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Instead of union contracts, Wisconsin teachers now have to abide by local handbooks suggested by Gov. Scott Walker. What does refusing to allow workers to help a sick colleague or longer skirts have to do with saving money? And just listen to the nasty wingnuts in the audience at the New Berlin school board meeting. Via the Blue Cheddar blog:

The “tools” Walker has handed to local governments are supposedly meant to help cut costs. However the changes to the New Berlin school workplace approved August 29 don’t look like mere cost-savings to me. New Berlin Education Association President Diane Lazewski agrees in MJS: “I would be surprised to see any other handbook as punitive as ours,” I should note that all details aren’t available until 9/8 and changes occur 10/1 according to a document from the blog Teachers Against Walker

Update: This 51 page Draft of School District of New Berlin Employee Handbook – Parts A and B states that it goes into effect 9/1/11

A few of the changes:

A ‘sick bank’ which allows teachers to donate sickleave to seriously ill colleagues will be eliminated.
–No set pay for overtime; only stipends
–Elementary teachers work an added 205 hours without added pay.
–Secondary teachers work an added 95 hours without added pay.
and there are odd restrictions such as
–Dress Code: Skirts below knee, no sweatshirts, no jeans, no large logos, no open shirts, etc. and
–The loss of all microwaves, refrigerators, and coffeemakers.

I called a young teacher, E., from Racine just before the meeting. E. said New Berlin’s handbook is the worst of a new crop of handbooks he’s seen. Handbooks now serve in lieu of contracts for public school employees where contracts have expired.

E. says: “This turns back the clock. It keeps teachers on call until 5PM for I.E.P meetings (Individualized Education Programs). This is eating into the time of people. Making them do more work for less money”. More details are HERE.

E. pointed out that clearly not all school boards are heavy-handed. The Shorewood School Board has opted for a collaborative approach to its handbook.

I gathered through tweets the meeting attracted 500-600 people, with incoming drivers having to park very far away. At the very beginning of the meeting, the board met privately for a time, sending complaints of undemocratic process and even illegal meeting practices through social media [claims I have not checked into.] I got conflicting reports on the composition of the crowd. A MJS reporter tweeted that there was a 50% pro-handbook and 50% anti-handbook audience.

A mass of anti-teacher residents booed and catcalled the teachers and their allies while they gave public testimony. And I’ve now seen three reports via social media that candy pacifiers were used to taunt teachers – supposedly an idea of the Queen of mean radio ranters, Vicki McKenna.* According to WEAC, at least 3 other right wing tak radio personalities called for citizens to oppose teachers: Belling, Wagner & Charlie Sykes.

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Rick Gold's picture

So no more minis for the male teachers?

angryspittle's picture

Shit, does that mean I have to sell my CooperS?

fastfeat's picture

Real men drive sports cars that break down on the side of the road so they can fix them in traffic.

Real women drive similar such cars so they can meet their future ex-husbands in traffic.


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

mike71654's picture

Is this the freedoms the repugs always rant about?

miss_kitty's picture

drownable in a tub

Excelsior's picture
Nah

Small enough to fit in your bedroom.


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

Ape-Man's picture

Everything the republicans say is a lie. But then you knew that. We are stuck with their lies until such time as their lies stop working on an unsuspecting public. I am hoping that that time is now...

Teachers, organize and educate the electorate!


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Ape-Man's picture

Recall Scott Walker. You can do it! Save the teachers. Save the children. Save Wisconsin.
Recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall.

If not Wisconsin, then who?
If not now, then when?

It is all up to us, to put and end to the Koch brothers - Scott Walker attack on unions and the working people of America. This is it! Let's roll!


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

LcdDrmr's picture

And the mantra is
"Change the system, and please arrange it
To change some way that I feel no change"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKu-s9D384o

Geronimo.'s picture

We need to start standing up to these bullies!! Not just reporting on and documenting their abuses, which is also necessary. This society needs to get out of the victimhood mentality and get into the kicking ass mentality.

www.October2011.org

We need to support the groups and people taking action and telling the truth. Anonymous on Wall Street, Whistleblowers with verified credibility like Sibel Edmonds etc.

Even Col. Lawrence Wilkerson said he would testify against Cheney in a war crimes trial. He was on the inside as Secretary of State Colin Powell's Chief of Staff. Not enough people are supporting people like him or even Max Cleland who resigned in disgust because of what he felt was a national disgrace.

Let's do more.


"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

Ape-Man's picture

You're right. I just received an email from the good people at ActBlue -
One way to stand up to these bullies is to contribute to recall campaigns...
https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/mi...


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Geronimo.'s picture

Thanks!


"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

fastfeat's picture

This society needs to get out of the victimhood mentality and get into the kicking ass mentality.


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

Edwin's picture

These teachers have been living high on the hog for far too long. So have the poverty-stricken in America. They don't need no stinkin' refrigerators: ya gotta earn that kind of luxury.


"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!

Paul1968's picture

This is an example of a small government Republican, that campaigned on keeping government out of people's lives, adding arbitrary government mandates to the people. These new rules were not passed by the Wisconsin legislature, they were demanded by King Walker.

And how can we expect our kids to respect their teachers, when parents react like this. What a bunch of morans!

ceh2624's picture

... are so good at irony, and don't even know it! Check out this Link.

Our superintendent Attilla Weninger got fired for plagiarism http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnis...
Only to be hired by our stupid school board. The aptly named Attilla refused to negotiate at all with the union last year, instead impatiently waiting for when he could shove changes like those above down the teacher's throats. Today he gave his all-staff speech where he claimed to have taken pictures of "funny Wisconsin signs" that he did not take and told the staff he asked for elementary students to send him letters they would write to God,however the exact letters he showed us are all over the internet and seems to be straight form the book "Children's letters to God." More lies by Walker and his toadies. While this got Attilla in hot water down in Chicago, our local paper simply writes what the school officials and business leaders dictate to them so I don't think it'll make an difference. It does help further demoralize the staff knowing what an immoral liar the superintendent is...

reallyanders's picture

Skirt Length Theory

What Does Skirt Length Theory Mean?
The idea that skirt lengths are a predictor of the stock market direction. According to the theory, if skirts are short, it means the markets are going up. And if skirt are long, it means the markets are heading down

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Why are we fighting conservatives over there when they are already here

ickenittle's picture

below the knee length skirts.

Every teacher should bring their own personal coffee maker, and carry a compact microwave like a brief case.

Teachers forced to work for no pay should do so wearing sandwich boards that say,

" Gov. Walker doesn't think I deserve to get paid today."

Just disgusting.


First they ignore us..then they ridicule us..then they fight us..then we win..Gandhi
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mikerush's picture

Teachers must not me married.
Teachers will not be seen in public with members of the opposite sex.
Teachers will room and board with student's families, changing weekly.
Teachers will attend church services every Sunday with the boarding family, regardless of personal faith.
Teachers will report to school 2 hours before class time, start the fires, fill the wood boxes and water buckets.
Teachers will stay 2 hours after class to sweep and mop the floors, empty the ashes and fill the oil lamps.

fastfeat's picture

you went to Catholic school too...


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

Excelsior's picture

No, dear. Those are the rules commonly used in 18th and 19th century PROTESTANT schools. You know, those little wooden schoolhouses we here tell so much of? The ones the teabaggers would like us to go back to?


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

Teh ImortalZ's picture

to the illogical extreme-like the the Tealiban does, you become preciscely that which you so adamantly oppose. These people are so extreme, they have come full circle. They are using ideology to push people around, just because they can. This reminds me of the old Soviet Union. The Kommisar comes to your village and and starts micro-managing everything in an absurd manner. It would be comical if it weren't so tragic-real peoples lives are affected in tangible ways by their ridiculous actions.

Evet's picture

You're afraid to pay the fee
So you find yourself somebody
Who can do the job for free

I'm a fool to do your dirty work
Oh yeah
I don't wanna do your dirty work
No more

AmiBlue's picture

He's a pathological dictator. All the rightwing lunatics are paternalistic, but this man goes way beyond that. It makes me sick to read about him.

dadams's picture

next is no toilet paper...........

fastfeat's picture

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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

gump's picture

Do all female teachers have to wear their hair pulled back in a bun? Seems like the next logical step. What a bunch of knuckle dragging neanderthals.


is intended to be a factual statement

Evet's picture

a caveman factory somewhere in the U.S.A. cranking them out with assembly line efficiency.

Evet's picture

and crawl back in your hole.

Thats what I'd be putting on my signs if I was a teacher there.

ThatDeborahGirl's picture

I think we can all agree that refrigerators are toys that "the poor" can do without. The poorer classes should never try to ape their betters, let alone attempt to pretend at moving beyond their station by having a refrigerator. This type of modern technology should be for those who can afford to buy a refrigerator outright and maybe not even then.

Refrigeration is the key way to tell if someone is either rich or living far beyond their means.The poorer classes should not be allowed to purchase a refrigerator on a payment plan or, heaven forbid, with a credit card. All refrigerators (and any other modern appliances or electronics such as coffee makers, television, VCR's, DVD players, computers, gaming systems, etc) should be removed from public housing, homeless shelters, halfway houses or foster homes, schools and any places where people are employed by the government immediately.

The poorer classes serve one purpose and one purpose only: To work for the rich. Molly-coddling poor people with modern technology, particularly refrigeration, is a waste of time and money and should be discouraged, if not forbidden, at every opportunity.

John D-oh's picture

When will the teachers of WI walk out en masse?
That would be quite a story.

Excelsior's picture

I'd love to see the entire population of the WI teachers' union just throw down their books one day and walk out. It would be delicious.


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

Spotts1701's picture

The only people who get hurt in that scenario are the students. Trust me - Walker won't feel a goddamn thing, and the teachers get beat all to hell in the press as being selfish, greedy, an heartless.

There's being noble, and then there's being stupid. Take a wild guess which your proposal would fall under?

Excelsior's picture

So they should just shut up and put up with the indignity and the cruelty? Way to back up Walker's disgusting bullshit, there.

No, honey. The students would SUPPORT their teachers. A few days out of school will not hurt them nearly as much as having bitter, disgruntled, HUNGRY teachers.


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

Spotts1701's picture

Do NOT patronize me, "honey".

The students would support the teachers. The parents would want them tarred, feathered and run out on a rail. How do I know this? Because it happened in the School District I worked for - the Governor got a free pass for being a jackass, and the teachers got hung out to dry.

After MONTHS of getting my flippin' brains beat in by the public over this, I think I know how this will play out. Parents will put up with a lot, but when their student's education is threatened they will go after the low-hanging fruit. That's the teachers.

With the exception of the sick bank issue (which is completely out-of-bounds), all of these are perfectly REASONABLE requests. I can name 10 School Districts in both liberal and conservative parts of the country that have policies just like this. I know, because one of my jobs is researching comparative policy to make sure our District is in compliance.

You are using things that are common as a means to attack a governor who you don't like.

I did NOT say they should give up. But your suggestion would guarantee the public would NOT be on their side. And if they lose the public, they lose the fight.

bdtrppr6's picture

to avoid it either way, maybe the teachers AND the students AND the parents should walk out. unfortunately this country is so polarized right now, it would just draw the students and parents who think it is RIGHT to raise a bigger ruckus. i am seriously worried about the entire country. how stupid can we be to put up with this bullshit?


Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.

and microwave out of your teacher's offices? How about your office?

If they attempted that where I work, they'd have an immediate strike on their hands.

Better hold on to your toielt and paper, because you're full of it.

And yes, teachers should fight back, NOW and HARD.

Spotts1701's picture

Read the post I put further down - we already prohibit coffeemakes, microwaves and minifridges in the classroom. That was negotiated with our teachers - they're an electrical hazard in our older facilities, and the teachers were leaving a mess for the custodians to clean up or clean out. Not to mention the safety hazard in classrooms with small children.

I don't have a microwave, refrigerator or coffeepot in my office. I don't have room for them. We have them in every teacher's lounge and break room.

JustMyWords's picture

It doesn't say a thing about prohibiting these items in the classroom. There are some practical reasons to restrict them or put conditions on their use in the classroom in order to keep a safe and clean environment for learning. But the article says "The loss of all microwaves, refrigerators, and coffeemakers."

Spotts1701's picture

The context seems to indicate that Administrators and Central Office staff will still be able to have them in their offices, but teachers will not in their classroom.

Now I am basing my point on that context - if it is not accurate, then we can address the proper context if it is shown.

superdude's picture

Well, teachers who have used up their sick leave should probably go on long-term disability or some other insurance program. There is no reason employees should be able to accumulate sick leave then trade it for cash or donate it. That's inefficient, and it isn't what sick leave was meant for.

The rest of it is stupid. No microwaves, refrigerators, or coffee pots? What's the point of that? Even the breakroom at my crappy temp job had a breakroom with these amenities, which the regular employees even deigned to let me use, as lowly as I was.

StupidMechanic's picture

What is wrong with you?

Typical ignorant thinking that has the US where it is today. The "everyone else is having XXXXXXX taken away, so we have to expect it".

SICK LEAVE IS PAY.

If you trade sick leave for "insurance", you lose pay. Insurance covers for the most part 60% of wages if you are lucky. Of that 60% you get to pay the health insurance costs for you and family in lump sums monthly. SO you lose even more than the 60%.

Ignorance also says things like "should not be able to trade for cash". Now if you are an employee who does NOT use the sick pay, the employer in all rights made that money PLUS off of your labor. If you were not at work, the employer does not profit from your labor (unless the employer is a contractor for the Gov that is working a cost-plus contract).

Our country deserves what it gets because people keep gutting themselves to help make the US more like a 3rd world country, for the uber-wealthy. Keep rolling over and asking for more. "Everyone else is making a quarter an hour so I have to expect it"...............

superdude's picture

If you spend X dollars a month on car insurance, but never have an accident, do you get your money back when you cancel the policy? Of course not.

A sensible way to deal with unforseen illnesses is a risk pool. This is sort of what happens when employees "donate" sick days, but why should they even have a choice about whether they wish to "donate"?

Sick leave is not pay--pay is pay.

And believe it or not I support unions. But all these backdoor mechanisms unions use to pad their incomes--sick leave is pay, overtime is a God-given right, and don't even think of moving your own computer to the new office, you need to pay a teamster to do that, preferably two in case the first one calls in sick--all that stuff turns me off.

Excelsior's picture

"There is no reason employees should be able to accumulate sick leave then trade it for cash or donate it. "

Are you high? Since when is sick leave tradable for cash? The sick bank is a way for working people to HELP EACH OTHER OUT, since employers are such fucking tightwads. If we had a CIVILIZED work policy, there'd be no need for that kind of thing, but living as we do in the United States of We Rich Don't Give A Fuck If The Rest Of You Die, you gotta do whatever you can. Or are you against helping your co-workers now?


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

superdude's picture

When my dad retired from his government job (civilian employee of the Air Force) he was allowed to apply several months of sick leave he had accumulated toward his retirement. Not vacation time, mind you, but sick leave.

This is a waste. Sick leave should be available for people who are actually sick. And if you don't get sick--lucky you!--that time should go back to the employer.

At no point did I suggest that people who exhaust their regular sick days should be left to die of exposure. But there are other forms of insurance to deal with that.

Now of course it matters how "sick leave" is defined, and this can vary a lot. My dad's sick leave was the old-fashioned kind, distinct from vacation or "personal days," and if you used it you better damn well be sick or at least good at faking it.

If the teachers had a Paid Time Off (PTO) bank, where sick days and vacation time is pooled, then they should have more discretion in how the days are used. But public school teachers typically have the more old-fashioned kind of sick leave.

SonOfLiberty's picture

Your dad didn't take a sick day unless he needed it, but kids these days...

You know what, 99% of the people who take sick days (personal days as they're called today), are doing so for a genuine emergency or illness. And, the net result is that business goes on as usual. And, the people who take them feel sufficiently guilty for taking their kid to the hospital, not coming in and giving the flu to everyone in the office, or attending their mother's funeral. They don't need help from your dad. Because, you see, despite your asinine view, it's not just you and your dad who go to work each day and do their job.

The days you have off are yours. They're not your boss'. They're not the company's. They don't belong to the school board. They're part of your contract. They're part of the compensation you agreed to. Why shouldn't teachers be allowed to use them however they want?

Spotts1701's picture

In an office environment, if one person is absent the others can "cover" for that person's absent. If a teacher is absent, then you need to have a substitute show up to teach the class. You can't expect or demand other teachers who have classes of their own to "cover" the absent teacher.

And when a lot of teachers are out (some on illness, some because they're attending professional development, and some because they coach and the team has an away game that week), it becomes extremely difficult to adequately fill the needs. Thus, administrators have the right to deny leave if the school can't get a substitute for them.

superdude's picture

This is a difficult concept to get across, because so few people have conventional sick leave anymore, but sick leave is distinct from PTO and vacation.

If you're taking a PTO day, fine, take it for any damn reason you feel like, and don't feel a need to explain it to your boss.

Sick leave is separate. It's for when you are ill. It is separate from PTO, and an explanation is required.

People used to get both sick leave and vacation. Some civil service workers still do. Different things. Comprendé?

JustMyWords's picture

There's a reason that many corporations continue to move away from sick/vacation days and instead lump it in as PTO - they've found that it's a savings in the long run, even if the number of yearly PTO days is the same as the number of sick & vacation days combined. Why? First, it reduces that number of unplanned absences. People are more likely to request days off in advance when all their available time off is treated the same - they don't have to call in at the last minute & claim to be sick. Reducing unplanned time off saves money, because it's easier to manage staffing and work flow when you have fewer last minute no-shows.

Sick leave, just like vacation leave, is a benefit. You earn it. Why should an employer reap a financial benefit if someone has unused sick leave? Even bigger question - why should someone that uses all their sick leave receive more from their benefits than the employee who didn't take a sick day for 10 years? Why shouldn't an employee have an incentive & a reward for behavior that benefits the employer?

Look for a rise in ptomaine poisoning and theft of students' stimulants. Of course, shouldn't be a problem with the great healthcare I'm sure they receive...


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

fastfeat's picture

"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

Different Anonymous's picture
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To be fair, you can't call yourself a sweatshop if the employees still have a microwave.

Medical Diagnosis by Video's picture

I'll bet most sweat shops do have microwaves, and fridges. If you are flogging your employees with long hours, they have to eat. It is the more efficient way.

xargaw's picture

is begging the state to recall him. It's as if every action is baiting the public and turning more and more people against him. He is clearly nuts. No microwaves or coffeemakers. This will be the only indoor workplace in America without these.

Excelsior's picture

if he's a progressive plant set there to completely derail the teabaggers and turn the entire nation against them. Because it certainly seems to be working!


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

Spotts1701's picture

Are we griping about what these rules are, or the way they were enacted?

I work for a school district, and we have rules that prohibit microwaves, minifridges and coffeemakers in the classroom (due to the electrical hazards in our older facilities, and the teachers not cleaning them up or out and leaving it for the custodians to take care of). We have rules requiring teachers to dress "professionally" (which means no sweatshirts or t-shirts unless they have the school logo on them, and definitely no skirts below knee-length). And we have stipends instead of overtime for "Extra duty" (and attending an IEP meeting is not "extra duty", it's part of the teacher's job). And teachers in our district have never received overtime pay, not even in boom times. And every District around us is the same way.

The difference is that we negotiated for each of these items with the teacher's union rather than handing them down from "on high".

The sick leave bank thing is completely uncalled for - you get the leave, you should be able to use it or donate it. We only let you cash out if you have over 120 days "on the books" when you leave.

albabe's picture

Spotts1701 said: "...Due to the electrical hazards in our older facilities..."

So, is what your saying that ALL of the Public Schools in WI are older facilities with crappy wiring? I would think that rather than ban small appliances, that maybe someone should fix the wiring.

The rest of your post just perpetrates the idea that Teachers don't deserve shit. Your post sounds like either like a smart Heritage or Cato job to me.


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albabe's picture

This is NOT about any of the crap you are talking about... It's much simpler... It's about destroying the Unions. That's Walkers self-designatied Mandate against the Democrats.


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Spotts1701's picture

Then stop focusing on the little pictures and focus on the big one. My sister and several close friends are all teachers, and they deserve a fair wage and good benefits. I want a fair wage and good benefits for what I do.

But when people get up and wail about dress codes and coffeepots in the classroom, it looks petty (and that's how it'll be spun in the media). You're arguing over little things that have always been management rights regardless of whether you're in a union shop or not, and then the big things (like the sick leave bank) get lost in the sensationalism.

Above the Clouds's picture

. . . teachers had "morals clauses" that stipulated, among other things, teachers were not allowed to drink booze in the towns they taught in. So every Friday car loads of teachers would pass each other going to each others' towns to drink.

Trantorian's picture

"underwear will be changed every thirty minutes.

Silence!

Underwear will now be worn on the outside, so we can check."

From "Bananas"


The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith

Gene214's picture

The loss of all microwaves, refrigerators, and coffeemakers.

Coffee's for closers.


If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.

George Carlin

Excelsior's picture

You win. Where shall I send the cookies? (I have oatmeal raisin today.)


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

apple pie's picture

Let's all watch "Waiting for Superman" again, and I'm sure Oprah will comply with the new dress code!

Tax the Rich's picture

But the Heritage Foundation says we are rich if we have a microwave or dishwasher or mini fridge.

Walker really is trying to make teachers poor.


Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.

Hooker Jay's picture

... is foreclosing on the Chautauqua model in favor of the Prussian model.

Medical Diagnosis by Video's picture

.......I'd be raising a generation of Progressives. Start with pre-schoolers and let them know that the "bad men at Disney" want them to have to pay for every Disney movie shown in the classroom to the kids (true).

Then move on, especially to high schoolers and how they will be cannon fodder for the military because they won't be able to get jobs without much higher education and the fact that "no child left behind" mandates giving the names of the kids to military recruiters.

Yes, teaching could be fun again........

jman's picture

to the real world. Our (out-in-the-open) coffeemakers were removed years ago. It's childish nonsense. However, where I'm from if you need to have a teacher conference about your child, the parent has to leave their workplace to meet at the school before 3pm. Damn teachers won't stay one extra minute to help you and your child. Matter of fact there's a mad dash out of the teacher parking lot one minute after the final bell. All this eff you conduct by the teachers has made them an easy target and another in-road for union busting.

Spotts1701's picture

Not every teacher leaves skid marks on the pavement as they split at the end of their contract day. The ones that do deserve all the opprobrium you can muster.

The ones that don't should not be tarred with the same brush. The ones who stay until 5 in the evening and then spend their "off hours" grading and planning lessons resent the ones who make them look bad, and often wish they could just toss them overboard.

At least a few days a week.

JustMyWords's picture

Personally, I can't tell from the article that they're talking about appliances that a teacher might have in their classroom. It says "The loss of all microwaves, refrigerators, and coffeemakers." And even if they are referring just to having these appliances in the classroom, I'm not quite sure how much money they realistically think they can save by prohibiting something that the teacher would be paying for out of their own pocket. Yes, those things use electricity, but does a coffee pot in the classroom use any more electricity than the one in the breakroom? And what about the lost time for a teacher that may have to walk to the far side of a large building after their cup of coffee or can of pop? (I know at my high school, it was a 10-15 minute round trip from many of the classrooms to the teacher's lounge, and that was if the halls were empty. Try to do it between classes, and you could add an easy extra 5 minutes.)

And you know, yeah, it's not convenient to take off work to meet with your child's teacher. At the same time, how often do you schedule meetings outside of work hours? And how often do you schedule meetings on your own time in order to help someone else with their problem? I'm betting that if you have meetings after hours, you probably expect to be paid for that time, too.

What you're saying boils down to the idea that a teacher who has already spent 8 or 9 hours at work and probably will spend several more hours working at home should have to add another hour or two to their day because it would be more convenient to YOU. And this is at the same time that you have no problem suggesting that teachers should have to give up small items that help make THEIR lives easier, or at least more pleasant.

jman's picture

victimized you. And I do schedule meetings for off-hours. It's what professionals do.

Medical Diagnosis by Video's picture

They can take it to court as discriminatory. If teachers can't have a coffeee maker, microwaves, fridge, etc. in their break room, then they should be banned for all state employees, starting with the governor's office. Try taking the coffee maker out of the public works department road works depots and see what happens. They all use little power compared to other appliances, so this is just an obvious attack on the teachers. I doubt even the craziest TeaBaggers would go along with this type of move--they can relate I'm sure.

Refridgerators must be kept for health reasons. Workers bring meals that need to be kept cold, meat sandwiches, etc. and some may have medicines that also need to be kept refrigerated (insulin pens).

And when they win in court, make a lot of noise about it, to let the idiots who voted this bastard in what they have done.

Teachers are not impotent, they spend the day with almost all the state's kids. Get the kids on your side on this.

FloydGeorge104's picture

I see just how some people liked getting but-fucked. Man-o-man. There are some people who are just ripe for the picking do do corporate suck it up and do what we tell you to do and you will like it and ask for more. Damn, I thought people were smartter? I guess not. Or, there are some people who come here just to stir the shit up to smell the shit stink. nothing more to do than post shit. Wonder if they think ( think- must have a brain to do that) that they will get taken care of by there corporate shit heads, I would bet not, but by then it will be to late.

al2o3cr's picture

Dress Code: Skirts below knee, no sweatshirts, no jeans, no large logos, no open shirts, etc. and

They just can't help it, can they? No matter how often 'baggers claim to be "fiscal conservatives", the Puritan prudery just SHINES right through...

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