Michael Moore denied entry into the NYSE
By John Amato Wednesday Jun 27, 2007 7:58pm Update: 
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It seems the money-men don't want Moore anywhere near them at the NYSE. Michael Moore went down to Wall Street to ask people to divest from health insurance companies and guess what happened? He couldn't get in...CNBC's Maria Bartiromo looks pretty flustered when Moore asks her if any other guest had ever been denied access with her before?
Moore: They'll let me on the floor tomorrow?
Bartiromo: We don't have the permission...(stumbling)...to do that...
Moore: Has anyone been denied with you as a guest?
Bartiromo: Ummm, hey...let's talk about health care a second....
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bartiromo is cute. i would do her -- homework.
They'll let Coultergeist in with her skanky black dress if she promises to say something hateful about Michael Moore.
He is a treasure. Thankyou Michael.
Michael Moore = True American Hero
Michael Moore is nothing more than a rich white man trying to make more money. He's no hero. He's no nothing but a man looking to make more money. Once in awhile the truth gets in the way of his stories.
ROTFLMAO! All Moore has to do is show up and people freak out.
Divesting in a company is the stupidest thing ever... and here's why: the stock market has become a casino. This ain't your grand-daddy's stock market anymore.
Let me give you an example: Haliburton (HAL) is trading around $35.00 a share recently. I decide to buy 10 shares of HAL for a total of $350. They would be very lucky to see $3.00 of my money. What has changed is that ever since 1970, there has been more and more derivatives in the stock market, such as options, SSF, ETFs, futures on indexes... the list goes on and on. On top of that, the electronization of the markets allows anyone to buy and sell the same stock hundreds of times a day... it used to be that when you bought a stock, you held on to it for at least a day. Back in 1970, roughly 90% of the stock market was investment... today, it's less than 10%, and the rest is speculation.
Therefore, the only thing dumping a stock is going to do is just lower the price of the stock... it's not going to do dick all to the company, because barely any of that money actually belongs to the company, nor is it a necessary resource for the company to survive. Besides... if you do hold a handful of shares of a company (I think it's $500 worth), you are still given the right to go to their share holder meetings and raise a shit storm. A small group of nuns did this with Phillip-Morris, GM, Shell, and other notorious companies.
NChomsky @ 5:
Commie
This is going to be the most effective film he's made to date. The medical community is freaking out right now, and they should be.
Liberal media my ass. Bartiromo was pretty afraid of that subject and wanted nothing more than for Moore to drop it. If established TV personalities are that afraid of the truth, then there is no way of hearing anything but the approved corporate message.
NChomsky @ 5:
He may have made money recently, but when he made "Roger and Me," he had to mortgage his home. True, he did make money of "Fahrenheit 9/11."
If he's not your hero, who is?
They are so scarred of someone speaking the truth. And so few people do it these days.
Michael Moore - you are a good man in bad times!
"If he’s not your hero, who is?"
Oh come on people. He's only doing all this stuff for money. Period. Yes, he does get some facts, that is true. But he also spins like he's making a sweater with every movie he makes. Even Fahrenheit was spun. He's good at it, but he certainly is no hero. What he is, is a heart attack waiting to happen from living so high on the hog. He just wants to be a media whore like Paris Hilton. It's all about Michael, and not about the average American he pretends to speak for. He's an actor, and pretty good at it. But hey, what else to expect from Americans that think the Dems are gonna make everything all rosey and wonderful when they get elected.
There's far easier ways to make money, if that's all you're concerned about.
Anyone who is willing to dedicate their time and money in an effort to elevate the discourse and challenge people to think is a true patriot. Michael Moore epitomizes what democracy is about.
I disagree with the comment that the reporter was afraid of the issue and tried to make MM drop it. I thought she was pretty good. In fact she directed MM away from the silly grandstanding about where he was and was not being let in to (a la GM HQ in Flint: OK we get it, the corpos don't want you to come into their buildings with your cameras.. fine) and got him to where he's effective and has a chance of convincing people who lean right. She gave him an excellent opportunity to state his case, which he did well. Let's not be paranoid lefties now.. this is an issue where we can find common cause with many righties. This could become the wedge issue that will end repugnican rule for the time being.
And anyone who thinks that our current health care system is not broken needs a healthy dose of reality.
45 million Americans without health insurance and most of these have full time jobs.
Bartiromo is a shill for corporate America. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil of the almighty DOLLAR!
Ms. Bartiromo's attempt to defend the capitalist system rang hollow in light of how the health industry has put the need for profit above the needs of its patients. It is clear that her allegiance lies, to quote Dickens, with the vested interests of this country.
I wouldn't hold my breath, MM terrifies them. CNBC was runnning the crawl "Does Michael Moore Hate America?" last week.
It's funny that the only place Bush ever gets a wonderful welcome is when he goes to the NYSE. I long for a leader like FDR that would see all the corruption in that place and put the fear of the United States government into these people for screwing American citizens.
Dear Misses Roosevelt,
don't hang your head and cry!
His mortal clay is laid away, but his good work fills the sky
This world was lucky to see him born.
He took his office on a crippled leg, he said to one and all:
"You money changin' racket boys have sure 'nuff got to fall;"
This world was lucky to see him born,
In senate walls and congress halls he used his gift of tongue
To get you thieves and liars told and put you on the run;
This world was lucky to see him born
He helped to build my union hall, he learned me how to talk;
I could see he was a cripple but he learned my soul to walk;
This world was lucky to see him born.
I've seen this film, and it is shocking! Having just encountered a healthcare system nightmare myself, our horrifically broken system is proof positive that raw capitalism can be just as rancid and detrimental to an entire people as can be any other ideology.
Mike is indeed my hero, and we should all stand strong together and with him to demand conversion to a single payer universal healthcare system. With nearly 50 MILLION Americans without insurance waiting to be bankrupted and/or denied medical care, and even those with insurance who still are being systematically destroyed financially, our dire situation is utterly disgusting and is nothing short of a national disgrace!
NChomsky @ 13:
I think before you make accusations as to spins, why don't we have an honest conversation and name the socalled spins.
Here in the UK we have a National Health Service.
It's not perfect - nothing ever is. But it's a damn sight better than what the "World's Greatest Superpower" Aka Bush's Fascist state has to offer.
Thank God I'm a "Brit" and not a "yank".
Tomorrow if I'm seriously ill I will be treated the SAME DAY. No cost to me.
It's called National Insurance.
Right wing USA would sell their Grandmother's ashes if they thought it'd turn in a profit.
Isn't this called The American Dream? Profit for me me me.
We here in the UK left this philosophy behind when Thatcher left 10 Downing Street back in 1990.
N. Chomsky, you are full of yourself, and yourself is regurgitated bovine by-product. I work at a college of public health, and I am monitoring a class on health administration policy as I write. These fuckers are scared of Michael Moore and his ideas.
And, M.M. made some money? Good on him. What's your point? All you can say is that he is fat and that people liked his movies and his views enough that he earned an income. That's something repukes can't stand now, isn't it?
I listen to the teachers of health administration and policy every day, and for most, but not all, it's all about profit, not health care.
BTW, Paris Hilton is your sickness. Not mine.
NChomsky @ 13:
Like Paris Hilton? A media whore? Boy, you are clueless. More just recently started doing interviews again. If he was what you claimed, where's he been since shortly after his last movie?
Here's a quarter, buy yourself a clue and quit being a hater.
You get to watch the death of capitalism in increments.
Moore is kind of like 60 minutes used to be. He shows up at you door and everybody goes nuts. Don't have to worry about that with 60 minutes any time soon.
Ron @ 24:
NChomsky @ 5:
once in the while well duh!
Ron @ 24:
You want to have an honest conversation? Big laugh, when you accuse Moore of being something he's not. When you're ready to be honest, come back and then maybe you can enjoy that honest conversation.
I'm a Canadian, and I will say that the way he depicts Canada in his films is often more Idyllic than it really is. All the same I would not call Michael Moore a media whore like Paris Hilton. He makes films; if he makes money at it it's not any more his fault than if Spielberg makes money off his films.
And even about Paris Hilton: what would be the point of a media whore if the media were not such johns? The attention Hilton gets says more about our sorry media than about her.
I love it! Bring up Micheal Moore and the far right wingnuts come out in force to smear him.
Libertarianism = Fascism with a joint in its mouth.
Greg @ 29:
Greg, I don't get your point. Nchomsky is the one that said Moore spins the issues.
NChomsky @ 5:
Why do we always (character)assassinate people who try to help us?
Why is it that right wingers presume that anyone who has become rich by their own efforts who see it as their social responsibility to help people who are less fortunate than themselves are hypocrites? What are they supposed to do? Give away all their hard earned money, become voiceless and neutered? Right wingers just can't stand the idea that some people like George Soros and Micheal Moore have a profound sense of social responsibility and are outspoken.
In other words, Wall Street fears Michael Moore.
How fitting.
THANK YOU THANK YOU MICHEAL MOORE!!!
Snowball @ 36:
Right wingers think that they are the only ones that should make money. They think that the rest of us are too stupid. If they weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouths, maybe they would find out how good it is to do something productive.
Speaking of smear. I love the poorly disguised unAmerican attacks on Ron Paul. I see peppered about. Smearing is a favorite past time of wingnuts from both partisan stupidity clubs.
It's far more hypocritical to me to be rich and pull up the ladder after you. Why are Conservatives and Libertarians so afraid of hard working people getting an even break? I assume it must be because deep down they know they don't really deserve their generous trust funds that they inherited from their parents.
NChomsky @ 5:
You seem to be afraid of Michael Moore. You are afraid of the truth. Instead of discussing the horrible condition our health care is in in this country, you seem only to attack the messenger. Personal attacks on someone are a hallmark of the right wing. Noam Chamsky is not a right winger. I don't think he would like it if you spoke for him.
If someone has to be poor to be a hero, I guess Batman is not a hero.
NChomsky is no leftist. Just another pathetic right wing troll here in a vain attempt to aggravate and divide. Notice he provided no evidence for his claims. I expect he'll be back soon with a link to some far right website.
Moore is Unbelieveaable. Dropping hydrogen bomb talking points over Bartiromo's HEAD.
Destroying the for profit insurance companies in an abridged lecture on msnbc.
I wonder if Maria Bartiromo's deductable is as high as mine is. I doubt it. I'll be broke and in debt before I ever reach it should I suffer some catastrophic illness.
Good for you Michael. Somebody needs to ask tough questions of these goons, all they ever talk to is synchophant, mumbling droids on Wall Street. Don't ever give up.
I'd much rather pay $45 a month in taxes for universal health care to the government than to my insurance company. Then I'd know that that money was going towards a decent purpose. There would also be no deductable, the care would be provided at no extra cost and uncontested.
Why is it that right wingers have no problem getting soaked by giant corporations and getting little or nothing in return, while they cry like babies over contributing to the public commons? They are either stupid suckers or rapacious predators.
What I don't understand is that in all of the countries that have a universal health care system, a private system exists as well. Those who feel that a universal system would be inferior always have the right to obtain private insurance. Moore made a great point with the effeciency of Medicare. People on Medicare don't wait for a year today so why would opening that up to the general public change anything? The argument that universal coverage will not work always makes the assumption that it requires the government to take over hospitals and doctors' offices. While they may do this in other countries, it would never be the case in the US. The coverage would be government run, yet the hospitals and doctors would remain private. No one ever suggests otherwise.
Universal health care does not mean that we have to duplicate what other countries do, but rather do better to make it more effective. Those against this usually miss the entire point.
I think that the NYSE people are still mad at Moore when he filmed this kick ass Rage music video. I seriously wonder that it might be directly ralated to why he wasn't allowed in.
Snowball @ 49:
Excellent question. Could never figure out the logic behind the undying loyalty the right wingers have for anything that is detrimental to their well-being.
I think that the NYSE people are still mad at Moore when he filmed this kick ass Rage music video. I seriously wonder that it might be directly ralated to why he wasn’t allowed in.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jz8wU9DdbqU
[Thanks for helping-Sitemonitor]
"They are either stupid suckers or rapacious predators."
I vote for both.
So he makes money. Is that a crime or something? I hear about it if I do a donation drive to keep the site running. Moore is able to raise the issue into the minds of Americans that can't be done by politicians...That's why they fear him...If we're ever going to fix our broken system it's going to happen now or never...
Moore might have a good argument for his healthcare position, but he is wrong with his comment about the exchange. He wasn't denied access; he never applied for it. His arguments might carry further with the general public if he wasn't also a giant douche.
I have a letter somewhere from an insurance company when I first got hurt. I had disability insurance, but because I left a comment on Amazon they denied me and threatened to dig deeper if I pursed it...It was really weird...
I really love this guy and the show he used to have ("The Awful Truth")....
I want him to stay around for a long, long, long time...
So I really think he needs to lose some weight because it would be a loss to lose him too soon....
notgiven @ 57:
Usually the interviewer sets up passes for access not Moore. He's the guest.
Moore did a great job especially when he said no Canadian is going to trade their national health card for an American HMO. I would dare say, no one on the planet who has national health care would trade in what they have for our system. It makes no sense.
Moore should have mentioned that we actually pay, per capita, over $6,000 per person for health care in this country. The nearest one to us is Luxembourg who pay about $5,000 per capita. Which one do you think gets better health care? Plus, there are many countries who pay much less than that. Half of all bankruptcy in this country is because of health related reasons.
What we have is a sick joke and has been for quite a while. It is time to end the madness and do what needs to be done. And if, for some strange reason, you don't know what that is, then just look at what everyone else does around the world and that will give you a good idea.
ashton @50 is correct--we'll never see a government run/owned system, but rather a single party (govt.) payor system, which would be a improvement over the current mess. I would argue, however, that MM gets more mileage over being denied access to the floor of the NYSE than not.
John Amato @ 56:
Pay them no never-mind John. It's a common troll ruse. Try to silence anyone with access to a platform or enough power to express Progressive views and claim that they are hypocrites for being successful. Right wingers hate nothing more than truly self-made successful people. It makes them self-conscious and they fear nothing more than self-reflection. You would too if you were as filled with self-hatred and envy as they are.
baby jesus wonders why the silly little humans don't want to take care of each other.
notgiven @ 57:
Considering that he is the one being interviewed, I am sure that the network who has press access would be the ones to apply for access. There would have to be some way to verify that he was actually being interviewed other then him simply claiming it.
Third grade name calling always makes an excellent point by the way.
[Deleted-Not much of a contribution on your part-Sitemonitor]
John H @ 66:
Did you have something coherent to say? Perhaps a point to make?
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Mike kicks everyone's ass again Big Time, his analogy about the firefighters being restricted from fighting certain fires because of cost is right on.
Imagine a fire chief saying to a news reporter "well we weren't allocated the funds to put that fire out because those people didn't have the right classification according to our adjuster accountants".
RIDICULOUS!
Mike NAILS THEM ON THIS ONE!
Wow. I thought Maria was actually openly hostile towards Michael. It was covered poorly. Can you imagine a conservative anti-abortionist ever getting such passive agression? No way.
=my2c
BC
We have the best Doctors??
Bartiromo wants to get sick here?...Well apart from her having top tier insurance American doctors kill around 200,000 people a year...
That is more deaths then is caused by guns every years in the US..
Now I am not saying that we do not have some excellent specimens when it comes to Doctors ...However saying "WE HAVE THE BEST~!!!!" ....is pretty disingenuous. .. People need to start waking up to the very real fact that WE ARE NOT THE BEST country on the earth... We are NOT number 1...in anything that really counts..
That breeds some disgusting complacency... So when you hear someone say ..."USA IS NUMBER 1"
Just ask them ... "In what?"
Military spending, Nuclear Weapons, Obesity, Diabetes, Prisoners, and Billionaires...is nothing to be proud of...
Also to note... in these other countries, you can receive stem cell treatments, radio frequency harmonics...and a whole slew of almost miraculous medical treatments that are currently banned by the FDA...or still pending review...
Did you notice the NOSEDIVE the stock market took today at 3pm?
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EIXIC&t=1d
I looked at the market today and saw that, and wondered what the hell happened?! At first I assumed it was something to do with the FEDERAL RESERVE making the announcement about the interest rates. But now I know the stock market took that dive because they were afraid Moore was going to walk in with a SUICIDE BOMB tied around his waist, like the Michael Moor puppet did in TEAM AMERICA!
Superb reasoning by Moore!!
The solutions have always been there, but greed has always been in the way!
All our problems are due to greed!!
1) Actually, I think the reason Bartiromo was so flustered, and wanted to change the subject was because it was probably her CNBC producers who told her she couldn't take him inside, and she didn't want to admit that. (She probably got permission to do the inside interview from a lower level producer, who then got overruled at the last minute by the top deck. If it was just NYSE people who wouldn't let them inside, I'd think she'd LOVE to show that on TV. It would make her more famous if the two of them were seen getting put in a headlock by a goon in a black suit, with an earplug.)
2) I hope Moore points out in his movie that the same old conservative mass psychology techniques are being used to SCARE a narrow majority of Americans into believing that the U.S. health care system is the best. It's only 'the best' for about 1/3 of Americans who are well insured, and another third who are barely insured. Pump some irrational fear into 2/3 of the American public about how they will have to wait in line for surgery, or not choose their own doctors for treatment (something most HMOs don't let them do anyway), and bam...those 2/3 of the sheepish public will say 'screw the 1/3 who have no insurance at all.' In Bowling for Columbine he pointed out that conservatives use FEAR to fight sensible gun regulations. In Farenheit 911 he pointed out that conservatives used FEAR to re-elect a gang of crooks who's only manifesto for America is socialism for the rich, and I hope he points out in THIS movie that the fear factor is alive and well in the health care debate.
3) I hope everybody is reading Al Gore's book THE ASSAULT ON REASON. He outlines in detail, with data from cognitive psychology and neurology studies, how fear is the most potent motivator of human behavior, and how conservatives have learned how to play fear like a violin, to get the American public to do what is NOT in their best interests time and time again. Nixon was famous for saying "people react to fear, now love. They don't teach you that in Sunday School, but it's true." Well, if the American public can finally see how the conservative magic trick works, they won't be fooled by it any longer.
Now just remember- if you disagree with me, or something in your experience contradicts my sanctimonious, "balanced" drivel, that makes you a "hater"...meanwhile, I get to denigrate you because neither one of us can actually think...Am I getting close?....PS, confidential from Dear Abby to rduke #70: You Rock!
Hm, I wonder if MM's next movie will be about... Wall Street?
Michael Moore = National Treasure
Please tell me that Moore will mention this incident very publicly.
NChomsky @ 5:
Of course he is a white man making money, but what is wrong with that?? since when is making money immoral? He brings issues to the forefront in a very public way and then slams you in the face with them. The majority of what he says is known if you bother to think for yourself and YES he may add his own SPIN on things but at least he speaks about issues that matter.
Some friends and I wil be seeing the movie next Monday.
Most of the rich among the right never did a damn thing to earn their position.
I give you the idiot president and the controlling board at Clear Channel.
Everyone else did the work they profit from and know the markets.
They want Americans to get by on lower wages year after year.
When it comes to the fact our working people can't afford to pay for their medical bills you'd think they'd shut up and think twice for a second.
Just for one second, and realize how pluked Americans are.
Americans aren't stupid, but they are kept in ignorance by corporate right wing propaganda. Michael Moore is doing a great job of un-stupefying America. After generations of exposure to right wing bullshit on corporate TV, finally people are hearing a little truth via the typical, screwed Americans in Moore's hard-hitting documentaries. He does make a profit on these movies, but you know what? That just proves he's not a socialist. Michael Moore is a gun-carrying member of the NRA, and he makes truthful movies for profit.
When they say Justice is blind, in this country they mean it turns a blind eye.
You know, I'm not at all a big Michael Moore fan--not so much that most of what he says isn't true, his style just rubs me the wrong way.
That said, this particular movie couldn't have come at a more poignant time for me. See, I just spent two years getting put through the HMO ringer, and I'm nowhere near out of it yet.
To the US's credit, we do have some spectacularly good doctors, and I got to see them and get properly diagnosed. The bad news is, these doctors were at an upscale clinic 1000 miles from where I live and I had to pay out of pocket to see them because my HMO apparently preferred outrageously expensive life support to an actual diagnosis. I won't even get started on the fact that half of the problem was caused by it taking quite literally 3 months of phonecalls to get one simple, relatively inexpensive test approved and scheduled, during which the combination of stress and mistreatment due to no practical diagnosis (because of no test!) quite literally nearly killed me.
When you do the math at the end, they tried to avoid paying for a $1000 test, which ended up costing them WAY upwards of $50,000 on emergency treatments, which wouldn't have even been necessary if they'd shelled out the $20,000 for the fancy clinic diagnosis instead of letting me waste away for six months before I got so desperate I did it myself.
I'm half willing to believe they were just hoping I'd hurry up and die, if I thought that their malice was even that logical. But no, it's just rank bureaucratic idiocy. Seriously, so far as I can tell when a claim comes their way, somebody rolls a die. If it's a 1 or a 2, they deny it for a randomly selected reason. If it's a 3 or 4, they request more information to put off paying. If it's a 5 or a 6, they pay.
Seriously. That's the only logical explanation I can come up with--they deny things that they should pay for, pay for things that they already said they wouldn't, and take approximately six months to do ANYTHING.
You go, Moore. I don't care whether you're an angel in a robe of lard or a greedy opportunist. It's the message, not the messenger.
NChomsky @ 5:
The real Chomsky would not have misspelled a while.
I'm a HC practitioner. Listening to MM was a breath of fresh air. The man has definitely done his homework on this.
Medicare pays me regularly and efficiently for the medical work that I perform, even though there is a 6 week reimbursement (payout) window. I can submit claims up to a year after the procedure. The pure HMO's mimic the Medicare structure very closely, but their premiums cost nearly as much as the private plans, due to their overhead (many redundant administrators). The private carriers like Blue Cross suck. They outright ignore my claims, or they deny for reasons like "Does not fall under patient's plan", which means "we are ignoring you until you (or the patient) can prove TO US that the patient was covered". I have procedures that are years old that I have been fighting to get paid for. And Moore is correct. I have to call the private carriers and get THEIR PERMISSION to treat. It's called preauthorization. This involves talking to a 21 yera old who has absolutely NO knowledge of medicine at all. That individual has handouts and charts from which to decide whether the treatment is covered. But that makes little difference, because at the other end of the building they will deny claims for as long as possible to keep that money in their interest bearing accounts and stock market investments.
The privates also regularly lowball the Medicare rate of reimbursement to hospitals and practitioners. As a person who's income is totally dependent upon this system, I would gladly welcome a single payer (not universal) healthcare system.
MM makes money off of his films? So what? Thing is also, he invests his money into those films and if they flop, he loses money.
Second you should be happy there is a person out there willing to put his money down and inform people of problems in the world. Yes, the truth can really hurt and might not be to our liking, but I for one would rather have my view crushed beneath the boot of a Michael Moore then by the lies of some fascist.
Third, the thing this country really needs are people willing to second guess everything and ask the questions no one, even the 'liberal media' does not dare to ask.
Someone who, while he might respect them, does not fear them to ask the questions.
If people like politicians or comps lose the feeling they are being watched they start doing stupid stuff.
We all might be approached by the demons of our deeds but it is how we react that defines us.
MM can make as many films as he likes, but if our only reaction to them is to do nothing afterwards, those you just complained about, were horrified about or were ashamed about will win another day.
One thing for sure is that the Health Insurance companies and the big Pharma are going to invest in lobbying and Presidential candidates more than ever before, after Sicko makes a splash.
You really think these companies will contribute to the campaigns of Dems that have health care plans?
Dems are going to be up against these companies and their moola$$$ this next election. Overwhelmingly so.
Michael Moore is a great man with a mighty, mighty pair. He's devoted so many years to fighting corporate bastardry that if he wasn't rich I'd be sending him money like I do Greenpeace to keep up the good fight.
In Australia, our health care is good. Gun deaths are minimal; ONE guy died to a gunshot in the city and it was national news. But we need Michael Moore because our Prime Minister is the fawning lackey of George W Bush who always tries to move education, health, etc to an American model. AAAARGH!!!!
Please please please elect a new President so our leader has a new one to follow.
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I would like to expand on Mr Moore's observation concerning the 9/11 rescue workers, HERO'S, that are BEING DENIED the very thing that is available to the some 500 (suspected) al-Qaeda detainees; HEALTH CARE!
The detainees, of all some 500, how many have been found guilty of being an enemy combatant? Illegal enemy combatant? Even charged with a crime? So, no matter how illegally we treat our life time detainees, making sure to take care of their health needs; This way we can counter/justify our torture of them, "But we make sure to recover them from the brink of death, so that makes it O.K. NO?"
But the rescue workers of America's greatest crime experienced against herself, none.
UNACCEPTABLE!
Moore endorses HR 676 Urge your Congressional Representative to cosponsor HR676
"NChomsky" is obviously a rightwing troll. There are one or more of these bottom-dwellers that like to choose names of leftwing people when they post. As will all these trolls, he is clueless and just posts to try to get a reaction. It is not worth it to give him the time of day.
As to the reporter Bartiromo, she is also a clueless shill for her corporate masters. She says she would not wanted to be treated in Canada or Europe. What does she even know about treatment in those various countries? Not only do they have top-notch treatment for the most difficult problems, they provide excellent treatment for the whole range of medical problems for everybody. She is obviously speaking from ignorance. If she had a medical problem in the countries Moore mentions, she would receive great treatment.
One example from the high-end is the face transplants that have been successfully done in France and even China. The same French medical team also carried out the first hand transplant.
Max-1 @ 89:
Amen to that one! HR 676 needs to be made into law.
The trolls who come on to this thread fall into two basic categories:
1. Free market wingnuts who stock in pharmacueticals or insurance companies.
2. Paid trolls by Big Pharma or the Insurance companies. It was made public three years ago that Big Pharma monitors the web actively and they spend a bundle on image campaigns... jjust ask Montel!
His PPA commercials always start out with some woman who says how great they are because she lost her job and her health insurance and couldn't get her medication until PPA rolled into town... aren't they great?
The problem is that if we had universal healthcare and she lost her job, she'd still have access not only to her medications, but the doctors and hospitals that she also needs. Big Pharma and the Insurance companies are at the root of her situation in the first place.
Michael Moore is speaking truth to power and that does make him a true American Hero!
Here is an interview with Maria Bartiromo explaining how to get ahead in the media world. She stresses her experience as a producer who knows the nuts-and-bolts. However, with Moore, she "forgot" to seek permission to enter the exchange. Not very good preparation for the experienced producer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks0g5jyx9tI
To all you Michael Moore bashers... you are pissing in the wind!
Moore is the right guy, with the right message, in the right place, at the right time. If you want to see the impact he's having...
15,000 Nurses Sign up for SiCKO—Even O'Reilly Covers
by California Nurses Shum
Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 11:43:29 AM PDT
Think that SiCKO isn’t already changing healthcare politics in this country?
Just through the California Nurses Association & National Nurses Organizing Committee, 15,000 nurses from across the country have signed up to help organize on the opening night of SiCKO, as part of the "Scrubs for Sicko" campaign to drive one million nurses to see the film. More are signing up every day. Even more caregivers and patients have mobilized through Healthcare Now, Physicians for a National Health Program, the Massachusetts Nurses Association, and an unprecedented coalition of activist nurse groups from around the country. Real energy on behalf of guaranteeing healthcare on the single-payer model.
We’ll take a look, below, at what it all means. But first, we need you to Go here, download some flyers, and hit your theater Friday night (warning: pdf). Say hi if you see any nurses in their red "Scrubs for Sicko" scrubs."
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/28/143415/714
In the time that elapsed for the poster putting this up, 2,000 more nurses signed up for the "srubs for SICKO" campaign bringing it to 17,000 nurses who are joined by the 14,000 Docs at Pyhsicians for a National Healthcare Plan.org!
These are people in the industry who know that Americans are being scammed and they are tired of watching people die because of it. Their goal is to have a million healthcare providers sign up and its a number that they won't have trouble reaching.
Think about it... there are a lot of docs who came into the profession for cash, but there are many more who came into the medical profession because they really care and want to make a difference. Its these people who are organizing across this country and despite all of the propaganda by the wingnuts free traders and corporatists... it is impossible to ignore such numbers of professionals in the industry.
This is to say nothing of patients, who are also recounting their horror stories about the healthcare system. Its not a conservative or progressive issue... its an American issue and its about life and death.
They must remember the last time Moore was at Wall St. Check it out on Youtube, Rage Against the Machine's 'Sleep Now In the Fire' video.
Does anyone have the youtube link to this? I have tried several searches on Moore and Bartiromo but haven't found it.
Here is Moore on his Cuba experience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00BNG4yESt4
Yes Michael Moore is doing this for the money. I have no doubt that he enjoys the millions of dollars that he makes on these films. It's also possible that he really cares about the subjects that he's making films about in the hopes they will stimulate change for the better.
But anyways, it doesn't make a lick of difference that michael moore wants to make money, it's the message not the messenger we should be worried about.
NChomsky @ 13:
Mother Superior told me to tell you to "SHUT THE FUCK UP".
bernarda @ 95:
It's here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcuw-_AOk6g
rduke @ 70:Bartiromo just sounded very self-involved and ignorant, to my ear. And like a puppet to her superiors, who clearly are in the HMO camp.
As a user of the Canadian health care system, I agree with those who say that the Canadian system isn’t perfect. But it is more than good enough because, in the case of an emergency or urgent need, high quality care, and if necessary, surgery, is always immediately available if the level of medical need requires immediacy…there would be no wait for typically excellent care, and everyone, no matter what their financial situation, will be treated equally and also typically, humanely. Surgical wait lists here exist only in the case of elective surgeries, and in many elective areas (eg: cataract surgery), these wait lists have been drastically reduced in recent years in response to efficiency programs that were adopted in response to…you guessed it…complaints about wait lists.
From some of my American friends I have heard HMO horror stories, and heard that they are all too common. I’ve heard that a large percentage of the total number of bankruptcies in the US occur simply because hard working but desperately ill people and their families are forced to bankrupt their present and their futures, simply to survive. Some are insured and some aren’t, but all are being preyed upon in the most frightening moments of their lives, as a product of greed. And I hear stories of those who either are too sick or can’t afford to battle substandard care or arbitrary denial of care by HMO’s, and so die, when they might have lived.
Coming from such a different system, it is shocking to think about the manner in which the US medical system creates the opportunity for the American people to be subjected to such widely systemic and heartless predation, all as a result of excessive greed, a predatory greed which is manifested all the way up the food chain of the health care provider hierarchy, right to the level of the HMO investors. These problems don’t happen in Canada currently because we have a universal, government funded medical system which, as Moore describes, costs a lot less to administrate and has a lot less leakage. Democratically directed government control of the funding tends to check the greed before it can cause too much damage. Big business lobbies tend to have much less power in such a system. Those who would be inhumane, can’t get much going.
Nurses prefer Canada’s universal government funded model because they are, on balance, financially better off working in this system than are their colleagues working in the US model.
The biggest complainers about our system come from the ranks of physicians, and the real, though rarely openly voiced source of their complaints (as I know it from personal experience) is that, by and large, they don’t make as much money in a government funded system as they would in the US system, despite their independent contractor status. Unfortunately, there are a few politically motivated sociopaths at the helms of some of their professional groups who tell their members, our politicians, and our press endless lies in support of the theme: “the US medical system is much better”. The truth of their lie is only exposed by an honest and well informed answer to the question, “But better for whom?”.
Here, these predators often start up very market-oriented as opposed to patient-oriented practices, cater to the wealthy, and appear to be in cahoots with big business interests, often from the US, who would love to move into our public medical system and privatize it with their HMO’s. If it weren’t for the disruptive influence of these few, I think that, as in times gone by, the vast majority of physicians in Canada would be very content working hard at doing their best to serve the best interests of their patients, and despite raising their families in an upper-middle class rather than upper-class lifestyle, would gladly accept the heartfelt gratitude and respect of the society and their patients along with all the other perks of our system (eg: much lower medical legal premium payments, medical training costs etc.) as more than adequate compensation for making a lower income than their American counterparts. Those fresh out of medical school would be thinking more about the more noble aspects of their profession and not so much about the big bucks they’re about to make…and despite that they are hotly sought after by the US medical doctor recruiting system, most would stay to work in the country whose people’s tax monies so heavily subsidized the costs of their medical training. They would all be more likely to be content working primarily for the public good, as do other essential public services (like police and fire departments, teachers, etc).
So Canadians will be thanking Michael Moore too, because his truth telling will take the wind out of the sails of these lying saboteurs and neutralize the negativity that they breed so that we all can better focus on working to improve the efficiency of our health care system. No doubt, it will, in the end, help to improve the stability and the rewards of our system, for both health care workers and patients alike.
And hopefully, it will empower our American neighbors to be able to build the same kind of humane, consistently high quality patient care into their system, too.
Thank you reduke for your text. Common sense is always welcome
in C&L a rare quality indeed.
Mike-I remember when you turned 50 in Olympia, WA---You are doing more and better ever since.
Next time you go to Cuba-please take me with you!!!
I find it fascinating that the "pro-business" conservatives fail to recognize the incredible burden to American business and industry posed by private health insurance costs. For example, over $1000 of the cost of a GM vehicle is health care.
Not only is universal, single-payer health care the right thing to on a human level, it is also the right thing to do to make American businesses more competitive in a world market.
From a capitalist perspective, it is insane to protect a parasitic industry (insurance) at the expense of productive ones and the population at large.
andrew @ 103:
I'm 75yrs old, andrew. A disabled vet thanks to the Korean Conflict. You mention Cuba, a
country with a embargo since their revolution. Can you explain why it's only Cuba and not
China? I didn't think so.
BlackOps @ 96:
As if his early docs made him lots of money. Try again.
In other healthcare related news, former HealthSouth CEO Richard Scrushy was sentenced to seven years in prison for bribery and corruption.
BlackOps @ 96:
Wow, you are a hateful moron. And Moore even got through to you a little.
I agree about healthcare. Trust me, I've got a broken hand that no orthepedic will look at because (although I have insurance) I don't have the "right" insurance. Nice, huh? No cast. I've just had to muddle through for over two months with my BROKEN hand in a temporary splint that is now falling apart. My GP gives x-rays but it's still not healed and it looks like it may need surgery (which I won't get because no orthepedics in the area will take my insurance).
I'm glad someone is making this movie. I have to say, though, I kind of wish it wasn't Michael Moore. I wish it was someone more middle-ground that more people would be more apt to listen to and take seriously. Also, the "it's either this or Canada" argument isn't the best. Really, there are a variety of solutions to the current mess and, in the end, it doesn't have to look like the Canadian, single-payer system at all.
The movie will come out, people who agree will nod and laugh (tragically), people who disagree will grumble and dismiss it as propaganda (no matter how valid some of his points may be).
Great idea for a movie/documentary. It's just too bad it isn't being made by someone the majority will listen to :(
@Friend and neighbor:
/begin of rant
100% the same as in germany. What I find ever worse about the doctors revoliting and threatening to leave the country is that this damn country they are spitting on payed for their damn education.
Simple fact that the goverment pays for your eductation and expects nothing in return except staying in the country and working for those who payed the bill.
Yeah you can earn more in the US but you did not have to pay what? 150k-250k for a doctors degree?
Not to mention the health (nearly all included) insurance up until the day you started work.
Yeah, I could make a LOT more money in the US but I prefer to stay here and support the system that helped me and others.
I'd pay about 50% taxes if I did not have a family and that is ok. Yeah it is a lot but I also know if I fall, there will be a net that catches me. And I'd be happy if I died never having been caught by that net.
I say if they want to leave the country, fine, but pay back what the goverment spent on you, thankless jerk.
So often we see them crawling back when the bad times strike. We should say, sorry you left, no return ticket.
/end of rant
sofla @ 104:
ITA, it is parasitic. The system, as it is now, is completely counterintuitive. Why *wouldn't* you want to keep citizens functioning and healthy? Doesn't that make for a stronger society? A better workforce?
Another thing I just don't "get" is the way we treat doctor's as "gods" in this country. They deserve high pay because they provide a vital service? Good grief. Hippocratic Oath, anyone? Or have they edited it to add that doctor's should seek compensation for every nanosecond with a patient otherwise the patient should be tossed in the garbage? How about Buddhist tradition? Christian? Jewish? All, from what I know, caution medical practitioners to enter the profession out of a true care for the sick and suffering...not for the financial payoff.
michael moore is subhuman garbage that needs to be deported.
Good for them keeping that maggot out of the the NYSE!!
bernarda @ 90:
Exactly. She thought it important to say that and added that if she wanted medical treatment, we have the best doctors in the world. It was subtle but it was there: "Our system is broken but hey, don't go around suggesting universal health care! And hey, DO NOT mention France!"
I'm so sick of the media. And she should have reported in an honest manner that the NYSE is afraid of Moore, pissed at Moore for what he is doing. Now, THAT would actually be journalism. How in the hell can it be that the fact he was denied access to the floor is not THE story here. It wasn't the story at first, but it is the story now. Because, in effect, it clearly shows that the health insurance companies are calling the shots in America.
sofla @ 103:
Excellent point! Americans who are concerned about out sourcing should really consider that one of the main reasons that we don't appear to be as competitive with many other countries in terms of labor costs is because of heathcare costs. Worse still... healthcare costs in the US are more than double what they are in any other country and they are projected to double again in the next ten years!
It is pure arrogance to think that we are the "trend setter" in regards to healthcare globally. Other countries will not give up their universal healthcare now that they have it. Its the US that is bucking the trend.
While major corporations work to do away with benefits and pension plans here in the US, it should be remembered that more than 65% of the jobs here are provided by small business and the impact of healthcare benefits is even worse for them because their "pool of employees" are exponentially smaller and they have no bargaining power with the insurance companies who charge exorbitant rates.
A "single payer" universal healthcare system would mean more jobs stay in the US and increase exports.
Americans, including Maria, seem to always know how much better they are than the rest of the world. How do they know? 70% don't even have passports! 65% can't even find the UK on a map! They repeatedly place very poorly on international aptitude tests! Ignorance truly is bliss in your nation of the stupid.
Maria, give me a break. Your ignorance and arrogance about healthcare oozes out of the screen. You're a rich white woman on TV. I pray for the day one of your family gets trapped by your healthcare system. Guess what? Healthcare is free in Canada regardless of skin color, job, status or any other factor. Free. Get it? Same for the UK. Same in France. Same in most countries of any standing in the world. The US is a sad state of no equality. Capitalism? Democracy? Define it Maria! Most Americans can't even find their own country on the bloody map. How in God's name are they ever going to understand concepts like Capitalism or Democracy?! What an absolute mess of a nation you are!
Tom @ 114:
I think someone should clarify: Just because many Americans are idiots does not mean ALL Americans are idiots.
There are a lot of good, smart people that you ("you" being people outside of the USA) never hear about or from because they are literally being SQUASHED by the system (educational system...set up to systematically mess up kids unless you can pay for private ed, healthcare *haha funny to call it this* system and government). It is the tyranny of an ignorant (and/or extremely rich and amoral) majority--plain and simple.
Do you know what the real difference is between people in the USA versus the UK, Canada, France (anywhere on the globe)? Location and luck.
The NYSE is for publically traded stocks. I should be open to anyone except maybe Obama. Even if Moore had a camera crew, how do news shows show clips of the days trading on their broadcasts?
It is just plain BS how the HMO's work. Recently I had to call 911 because my wife was bleeding and has to get emergency surgery. My insurerur (Aetna) denied the emergency surgery and I have to dispute the $860 fee because apparantly the hospital is not part of Aetna's network. Maybe I should let my wife bleed to death while I call my HMO to explain how to get emergency care. Then again, to the insurance company, it is probably better to let my wife die because the HMO don't have to pay 1 red cent.
Maria Bartiromo should be congratulated for doing an interview with Michael Moore. I hope she is still employed by the whores in the MSM that sign her paycheck in the coming months. It doesn't matter that the interview was done outside the "magic kingdom". The fact that anyone in her position did the interview at all is more impressive that ANYONE else doing an interview with that Coulter bitch and letting her spew her poison to the masses.
I had to make a trip to a local hospital's ER on the night of the Memorial day holiday for an acute tooth infection.
Waited 3 hours, and spent not even 5 minutes with a doctor who wrote simply out a prescription for an antibiotic.
Charges: Hospital $327, Doctor $369 (including $105 because it was after 10PM).
Insurance will not cover the $105, and only 90% of the remainder after I meet deductible.
People, $696 for this???
This crap is totally out of control and we're being raked over the coals with this legalized robbery!!!
pug_ster @ 117:
My whole family has been Republican and I should be one of the last people in the world to back up Michael Moore however in this case he is 110% correct. I have health insurance myself and am in one of the worst situations imaginable only because my wife had a child. The insurance covered the delivery cost but they don't cover so many other "extras" that we have 30k+ in medial bills. The delivery was fine with no complications mind you and we have bills that just keep coming and coming. I can't pay any of them and am seriously thinking of moving out of the country because I sure can't buy a house with this on my credit report.
Why does this remind me of the WH spokeswoman? A pretty face that nobody would want to make cry? Chicken shit Wall Street. "great work Marie"...where to keep the bastard at bay and not break into tears. Such a sad sham. What are they afraid of inside those doors???
andrew @ 111:
Yet another brilliant response from a rwinger. Way to make and intelligent argument. And I'll bet you "hate the movie & it's full of lies" even though you probably haven't seen it. Moron.
Jonathin @ #120
$30,000 for a baby??
and you had insurance and it was a delivery with no complications..
That sums it all up.
Surely Americans can choose the best of the British, Franch
, Italian , Canadian , etc healths systems and cretae a made in America universal health systme.
Trust me, it does not cost $ 30,000 to deliver a baby in any of those countries even within their health system costs.
Yesterday, Bush implied , that the American health system should be managed by private industry.
SCHRODINGER"S CAT @ 123:
Thats not the whole story, I have another son with excema and we have taken him to 4 different doctors now. He looks sick every day and we can not get him the kind of treatment he needs. There is something really wrong in his body and no one has run any sort of test on him. When ever we go to the doctors its a waste of time and energy. I have to schedule time off of work and then we sit for hours only to be seen by a doctor for less than 5min usually. He almost never gets the sleep he needs and is starting to really look sick on a daily bases. He has had a runny nose for years now and the only thing they say to do is give him alergy medication. He also has some steriod tropical cream for his skin which stoped worked over 6 months ago. The tropical cream makes him so slow when he takes it I am scared to even try going back and getting stronger cream which is exactly what the doctors would do here. Yet all this time no one has ever run a real test on my son. I just want to cry when I look into his eyes. Yet I am the billed tons for each visit, and no results.
My wife as well has had visits to doctor only to find it was yeast infection and the cost $500. That was after a 1.5k visit to the hostpital and they told her it was a deyhdration problem. I can't even sum up all the issue I am dealing with on medical. When I think about my kids health and my own health I am starting to really think Canada looks like a great place to live.
Jonathan @ 120:
Jonathan, I hear you. In addition to my broken hand that doctors won't do anything for...we're swamped by medical bills from last year over a seizure our son had that required an ambulance, air evac and a week in the hospital. We have to pay 10% of that and let me tell you...that is one BIG 10%. I think what gets me MOST is that I had him into his GP and the ER multiple times asking them to help BEFORE it became a life-threatening situation. SO, I have those GP bills and ER bills on top of the air evac, etc. because of the slip-shod work of the doctors BEFORE the emergency (but we have to PAY their exorbatent fees ANYWAY even if they screwed up). Not only that, but the whole mess went to collections and our credit is SHOT. The ER doctors reported to collections, the hospital reported to collections, the ambulance--collections, the anesthesiologists, the labs--all in collections.
Oh, yeah, they OFFERED payment plans (a measely $300 a month EACH until finished...thoughtful, huh?) but you HAVE to pay them what they request in payments as though you have NO other medical bills. I'm sorry but who can afford to pay $300 to 6-7 different companies each month in addition to regular bills???
I can't even begin to say how much I hate the "medical industry"...I frankly don't think it should be an "industry" or a "business".
We had good credit before this now we're a mess and paying higher rates for EVERYTHING because of it.
It is enough to make a person want to pour acid on the hood of their doctor's BMW.
Joey Ramone wrote a really awesome song about Maria Bartiromo:
"Maria Bartiromo"
by Joey Ramone
What's happening on Wall St.
What's happening at the Stock Exchange
I want to know
What's happening on Squawk Box
What's happening with my stocks
I want to know
I watch you on the TV every single day
Those eyes make everything okay
I watch her every day
I watch her every night
She's really outta sight
Maria Bartiromo
Maria Bartiromo
Maria Bartiromo
What's happening with Yahoo!
What's happening with AOL
I want to know
What's happening with Intel
What's happening with Amazon
I want to know
I watch you on TV every single day
Those eyes make eveything OK
I watch her every day
I watch her every night
She's really outta sight
Maria Bartiromo (5x)
What's happening on Wall St.
What's happening at the Stock Exchange
I want to know
What's happening on Squawk Box
What's happening with my stocks
I want to know
I watch her at the big board every single day
While she's reporting you best stay out of her way
I watch her every day
I watch her every night
She's really outta sight
Maria Bartiromo (3x)
Wow! Michael was on fire. He brought his A game to this interview. That was one of his best displays of his mental abilities and debating powers.
I think Michael Moores point is very blunt in this movie and EVERYONE should watch it period. I don't care what party you are if you can't even stomach the man, America needs to wake up. We are becoming the new thrid world country. If we keep our blinders on for long enough we are all going to get run into the ground. Our eductional systems, and healthcare need a major overhaul period. We need to come together as a people like we did on 9/11 and make a change.
NChomsky @ 5:
I agree..Moore has some good idea's, but he's just as one sided as the Republican's, Most of his idea's are good, but he makes up facts and edits his videos to support them even if they don't origionaly.
But I would have to go and say he is the better of two evils.
[...] Here’s a great piece with Michael Moore from CNBC on his new film Sicko — which is causing quite a stir for all [...]
you can tell NChomsky @ 13 is republican becaise he goes right for the personal attack..nothing to add but that..Just personal attcked..get a life pal!!
NChomsky @ 13:
No... he told people on television it would be ok with him if people viewed pirated copies and distributed without his knowledge.
Michael Moore is the most bias "filmmaker" around. He will only use stats & interviews which support his point of view, he doesn't show the WHOLE PICTURE. I work in the health care system in Canada, and let me tell you, it is the most tragic thing that I have ever seen. People are forced to travel to the US for LIFE SAVING surgeries because they are on a 2-3 year wait list in Canada. Then, the Canadian government refuses to reimburse them for their out-of-pocket costs because they classify their surgery as "elective". If you are within a week of dieing and you are on a 2 year wait list to have your necessary life saving surgery, the only thing "elective" is that you elect to continue living by traveling to the US for surgery.
Mike @ 101:
Condescension, on the other hand, is not welcome here, nor are swipes at C&L in general.
Are you all idiots? The reason he couldn't get in is because they didn't apply as a guest and he's not a trader. Not because he's Michael Moore. This is nothing more than a ploy to get you feeling violated.
[Deleted. Moronic off topic flamebait. I don't suppose you have anything other than unfounded irrelevant corporately generated smears to contribute. Don't be such a tool-Sitemonitor]
Just do as I do: ignore Michael Moore.
And you are nothing but a jealous, mean-spirited individual who can't appreciate when someone speaks truth to power. Michael Moore is a national treasure. You, on the other hand, are a misanthrope and not capable of adding to the national dialogue.
NChomsky @ 5:
What is the right winger's opinion in the healthcare debate? Honestly, what do you think you're going to accomplish? We pay twice as much per capita as every other system in the industrialized world, have millions uncovered, have TRILLIONS go to executive pay, profits, administrative costs, marketing, etc (in other words, with something as vital as healthcare, waste) and what is your response to that? Attack Moore and point out the fact that other systems aren't perfect. My girlfriend needs care done because of pains she is having. She called for an appointment (this is Blue Cross) and was told that she could be seen in late October. Unless you have top notch healthcare (and pay more out of pocket than citizens in other countries do through their taxes by a mile for the same services), what is your argument? Is the system not an OVERALL mess? Which non partisan organiztion in the freaking world would agree with you?
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Shared Humanity @ 18:
Has everyone forgotten that in the USA healthcare insurance is a benefit not a right? It is the employers choice to offer this benefit or not.
C. Montgomery Burns @ 11:
George Bush coming in second is Dick Chaney
CDB @ 8:
So he's a commie for saying Moore is a rich man, but Moore isn't a commie for wanting Socialist Health-care and all around claiming the government should provide everything for the poor? For trying to make unions so powerful that they in essence control the businesses out from under the reins of the stockholders? Everything that Moore stands for is backdoor communism.
I really hope you are kidding.
How does she know that OUR doctors are THE best? Why not use empirical evidence to support that argument instead of using arrogant slogans like, "If I get sick, I wanna get sick in THIS country............Because we have the best doctors.............."
What a twit!
Russ Mason UK @ 25:
Oh good god man, are you mad?
I used to live in the UK and i can surely tell you, the US system is a damnned slight better then the UK's healthcare service.
You have to wait for long periods of time just for fairly simple surgery's... the hospitals are FILTHY... The medical tools are not the state of the art... not to mention that the nurses treat you like a piece of meat.
What are you smoking?
Adam @ 144:
I know if I get sick I want to get sick in the USA and preferably in the city I live in. Not really because I think we have the best doctors in the world, but because MY doctor is here. Not if I have to get a kidney I'm all about china. Mainly because I hear if you give them $100k you get to walk around their jails and pick out your kidney. It's kinda like going to Red Lobster.
[Deleted-Moronic fact-lite flamebait-Sitemonitor]
I'm surprised no one brought up the old, "But...but...but...Mike is fat" argument.
143 Underbyte Says
Are ya sure you were in a limey hospital?
Sounds like Walter Reed.
Blue Buddha @ 7:
This is the sort of dumbass that supports Michael Moore and his ilk. This idiot actually thinks "companies" get some sort of commission or revenue generation when someone trades their stock ("They would be very lucky to see $3.00 of my money."). No wonder you dolts go for idiotic ideas like government single payor healthcare. If you think the size of the lines waiting to buy an iPhone are impressive wait till you're in line waiting for a new kidney. Self-pay, third party payor (insurance) or govt pay...the bill still has to be paid and the government doesn't have infinite funds, even though you bozos think it does.
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