Sorry, but this is creepy.

Couldn't have happened to a bigger asshole, and sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, but... creepy.

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2007/07/data-mining-nsa-doj-corruption-an...

Not crazy about these ambush tactics but I gotta admit that O'Reilly had it coming. If he can pull it on those he disagrees with, he better not complain about what Stark did to him. To do so would be hypocritical (and ridiculous).

You made your bed, O'Reilly...now lie in it.

where was Fox security?!?!?

OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, Absolutey Yes!
Give it right back to the hypocritical SNOB!!!
Mike Stark is a great American! This is almost as good as when a passerby, in New Orleans I think- after Katrina, told Cheney to his face, to go f*** himself.

Meh, being a douchebag to a douchebag isn't going to change anything. Plus this is stalkerish and as someone else said, kind of creepy. I feel bad for BillO's family (though I don't feel bad for him).

What better way to demonstrate to someone what a crappy thing it is to do to someone else. Perhaps there's teensy chance that Bill-O will think twice about doing this?

Nah! He'll be suing the guy within days. Jerk

This guy just made Bill into a martyr ... which is disappointing. Even more disappointing is that C&L publicizes it.

Really no need to stoop to O'Reilly's level. 2 thumbs down.

He got what he deserves. None of this type of behavior, regardless of who does it, is good but O'Reilly continually bullies, intimidates and defames those who disagree with his ideological view. How about the people and their families which have to endure his spew? How about them? You reap what you sow.

Had a reality-check-like thought about today's posting on the Paging Dr. Gupta Blog.
Fudgy Gupta sez: "To get to the Carteret Islands requires five separate airplane flights and a helicopter ride..."
While that may be true for Fudgy, the travel details may not be required for everyone. How were the islands initially populated? Couldn't the entire journey be made by car, ship, and boat? Why can't the facts on transportation requirements be reported accurately?

This wasn't done to silence him for his views like he does to others all the time--it was done specifically to let him know how underhanded these tactics are. These lowlifes have been bullying others with impunity for years and personally, I love that our side is fighting fire with fire. About time!

Brilliant! I wish I thought of it. The hypocrisy of the right knows no bounds, and we should not hesitate to point it out.

AWESOME

I don't generally side with the camp that states we should fight fire with fire on the lowest of gutter levels as it does nothing to elevate the civility and discourse on a particular issue or subject, nor can one look back and claim they took the high road, but in a bully's case such as O'Reilly, I say all bets are off since all a bully ever understands is like behavior. This man is a well known liar and partisan hack who engages in such gutter yellow journalistic practices almost daily on either his radio or TV programs. Why is it alright for O'Reilly's minion producers to ambush a person on their property with an "Are you still beating your wife?" approach, and then editting the segment to fit O'Reilly's framing/prejudices of an issue? For example, he continues to attack DailyKos as a hate site, and yet allowed hateful postings on his paid site since its inception? If that's not hypocrisy in its purest form I don't know what is. All a bully such as O'Reilly or Hannity understand is a counterpunch, and it's about time that those on the Left fire back. We have been nice for way too long.

People who live in glass houses, Bill ...

This is perfect! If you wanna deal with a bully, you have to confront him and make him feel small!

Speaking of O'Reilly why is C&L advertising for him?

All this low and creepy stuff wouldn't be necessary if the people who though they had a representation in Congress could expect some action from their left-wing leaders. They disappointed. They proved to be not what's been expected of them. But come on. If you're confused and want to direct you disappointment and anger at someone, how about doing it to your democratic leaders!? The right wing doesn't govern anymore. The power has shifted if you haven't noticed. The tools, laws, Constitutional powers are in the Democrats' hands now. The Right in general, Fox and right wing bloggers only provide a "discredited, irrelevant" commentary at this point. You should have done the "fighting" when there was time for it. Bashing and stalking these people NOW is just disgraceful and surely distracting, and I'm sure the left can do better than that. Way better than that. I for one will not distract myself from feeling and expressing utter contempt for the Democratic Congress and the left-wing enablers just to feel better about this sinking ship called America.

All these wishy washy reactions are why America is fucked up now. The right is a bunch of shrill bully idiots who don't care about discourse, understanding, or compromise. While the Democrats can't get out of bed to vote to get the troops out, this guy's on TV galvanizing every half-wit with a kid named Britney-Sue, while calling minors pinheads. The only thing wrong with what happened here is he forgot to kick O'Reilly in the nuts.

"I think the best thing people can do to combat assholeism is to simply ignore the offender."

Yeah, that's worked so well for the past few years, hasn't it?

Anyone notice Kos is down right now due to an "Internal Server Error?"

David E Toronto @ 358:

It wasn't the smartest thing to do. Confronting O'Reilly in this manner sinks the Kos people to O'Reilly's level. That means they got down in the muck with O'Reilly.
Not too smart on their part.

Kos (Daily, Yearly or MR.) had nothing to do with what Stark did, other than reporting it.

why is the media suppressing this hillary interview with keith olbermann? it shows hillary being a hypocrite regarding her recent criticisms of obama: [Deleted. Off topic and spam-Sitemonitor]

Ben @ 139:

I came to Crooksandliars.com and was shocked to see Bill O' Reilly's book advertised in the banner on the side of the website.
Why the heck is Bill O' Reilly's book advertised on this site???? When did Crooksandliars start endorsing him (via conservativebookclub)?
That is totally sick.

[It's the way the ads work. We don't have control over it. But then right wing sites end up advertising left wing stuff-Sitemonitor]

Ok..cool...but it was ironic that there was a piece on BOR and there was an ad promoting his book next to it.... he he he

BifftheBartender @ 363:

Anyone notice Kos is down right now due to an "Internal Server Error?"

Yeah. What's up?

Also, don't know if O'Reilly has any small children living at home, but he should have thought about his family before he went around making obscene phone calls and threatening women.

Of course this is bottom-of-the-barrel tactics. That's the only way to get to these guys. O'Reilly and his ilk thrive on crossing moral boundaries, because they know their opposition doesn't have the stones to cross those same boundaries regularly. Advantage scumbag.

O'Reilly's opponents are too busy being "ethical" to push back with any force.

pine nut @ 373:

Also, don't know if O'Reilly has any small children living at home, but he should have thought about his family before he went around making obscene phone calls and threatening women.

Maybe he should've thought about that before allowing people to threaten the lives of senators on his site?

Or before being a dickhead in general. Anything he gets, he has coming to him.

I've said it before about ALL of these LOSERS, and I'll say it again.........IGNORE THEM!!!!! THEY WILL SHRIVEL UP AND BLOW AWAY IN THE WIND

I checked the FAUXNEWS and Bill O'Reilly sites and guess what? No mention of the "hateful" tactics by Dkos!

And, you know why. Billo doesn't have the stomach for defending himself from these charges. Why not? Because the charges are true and the evidence is out there.

To all the Concern Trolls who are wringing their hands over this: Take a pill. The adults are carrying the fight to the enemy. So either lead, follow or get the fuck out of the way!

Capabilty Jones @ 381:

I checked the FAUXNEWS and Bill O'Reilly sites and guess what? No mention of the "hateful" tactics by Dkos!

And, you know why. Billo doesn't have the stomach for defending himself from these charges. Why not? Because the charges are true and the evidence is out there.

To all the Concern Trolls who are wringing their hands over this: Take a pill. The adults are carrying the fight to the enemy. So either lead, follow or get the fuck out of the way!

That is what I am talking about.

For the thinkers with no spine, we will still fight without you.

Thanks to C&L and my fellow posters who support protesters, we will win.

hey lets make posters and sing songs against everything and eventually we will get our enemies and change things..........yeah yeah yeah!!!! your protests doing nothing!!! It's just an excuse to get out of working to get high and make believe its the 60s all over again. What this moron did by giving out info to billos neighbors is going to land him in court, he proved nothing but what a fruit cake he is. Bill does just drop by and question people and that's just what mikey should have done. atually I'm really sick of lefty righty crap!!!!!!! you right wingers and left wingers wouldn't know a good idea if it hit right in the face. If a conservative comes up with a good idea the lefty wingnuts automatically rip it apart and the same goes the other way. All you complainers are helping nothing to get done and the same bullshit that we had 30 years ago still exists! We need an independant to put you all to shame!!!! Lets put ideas together and really do something for this country of ours because it is sinking fast!!! Honestly look at the candidates we are going to have for the president's job, it's incredible how lame they all are! The repubs are a joke, Hillary is full of shit, obama has no history at all!!!! none are worth anything!!! Lets face it Bush has really become a disaster and the dems have nothing to offer!!! Those of you morons that believe Hillary is the one wake up before it's tooooooooooooooooo late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello. My name is Carol and I'm a conspiracy theorist and take-no-prisoners fanatic. I used to be a reasonable person. No more. These assholes have had a free pass for too long.

Seriously, you guys bag on ole Bill for his tactics yet you use them "against" him. So explain to me how exactly this makes you better than him, and more importantly, how does this make your message any more relavent or valid than his?

Let's use the overused terrorist analogy... if terrorists can strap a bomb on children to do their dirty work, why can't we strap bombs to children to kill indiscriminately in retaliation against terrorists?

Side note: For those going to jump on the terrorist comment to make a case for something that has no bearing for the true topic at hand... No, I am not here to get into the debate as to whether we should be "over there" because the reality dictates that if it can happen against us "over there" it can happen to us here. So lets leave it at that.

heybandwagonjumpers @ 388:

Seriously, you guys bag on ole Bill for his tactics yet you use them "against" him.

His tactic is to lie; Mike Stark didn't do that.

myiq2xu @ 103:

And yet the right has us so cowed we're feeling guilty and ashamed of Mike Stark?

I say fuck that.

well done Mike
good to see a Progressive activist do something effective.
see folks, restrained (moral) legal political protest does work.
regards Ferrofluid
PS, well done on exposing George Allen to the nation in 06.

A wise old kindergarten teacher once shocked me when one child bit another and she immediately sat the biter down and bit him on the arm. She didn't do it with malice and didn't hurt the child much. I asked why she did that and she smiled and explained that obviously the boy didn't know a bite hurt (it doesn't ever hurt the person doing the biting). She had explained that to him and he never bit another child as far as I know.

When I told that story to my sis-in-law who runs a daycare, she was horrified that anyone would do that. I asked her if she had biters and she told me she has one who has actually broken through the skin of 3 children in her care. I asked how she was handling it and she told me that she sits him down in the corner and makes him think about how bad he's been. It's a sweet and nurturing tactic but INEFFECTIVE. About 6 months later, I asked her about the boy again and she very very sheepishly let me know that one day she bit him... he never bit another child after that. (and she was threatened with a lawsuit by the boy's mother until the woman saw the two children who were bitten by her son)

I'm in favor of giving Bullyo the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps when he smears, slanders, bullies, harasses, dumps on others, he isn't aware that it hurts them since it doesn't hurt him. Now that Mike has given him a gentle but much needed bite on the arm, he has no further excuses. He now knows that those tactics hurt. They are demeaning and embarrassing and hard to fight against. If he shows what was done to him on his program, he has to bring up the whole sordid past thing all over again.... it must be frustrating....

I don't feel sorry for O'Reilly nor do I think this is stooping to his level. He threatens people, slanders people, and intimidates people with the full weight of his billion dollar network on regular basis. He distorts reality and manipulates people with one of the broadest media platforms in history. Two pudgy guys putting posterboards in front of his house isn't even remotely comparable.

absolutely time to take off the kid gloves. the repubs count on the civility of the liberal element. seems we always look to see if there is another side of an issue. well, no more. we need hard hitting pull no punches investigative journalism. there isn't another side. there never has been.

Mike Stark did the right thing and considering the threats Billo made to him about getting his listeners to show up at his house, I think Mike showed considerable restraint. These people don't play by the rules of decency so the only way you can effect change is to make them understand that their tactics will eventually be turned around on them. We've been the polite ones for too long and where has it gotten us? To quote Malcolm X--"By any means necessary."

I hope Bill goes after Stark. He can use the hits. How do you like the far left now, Bill?

Nasty outbreak of concern trolls here. Must be some ointment for that...

Mike Stark has been doing this sort of thing long enough that he knows where to draw the line. He knows better than to lay himself open to a trespass charge, for example. Which makes it all the more startling that Bildo actually came out to play.

I do take issue with the claim that O'Reilly does this. Not quite: he sends his flying monkeys "producers" to execute his ambushes.

Maybe Fox Security (a wholly owned subsidiary of Blackwater?) will be paying a call on Mr Stark later.

Good for Mark Stark. Too many leftist want to "play nice". Screw that, fight fire with fire.

lonesomerobot @ 295:

BaScOmBe @ 292:

to anyone who thinks this was over the top:

put yourself in the shoes of one of orally's victims.

how do you think it felt?

was orally justified?

thanks for this new version of the 'clinton did it too' argument.
don't know about you, but i'm never going to use bill o'reilly as the standard for whether i should act a certain way.

what the phukkk r u talking about?

heybandwagonjumpers @ 389:

No, I don't think 'I can do what I like'. I don't think this harrassment would be appropriate for any other person whether republican or not. I just think it is justified because it is BillO at the receiving end. He has been harrassing others and contributing to the Bush administration's cause many times over. He has helped your country's downfall for years. If he has not being doing this for years, I don't think Mike's harrassment is appropriate, but he has, and still continues to hurt others and your country.

Mike's harrassment is what Bill does to others, while claiming it is 'reporting'. He harrasses people with issues that are twisted to make it hard for the victim to respond (i.e. 'Do you support the soldiers at a time of war?', 'Do you endorse these vulgar comments at DailyKos'). He breaks their credibility and belittles them in front of millions of people. Does that matter to you? How do you think the victims feel? The sexual harrassment suit just happens to be the issue that Bill has a difficult time responding to.

Oh well, I guess if Bill doesn't harrass you personally, it is okay for him to do it to others. It is much easier to sit and complain about Bill then do something about it, especially when you can remain anonymous and are not at the receiving end of his harrassment.

If Mike's one-time stunt was such a bad thing, and if you care about what Bill does to others, do you have any 'smart' and 'civil' ideas to stop Bill from harrassing others? Other than to make him taste is own medicine? Do you think writting an email will stop him, or make him feel bad about what he is doing to others?

At least Mike is trying, even if his methods are not perfect.

lonesomerobot @ 319:

sickofit, why don't you just drop the name calling and let your arguments speak for themselves. unless i'm mistaken we're supposed to be on the same side so let's just stop with the personal attacks.

and more recently, in 2006, we won fighting our way. i don't ever want to let the other side get away with what they got away with in 2004 and 2000. we do have to be much more aggressive, i'll grant you that. in 2000 we should have been prepared to take to the streets in florida if necessary (obviously the repubs were ready). believe me, i'm one that won't sit and watch that happen again.

quit acting like we don't want to fight. this is a democratic institutional problem, not a netroots problem. i for one will not lay down and let right-wingers attacks stand unchallenged.

myiq2xu,
messing with people's mailboxes is a federal offense. you usually have to have someone's permission to post signs in their yard. and it's not the posting of the signs, it's the claim of "reporting" coupled with what the signs said. that's disingenuous.

Hey dude, we are not on the same side. OK. I would never chose you for my team.

We have a common enemy. I actually want to crush them. You want to send flowers and ask them nicely if they would please stop killing people so we can steal their oil.

BTW, we didn't win shit last November. We won a bunch of seats so apologist-kiss-asses like you could sit around discussing how to beg chimpy to stop destroying the world. Hows that working for you? Like it yet? Let's see what those spineless cowards have accomplished. Hmmm. Looks like nothing to me.

At this rate, Dick, Gonzo and Chimpy will walk out of the government on a road paved with bodies and gold. They will never be held accountable for their crimes against America or humanity. And the best part is, they set a precedent that can be argued in a court of law. That's right, their law breaking can actually be used to justify future law breaking. That's the great thing about the American system.

We played things your way for too long. This isn't a boxing match. We aren't sitting around playing a polite game of bridge. This is reality, bub. You don't get points for playing nice. You lose by playing nice. You can argue that everyone loses if we don't play nice. I would rather lose some dignity and get my country back than win "nice points". You can trade all your "nice points" for a unicorn sticker for your social studies notebook. I'll find some time to be nice once we rid our once great nation of this cancer.

I don't like Bill but going to peoples houses isn't polite.

john @ 347:

Your condescension and sarcasm are unwarranted. I like how you post these little comments to the posts you disagree with while you are fine w/ those who resort to name calling etc. Just reminds me a lot of Bill O's tactics, if you can't fight w/ reason you will resort to shouting down everyone else.

Your argument is specious at best. You have no more a right to say when sarcasm and condescension are "warranted" than anyone else does. Just who do you think you are, anyway? You're right, though. "Shouting down" your opponents is far more disdainful than screeching like a newborn infant over something that (i) you are utterly incapable of controlling or influencing in any conceivable way, and (ii) amounts to little more than an arguably mean-spirited prank. Note my sarcasm, whiner. And as to your assertion that I would "cut off [your] mic," well... let's just say that you don't know me well enough to make that call. You do *presume* to know rather a great deal, but the sad fact is that you're just a little sore about being called a "crybaby."

Really, think of your logic here. It's abysmal. The bone of contention for you seems to be (correct me if I'm mistaken) that you feel that this encounter with Stark could be an indication that, when in power, the Democrats will resort to the same or similar bullying tactics as O'Reilly, Coulter, ad infinitum. But the problem with this singular estimation of yours is simply this: you have no idea what you're talking about. It's a gross oversimplification of human behavior, a clumsy bit of pseudo-cerebration, and it effortlessly demonstrates your abject understanding of inductive reasoning, chains of events, logical underpinnings, and more than anything the appropriate manner in which to counteract the vitriol of persons not unlike Bill O'Reilly. You're whining just for the sake of it, and to some of us it is painfully annoying. People spin like hamsters on your little treadmills, all because Bill O'Reilly got an infinitesimal, practically nonexistent taste of his own medicine. It doesn't make me a misanthrope to tell you that you're acting like an idiot and an infant.

So, do pardon me if I have upset you in any way, my gentle desert flower. Perhaps if I have enough time later this week, we can talk things over. I shall send you tersely worded love letters, my inamorata, acushla, corazon. Let us fly together to the secret valley of journalistic integrity and fairness in politics. You perplexed little gobshite, you.

Bill-O sucks, but this was a lame stunt...and its disappointing that C&L covered it.

I applaud Stark. There was nothing he did that was illegal, immoral, or unprovoked. BOR invited the whole of America to do this to less deserving people than himself.

It's my suspicion that the nay-sayers on this post are divided into two camps: Concern trolls, and bleeding-heart liberals.

To the concern trolls: go fuck yourselves.

To the bleeding-heart liberals, I understand you, because I am one of you. You FEEL. I do too. That's our blessing and our curse. You think of BOR's children and neighbors, because that's what you were taught to do. Newsflash: BOR was not brought up that way, and sometimes you gotta put down the doves and pick up the gloves. He won't understand any other tactic, and as wrong as you think this may have been for Stark to do, it was necessary to halt the maelstrom of the brand of harmful bullshit BOR spews every fucking weekday of the year. He hurts MILLIONS of people and their chance for liberty and justice. If his kids and neighbors have to see him in his driveway wearing shorts, yes it's ugly, but sometimes you have to match fire with fire.

I say, go Stark.

People like Bill O count on people being polite and taking the high road. It's good to see him get back some of what he's been peddling.

In the next few days, we'll see just how big of a whiner he is. :D

GREAT!! No it's not at all stooping to O'Reilly's level. No sane person ever can. This idiot needs to be brought down. He goes out and misinforms millions of Americans every night. This Stark guy should be lionized not denounced.

There IS a God!
Kudos to Mike Stark for a job well done! Two thumbs way up, my friend!

You do not teach a bully any lessons by letting him continue bullying every day and just saying "tsk tsk".

Those of you who would not "stoop to O'Reilly's level", grow a backbone! First of all, this is NOT stooping to O'Reilly's level. Stooping to his level would have meant making up complete lies and distorting the truth. Second of all, this is not "creepy" in the least, but a journalistic tit-for-tat.

O'Reilly has not let up on his Daily Kos attack for many days, and so are we to believe that we should sick back and stay on the defensive? Give me a *break*!

O'Reilly has just taken a big heap of his own medicine. And I'm sure there's more of that medicine coming if he wants to keep up with his smears and lies.

If O'Reilly tries to sue, then I'm sure he will be happy to see the Andrea Mackis ordeal dragged out into the press once again. Because it *will* be on Keith Olbermann's show, no doubt about that. And maybe, just maybe, some other "journalists" out there will be happy to grow a backbone and report on it too.

Taste of own medicine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDrrMPELhxc

redratio1 @ 23:

Wow, can Kos be bigger idiots?
Ever hear about stooping to someone's level?
A guy like O'Reilly isn't going to get the irony. It is beyond him. So all Kos, et al are doing is making themselves look foolish.
.

Another concern troll.

I think it says a lot about who we are that this discussion contains opposing viewpoints without resorting to smearing each other.
I happen to see both sides, on one hand I want Bill O' to get a taste of his own medicine, the other cringes at the thought that progressives would invade someones personal space like their home and neighborhood. However if it is done knowing that it is repulsive, and hoping the recipient will see that too, then it makes sense to employ the tactic once at least. Then it's win win, if he admits it's wrong then hooray, if he decries it publicly you call him on his blatant hypocrisy. What I like about hypocrisy is that Jesus spoke many times against hypocrisy, one might argue it was one of his top 3 issues, along with usury and the plight of the poor. Just bash him over the head with a few quotes from Mathew and hope some of it stick to the Religious Wrong.

No wonder the Democratic Congress has no backbone; a lot of their supporters have no backbone either.

It's way past time the left took off the gloves and rolled up their sleeves. It's way past time the left (all of us) grew a backbone and started fighting back.

Remember all the "Like father, like son...one termer" bumper stickers? As Dr. Phil would say, "how's that working for you?"

Too many on the left think we can all just sit back and let the right cut their own throat. But I'm deeply afraid if we don't grow a backbone right now, we'll end up with Rudy replacing Georgie in Jan. '09. Then we'll all be asking yet again - what happened?

It's not wonder there's no one taking to the streets today. It's too easy for all of us to sit behind a keyboard and just bitch and moan about the downfall of America, Inc.

John (Not Amato) @ 54:

Hey Andy K? Mudshark?

This is the kind of shit that I was worried about the other day with that video of the DNC interns at Thompsons campaign. This is exactly the kinda of stupid stunt that I feared. I'm not saying that these two events are in way causally related, but, they sprout from the same soil. This isn't about "fighting back" or "taste of his own medicine" or "good for the goose...", its just bullshit.

This stunt was meanspirited and vindictive. It differs from the DNC stunt in that at least the stunt made sense given the target, and it was retaliatory instead of out of the blue. Nonetheless, it is meanspirited and reflects poorly on all of us in the 'sphere.

I dont accept that this accomplishes anything. I dont think that it changes O'Reilly's mind about anything, and I dont think it intimidates him. If he was conscientious enough to appreciate the point, he wouldn't be the douchbag that he is.

On top of that, it's creepy, and across the line to show up at someones house and harass them, whether or not they deserve it.

So two points; 1) Its inappropriate and unacceptable, and if some wingnut flying monkey did this to someone else you would agree. 2) It is poor political tactic.

Regarding 2, this is poor tactic because this is precisely what O'Reilly needed to give himself a pretext for an argument. When he has been whining about mean comments and silly photoshopped pictures, people have been treating him with the disdain he deserves. He is the grumpy old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn. However, this stunt will resonate with people outside this community, in a bad way. O'Reilly yelling about internet meanies makes his audience say "so what", i'd wager. However, this allows him to say "Those scary internet kos people, they hate me so much they showed up at my house, smeared me to my neighbors, and yelled at me in my driveway, and they'll do it to you to. Its scary wackos from the internet coming to YOUR HOUSE!!!" THAT will make people think Kos is over the line. Its a very different story. It's no longer about disagreements and mean comments, its SHOWING UP AT HIS HOUSE!

Yes I understand that O'Reilly ambushes people at their homes for "stories." No, this is not the same thing at all. This does not have even the pretext of journalism.

Also, I've heard people say "Well that's what Mike stark does." Bullshit. He hasnt done this before. Calling all Wingnuts, the George Allen flop, all of that was legitimate political blog stuff. This is different in kind, not degree.

Who disagrees? I'm was (maybe still) a fan of Mike Stark, but this makes me question his judgement A LOT.

A really, really concerned troll.

That is so not on. You don't harass people at their houses where their kids are a few feet away. You just don't. I don't care if FOX does this to other people. I don't care that Stark knew he couldn't get to BillO at the office. Wrong is wrong.

I'm all for going after the advertisers on FOX and bringing up questions of the credibility of the network as a whole. This feeds directly into BillO's delusions and those of right-wingers everywhere. The shrieking harpies will be on a rampage after this and it accomplishes nothing.

I hate that the Kos community and the other blogs are giving BillO exactly what he wants - distracting them with a stupid pissing contest when there are far more important things to be devoting energy to. The better response would've been laugh, target the advertisers and move on to more productive things.

I know ... that wasn't nice of Mr. Stark. Gotta be civil at all times, regardless of what O'Reilly does, right? WRONG! O'Reilly made this kind of response necessary by the way he bullies and spews venom, but then cuts off guests on his show who dare call him on his bullshit. Bravo, Mr. Stark, bravo.

kerplunk @ 63:

John (Not Amato) @ 54:

Hey Andy K? Mudshark?

blah blablah blah mock concern 101 blahblahblah
blah blah blah blahblahblah

A really, really concerned troll.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha :lol:

For those getting creeped out, worried about stooping, and Billo's family. Have you recently sat through any quantity of the schmuck's righteous, rage-fulled prevaricating? If so, and the objections stand, then I think there is some kind of Stockholm syndrome taking effect. Anyone who would give a crap about this is not going to have his/her mind changed. Christ we're going to disappear up our own rear-ends.

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I can't wait to see the video Mike Stark has of the encounter.

"For those getting creeped out, worried about stooping, and Billo’s family. Have you recently sat through any quantity of the schmuck’s righteous, rage-fulled prevaricating? If so, and the objections stand, then I think there is some kind of Stockholm syndrome taking effect. Anyone who would give a crap about this is not going to have his/her mind changed. Christ we’re going to disappear up our own rear-ends."

Right you see. It's like those terrorists. Have you seen how mad and crazy they are, how wrong they are, killing innocent people !?

So what Fred suggest here, is we kill innocent people too ! Cause we can't let terrorists kill innocent people on their own, we have to do it too ! To teach them terrorists a lesson !

And those who disagree with Fred have the Stockholm syndrom!

Kerplunk.....no, I don't think so.

Oh' my, this was so awful. Mike Stark should act like the ineffectual Democrats in Congress: express outrage, stomp his feet, shake his fists and then sit back and watch as NOTHING at all changes. Yeah, that's the ticket...

F*ck O'really, he deserves it!!

We sat back passively as the wingnut right lied, cheated, stole elections and turned us into a country that kidnaps, tortures and invades other countries. I'm not advocating violence, but maybe if we were more aggressive, this nightmare would finally end.

Well said!

If we become like them to beat them, haven't we beaten ourselves?

I'm all for calling them on their bullshit, but next I'm going to be hearing that we should start trying to disenfranchise voters or intimidate people outside the polls, or smear the person not the argument just because they do it.
Hey, I want to fight tough and we can fight tough, we just need to stay on the side of light and not embrace the darkness. Frankly I won't help them destroy what's left of this country, the only thing going for us is that we aren't them, we have facts on our side, we have feelings on our side, we don't need to fight like them. We just need to fight. Call them on their BS , If you see someone you like who's combative and doesn't just take it on TV, call the show, tell them you thought the show was great and that they should have that guy back, conversely if someone is a wimp or doesn't represent our views then do the opposite. If we all spent an hour a day calling our congressmen, calling advertisers, calling news shows, and hassling editors we'd get a lot done. That's what the rabid republicans have been doing, their not lazing around smoking pot, they are jazzed on Jesus and 24/7 right wing talk radio and they are mobilized. We just need to keep doing what we have been doing. I call and write my Senator and Congressman on every issue that matters to me, I call advertisers and tell them I don't like the shows they sponsor, I call the shows and ask for retractions, apologies or clarifications. We can all hassle these people and make ourselves known without having to be outside someones door in the morning.

This would be wrong except that ORielly is just a remade Wally George.

Hey, Reporters and paparazzi hang outside house of the notorious, famous and infamous. BillO has done everything but set himself on fire to get attention, to puff himself up, to make a scene.

He's getting what he wished for. And you know, one is often cautioned about taking care while making wishes. He shouldn't have been so careless when wishing his wishes.

It's Flip, littlehorn. I can't make sense of your point.

Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in an abducted hostage, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger (or at least risk) in which the hostage has been placed. Stockholm syndrome is also sometimes discussed in reference to other situations with similar tensions, such as battered person syndrome, rape cases, child abuse cases, and bride kidnapping.

My reply had two main points: 1) It seems that those symapthizing with Billo's plight in the face of Stark's actions are showing loyalty or empathy to one who has abused them; and 2) The only people paying attention to the kerfuffle are people who already have their minds well made up about Billo and his antagonists.

As far as endorsing killings or terrorists or whatever your analogy is trying to imply. I think not.

Neener-neener "journalism" is an O'Reilly standard.
Plain and simple.

johnnyRocketpants @ 62:

John (Not Amato) @ 54:

THAT will make people think Kos is over the line.

Sure, the same people who already believe we are Nazis, or equivalent to a David Duke convention, thanks to BillO.

I say punch the bully in the mouth. Hard.

I disagree. I think that the Nazi stuff was ridiculous on its face, and all but the 26% untouchables (who probably make up a good proportion of his audience, granted) dismiss him as an idiot for saying those things. My point is that there is probably a fair proportion of the population who would dismiss him for saying that Nazi stuff, but would SYMPATHIZE (WITH BILL EFFING OREILLY) when someone shows up at his house and harasses him (yes, harasses.)

I lament that dailykos doesnt have a national cable news platform to punch him in the face with, but I still maintain that O'Reilly is his own worst enemy. His egomania and delusion are so transparent, that we need only point and laugh as he screams his way into obscurity. I believe that we are RIGHT about things and he is LYING/IGNORANT/WRONG. This kind of thing doesn't punch him in the face, it plays into his hands.

And Kerplunk, this isn't concern trolling. Have you been to kos today? 60% (last poll there I saw, 800 votes) agreed with me. Are we all concern trolls? I'm well aware of the concern troll phenomenon, but it seems to me that there is a legitimate disagreement within the liberal 'sphere regarding whether this stunt was appropriate. It's lazy and ignorant to just dismiss critics as concern trolls. I've always believed that 95% of concern trolls dont comment on blogs, because they have their own op-ed columns. Also, there is NO WAY that any "concern trolls" here or on kos are O'Reilly fans. Any O'Reilly viewer technically savy enough to turn on a computer and go trolling is smart enough to realize how asinine his "bloggers are nazi haters (as in nazis and haters, not haters of nazis). Yes, i have that much faith in them.

This isnt about "civility". I think most would agree that if Mike had showed up at O'Reilly's house with a camera and asked him to account for mean comments on his site, it would be "tu chè." But he didnt do that, he showed up and harassed billo by giving his neighbors pamphlets and putting up signs that had no purpose other than be meanspirited. It only played into o'reillys hands.

Alas, I've been a reader/watcher of C&L for years, and this weekend I made my first comments here on another post about a stunt that I thought was stupid and meanspirited. This is beyond that by a wide margin. There is no way that I can prove that i'm a longtime lurker instead of a concern troll, especially after my first commenting episodes. All I can say is that I think that this is an important discussion to be engaged in.

Mike @ 85:

If we become like them to beat them, haven't we beaten ourselves?
That's what the rabid republicans have been doing, their not lazing around smoking pot, they are jazzed on Jesus and 24/7 right wing talk radio and they are mobilized.

Huh'? What is this lazing around smoking pot all about? And, how can you say we're beating ourselves if we become like them at the top of the post and then towards the end say we should become mobilized LIKE them?

The rabid right is NOT afraid to offend the sensibilities of their more sensitive members. Mike Stark is apparently someone on the left NOT afraid to offend the sensibilities of our more sensitive members. GO MIKE!!!

as much as i long to see bullo get a taste of his medicine, this was a sleazy tactic.

and even funnier from stark who calls people "concern trolls" if they dare question him.

yet i thought a "troll" was somebody who shows up to disrupt and start shit...ironic isn't it?

I'm just curious, but when someone has multiple posts only calling people "concern trolls," that's okay? It's not considered an insult to the people they disagree with?

[Saved me from doing it-Sitemonitor]