Tweety Warns Weiner It Will Be 'War' With Republicans If Reconciliation Is Used to Pass Healthcare Reform. Uh, Yeah.
By Susie Madrak Wednesday Aug 19, 2009 10:00am
Someone mentioned today that Rep. Anthony Weiner was Jon Stewart's college roommate. Imagine what that duo was like. This guy is smart, passionate and willing to go the extra mile on healthcare reform. I'm glad he's doing what he does.
Now watch how upset Tweety gets when Weiner says he'd use reconciliation to ram the healthcare bill through with 51 votes. He seems to take it as a personal affront:
MATTHEWS: But you never... You would be willing to blow up the Senate rules and basically push it through that.
WEINER: What do you mean, blow up the Senate rules? Look, there's a reason that there's a Democratic House, a Democratic Senate and a Democratic presidency. That middle bloc of Americans want us to get this done.
MATTHEWS: What do you think the Republican reaction would be if you ignored the rules and pushed through a bill?
WEINER: Honestly, waiting for a Republican senator to be pleased with this process is something I'm not prepared to do.
MATTHEWS: No, what would they do? No. When war begins... Look, we've been through goddamned wars in this country, they're easy to start, it's tough to end them. How do you stop a war that starts in the United States Senate right now because you jammed through a bill with less than 60 votes?
WEINER: What do you mean, jammmed, started a war?
MATTHEWS: What are the 40 Republicans going to do? What are they gonna do?
WEINER: Look, outside of this town, the American people really don't care about whether Grassley voted for it or not.
MATTHEWS: Will the government still function if you try to jam this through with 51 votes?
WEINER: I think it will.
MATTHEWS: You think Republicans will put up with it.
Now, you notice anything there? Tweety thinks the Republicans aren't at war with the Democrats! How much worse does he think it's going to get? Arlen Specter told us at Netroots Nation that the Republican caucus decided - before the inauguration - that they wouldn't support any stimulus bill at all in order to break Obama.
During the Bush era, the Republicans wouldn't even let the Democrats sit in on their committee meetings and used every procedural trick in the book to shove legislation through.
Don't you think it's about time the Democrats stopped playing "Mother, May I?"
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Bring it on!!!!!!
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.....I signed all 3 too and then some when I got to the site. Good info. Now if Matthews would zip it and let AW talk, that would be great!
Weiner kicks ass first thing in the morning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tUmUk-jLDo&fe...
part two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toXQGSqIWP8&fe...
to be from NY.
We need more like him representing this country
I'd want his.
my favorite line.
YAHOO! - I SMELL RE=THUG BLOOD!
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lets do it
Yes, we want all out war with the PUKIES/Racists party of NO,NO,NO,NO,NO!!!!!
I say to Chuck Grassley...vote for this...or your Grassley assey will be grassey.
After seeing Weiner eat Scarborough's breakfast and then seeing him eat Chris' dinner, this guy became one of my all time favorites. He's so absolutely right. The fu*king right is not going to be happy with anything so screw them and let's do what we need to do to get what we want. They sure as hell are not going to hand it to us so let's just use the opportunity to take it. Can the right get more pissy-er than they already are and if the do, who gives a flying fu*k?
What did he have for lunch?
Probably any jerk-wad who got in his face. He's way too smart to waste his time on Joe and Chris, but if they are so stupid as to take him on, he shows no mercy.
prefer to interview other reporters on these shows?
They just rotate reporters around. Joe has Andrea on his show as a guest then Andrea has Joe on her show as a guest. Buchanan rotates around the court like a volley ball team. And Chuck Todd stands outside the white house all day for his ten live shots where he tells us what need to think. Then Joe, Andrea and Buchanan agree with him. Tomorrrow the ratation will begin all over again.
Because what is important to the media is the media.
And most of them barely understand their own ratings, much less real poll numbers. Policy is like a language from another galaxy.
speaking to any one but liberals and progressives. If others listen, good for them. Some truth never hurts. I am usually pissed off and agitated all day until they come on, and they put it all in perspective for me.
I agree 1000%
............any way we can, let's pass health care, and F**k the PUKIES one and all.
Uh . . . permanent war with Democrats has been Republican policy since the Reagan era.
Every single issue is a war. All but a handful of Republicans refuse to grant a victory to this administration. The health care debate is a replay of the worst moments of last year's election.
The best thing for Dems to do is figure out they are in power and need to use it.
My sediment exactly.
Exactly.
At least one Democrat recognizes this. Tweety apparently doesn't, and neither does Obama, who keeps calling for "bipartisanship" with the Republicans, which we know is an elusive pipe dream that will result in him giving away the store.
lets have more of this gun toting, shouting, Nazi invoking peace.
After all, Rush Limbaugh has magnanimously committed himself to bipartisanship and the success of the Obama administration.
The GOP is in a constant state of war...
about damn time we returned the favor!
Is Sherlock any relation to Shylock?
I'm just kibbitzing you already...
mothers side...
Kibbutz. Kinda like the Dem's are losing their health plan to a bunch of krazed kooks 'n kracjpots.
that some fancy new "elitist" drug?
person you posted about earlier on this Tweety-Weenie Thread.
Will it be covered with their insurance?
Given the frequency of anti-semitic rants and invocations of Naziism from the right (contradictory, but who can credit the dittoheads to know the difference), perhaps it would be best to leave Shylock out of the discussion.
I don't trust him even when he's right. He's simply an ammoral ratings whore.
You mean he's open to the highest bidder? Ewwwwwwwww.
These Villager types just can't shake the old timey habit of treating Republicans and Democrats as two precisely equal halves who must always be given exactly half the consideration and the votes, and thinking that anything less is breaking the rules.
There are hardly any Republican voters now. They number something like 20%. Almost all Americans want health care reform. We've thrown out massive handfuls of Republicans and put Democrats in their place.
Now get something done, Democrats, that's why we put you there. And leave Matthews and the other village idiots to the whining about enforced and false "bipartisanship" among a group representing less than 20% and all the rest. That's not bi, that's twisted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aA2HliA1KE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esrqV8IVorQ&fe...
"Will the government still function if you try to jam this through with 51 votes?"
Sr. Ricky asks: "Does it function now?"
Madam Patricia replies: Not with any regularity.
here.
When oh when did 60 become the norm? This is such bullshit. Weiner did a good job but it could have been better by his saying that when congress functions majority (51) is the norm! (Correction: 50% +1)
Or did I misunder
estimatestand what civics used to be taught???The GOP always scream 60 votes when they are in the minority.
Their whole smokescreen "nuclear option".
The answer again is...FUCK YOU. Filibuster! Go ahead. Make my fucking day!
I will have you cryin' like a 3 year old when I throw you and your miserable minority party under the bus with the people.
This is exactly the strategy President Clinton played when he forced Newt Gringich's hand the GOP Congress was stupid enough to shut down the national parks!
I say...here...give 'em the gun...the bullets...and when they blow their own fucking brains out...complain to them about the mess they made!
Now THAT'S the Chris Mathews we all know and love. Musta got called to the principal's office.
Ha Haaa Haaaaaa
Sylvester has figured out that by pulling the plug on Granny, Tweety is fair game in that cage.
Note to the cat: He is not much of a morsel.
Lots of chewy fat too
is getting hen pecked.
Tweety is trying to save the Republiscum! Man. what will it take to convince him the republicans are scum?
Chris asked him if he was willing to start a war. Probably not the best way to put it after bush started two real wars and people actually died.
I loved the way Weiner just blew off Chris' concern.
War is only bad if the dems do it, when the repus do it they are protecting amerika and REAL americans ........... didn't you get the memo ?
I probably deleted it without opening it. I thought it was another request from that rich guy in Kenya who needs my help getting his money out of the country or something.
these democrats would shut these reporters, town hall people up.
Lay it on them... they dont know anything about the real healthcare bills, but the Dems just give PC answers at these townhalls
Why isnt Weiner pointing out all the times the Republican party used Reconciliation??
Grow a backbone
If the Democrats grew a spine (should I even finish this though?) and did what the electorate voted them in to do, they'd grow even bigger margins in Congress.
Can we clone Rep. Anthony Weiner a few times?
on cloning in you Democrat's long range plan.
We could clone a few Sarah Palins too ... of course, that would be a win for the Democrats also.
ex-brother in-laws, and mighta-been son-in laws, though.
Does my remark reflect unfairly on the developmentally disabled?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
family.
Why should anyone else?
all the courtesy and cooperation tom delay and the rest of the bush gang showed the dems, none.
Where was this idiot when the Repugs were ramming everything through, Chris didn't seem so worried about a war with the Democrats, was he?
All of a sudden Tweety is so worried about a War in the senate. This is why I don't like Chris Matthews. Sure he acts tought from time to time, but this seems to be his true color.
I thought 51 votes was all it took to pass legislation in the Senate. 50% plus 1. Am I wrong. 60 votes are required to invoke cloture.
Will the government still function if you try to jam this through with 51 votes?
The answer is..."Chris, of course it will and it is, despite all the obstructionism and distractions thrown up by the minority party. The American people gave us a clear mandate to govern, and that's what we're going to do. We are certainly willing to work with anyone willing to work with us. However, that does not mean knuckling under to pressure from special interests who are only interested in maintaining the status quo. A status quo which the American people are clearly not in favor of maintaining, and states so very clearly at the last two elections."
THAT...is how you answer that.
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(R)epublicans still attempting to control the message.
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If the republiturds want to bring any bacon home they're gonna have to play ball with Democrats, who as winners of the last election should be calling the shots. If they don't cooperate, they will be part of the gridlock opponents from both their own party, as well as the opposition, can cite during their next reelection attempt.
... for as long as he's had his "Softball" program (for Repugs) and "Hardball" (for Dems).
I've never understood those who think he's a voice of reason, moderation or even-handedness. No one has imbibed more of the elitist Beltway Kool-Aid than this jerk.
BID
or a devil's advocate.
Oh...and I would point out to Chris Matthews that the "Schiavo" fiasco was orchestrated in the dead of night by the GOP, who flew in members for a vote cloaked in darkness.
health care.
...are you saying the Guvmint got involved with health care during the Schiavo incident???
to land on an aircraft carrier?
Guess who Chis will have on tonight? You got it, twinkle toes tom delay. I wonder if he'll show Chris some of his moves....dancing moves that is.
Does it involve a stripper pole?
I doubt they would allow strippers from Poland on Dancing with the Stars.
I've know some really hot Polish women!
And they weren't even strippers! anymore!
Are they going to talk about death panels?
What a great opening to that headline.
The number sixty is also significant in the Senate, where that's the 2/3 majority needed to override a veto, and was an issue while Franken was prevented to take the seat he won.
Basically the number is stuck in tweety's walnut brain, like a pretzel in boosh's throat.
What is two thirds of one hundred. Don't misplace the decimal or you will reveal yourself as one of his followers.
WTF Tweety, the republicans declared war with the democrats and citizens way back in....in...oh fuck forever.
http://www.tubechop.com/watch/22468
says it all... a perpectual war.
create the bill in reconciliation..OUR bill...and put it out to a vote.
People like Mitch McConnell, he of the pruneface and tiny nutsack and John Boehner, he of the golden tan and pursed lips, don't have the stones to force this issue.
Again....the GOP threatens...tell them...GO AHEAD...MAKE MY DAY.
Weiner is such a refreshing change from the usual. He talks fast and does not mince words. I particularly liked his response to the question about the Hyde amendment. Got his answer AND his reasoning in all in a few seconds. It is people like this man who renew my faith in representative democracy.
I felt the same way the first time I heard him speak yesterday morning. He knows what he's talking about and doesn't get all loud and emotional as he makes his case.
The job of the 40 GOPers is to put forward good ideas and solutions to problems that is what they are suppose to do.
No. Their job is to lick the majority's nuts in public, in the hopes of getting some kind of pork project for their state in return, be quiet, and bring the coffee and donuts.
but President Weiner sounds pretty good, at least he has a pair
...you said with relish.
But could he mustard the job?
Gezz, ysb, I always have to "ketchup" with your humor....
condiment.
Weiner, he has balls
We had a president bush so wouldn't it only be fair to have a president weiner?
Said the Freudian.
Is my slip showing?
Nice buns.
Yeah, I'm a chip off the old block.
Take a wee gander at those gams!
has more brains in his small head than Tweety has in his fat head?
Is he for real. SCREW the repukulans, lets see threat of the atomic rule, failure to put Democrats on their committees, CHANGING VOTES to suit their needs, failure to give the Dem's' a meeting room, Turning off the LIGHTS in Chambers as the depart and discussion is still going on.
SCREW the RNC it supporters and their NAZI tactics. WE DO NOT NEED THE RNC or any Repukulan. They as as useful as teats on a BOAR HOG.
It's war now.
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don't seem to be working at all today.
If we give a rats ass if Republicans are on board. This is crap. The Republicans have shown time and again they don't care to get reform done. They tell their constituents (who wanted reform in November)that they are for it but the Dems idea of reform is socialism. They fail to point out that they offer nothing themselves.
SCREW THEM!!!
The Reslugs never had any intension of voting for anything that the majority of the people voted the Dem's in to do. The Reslug party of "NO IDEAS" only wants to obstruct and habitually lie.
Where the hell was this Weiner guy when the Democrats were looking for someone to run for president in the last election? He should have been the nominee instead of Mr. Bipartisanship.
As an added bonus it would be hilarious to see the teabagged stooges carrying "No Weinercare" signs.
Chris employed his usual high speed interrogation technique to throw Wiener off his game.Ha.Nice try Tweets,but this guy's too bright for your games.It's really rewarding hearing someone be perfectly honest and with such seamless clarity.Wiener demonstrates real courage of conviction as well which is soooooooo rare with this namby pamby gutless edition of Dems.
Maybe this has been asked, but I was wondering, wouldn't a punlic option on health care save big business money? Say all their employees went on it and saved the company from paying their health insurance, which the companies seem to bitch about all the time. Why are the so-called pro big business repubs against this?
Sane answers please.
I thought the same thing until I learned that many of these large corporations are self insured and actually benefit from employees insuring with them. Not only that but many of their board members sit on the boards of the health insurance, hospitals and big pharma companies.
small businesses though? I meant the big corps can generally take care of themselves, unless they need a bailout.
saying that all small businesses should be for healthcare reform but the chamber of commerce has been advertising against reform.
There are fewer and fewer people starting their own businesses for just this reason. Reforming HC would definitely increase the number of small businesses.
Stop listening to Republicans. Stop negotiating with them. Stop trying to appease them! The Dems need to start acting like the party in charge and grow a pair. That is why their poll numbers have been dropping. It's because they aren't showing the leadership they were elected for. Twist some friggin' arms and get the Dems in line and ram through a bill with a public option and to hell with the Rethugs and the wingnuts and their lies!! The party needs more Dems like Rep. Weiner.
Wouldn't it be great if Tweety would quit always interrupting and talking over his guests so they could get their point out??
Wed, 08/19/2009 - 08:18 — Truth_Critic
"Please plan on increasing your jurisdiction's national threat level accordingly... the Talibirchers are relentless!"
Nothing to Fear but Fear Itself
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvonsjqE2a4 ](1:00)
Wow. What a mensch. Could he possibly have a national future? I doubt it. Jewish, married/engaged to a woman of Saudi origins... (or is that the new magic in America.... maybe it is.)
So who's worth listening too? Feingold and Weiner and Franken and Frank. Wyden, my senator isn't bad either, but a bit too centrist. I swear I don't just like each of those politicians (all of Jewish origins, and more or less claiming to be Jews) because I'm Jewish. It's completely objective! (Or is it some subconcious tribal thing?)
But I can't think of many people in the Congress I like more. OK Bernie Sanders. And my other Senator Merkley, who may shape up to be more progressive than Wyden.
But realistically, with an unfortunate name like "Weiner" ... no way to say it that works to your advantage... the Senate is a high as he'll go. Cracks me up that he and Stewart roomed together.
He could always change it to Savage.
Or to Les Wynen.
More music and Les Nesman?
Can Republicans deliver less than zero votes?
before the "D's" that are negative numbers.
...F*CK 'EM
If they choose to stand for the Insurance Corporations instead of the American people....just F*CK 'EM!!
but Democrats can't do the same?
Another example of the right wing double standards...
'Do as I say, but not as I do'
Do these Republican asshats have ANY credibility?
President Obama needs this guy on his staff. He blew tweety out of the water.
Please, step away from the bipartisan red herrings.
Please, grasp that the internet is the newest progressive invention that enables our entire species to become more knowledgeable and to communicate more readily. We now have the unique opportunity to use our exponentially developing technologies to access and organize factual information, and to work together to make macro-level decisions to benefit our entire planet.
Please, recognize that we're "all bozos on this bus"! We cannot exit this planet at the next galaxy, so we must inevitably learn to live together, or continue to sacrifice ourselve and our young people in unwarranted "wars" that benefit only the wealthiest among us.
Finally, please, please, please, recognize that promoting fear, hate and divisiveness of any kind will never result in anything positive. Reject your fear. Let go your hate.
“You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy. But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike. If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. If you are kind only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else?" (Matthew 5:43-47) [Do not mistake my use of this quote as an adjuration to embrace some specific organized religion--just listen to the words, which are timeless and universal.]
Gandhi, King, Dalai Lama--these great pacifists and others like them give excellent examples of effective responses to 'hatemongering' and fear. One doesn't need to wear rose-colored glasses to recognize that love is the most effective palliative in these trying times. Love can also help those who aspire to effective pacifism to accept that those who hate or fear are the only ones who can find their personal path to peaceful membership in our Global Family.
Personally, I pray for patience and acceptance, because so many of the Angry Group (tyvm Dana Gould) really push my hate buttons.
Who are you? Fricking Yoda?
Anyhoo, because I don't feel like double posting...
I just love the blinking, dumb-founded look in Tweety's face as Anthony is talking about what value health insurance has in this country.
Would that I could deny my Yoda-like ears...
Way to grasp the obvious, Einstein.
They whole point of the thread is about someone who refused to be sucker-punched by the partisan stance and tactics of a supposedly MSM representative.
Oh that'll be fine. For all their gushing about war, Republicans have proven astonishingly bad at managing them.
Until I see some action, it's all hot air to me. My party talks a big game but so far that's all.
We must do more than talk if this is to happen. The 60 seat hopes in the Senate was bullshit to begin with so why are they still trying? Let the GOP whine and lie(and possibilty filabuster) until they're blue in the face as long as we get a bill to the presidents desk.
The progressive caucus needs to step to the front of the fight and hit harder IMO.
Talk about editorializing and subliminal messaging.
There he is, not angry, highly rational, but his positions are being labeled as "anger on the left".
Propaganda enough for you?
Isn't reconciliation one of the rules? Matthews is such a girlie man sometimes.
...if he would vote for a House bill without a public option...Weiner hesitated. The unassailable wall became "I don't know."
You can read minds.
Can you tell us what else he was thinking?
"What animal had to die to make that toupe?"
Point. Set. Match.
Who cares about upsetting the Republizan Chris? This is about the private insurance corporation draining people of their life blood and then pulling the plug because you have a pre existing condition. talk about the heartless corporation being the boss of me!
The faceless corporation is not the boss of me!
They were roommates AFTER college. They did not attend the same schools.
http://www.telltalegames.com/videos/sammaxwar...
Why is Chris Matthew so shocked at the possibility of using the reconciation process? Doesn't he know the Republicans used the same tactic repeatedly over the last eight years? Was it taboo then?
This reminds me of the whole filibuster/nuclear option drama from a few years ago. The Democrats suggested they'd use it *once*, and all the talking heads were aghast, and the question became, "should the Republicans use the nuclear option?".
Two years later, the Republicans filibuster EVERYTHING, and there's not so much as a peep out of the people who were shocked at the idea before. They have to remember this-- they can't be that stupid.
You know what I think it is? In this discussion, "Democrat and Republican" are just short hand for "corporate vs. populace" or "wealthy vs. non-wealthy". These people are shocked at the idea of the peons actually defying their 'betters'. You're supposed to sit patiently on the floor and wait for scraps, not take a seat at the table.
It "will" be war? What is it now?
WTf Do they think we have now?
Nicey nice with everyone lovie dovie?
When you ask a question, STFU and let the guy answer, you rude POS. Your viewers can't hear the conversation or the answers because you won't STFU. Show some respect for your guests and for your audience, asshole.
Mirroring the AstroTurf zombies...disruption and controversy are all Tweety is really ever after, as always. This isn't journalism. It's Jerry Springer redux.
My sentiments exactly
I think Robert Reich has the right idea; “We won't get a public option, or anything close to it, unless people who feel strongly about it make a racket.” [politico.com]. I'd like to see and hear a million people marching on Washington like they did for Civil Rights. Imagine a million Americans marching together, chanting "It's Not About You!"! This would drive home a new message- specifically; that Health care no longer exists FOR insurance and drug companies. Not anymore; those days are over. President Obama is probably hoping for exactly this kind of true grass level support. If even a fraction of the 76% of Americans who say they want a Public Health Option were to stand in front of the steps of the the White House and demand the President address us...I believe President Obama would have all the fuel he needs to pass true Cradle to Grave health care for all Americans who want it (and in his first year in office). Otherwise he'll do what he has to do until we do stand up... and that's compromise. So, how bad do you want it 76%?
I've heard it's supposed to be "Grandparent's Day," September 13.
I suppose Grandparents Day would be as good as any. God knows there are plenty of seniors who desperately need this. I do wonder if any real momentum (numbers) can be organized by September 13th without some heavy hitters?
Reich said he would be happy to help out any way he could. Now we need some real muscle to help take this from idea to reality. I believe this is where C&L, Huffington Post, DailyKos, MoveOn.org, and other Progressive sites can do the most good for Public Health Care RIGHT NOW. If these sites make the case to those of us who are most likely to be motivated and organized to actually do this...we can turn an idea into reality. How else will President Obama ever feel he truly has 76% support from American voters if we don't stand up with him to put Big Pharma and the Insurance Industry on notice... that when it come to health care in American ...."It's Not About You"!
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