know better than that.
good folk" when it comes to framing the wingnuts... insofar they start shooting people.
As soon as bullets start flying, I am sorry... I no longer see the perpetrators as "the victims." When it is liberals who end up doing the dying... their bulltets and our insults are not the same thing, not by a long f*cking shot.
Totally agree! But not all wingnuts are cappin' asses
are they? Hmmmm? C'mon Tyler.
As soon as one of them opened fire, and they are not doing a damn thing to address the violence coming from their ranks... I am sorry, but the wingnuts lose the benefit of the doubt.
So no, I don't particularly agree to someone trying to equate someone saying some nasty words about the people who have literally declared open season on liberal causes, that is in any way shape or form even remotely equivalent to a wingnut killing another innocent person to make a political point.
..still totally missing the point. I can't reach
you no matter what I say. I am not equating
insults with bullets, and to say so is fucking
bullshit.
You are projecting just like Leftandleft, are you two "working" on something? LOL!!!
it doesn't mean I missed it.
And BTW, who the f*ck do you think you are to assume you can teach me about anything?
You are the person trying to say we are no better than these degerate wingnuts just because we use "harsh words" to describe them.
I am the inter dimensional all being master of space and time. I am also a precinct captain in Missouri's 3rd Congressional District, I collect old books too, and I can play "Ain't Misbehavin'" on guitar.
Also reaching is not the same as teaching.
..to when I was in 5th grade? There's a "situation" I'd like to correct.
Ya wanna do your teacher?
showed up in the stupid Chron article about incendiary speech. It could ahve been a good article but the author was pretty lazy. It ends with equating "I wish I could k____ Dr. Tiller" with "Rumsfeld is a war criminal, shame on you, shame on you!"
I see a huge difference.
and don't have an agenda that defends the wingnuts....
So that is why you see the difference.
How do you support your remark...
"because the MsM and the American culture of racism and violence and consumption have programmed them"
As it pertains to individual responsibility?
Thanks
I can't no one can. My thesis is that hating them isn't
productive, in fact destructive because it feeds the division.
Problems have root causes. Identify and rectify. Obama is
the best medicine this country could ever have. The cure is
bound to cause some discomfort. hence the rise of hate
crimes.
Identify and rectify
________________________________________
So your solution is to go all rectal?
post a vid ysb!
Youtube down.
I'm think of starting one of my own, You-hoo.
keep you out of trouble with the chocolate flavored beverage?
"Problems have root causes" I could not agree more! If ya get a chance, review my comments... I believe it was on the eve of President Obama's trip too Caro? ♥
A reasonable commenter who is using critical thinking.
Let see... in mine, when I look up "reasonable" it doesn't say it being a synonym for "kissass"
The first rule of "projection club" is don't talk about "projection club"!
The second rule of.....
about you.... LOL.
Anyhow, I see what you are trying to do here... so cheerio. I have seen where you take this movie in other threads.
(to your credit, you learned not to link crappy passive aggressive links... so that is an improvement, I guess)
as a compliment. I hope I'm right.
In ending, I was attempting to amend my previous comment but was unable, so here goes...
I might have said cause(s)? and thanks just the same.
That's a syrup,
Dont'cha mean Cairo?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcdozdARtHQ&NR=1
Thanks for pointing that out... You devil :-P
http://www.google.com/search?q=Obama%2Ccaro+&...
So much for cut-N-paste...GIGO :p
Should have used my handy dictionary.
Cai·ro 1. ( kº“r½) The capital and largest city of Egypt, in the northeastern part of the country on the Nile River. Old Cairo was built c. 642 as a military camp; the new city was founded c. 968 by the Fatimid dynasty and reached its greatest prosperity under the Mameluke sultans (13th-16th century). Population, 6,205,000. 2. ( k³“r½) A town of extreme southern Illinois near the confluence of the Mississippi and Ohio rivers. It was named after Cairo, Egypt, because of its similar deltalike setting. Population, 5,931.
American University in Cairo 1. 866 United Nations Plaza Suite 51, New York City, NY 10017; Private; 3,084
The Klansman who happens to be a policeman, The bank loan officer who fucks over minorities institutionally, the absolute racially fucked up criminal justice system that I working in daily is all because of the manipulative corporate rulers.
I guess racial culpability is like math.
Corporations need to keep us divided. Otherwise who would they get to fight one another while they go on doing what they always do.
Killing us off and making billions off our deaths.
It's just that some folks enjoy doing volunteer work.
that the guy that attacked the JCC hated Bush, Neocons, O'Reilly and Jews. Who was he listening to, Rev Wright?
because absent the fact(s), for which you've unfortunately failed to provide... I can not surmise the accuracy of your comment at this point in time.
You honestly believe the [old unstable man] and alleged murder or as you say "the guy" was listening to "Rev Wright"? Is that what your implying?
If your statement(s) above are true... then I'd be more in favor of implicating someone like Alex Jones or the guy that Connecticut recently hit with charge(s)... the one NJ police arrested, you know "Hal Turner"** what do ya say?
In ending, all-in-all, it's just hate no mater the excuse(s). If you'd like... show me the links, otherwise it's a moot point to me, because in the end... we're all responsible for our own actions thanks.
**Thursday June 04, 2009, 8:04 PM
by Mark Mueller/The Star-Ledger
"Hal" Turner [ http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/nort... ]
Did you happen to get your facts and or allegations from [politico] by any chance?
Please don't disregard the alleged killers "True beliefs", which very well could explain the inconsistencies from a POLITICAL perspective!
From what I've learned... I'd describe him primarily as a Ron Paul admirer, tarnished by the rhetoric of lets say maybe... an Alex Jones or Hal Turner type. Kinda like a free loving [libertarian] with a chip on his shoulder and gun in his pocket. Just a hunch? :P We know how combative those patriotic folks like to be! Though I understand... to contemplate would be taxing. ;)
See: [ http://www.dailypaul.com/node/96072 ]
PS. The only thing most of these nuts are afraid of is HELL!
is possible, that the guy was just trying to bring Obama and his beloved Rev back together.
"In a racially charged interview, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright said that President Obama hasn't spoken to him since they parted ways last year, because "them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/10/wr...
I would suggest you contemplate the theory of a famous Franciscan friar, William of Ockham. √
While watching Morning Joe I came away with this question, why was this story barely mentioned and I mean barley. While all the other networks had in-depth coverage on this story, Morning Joe apparently didn't find this story important enough to cover.
Now folks, ask yourselves this question, if it had been someone from the Middle East who had committed this monstrous act; The Morning Joe crew would have been all over it and at the sometime interjecting that Cheney was right; they would have rushed to bring his daughter on air to ask her for her opinion; but apparently White Supremacist murdering a guard and attempting to murder others is barley worth reporting.
I guess when Joe Scarborough said he was worried we would get attack under President Obama he didn't expect it would be from his neck of the woods.
The real question would be...
Why were you watching "Morning Joe"? They don't care if you agree with them or not, if you're watching them, you're supporting them.
...was shot while he held the museum door open for the elderly man who simply pulled out a rifle and fired at him.
I hope the man survives so that he can spend the rest of his miserable life in jail; death is too easy for him
At the age of 89 I read that he is in "critical" condition. Which means he's probably in ICU on a ventilator. I would bet he has a host of black, Jewish and Catholic doctors, nurses, lab techs, EKG techs, respiratory techs, pharmacists etc. trying their best to do their jobs to save his sorry life.
the irony would be he wakes up to find a black nurse taking his temperature rectally.
was informed upon regaining consciousness that his transfusions were supplied by a black female ACLU lawyer.
a black jewish lesbian ACLU lawyer
"First black woman rabbi set to be ordained"
[ http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/reli... ] :P
care is totally in the hands of GW hospitals' diverse healthcare professionals...Hope this man recovers to end his life in prison with many of the ethnic people he professes to dispise....Guarded by the same....
I hope everyone wishing him misery would only do so in the hope that he sees the errors of his ways and not just as revenge...
that's fuckin messed up...
Wouldn't it be just like attending one of those Neo-Nazi or Ku Klux Klan rallies? Until the hate radio and the hate "news" are taken off, I don't think we can really feels safe.
Don't you mean Palin Rallies
Why yes I guess I do. Those were some scary things to behold.
another LONE wolf. yeah i'm tired of it.....i'm tired of the ongoing violence.
and you'll feel a lot better. I guarantee it.
Evet, that the ones who really need to turn off the tube, ain't gonna.!
I never turn on the TV except to watch a Netflix movie. I thank C&L for the pertinent news clips. I'll spend my day outside gardening and listening to the birds. Besides watching old "Tarzan and Jane" flicks, etc., I find that gardening is about the only thing I can find to do where my mind isn't constantly reminding me of how F'd up the world is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_5sD_7I0ts&fe...
Not Tarzan and Jane movies that are THAT old!!! I watch the cool Johnny Weismuller? ones where he meets Jane and she stays and they have "Boy" magically etc.
You're so silly.
I've been watching the Adventures of Tarzan past week with Elmo Lincoln, and his second Jane, Louise Lorraine. You saw Enid Markey (I hope) the first, in Tarzan of the Apes.
In Adventures, insurers insisted Elmo have a stunt man, he was so big. Frank Merrill was that stunt man and developed the vine swinging, and even played Tarzan in two later silents, Tarzan the Mighty and Tarzan the Tiger. The funny thing is there are no tigers in Africa; they're found in Asia.
Before Adventures of Tarzan was one of the best jungle-men, Kamuela Searle in Son of Tarzan, as Korak the Killer. I own a copy of that too.
Lincoln was about 31 or 32 in the Adventures of Tarzan, and I read while filming they celebrated her birthday, she turned 16.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvH9Wusugmw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9O3Nm430qs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHQ0L4fRsAo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNGXdw2_6DM
And this is how we go round and round... round and round. :-/
Thanks, Susie, somethings take longer then others to figure out. :)
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/11/spfpa-hol...
apparently officers in the von brunn shooting are members of a union that were pressing officials for
protective vests due to anti-semitic remarks made toward museum guards.
last night the talking heads were all about should we limit free speech because it apparently incited this idiot to do what he did.
why? all that you have to do is bring back the fairness doctrine that was eliminated by reagan. obama did say some time ago he was not going to do that but look at what that decision has done.
phone your reps and demand a return to the fairness doctrine! now!
wingers are going to use this as an excuse to regulate the internet and then there go the blogs as watchdogs of democracy. Just watch.
Already one newsmodel was bringing up how the Internet makes it "so easy" for these nutjobs to find each other and egg each other on.
what if the net set him off?
We know he had a computer and a website. Maybe he was like Evet and does not watch TV.
... the chance of finding an 89 year old watching TeeVee are orders of magnitude larger than finding him or her surfing the net.
I tend to go with probability when making up scenarios.
interaction.
You tend to go by guessing based on your own personal experiences... or else I'd like to see your probability algorithms. Probability would state that an 89 year old man would not go into the Holocaust museum and try to shoot guards. You're wrong often Tyler, maybe you need to check your equations again...
a computer and a website and posted on blogs, he was obviously computer literate. And my aunt that passed away last year was around the same age and got most of her news off the net.
Gawd. These talking heads just sit there and spout "what can we do about this?"
Well the answer is SO OBVIOUS!
REINSTATE THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE! GET THESE DANGEROUS VIOLENT BLOWHARDS OFF THE AIR NOW!
Free speech my ass! This is hate speech plain and simple!
The Fairness Doctrine is only for Republics or Democracies...
Not Corporate Oligarchies.
Perhaps then making your country back into a republic would be a good first step. Perhaps enforcing the laws you got would help, since making new ones don't matter if you ignore the ones you got.
here is the latest on the saviours nominee for the supreme court.
you know, i wanna believe in obama but he keeps stepping on his own dick. does he do this on his own or is he being mislead?
http://jonathanturley.org/
You just wish you were so well-hung.
Somewhere, these guys got the idea that the illegal use of force can be justified if it helps you achieve a political objective. If your political goal is worthy enough, any means is justifiable. Even murder, torture, rape or war. Now where did these guys get their inspiration?
Assassin:
as·sas·sin n. 1. One who murders by surprise attack, especially one who carries out a plot to kill a prominent person. 2. Assassin A member of a secret order of Moslem fanatics who terrorized and killed Christian Crusaders and others. [French from Medieval Latin assassºnus from Arabic ¡/a šš³šºn,pl. of¡/a šš³šhashish user from ¡/a šºš hashish]
Notes: At first glance, one would be hard-pressed to find a link between pleasure and the acts of assassins. Such was not the case, however, with those who gave us the word assassin. They were members of a secret Islamic order originating in the 11th century who believed it was a religious duty to harass and murder their enemies. The most important members of the order were those who actually did the killing. Having been promised paradise in return for dying in action, the killers, it is said, were made to yearn for paradise by being given a life of pleasure that included the use of hashish. Hence, the name for the secret order as a whole, ¡ /ašš³šºn, “ hashish users. ” After passing through French or Italian, the word came into English and is recorded in 1603 with reference to the Moslem assassins.
PS. I believe you left out religious, in your first sentence? Thanks
i've been feeling pretty pissy since the latest wave of wingnut-fomented violence began, but your debbie schlossel quote made me bust a gut laughing . . . are right wingers suffering from personality disorders that render them pathologically incapable of taking responsibility for their words and deeds? or have i simply slipped through the looking glass?
Hell, Joe is to busy shamelessly promoting his book. Not only on his own show which is bad enough, but I see him popping up on other shows and MSNBC news. Enough already.
It has always been, if it bleeds it leads and f*&$! media promote these reichwing a-holes in the hope that this very thing happens. Otherwise people like O'Reilly, Limbaugh et al would not have shows or would have been reigned in by now. If you spew the bile these mofos do it will stick somewhere. They are to partially to blame, no question.
people spew back at them and then they say "see I told you again those Liberals (or whatever)can't take their own medicine blah blah.
It's become Big Business.
Sheesh they'd be looking for another job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ-3zuafXDU
I mean it's considered normal now that people spend half their life "tuned into a video screen"? When not eating and sleeping and working.
a [Theodore Kaczynski] quote. Interesting, so your point? Never mind... thanks anyway.
These Republican lunatics LOST the election, now they're out there committing and ramping up their right wing terrorism.
The odd thing is you never see anything. Except for a few tattoo etched jerks driving down the street once in while guzzling a beer heading to wherever the hell it is they go. I don't see platoons of Wingnuts except at the yearly civil war reenactment on the news. The liberals are sipping lattes at the upscale parts of town.
We've gone from Horserace elections to WWE commentary.
Yes, violence can be incited by just one person. By just one idea. I know alot of people who illegally own guns (felons). They can be incited! And I can incite them! Legal owners can be incited too (refer to Bonanza). I know old, white guys that have heavy predudice (see Grand Torino), they can be incited. Mexicans also. Blacks, Jews,Muslims,Christians and Asians too...any can be incited (Buddists too).
What Fox news does is INTENTIONAL. Subliminal use of INTENTION is INTENTIONAL desire to incite without responsibility. Fox NEVER accepts responsibility and should be shut down for their violent overtones. Intentional overtones. Overtones ment to incite. I know. "Because I know Adolph Hitler...and he's back for the fourth reich where they intend to kill 40 million Jews and kill 4 clowns."
Now, does one voice incite you?
If only inciting "love" would be so easy. Hate is easy to incite.
Adolph
It should be obvious with Fox and NBC partnered in Hulu that ain't going happen and what really talk$ in this country.
Yes! Yes! Yes! One Voice Can Incite Violence!
Thu, 06/11/2009 - 11:45 — ez2rock2
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skU-jBFzXl0
I don't agree with what this guy did but I find his accusation troubling if true. What else do you get your bank account frozen because someone at the bank didn't like your t-shirt or your insurance denied because you advocated single payer?
have gone out of their way to portray Von Brunn as a follower of the viewpoint they have made their enemy. Most of these efforts, particularly on the right, range from the far fetched to the the invented (my favorite is Malkin's claim that he railed against FOX.)
As of yet I have not seen an effort in the print, broadcast, or
internet media to do a true examination of how this guy conducted himself recently, and what may have caused him to lose it. The Washington Post had one article today which barely scratched the surface.
This was one seriously bonkers crackpot. I am wondering how he managed to keep himself out of trouble from the time he was released from prison until he showed up at the Holocaust Museum.
We know he posted on the internet quite often. Obviously he was reading there as well as contributing. Everyone writing about him is either focused on their favorite broadcast villains or attacking those on the web who are focused on the broadcast villains. I am wondering what his computer records will show. Did the net keep him occupied (and thus harmless) all this time, or did something he saw in cyberspace set him off?
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I found a couple of articles, but they really raise more questions then they answer.
There is this:
An acquaintance of James W. von Brunn explained to Good Morning America why the 88-year-old man may have attacked the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. “When white people are provoked, some of them will snap,” said John de Nugent.
De Nugent claimed that Von Brunn might have snapped, because he believed his social security benefits were affected by the racist writings on his website, “punishing him for his politically incorrect opinions.”
I have also read comments that attempt to link von Brunn with Ron Paul, but I cannot verify.
Based on absolutely nothing but the wingnuttia he had posted on the interwebs I had him as a Paulista as well, fwiw...
..why would he attack the Holocaust Museum? Wouldn't have been better if he had attacked the Social Security office?
I don't care what motivated him, he was motivated to do what he did. It doesn't matter where he did it, he did it. I believe he was motivated by his hate and the people he associated with and the crap he heard on shows like o'reilly's and limpbaugh's and maybe even scarborough but does any of that matter? NOT one bit! He murdered a security guard at the Holocaust Museum and he'll be tried and probably convicted for the crime. If he dies, he should be tried anyway and be thankful he wasn't a Muslim under W's reign of terror.
is almost exactly true, just need to delete one work.
“When people are provoked, some of them will snap,” That is true.
That's a good point ricky. It seems all sides are trying to use all of these horrible acts as proof of their correctness, however ignorant they are to the real motivations. I mean the same day it happened, how many blogs and "news" shows were claiming this proved a point or they knew why it was done... Jumping to conclusions usually is detrimental to truth and accuracy.
Meanwhile, how many other people were murdered in the United States yesterday and today? How many people have used those murders to try and prove their theories correct?
I had had enough of the right wing BS and I let my 3 right wing friends and 1 a brother know how I felt. I have probably alienated my brother and my 2 friends (of over 40yrs for 1 and over 35 for the other). My anger just got the best of me and I more or less said I told you so. I had been warning them about Fox and Malkin et al and how the retoric was gonna be the key for the kooks to come out of the woodwork. I did to them and still do blame the right wing penchant for the dramatics and lies that has led to this situation. I told them if they still went along with the retoric and the lies then they can go screw themselves, I don't want to hear from them again and one is my next door neighbor. I was one pissed off SOB and I had to strike out at someone. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone though, I'm still pissed and now I feel bad.
You should be feelin good.
It's they who should be feeling bad.
No, you done right southerman748.
So unzip your pants first.
Debbie Schlockssel here has forgotten (or never went to school and learned about it) about that time in the Dark Ages were Jews were better off living in the Muslim Ottoman Empire than taking their chances in Christian Western Europe.
I bet the dipshit also doesn't know Jews are a protected class in Iran, courtesy of a fatwa issued by Khomeini.
almost as bad as debbie's bs
while jews were not persecuted as heavily under muslim rule, they were considered second class citizens...and their lives were miserable
and please...i know many jews who escaped iran right after the revolution
the jews who remain in iran are not protected...they are prisoners
Al Andalus in Spain?
in a last violent act at the end of a life in which he apparently was eaten up with rage and despair. Wanna bet the didn't drive a Japanese car?
Joan Walsh is right on, as usual.
eehhwwweee I feel like I just took a big ole crap in my brain cavity. I didn't take more than a coupla sentences for me to regret going there. I started to post a comment but I would have had to sign up and I don't do that on websites like hers. I wanted to ask her was she trying to be funnily ignorant or ignorantly funny , either way the only word that applied to her was ignorant.
Has proven herself to be completely and utterly uneducated in regards to Mid East history. She's a waste of time.
Chris Matthews get any credit for this, huh?
faiths, shapes, etc.
Either that or she's got one damn convincing act and is making a good living at it.
Directly, no.
However if you use warlike, eschatological terminology and graphic website imagery, you can expect warlike reactions.
And it appears that these losers with guns can expect to be a hero to some.
That's what I call him
brought by the family of the vonbrunn's victims that could include fox, limbaugh, savage and alex jones as co-conspirators? I would love that.
i remember when families of suicide victims tried to sue ozzy for his song...suicide solution
at least one suit went to trial
didnt win, but cost ozzy money
The United States of America has experienced hundreds of times more violent attacks by right-wing Christian terrorists than it has from Muslim terrorists. We need to get our troops back from the Middle East so they can hunt down the enemy within our own border.
Posse comitatus.
"And why is it that the right wing is so eager to blame music and movies "from liberal Hollywood" when kids who do crazy, violent things, yet people who are indoctrinated with year after year of Fair and Balanced Wingnut Poison are somehow invulnerable to its effects?"
I don't think it's only the right wing that blames music and movies for a lot of america's violence. Your point is well taken though... how can they reconcile blaming music and movies but not the hate speech we hear from Glenn Beck and O'Reilly and the ilk. But maybe some of them who blame that stuff actually do blame Beck et al...
3000 years debbie....3000 years
eisav soneh et yaakov
and eisav will hate jacob
nothing to do with islam....everything to do with the nature of man
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