Cheneys a bad person evidently...who knew?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvcrEO7DsY

this is huge

PTV

The US Vice President, Dick Cheney calls on Congress to 'permanently' allow warrantless wiretaps on foreign electronic communications.

During a speech to the Heritage Foundation in Washington on Wednesday, Cheney said it is 'urgent' to renew and update the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) 'immediately and permanently'.

The 30-year-old FISA is a federal law allowing physical and electronic surveillance and the collection of 'foreign intelligence information' coming from and going to territories under US control.

In a modification made last year that will expire on February 1, the Congress empowered intelligence agencies to tap into telephone conversations and emails, without first obtaining the permission of a special FISA court.

Cheney warned of 'serious consequences' if the Congress fails to provide protection for telephone and Internet carriers from lawsuits for alleged complicity in privacy rights violations in the US 'war on terror'.

"The challenge to the country has not expired over the last six months," he said, referring to the so-called war on terror launched in the aftermath of the 9/11.

"It won't expire anytime soon, and we should not write laws that pretend otherwise," said the US Vice President.

Nothing Dick does surprises me...well, if I found out that he likes to adopt little kittens and give them to sick children, that would surprise me

I wouldn't have believed something like this.

But now... I'm only surprised that they're concerned about collateral damage. I don't believe in Hell, which is unfortunate, because both Bush and Cheney deserve nothing less.

which branch of the government is supposed to run an assassination squad? The executive, legislative, or the judiciary?

I am asking, since Cheney seemed to be under the impression that the 2nd in charge of the executive brach was actually part of the legislative...

I would only be shocked at this point if you proved that DICK was donating all his ill-gotten gains to charity !
Every American needs to read " Takeover " by Charlie Savage .
Some other good books are " House of Bush , House of Saud " by Craig Unger and " The Wrecking Crew " by Thomas Frank .
The Neo-Cons have left the Whitehouse , but their influence continues.
Unless we all keep talking about these things , Americans will get side-tracked by the failing economy - without seeing the bigger picture . If we don't push Obama to roll back unchecked Presidential power now and make the Executive branch accountable again , then we risk getting a President even worse than DICK CHENEY in the future !

He belongs before the Hague.

I too would like too see the details before I get too excited. For starters, JSOC is not a "special wing of our special operations community that is set up independently". It is part of US Special Operations Command and was set up in 1980 after the hostage crisis to better coordinate and control special operations missions.

Then we have "They do not report to anybody, except in the Bush-Cheney days, they reported directly to the Cheney office. They did not report to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff or to Mr. [Robert] Gates, the secretary of defense. They reported directly to him."
JSOC reports to US Special Operations Command, which reports to the Secretary of Defense. They do not report to the Joint Chiefs because the Joint Chiefs is an administrative, not operational body.

Maybe they've gotten missions directly from the Commander in Chief but that's why he's the Commander in Chief - he can do things like that.

In any case, it's not "an executive assassination ring" - it's a command to oversee all special operations missions, whatever they may be.

Ol' Seymour seems to have his tinfoil hat screwed on too tight.

if this turns out to be true,
then cheney and bush should be turned
over to the haigh for crimes against
humanity and the world.
this is despicable.
cheney and bush should be hung by their balls.

The Church Committee on Assassinations was a one-shot deal. Suppression of this kind of transparency and accountability has been a feature of US governance since Ronald Reagan.

Wouldn't it be nice to think that Obama might be the president who will finally bring the Military-Industrial-Congressional-Intelligence Complex to heel?

It'll never happen. Power, once accumulated, is never relinquished without revolution.

the guys doing it are not murderers, and yet they are committing what we would normally call murder.

Then they sure are murderers, just as surely as cops who kill people are murderers. They aren't ultimately responsible for the orders they receive, but they are personally responsible for obeying orders to torture and murder. I don't care if they're "troops" or not. If you say they're "the best and the brightest", they oughta be bright enough to know that torture is not only counterproductive, it's also morally and legally execrable. That someone can only be concerned about their own welfare after they've tortured someone until they're clinging to life in a pool of their own blood in unimaginable pain is sickening and ought to be punished. I hope these "special forces" guys get attacked in some of the countries they're infiltrating. They deserve it. And yes, I know I'm supposed to "support the troops" but fuck 'em if they're gonna do shit like this knowingly and then only be concerned about whether or not they can get away with it.

And of course Cheney and Bush should be imprisoned for life or worse.

"‘What do you call it when you interrogate somebody and you leave them bleeding and they don’t get any medical committee and two days later he dies. Is that murder?"

Yes, in fact, it is murder.

(Wikipedia) Lieutenant General William G. Boykin was a central figure in Special Operations during the GW Bush administration.

Go to the Wikipedia article for all the links in this quote:

A December 9, 2003 item in The Guardian (UK) connected Boykin with secret Israeli counterinsurgency assistance in Iraq, allegedly including assassination squads. [34] In another Guardian article, Sidney Blumenthal, President Bill Clinton's former senior adviser and current Washington bureau chief for Salon (US), claimed that towards the end of 2003, it was Boykin who, under Donald Rumsfeld's orders, advised then Camp X-Ray head Major General Geoffrey Miller in Guantanamo to transfer the same Camp X-Ray methods to Abu Ghraib and the Iraqi prison system. [35]

In 2003, Seymour Hersh claimed in the New Yorker (US) that Boykin was a key planner, along with Stephen Cambone, behind Rumsfeld's Special Forces approach to fighting the War on Terror. [36] Furthermore, when Boykin was questioned in a congressional inquiry regarding similarities between current War on Terror special operations and USA's Phoenix Program during the Vietnam War, he said: "I think we’re running that kind of programme. We’re going after these people. Killing or capturing these people is a legitimate mission for the department. I think we’re doing what the Phoenix programme was designed to do, without all of the secrecy." [37] and [38]

Here's the "December 9, 2003 item in The Guardian (UK)":

Israel trains US assassination squads in Iraq

So has the squad been disbanded yet? Or just handed over for Obama to run?

He does, after all, still have the million person terrorist watch list.

and he still believes in rendition and torture

and he has taken the Cheney/Addington view of the Presidency...

If this is true then this revelation is at the level of a national emergency and needs to be addressed by the Justice department and Senate committee under the glare of the public spotlight straight away.

First question I want to know is is this revelation tied in any way to the weapons grade anthrax that was sent to Sen. Leahy and others that the Bush administration tried so desperately to close just before the election.

The President needs to realize that Bush/Cheney are a suspected of being a "threat from within" and a Special Prosecutor must be appointed directly.

Also, I would put some kind of federal protection around Hersh and his contacts to prevent harm to them.

This is huge!

What kind of country does one expect to have when... it is journalists, of all people, who take the lead in concealing, protecting and justifying government wrongdoing.

Cheney will be playing softball with John King on CNN Sunday. Do you think the Corporate shill King will ask Darth about his own personal hit squad. My guess is nada.

Killing people off a list. Isn't this is a Nazi technique? It would be nice if the Hague would open a sub-court in Nuremberg to handle Cheney, et al.

It’s a very complicated issue. Because they are young men that went into the Special Forces. The Delta Forces you’ve heard about. Navy Seal teams. Highly specialized.

I guess Clancy's working for both sides. He writes books where crazed foreigners crash commercial jets into high profile target buildings, and then he writes about the secret government hit squads that attempt to put an end to the drug war in their own special way.

I wonder if we've stolen any submarines from the Russians lately.

***peep***

I hope that sy watches his back very carefully...The big Dick will not
stop at anything.
Also,I know that it is o/t,but can someone help out someone still fairly new to posting and jargon? What is meant by "concern troll?"
Also,N/T? Thanx,guys...
Dnurse,Vegas

You prove people like me right any more and "Conspiracy Nut" will become A Compliment.