Sen. Ben Nelson Is Feeling the Heat. Now This DINO Wants A Public Option Trigger.
By Susie Madrak Sunday Sep 06, 2009 6:00pmIt sounds like Ben Nelson is feeling the heat, because he was so adamantly opposed to the idea of a public option under any circumstances. Not that we want a trigger, but it's heartening to see our pressure is having an effect. Don't stop!
Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) has long opposed a public health insurance option. In May, he expressed concern that “the public plan would be too attractive and would hurt the private insurance plans.” A Nelson spokesman even suggested that the senator would be “building a coalition opposed to the public plan.” And this past week, Nelson said health care reform “implodes” if a public option is included.
But this morning on CNN, Nelson moderated his stance ever-so-slightly. He indicated to host John King that he would support a so-called “trigger” (which would establish a public plan after a certain period of time if the private market fails to control costs):
Well I think he [Obama] has to say that if there’s going to be a public option, it has to be subject to a trigger. In other words, if somehow the private market doesn’t respond the way that it’s supposed to, then it would trigger a public option or a government-run option. But only as a fail-safe backstop to the process.
When I say trigger, out here in Nebraska and the midwest, I don’t mean a hair-trigger. I mean a true trigger — one that would only apply if there isn’t the kind of competition in the business that we believe there would be.
Howard Dean has previously said the trigger is a "terrible idea," saying insurance companies "will just change their behavior until the trigger runs out and go back to how they were."








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I can't seem to find the video from CNN. I hope you can
Here's a little of what he said
'Why should the liberals always cave?'
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/...
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/0...
Anyone? Anyone at all? I didn't think so. Single payer or nothing.
and what I am hearing from my Senator is that he wants to have the trigger that guarantees him a primary challenge in 2012 to be pulled. So long as his support goes to the health insurance industry rather than to us citizens, I will be working to educate as many of my fellow Nebraskans as I possibly can to get rid of this Republican in Democrat clothing.
This trigger is nothing but a ploy in order to try to pacify progressives and take the heat off the Corporate sponsored health reform they are really to pass WITHOUT at less a public option.
What good is a trigger if there is no one or way that trigger is planned to be pulled.. All they are doing pumping Hot air for a smoke screen to cover their a... while they screw us...
They want to add 40 million uninsured Americans to the corporate health insurance and have others to pay for it.
These people have been bought and paid for by the Health and Drug empires..
The blues dogs and republicans ,,, Obama and Emanuel never plan to have a single payer or public options , because it what never discussed or put on the table from the beginning..
These people are so full of BS it just keep flowing out of the mouth.
and I notice how the media has been ignoring liberals. CNN only put it on as an anti-Obama point, not for any other reason.
I don't believe there's much corporate support for liberal perspectives. CNN carries the water for the right-wing in nearly every "story" covered.
Found a news media which gives a true and unbiased report of the news.
Did you hear any of this BS from the news media when Bush , Cheney and the republicans where destroying our country for the past 8 years.
H... NO and Matthews was kissing Bush&Cheney's a.. for most of that time..
It is like everything else the republicans and news media just keep blaming everything on the left,,, when it has been Bush/Cheney , republicans and the blue dogs for over 10 years..
If you remember the some blue dogs were even supporting republican candidates in the 2008 election...
If by now you can not tell that republicans are running the democrat party then you have not paid attention to the legislation they have be voting for...
Otherwise why are we even talking about Health Care?
"true trigger — one that would only apply if there isn’t the kind of competition in the business that we believe there would be."
I've heard it again and again that the goal is to have competition with insurance companies.
But, I THINK the goal should be Universal Health Care. What will it take for that goal to be taken seriously by politicians? Maybe in 2 or 3 years when the number of uninsured people reaches a couple hundred million people?
is the public option will make health care coverage affordable and people can't be gouged or denied services they have been to for "nebulous" reasons. There will also not be refusal due to pre-existing conditions.
Or are you speculating? Seriously.
There are ways around these "triggers" and you can bet the private insurance companies are exploring those ways right now. Once those "triggers" are tripped an example could be that insurance companies will deliberately eat some of the costs that they normally would have passed onto their customers. This will bring health care related costs down in the market place. Once that happens and those "triggers" are removed insurance companies will then pass onto the customer the original costs plus the costs that they ate in order to compensate for their previous losses. This is exactly what the oil companies do.
There must be a public option for this to work. This is the only way.
Why are so many so complacent about keeping the filthy thieving insurance companies in the equation? What happened? When did it become okay for them to continue to make money from killing people?
Once AGAIN, the media and certain complicit politicians left out single payer from the get-go. People became used to the terms public option and health insurance reform.
Ridiculous how we're played year after year and some never even see it happening until it's too late and we've lost something.
I know you don't really care about the reality of the situation but I am curious. What percentage of congressmen and senators do you think would vote for a single payer right now? Twenty-five? Thirty? Once that vote has happens and is soundly defeated what then? I don't think I have ever been more disappointed in a president, congress, and media on a single issue than the phony "debate" on health care. Most people have no real idea what the public option is because we have waisted all of our time and energy debunking all of the lies and falsehoods that the bill does not contain. I agree that single payer is the best possible option but to call for single payer or nothing is calling for nothing.
I disagree. Let's start over, and start from a strong position--single payer or nothing. If the insurance companies don't like it, frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn. Let them go spend the money they have right now, before they have to pay it back. Those people who lose their jobs because of the collapse of the health insurance industry can be absorbed by the new work that will be created. Win-win for us. It is doable.
Unless the government is totally corrupt and has been overthrown by business interests and self dealing thieves, in which case see the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence. This is serious. The whining and bitching has to stop now.
I couldn't agree more with everything savannah43 says. Single-payer system is THE way to go. So what if taxes are levied? You'll no longer have to pay the ins. premiums you pay now, no co-pays, no deductibles, no referrals, no denials for pre-existing conditions, no pre-approvals, no paperwork.....you get he picture :) And please don't talk any small inconveniences that may or may not occur. that's NOTHING compared to what's happening now. The "insurance" companies have ALL the power. They happily take your $$$ then when you need them, they pay what they feel like paying (when they pay at all), deny coverage when it would impact their bottom line, then they drop you because you now have a condition that will begin to cost them money. And god forbid you should lose your job---then they don't even know you! This insanity has got to stop and Pres. Obama has got to stand up for what is truly the right thing for all Americans.
Their model for competition in health insurance is based on AT&T and Verizon Wireless.
Somebody give me the trigger, I'll pull it.
with a fifty-year wait, I'd bet.
F-O-S Ben Nelson ($-Neb)
Trigger was a movie horse not something I want in my health insurance legislation.
Again, I will wait and see. Gibbs seemed to indicate that Obama was going to push for a public option.
Can't the g.d. democrats get ANYTHING done? Does effing Fox news run the country?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFVrBzuyhFA
He's a gynecologist now.
Part of my letter to the President
Sir, you have many reforms, but the key and everyone knows, it is the "Public Option", not more “Triggers, or Co-opts”, they are not, repeat not; competition and you know it and we your “Supporters“all know that the foundation, the base of REFORMING the Health Care system in America is “COMPETITION” it’s the only lever for making the change, our Business Community and our Laborers have to have, moving forward.
We must have the Strong Competition to make the necessary changes, “Benchmarks” will not work, it’s just another name for triggers, we have enough of those and they are necessary, but not sole lever for real change. I have let you know, that I’ am as informed as I can be, I know that our Nation, must, has too compete on the world stage, in many arenas and our Workers are the best in the world, we must have the Competition to complete the REFORMS.
I also know, That Wall Street, The Drug Manufacturers and Health Insurance and Insurance Industry are the Key, a corporate few, control both parties and it is a narrow few moneyed few, who have contributed to every Election on both sides of the Political spectrum, so you cannot sell me Centrist, or moderation. It’s been sixty years in waiting and you know, if you do not do the hard work now, you’ll lose at the next election and it could happen either way, but if you try to sell me the middle of road, (where I'll get runover, in both directions, from both sides of Congress, in the out years) because it’s hard to go against the Corporate elite’s, because private deals with Drugs and Hospitals and Doctors, I know you've made. Sir, I’ll know it and I cannot back you up on this KEY LEGISLATION if it's weak and compromised to the moderate RIGHT.
Personally, I doubt that the pressure brought by the left had much to do with Neslon's change of heart re: the public option.
It makes more sense to me that the insurance companies think they have a better chance at profits by "compromising" on a trigger they can easily avoid until the 2010 elections... and then ignore or negate it with the legislators they have purchased.
All the insurance companies have to do is delay, muddy the waters, and wait it out until the next election...
Delay current losses for potential future gains - its just capitalism after all.
What is the reason for the big hurry? Single payer was never even considered, and this had to be something other than a rank amateur's mistake. It was an "on purpose," because bribes had been paid, if you get my drift. BRIBES! PAID! All of this must come out. Let's arrest and prosecute the war criminals first, and then reexamine the health insurance industry after we get the lying thieves out of the government. Well, some of them anyway. Okay? How does that sound?
especially when you consider how much the health care profit companies have already spent to defeat health care reform. I say bring it back a few times then pull back just to keep them on the edge.
Health insurers will just raise premiums to pay for lobbying to block reform. And lawmakers (no pun intended) are happy to quibble and delay, sit back and let the donations roll in. It's a win-win for them, and citizens get screwed.
screw over yourself. And not even a dinner in sight.
Only if you buy into it. I don't and won't. A public option, yes. A mandate to buy private insurance? I'll stop paying federal taxes.
What does that mean? No losses now, and gains in the future? That is a win-win for the insurance companies. Is that what you meant?
Ben's only doing the bidding of his Ma$ter$.
really be trusted to consider what is best for the consumer? Hell no, period!
I don't like this trigger bit.
It sounds too much like Sunset Rules
And how many agencies have been killed off by Sunset Rules?
They engage in Mission Creep.
But since these are private corporations not government, they'll hire lawyers to read gaps into any existing laws that would supposedly trigger public option.
And if another party takes control of any part of our government, there goes the trigger entirely.
Better to do everything we can now.
is ridiculous, nigh unreachable. so I would only expect that they do the same for Olympia Snowjob. What is supposed to be so moderate about her ass, anyway?
Pandering to the right. Haven't they learned anything yet?
This can only end badly.
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is the big hurry? Let's talk.
you're probably right. Why don't we all just kick back and have a few beers (or your drink/drug of choice) and forget about all of this health insurance and medical care stuff.
Because, the way we're goin' now, by 2013 the good ol' USofA will look more like a 3rd world country after the insurance companies, pharmas, and banksters complete their grand theft of our entire economy!!
of China.
that does nothing until 2013? Better to take a year now and do it right--single payer. If we don't win this now, forget it forever. This is like Custer's Last Stand, and I am not the general, nor am I on his side.
We don't need to wait and see how the big insurance companies perform. We've been watching them gouge and exploit the populace for years and years. That's what made healthcare reform an issue to begin with.
Who does Nelson think he's kidding? He ought to just go ahead and become a Republican, because his constituency would be a lot more stupid and they might actually believe his bullshit.
Get OUT!
like a (R)
ahmepugluKKKan.The trigger is a red herring that will be adopted begrudgingly by even some republicans if they can pass a bill that has no public option and
protectsincreases insurance (and drug) corporation profits.The catch? The trigger will be so ambiguous and so far in the future that all the cocksucking congresswhores will be retired if it ever comes up.
a trigger will be more of the same......deny and delay. consequently there will be more losers/victims of the health care ins. system. the health care insurance industry already had their chance. it's time for reform now it's an economic necessity.
Who cares if he supports a trigger. He knows the trigger will never be pulled, and even if it is, it will be years away from now when it will have no effect on Nelson.
cretins???? If the freakin' health insurance companies were responding the 'way they were supposed to' most people would already have insurance!!!!
Waiting for a GD Trigger just means that millions of us who don't have insurance, or are going broke trying to pay for it, will just have to keep going broke or dying in the interim. And, even the trigger will just bring on some lame-assed public option that will still likely be out of the reach of many uninsured Americans.
To me, the the public option has always been a means, not an end. We have to revisit the problem. There is 16% of our population with no insurance, too many health related bankruptcies, and our costs are about 50% higher than the other industrial countries.
The public option has always, to me, represented a method of getting our costs under control. If there's to be a trigger, then, the trigger should be that our per capita costs exceed the rest of the industrial countries. Being in last place should be the trigger. Actually, being in the bottom 33% should be the trigger.
So, a trigger is fine, so long as it's the right trigger. And that trigger should be defined as a system that costs more than the rest of the industrial countries, provides less services than the rest of the industrial countries, and doesn't provide coverage for everyone as do the rest of the industrial countries.
I can't understand these people attending town meeting, advocating that this country continue to have health costs 50% higher than the rest of the industrial countries.
As far as the private insurance is concerned, I'm being told (not sure if it's true), that the gambit is to switch the in-network providers every couple of months so that people have to get new doctors and pediatricians a couple times a year. I don't get stuck into this plan until next year. People are price gouged if they go out-of-network. There's no one in that plan clamoring to maintain private insurance over Medicare for all (H.R. 676).
Isn't the horse. It's the carrot... Strung out in front of the donkey.
Can You say, SOLD OUT?... I knew you could. Turns out a black politician is just like a white one. (look at STEELE) They'll both sell there soul's for a BILL $! AW, HELL YEAH!!! Feel the beat rock... I knew you could...
ASK THE QUESTION! And I'm Proud to be an American where at least I know I'm fucked...By the cor-por-ate Media that gives me the reach around. And i want to thank YOU--America... for hiding like you are.
Your getting what you obviously want. Getting Fucked by the few for the good of the 1%. The really sad part is you just lay there and take it. Your a lousy lay. Geting rapped by the corporatons while you watch big brother. Shit I GOTTA GO THERE"S A GAME COMMING ON. LATE!
LMAO
More likely they will do nothing until the trigger looms, then they will change their behavior until the threat passes and return to business as usual.
The question I asked Senator Fully Insured Nelson is how many Americans is he willing to see die, suffer needlessly, or face financial ruin while we wait for private insurance companies to do what they could have done yesterday?
Ben needs a strong primary challenger, no matter what that means for Nelson's senate seat. Just like the insurance companies, he's only modifying his behavior while he senses there is a threat. And it's not much modification -- calling for a slow trigger is simply away to protect private insurance companies at the expense of sick people.
Nelson must go. If Nebraskans want to elect a radical winger in his place, I say fine. All Nelson is doing is slightly slowing how fast this country goes down the tubes. I say, if that's what Americans really want, let's get on with it!
Send a bill with a public option. The majority of the country wants a public option. And it's not just liberals or progressives. It's the majority of small business that want the pub option. The media is spinning shit like crazy. Their bread is buttered. And the top 1% holds the butter. They(senate) want to fillibuster. Then hold them to it.
And Oh Yeah....OMG I don't want a BLACK PRESIDENT talking to my kid.
Only a White mass murdering one.... Yeah, Cuz he's well,.... white.
Jerry Springer Show. IGNORANT FOOLS (LIMBAUG,BECK,HANNITY,CHENEY,ROVE,MCCAIN,PALIN,BUSCH) REPUBLICANS ALL!
for anyone who challenges Ben Nelson in the Primary and if he wins the primary I will give another $100 to the republican who runs against the fucker. I hate Ben Nelson!
the trigger is bs
nelson knows it...his bosses in the insurance, pharma and medical biz know it
30 years of the same bankrupt system and we need another 5 to see if the insurance companies will change their ways?
and this doesnt mean just 5...it means 10 or 15
I didn't think so.
Nor are we fooled by the co-op scam, the "insurance reform" scam, or the delayed implementation scam.
Got any more scams, you scamming scammers? Love to hear 'em; don't believe 'em; you're gonna pay for your dishonesty.
If you need any health treatments, and you have insurance, get them done now. The insurance companies have stuck all of their "denied" stamps in a drawer whilst our members of congress debate and decide. If no reform passes, the stamps will return ASAP.
With the trigger, will they be able to behave for the next four or five years? I don't think they will.
but also with the trigger they should look to switzerland & germany and have all insurance companies be non-profit organizations. That doesn't mean the CEOs can't make a pretty penny, the CEO of the Red Cross makes a fabulous salary. But it would mean a lot more public oversight of their operations.
.. goes off half-cocked.
Let's have that meeting--a shoebox will do--for everyone who believes
That posts like this punk's below don't have something up their sleeves
You see--"CNN" only has friends who think the marxist way they do
And it's their intelligence they insult here thinking they fool you
That's right--see CNN--let me say again--post a "new" health care story
And comments they don't like disappear like some non-existent allegory
Oh--the "story" reappears but--have no fears--unless the comments run far left
The CNN staff scramble to resubmit the "story" until they're out of breath
Then they have punk serial posters say how "CNN just covers for the right"
Which is precisely why FOX owns the ratings and (that's right) CNN's aren't in sight
So--keep on sucking up to Obama, guys--YOU are so fooled by what you do
While the 2010 voters will be everywhere else--and their comments will be..."CNN WHO???"
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Mon, 09/07/2009 - 04:38 — Gorlock
I don't believe there's much corporate support for liberal perspectives. CNN carries the water for the right-wing in nearly every "story" covered.
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