Senate Democrats Cave - Agree To Give Bush More Power To Spy On Americans Than Ever Before
Via The Washington Post:
The Senate bowed to White House pressure last night and passed a Republican plan for overhauling the federal government's terrorist surveillance laws, approving changes that would temporarily give U.S. spy agencies expanded power to eavesdrop on foreign suspects without a court order.
The 60 to 28 vote, which was quickly denounced by civil rights and privacy advocates, came after Democrats in the House failed to win support for more modest changes that would have required closer court supervision of government surveillance. Earlier in the day, President Bush threatened to hold Congress in session into its scheduled summer recess if it did not approve the changes he wanted.
The legislation, which is expected to go before the House today, would expand the government's authority to intercept without a court order the phone calls and e-mails of people in the United States who are communicating with people overseas. Read more...
Contact your representatives in The House and let them know that America does not wish to give the president unfettered powers to spy on us. As always, be polite...
Time to hit the streets.
Unfuckingbelievable!
CONGRESS NOT ONLY CAVES ON FISA; GIVES BUSH AUTHORITY TO USE MICHAEL VICK FOR DETAINEE INTERROGATIONS
Ahh the land of the free.
First
What to do this next election? I can't vote for this bunch of pussies. Libertarian might work, but I think I'll just forgo voting on the national level.
First.My congressperson is Jean Schmidt.Do you think she`ll oppose Bush?
Let this show the people that party affiliation doesn't matter. They're all complicit, and the only way to make them stop is a full on revolution by the people.
Believe it or not, we are, right now, sitting still and saying nothing while terrorists seize our country. Just because they wear suits and speak English doesn't mean they wish us well.
"A true revolutionary acts out of love for his country"
Dr. Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Cerna Lynch
Why even bother having an opposition party?
kgp
FUCK the Democrats. They are just as bad as the opposition!
No TWO parties, just one WAR PARTY.
This is the end.
Be polite? Why, at this point, should we be polite? They aren't listening to politeness.
When you voted for a Democrat, Your vote DID count. And today you lost more liberties. Welcome to American Democracy!
We elected the Democratic leadership and created a democratic majority to avoid just this kind of situation. If the democratic house and senate leadership cannot lead, I would suggest they step down and allow some others who are not afraid to be tough with that band of crooks to step in and take over. But the wishy washy performance we are now watching, we will soon see defections by the thousands to the ranks of independent voters.
Its time for Gonzales, Bush and Cheney to be impeached.
Its also time for Democratic leadership to step up and prove they deserve the title "party leader."
What I dont understand is how we got from 1945 - 2000 without having the ability to spy on people? Particulary after FISA was passed in the 1970s specifically for this type of thing... either there is specific reasons for this or what else could be their excuse? So many people find it so fishy because the Russians are to this day FAR more advanced than some people in caves... yet we didnt spy on them? Or we did but only by putting our ears to their doors? What are we supposed to believe? It seems like one big power grab from the people to the Feds...Dems and Repubs in on it..
Already called my rep.
But this is just shameful. It's like 2006 never happened. Like Bush's 26% approval never happened. Like Gonzales's lies and obstruction never happened. It's like watching a beaten wife apologize to her husband for running into his fist.
The Democrats caved, again. Excuse me while I collapse in shock. Oh wait, there's nothing surprising here, just more of the same. Shameful excuse for an opposition party. Shameful. And they wonder why people are so apathetic about voting! I can't really even work up a good rage over it anymore, just a feeling of "yep, here we go again..."
Dem. pussies of congress,.....bunch of scare pussies
they are all chickenshits..
but i truely believe if they did'nt give this maniac his way there would have been another terrist attack they would have blamed on the dems ..
hey i've got a real nice house up for sale CHEAP..
see you in Canada
Well, all I can say is good luck trying to get me to vote in 2008. Keep this crap up and I'll just not vote.
I been sayin it all along, the dems are the exact same as the repubes. It don't matter what party you vote for, they all suck shit. They are all a bunch of cock suckers. I guess as long as guys like Carl Pohlad don't pay any taxes, all is right in the world. I hope they ALL suffer massive strokes, end up quads with partialy paralyzed throats, then choke to death on mechanical soft meat....
That would be justice.....
No, it's like a beaten wife writing a suicide note, jumping under a harvester so his husband will be safe, the truth never be known and he'll live happily ever after.
cetylovx @ 20:
That's right. Play into their hands.
MY "D" Senator didn't cave...and we're working hard on getting rid of our "R" Senator.
...starting to work on my House "D" now...
I agree with the first poster but I have a question. Why HAVEN'T more people hit the streets?! There have been huge protests against the war, but why hasn't there been any large-scale protests for the collective failures of this government? I think this has to be organized. I've been abroad so long, I don't really know what the hell is going on over there. I just follow it with the news and blogs...
Che's Lounge @ 1:
Time to pay attention to our own spirit and to make a point of not buying any more "stuff" than we actually need.Buy 2nd hand "stuff."
FORGET about any help from elected officials.As far as hitting the streets is concerned,well,I have since the 60s and 70s.It worked then,but doesn`t anymore because not enough of us do it.Call me when we have 20 million who are really willing to sacrifice something to get rid of these cretins.Till then,I`m going to do what they do in Washington;take care of # 1.
for god's sake you guys they HAD to give in...it was almost summer vacation--they're going to go hang out with iraqi leaders who are also on vacation.
i'm not sure if this era will eventually be labeled one of great upset or one of great vacations.
bush running around eating cake while n.o. drowned, iraqi 'leaders' on break tho their country is broken, and the dem congress?--i don't know, golf anyone?
25%er Shrub and 0%er Gonzo to Reid:
I'd pile onto the Democrats too, but this isn't about being chickenshit. Nobody is this cowardly, especially not the types of people who have made it this far into politics already. This is either A) complicity or B) the warrantless wiretapping did it's work LONG ago there is a big stack of blackmail tapes and pictures somewhere that is being used against, if not all the Dems, then a lot of the key players.
Very sad. I think it would bother me just a tad less if so many americans didn't stand around nodding their heads in approval.
The logo for dems should changed from a jack-ass to a cave-man. It only seems fitting...
We've got nothing but R's in the Senate and my D rep voted against (she always does, God bless her), so I don't know what to do about the Senate Dems constantly caving to the White House.
It makes no sense - they've gotten burned every time they gave Bush what he wanted, but they keep giving him what he wants!
And this marks the end of the United States of America. As far as I'm concerned, the terrorists HAVE won. Harry Reid is the biggest disappointment in the history of the Democratic party. He talked a big game, but in the end he dropped his trousers, spread his cheeks far and wide, lubed up, and took it deep and hard. What a PUSSY.
They just lost my support.
And by support, I mean vote.
Gonzo to Reid:
crazylove @ 357:
Because there was an implied threat of an attack on the US. If the CON-Gress blocked Bush, you can damn well bet an attack would occur. Coincidentally, of course, just like the Anthrax attacks in 2001. That no one barely breathes a word about false-flag terrorism, or that it scarcely passes the blog moderators unedited, is a MAJOR handicap preventing the People from recognizing and solving so many problems.
Remember all the Chertoff gut feelings? The heavy dose of propaganda "news" terror coverage? The various speakers trotted out to trumpet the higher risks, the "within 90 days" sense of urgency?
Come on, these people who really run things are highly Machiavellian and sociopathic in nature. Most people cannot even conceive of these things...which benefits the power-players of course.
I see the New World Order conspiracy theories are running rampant through the thread. Did Orally's friends show up to post?
Well, I'm glad the Dems pushed his (piece of sh*t) bill through, seeing as how they need their month-long vacation.
crazylove @ 357:
The short and simple: the Dem politicians that voted for it do not want to be blamed if there is a terrorist attack this summer.
They would rather abdicate all responsibility for governance to the chimp.
NChomsky @ 361:
How long do you suppose it was before the German people and the world discovered that the Reichstag fire was actually intentionally set by the Nazi's in 1933 (instead of Jewish Communists?) Or that Germany military actually attacked itself and then blamed Poland before starting the Blitzkrieg (Operation Himmler) Oh, I'm sure there were some hushed mentions between very trusted friends and family...but it sure wasn't talked about openly I'm willing to bet.
So will pass the modern era false flags into wider acceptance.
Just curious: are those of you posting about a New World Order Ron Paul supporters, by any chance?
Tatonka @ 300:
Come on, just say it. I'm sure it will be disappointing.
Paul in LA @ 343:
Who went to jail for BCCI, and Iran-Contra. I notice the base is still there. As far as facing machine gun fire making you a loyal and patriotic American. I know people who were in Nam and some of them are wonderful people others were complete amoral monsters. It is not a measure of anything. If it were then I suppose all those Blackwater mercenaries are on your A list.
Man, you are starting to sound like a groupy, either that or you work for the DNC. Rebel Patriot is correct these people start to become indistinguishable when they hang out together in the same secret organizations (and they are secret), socialize with each other in the Washington party scene. More indicative however, is the FISA vote. They all seem to think it is ok to destroy our civil liberties as though they were elected to do that. Excuse me but I don't recall any of these scumbags informing me or anybody else how they were running for Congress with the intent of making it easier to spy on us.
You see Paul, when a politician does something that is a polar 180 degrees opposite of what you elected them to do that is called betrayal. Personally I think people who live in states where these traitors were elected should immediately start recall petitions. Especially Webb, Feinstein, and Casey.
Rebel Patriot @ 360:
That is a satisfactory answer. Thank you. What you're saying is they were attempting to protect us from a staged attack from the sick fucks in the WH. We saw how scripted and lame those comments from Lott and Skeletor were. Christ I hate them!
Otay @ 365:
I would support anyone who supports the Constitution. Does Ron Paul support the Constitution?
It is more than evident that neither the Democratic **Party** or the Republican **Party** support the Constitution. Despite maintaining the requisite emotional divisive issues, they are both anti-Constitutional (and logically consistent... Anti-American.)
Are there individuals in those parties that haven't been corrupted? Of course, but they are marginalized, and serve only as a pressure relief valve.
Rebel Patriot @ 369:
I'll take that as a yes.
Otay @ 365:
Why are you trying to paint someone as a conspiracist. I don't know about conspiracists, but if you want to find conspirators and traitors look no further than the scum calling themselves Democratic leaders of Congress. Ron Paul is a right wing libertarian. One does need to be a right wing libertarian to notice that corporate globalists have no alledgiance to the United States or it's Constitution.
Most Democratic members of the House (probably Repugs too) require that you live in their district to send them an e-mail. Sheesh, no wonder the Party and the country are so f****d up!. Hello, it's called the 21st century!
Correction post 370: It shoud read One need not be a right wing libertarian to notice that corporate globalists have no allegiance to the United States or it's Constitution.
Libertarians, aren't those the same people who leave copies of the Watchtower on your porch? How about that guy from CA who showed up in '96, the TM-er with the gossamer aura. Just kiddin'.
So Feinstein, Casey and Webb are Recallable. Feinstein is NOT untouchable.
It's a DONE DEAL:
""the House of Representatives gave its concurrence to the bill, 227-183, a day after it won Senate approval, 60-28. ""
Who has the link for the actual reps' names who voted ?
Otay @ 365:
Are you trying to say that NWO posters are crack pots or are you saying that Ron Paul supporters are crack pots? I think if one is in denial about the NWO, one must truly be living in a reality which is absent of any rational thinking.
Consider the following quotes... A few of many by world leaders.
"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not
behind the scenes." --Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli of England, in 1844.
"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is the American Branch of a society which originated in England ... (and) ... believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule
established."-- Professor of History Carroll Quigley, Georgetown University, in his book "Tragedy and Hope".
"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson
"[The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most
significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United
States to change it's perceptions." -- Henry Kissenger, World Affairs Council Press Conference,
Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel , April 19th 1994
"David Rockefeller is the most conspicuous representative today of the ruling class, a multinational fraternity of men who shape the global economy and manage the flow of its capital. Rockefeller was born to it, and he has made the most of it. But what some critics see as a vast international conspiracy, he considers a circumstance of life and just another day's work... In the world of David Rockefeller it's hard to tell where business ends and politics begins" . Bill Moyers
"We know in the not too distant future, a half dozen corporations are going to control the media.
We took this step (merger) to ensure we were one of them"--Time Warner spokesperson.
"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent." -- Statement made before the United States Senate on Feb. 7, 1950 by James Paul Warburg ("Angel" to and active in the United World Federalists), son of Paul Moritz Warburg, nephew of Felix Warburg and of Jacob Schiff, both of Kuhn, Loeb & Co. which poured millions into the Russian Revolution through
James' brother Max, banker to the German government - See the Siss?on Report
"The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise their power from behind the
scenes."-- Justice Felix Frankfurter, U.S. Supreme Court.
"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
"Gun registration is not enough"--Attorney General Janet Reno--12-10-93--Associated Press
"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal"--Janet Reno
Deny there is a NWO coming or even already here and you are the one living in La La land.
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070227.htm
http://www.freedomdomain.com/nwoquote.htm
Otay @ 309:
Unfortunately there are two parties that control things. They do not want a third party. So, it is very unlikely that your system is ever going to be implemented. We also do not have referendums at the Federal level. The two parties made sure of that. The Republicrats will not allow the will of the people to supercede their monopoly on power.
Where is Pelosi and Reid on this, can anyone please tell me.
My letter to my representative, John Lewis (D-Blue Dot in Red Georgia)
" Sir, I write tonight a bit dismayed by the vote result from the Senate today which, in my view, sacrifices American citizen civil liberties for the illusion of a greater potential awareness of terrorist plans. I would like to point out that the current president himself received clear and compelling evidence at least 5 weeks before 9/11/01 that a significant terrorist attack was planned on US soil. To his discredit, he was not stirred from his Texas vacation by such advance notice obtained with tools and means that did not include warrantless spying on his fellow citizens.
Of course we must be secure from terrorist attacks and we have had the mechanism in place to maintain our safety since FISA was introduced some 30 years ago. Heedless disregard for this process only contributes to the evolution of the Imperial Presidency, answerable to no one and no institution including the US Congress. Ben Franklin had it right: we who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.
Thank you for your lifetime of contribution to the betterment of our nation and thank you for your time in reviewing this submission."
yeranalyst @ 354:
Kerry did challenge the election result, but he knew that Bushco SecState Blackwell had stolen the election. You may not recall, but I was on THIS WEBSITE trying to rally support for a recount and a challenge -- and was ridiculed for it. Atrios, all the rest, they just gave in.
crazylove @ 357:
FORTY-ONE Dems voted for it. Without seeing the voting, there is no doubt that most or all of that 41 are Blue Dogs, who have supported Bushco many, many times.
231 House Dems. 41 voted for this bill (20%). That's 190 loyal Dems who voted NAY.
Time to abandon the party, eh?
Weak.Weak. Weak. Grow a spine you fucking idiots.
Re: # 376 .. Peanut you are 1,000 % right..
Taking over the world was considered to be easier thru the Soviet revolution of 1917, under the cover of red ideals, but it misfired. Once they knew it, the effort had moved into the States, as the next nation w/ a lot of uneducated people without roots, who could be duped. Europe was considered too difficult, w/ too many familiar w/ similar shenanigans historically. They couldn't care less under what color they get it done, as long as they take over.
you say:" ..Kuhn, Loeb & Co. which poured millions into the Russian Revolution ""
Paul Warburg of Kuhn, Loeb, & Co. directed the proceedings and wrote the primary features of the Federal Reserve Act. Federal Reserve Board is not federal, and nothing about reserve.
There were two US presidents who understood the problem of the 3rd party issuing the money and charging the extra fees /interest to the US govt (ie. all of us): Lincoln and JFK. Both did sign the presidential order returning the currency issuing directly to the US government. Lincoln was assassinated within months, JFK -weeks.
There is confusion w/LBJ's action regarding this. One version goes that he left JFK's order not being executed, the second is that he rescinded it as the first act after being sworn in, still in flight from Dallas back to Washington, DC, with JFK's body in the cargo hold, and Jackie still wearing the bloodied outfit. This thread has never surfaced in any 'investigations' of the US govt into Kennedy assassination.
Paul in LA @ 382:
Paul...
Here's a link to the Clerk of the House for the complete voting record. I haven't been able to find on from the Secretary of the Senate or the Senate website itself. Do you have a link for the complete voting record of the Senate?
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll836.xml
yeranalyst @ 367:
We're talking about VOLUNTEERING to be an officer in a SwiftBoat. Name any other member of that college frat who signed up TWICE to go to war for his country.
There is no such thing as a comparison between a US soldier and a mercenary.
I do not. I am a protester, an active, in-the-streets worker for change.
NONE of the leadership voted for that. Senator Kerry voted NAY.
There is no recall for U.S. Senators in almost all states (NJ is an exception, maybe there are others). Feinstein was just reelected in 2006 without any problem.
REALITY:
"Dianne Feinstein (D) (inc.) 59.2%
Dick Mountjoy (R) 37.4%
Don Grundmann (American Independent) 1.8%
Todd Chretien (Green) 1.7%
Michael Metti (Lib.) 1.6%
Marsha Feinland (Peace and Freedom) 1.3%"
-- wikipedia
Put that through your Thinkomat 3000, and put the switch on high. You may actually realize how nearly impossible it is to replace incumbent Senators.
Paul in LA...
Here's a link to the Clerk of the House for the complete voting record. I haven't been able to find on from the Secretary of the Senate or the Senate website itself. Do you have a link for the complete voting record of the Senate?
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll836.xml
OK, Rasputin, here we are again.
TWENTY-EIGHT of 41 Yea votes were Blue Dogs:
Barrow, Bean, Boren, Boswell, Boyd (FL), Carney, Chandler, Cooper, Costa, Cramer, Donnelly, Ellsworth, Gordon, Herseth Sandlin, Hill, Lampson, Marshall, Matheson, McIntyre, Melancon, Peterson (MN), Pomeroy, Ross, Salazar, Shuler, Space, Taylor, Wilson (OH)
[There are 44 Blue Dogs, so that means that Pelosi and Hoyer have held a pretty big part of the Blue Dogs to the full caucus on this vote.]
The remaining shame goes to these 12 (plus one):
Altmire, Cuellar, Davis (AL), Edwards, Etheridge, Higgins, Lipinski, Mitchell, Rodriguez, Snyder, Tanner, Walz (MN)
I'm missing one, but you get the picture.
Paul in LA @ 388:
Paul...
I'm just looking for a link for the actual Senate voting record on the Bill. We've all read lots of analysts and partial list from bloggers and such. What I wanted to know is if you had any information links to the actual Senate voting record?
Ah, I left out a Blue Dog: Lincoln Davis.
So FORTY-FIVE BLUE DOGS VOTED YEA.
Twelve others joined them.
None of the leadership, none of the progressives, none of our part of the caucus voted for this crap.
I note that HERO RON PAUL DID NOT VOTE. What a show of courage!
Also not voting (Dems): Becerra, Clarke, Clay, Delahunt, Hinojosa, Kilpatrick, Klein (FL), Lantos, Skelton. None of those are Blue Dogs.
PS. How was your surfing?
Rasputin: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:s1927:
Rasputin @ 391:
Beautiful, though not much surf (usual for summer). I saw two pods of common dolphin, maybe 15 dolphin total, and a sea lion. Thanks for asking.
Paul in LA @ 392:
You got as far as I did on that one. I didn't see a comprehensive summary of the individual congressional reps vote on any of the links there. I could find them on other bills and roll call votes, but not S.1927. Odd.
Paul in LA @ 393:
Very cool!
I just called my congressman too, and I am so sad because I know it won't do any good. First, he's a W-dick-sucking Republican, and two because he's not even FROM MY STATE. Todd Akin, some fuck from New York representing the good people from Missouri...What kind of system have we devolved into?
As for the Democrats, I keep hoping, they keep crapping their pants, and I hope some more while deep down inside I weep. That hope might be foolish that the good will prevail, but I can't let go of it. I wonder if anything is ever going to change.
MOTHER FUCKER.
Ya know, Democrats, I will be voting third party this next election. I'm so fucking tired of getting screwed. You don't care for even standing up against these crooks. Screw YOU.
Jenny'O @ 27:
Man this is surreal. Iraq broken, Afganistan broken except opium business, US economy broken, everyone on vacation, Democrats giving up on Americans and their rights yesterday, is something really, REALLY bad is to happen in the next month or maybe I'm wrong and surreal things usually have tendency to come back to normalcy? Well, I don't think they do. But something is not right. Hmm.
Che's Lounge @ 1:
AMAZING!
Ain't it wonderful that we have a Democratic majority?
It is also time for a Progressive party. I have felt that we had to stick with the Dems because the alternative is so awful. Fact is, the conservative DLC types have taken over the party. More and more, I am beginning to think the 18th century French had it right.
cetylovx @ 20:
yes. don't vote. what better way to say 'fuck you' by just sitting on your ass, pouting.
this is just more proof that real democracy is dead in america. dems and repubs are just different factions of the same team working against the interest of the american ppl...
Why bother? What's the real difference between the Dems and Repug neo-cons?
I suppose the Dems hope this will raise congress' approval ratings. Good luck with that...
So who are the 16 Dems that caved? Where can we find that out?
Disgusted @ 43:
The following Democrats voted for it:
Evan Bayh (Indiana);
Tom Carper (Delaware);
Bob Casey (Pennsylvania);
Kent Conrad (North Dakota);
Dianne Feinstein (California);
Daniel Inouye (Hawai‘i);
Amy Klobuchar (Minnesota);
Nancy Mary Landrieu (Louisiana);
Blanche Lincoln (Arkansas);
Claire McCaskill (Missouri);
Barbara Mikulski (Maryland);
Bill Nelson (Florida);
Ben Nelson (Nebraska);
Mark Pryor (Arkansas);
Ken Salazar (Colorado);
Jim Webb (Virginia).
I heard a political analyst on the BBC last night said that the reason Democrats voted for this bill is that since it does not give Bush everything he asked for, they expect him to veto it. I don't know, but that would be interesting if it does happen. If not, this is another major strategic miscalculation by the Democrats.
Otay @ 44:
that list is extremely disappointing.
Otay @ 44:
Ah, the usual suspects. Webb should know better, though.
Rasputin @ 394:
Ah, I see. Well, we do have the parole evidence of the 16 Dem Senators we are told voted yea (tabulated in the open thread below). That suggests that some of the R didn't vote, but more than that is going to take some hunting.
Well, I just wrote Senator Mikulski about my disatisfaction with her vote. This is the last straw. I've given up on the Democrats.
BTW, this is a message I recently received from Senator Mikulski asking her to support impeachment.
"Dear Chip:
Thank you for getting in touch with me to express your views. It's good to hear from you.
I understand your concerns about the Bush Administration. I want you to know that the Bush Administration and I do not see eye to eye on a number of issues. As for your views on impeachment, our Constitution reserves the exclusive authority of impeachment to the House of Representatives. Only after the House votes to impeach and specifies the grounds for impeachment could the Senate begin an impeachment trial.
Knowing of your views is very important to me, and I appreciate that you took the time to contact me. Please let me know if I can be of assistance to you in the future.
Sincerely,
Barbara A. Mikulski
United States Senator
P.S. If I can be of further assistance in the future,
please visit my website at http://mikulski.senate.gov
or call my Washington D.C. office at 202-224-4654"
ok, educate a noob...what is a blue dog?
mk @ 398:
In essence, a DINO.
So Ron Paul didn't vote...
Paul in LA, my what vast and sweeping assumptions and foregone conclusions you make about how people think and feel, take them out of context, fly way over the mark and insult them with your own projections about these assumptions, then top it off with a cherry of self-congratulatory arrogance.
Interesting comments and I noticed no one read the bill. It's been around for about three years yet the famous 109th Congress never passed it. The bill protects Americans but the Dems don't want lying Gonzales to have control. But I must say the GOP did good making Americans think the Dems caved in. I read the Canada paper and it was funny how the out cry about this bill yet Americans didn't know they were being led by the nose again by the GOP. It's always interesting to see how the White House get Americans to jump when they say jump. Look for another Al Qaeda video when the GOP needs to keep their criminal acts out of the headlines. Cheroff will likely have another gut feeling and that's enough to get the people back in the fear state. Strange Gonzales continuously lies under oath, Rummy/ Generals/White House had Pat Tillman killed, the Bush appointees refuse to testify yet Americans see nothing wrong with that.
Bush as spent 1 Trillion dollars on the Iraq invasion and the money came from the US Treasury yet not a word for the American people. We will pay for our mistakes big time. Our taxes will go up while the 2% relax and we lose the Middle Class.
This whole thing was fixed. My guess is the leaders of the party agreed to allow 16 to vote with the Republicans just to give them enough votes to get the Bill passed. It's more than apparent now that the Democrats are no different than the Republicans. They've become Bush's enablers.
My hope is that registered Democrats won't turn into Bush supporters and keep supporting them and making excuses for their incompetence. I'm a registered Independent, I hope more people will jump ship and come on over to the independence party.
Anyone have an idea who the Anti-Bushclinton is yet? Come on give it a shot! Ok I'll give you a hint. He voted against the Patriot Act...
rainlillie @ 403:
And your evidence for this SLANDER?
None.
Since you are accusing -- without evidence -- the Dem leadership of disloyalty, it is only fair to ask what YOU do to change the world? Slander the honest? That ain't much of a help.
Because of those slanders, a lot of people mock Senator Kerry, for instance. He WON the election in 2004, which is prima facie PROVEN by the illegal destruction of the ballots by 2/3 of Ohio's counties. He, like VP Gore, were elected President, and Bush was NOT.
Call me disloyal sometime, to my face. Let's see what happens. You take it casually, but I'm betting you end up on the ground making such accusations of ordinary Americans in any bar in America. So much MORE COWARDLY is it to do it anonymously, withouts solid evidence, and without regard for the harm you're doing.
Sad :(....
It looks like the anthrax mailings in 2001 continue to pay big dividends for the pnaczi's.
jimt @ 5:
Im afraid I have to agree with you, jimt. I feel that my vote for the dem candidates was just a waste of time since they are rubberstamping anything that the rethugs put before them.
I hadnt voted for a long time until chimpy first ran. I disliked him so much, I had to vote for his opponent, no matter who it was. But, apparently, my time and vote were wasted since the cowardly dems cave in on every important issue.
Im going to pass on the next presidential election unless Al Gore or John Edwards get the nomination.
PS to bob casey, my newly elected senator; watch it, bub. you are serving on borrowed time. We voted fecal matter santorum out and we will do the same to you for your shameful acquiescence on the fisa bill.
Paul in LA @ 405:
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First of all what evidence do we have that Bush lied us into this war or that Libby didn't have a "memory" lapse, It's called commonsense. The evidence that the Democrats are just as guilty as the Republicans when it comes to selling our democracy is overwhelming.
It's time to face facts Democrats don't want to stop Bush and they don't want to end this war. If they did A. they would stop funding the war and B. They would vote to impeach Bush and Cheney. I'm not cutting them anymore slack, they know Bush is corrupt and yet they contiue to bow down to him. Sorry if reality is too hard for you to face.
Paul in LA @ 405:
You must have some special place on C&L to come off threatening people and not get edited or deleted. Good for you. Now, if your attitudes and posts are supposed to convince people to vote Dem, sorry but they will backfire. You sound just like the ReTHUGs you claim to hate. Sad.
I condemn everybody who voted for this. Gutless pieces of shit.
If HArry Ried were any kind of leader, if he weren't the gutless, corporatist enabler of fascism that he is, he would have put a hold on this, he would have ordered a filibuster. What a useless piece of dog crap.
they don't read these blogs, they don't care but they can be replaced, but not now. we have to go with what we've got. we got fucked out of two elections. let's get on with the program. be a yellowdog democrat.
How dare we spy on anyone, even terrorists. Ya know, they have rights too. How I hate Bush and his crew of intolerant scyophants. Never forget, all Republicans sterotype and democrats aren't stupider.
As soon as I get my doctorate i'm getting the hell out of this place unless Ron Paul somehow gets elected.
Nate @ 416:
You mean unless the Repugs are put back in power again to further destroy our liberties. Do you really think the Repub power structure (not to mention the Dem power structure many Paul-suppoerters seem to think is part of a large conspiracy) would allow a lone-wolf in their midst destroy what almost every other Repub, in the executive and legislative branch, have been working towards? Do you think he is a super-human Rambo civil servant?
Bonus Question: Why didn't Ron Paul vote against this legislation, if he has staked his rep around fighting intrusive government powers all this time?
Can someone explain why Leiberman is changing coats? How can you trust this guy? One time a democrat, next a*s kissing republican, and now an Independent. Soon, he will be a supreme dictator electing himself to the throne. Hillary will be his short-term president only to be blown up - the execution style like Foster.
Watch the comedy central from the white house.
Hold your breath!
OBL is a boogyman used to instill fear in the dim-wit Americans. Similar tactics used during the second ww. Bush family has been supporting the Saudis for decades and Iran has been in partnership with the U.S. Who do you think is insinuating the war against islam and iran?
You can fill in the blanks.
The Dems are defectors and have created the whole mess. Bush is going along with their ideology.
Anyone who is even remotely surprised by this needs to have their head examined. Especially those of you who are shocked, just shocked, that Feinstein voted the same way she's always voted since she got into politics. Unless your common sense and rational judgment has been hijacked for the last decade, you have no alibi. The mainline Democrats have always been and always will be the loyal opposition to the Republicans, shaking your hand so they'll have a chance at stabbing you in the back.
Vote third-party or resign to simply being manipulated again and again and again.
Ron Paul didn't vote on this legislation because it was a senate vote, and he is a congressman.
The only reason Ron Paul runs as a republican is so he is given a platform from which he can get his message out. He holds the majority of republicans in contempt of there actions over the last few decades. If he was running as a libertarian or constitutionalist he wouldn't be given the time of day from any news source including the opportunity to be in any debates.
Believe me Ron Paul is the biggest threat to the republican party...no question, more so than any democrat!
Ron Paul was a congressman back in the late 70's and learned quickly that our system of government had been hijacked by banking families and corporations. He fought the good fight and decided after a few terms that he would go back home to become his home towns only obstetrician. His career was a busy one, he delivered over 4000 babies during this hiatus and never once used government funded Medicare for any of his patients!
With his battery fully recharged he threw himself back into the political domain in 1997 to serve his hometown as congressman for Texas' 14th district. Here's a telling diddy... His Republican primary opponent, Greg Laughlin, had support from leaders within the Republican Party, including House Speaker Newt Gingrich and then Texas Governor George W. Bush. Incumbent Laughlin had switched from the Democratic Party to the Republican side the year before, but despite efforts by the GOP party, challenger Paul won the primary by a large margin.
Hope you enjoyed todays lesson~
Sorry, Tatonka, you seemed to have missed a lesson too. The House had a vote as well. Paul did not vote. Maybe he was in Iowa preparing for the debate. ~your friendly neighborhood site monitor
rainlillie @ 409:
No it isn't. We have SOLID evidence in both cases, as you very well know. You're a LIAR, maybe you don't know that.
"You must have some special place on C&L to come off threatening people and not get edited or deleted. Good for you." -- NChomsky
No special relation, and I didn't threaten the person -- I pointed out that he's standing in the shadows making SERIOUS aspersions on character, and if he did it to my face about me, he'd be nursing a bruise. He's a LIAR and a rumormonger, and that's not honorable.
Paul in LA @ 423:
First of all I'm female. Secondly I have a RIGHT to come on here just as you do and give a opinion without being verbally attacked by other posters. Is it just a coincidence that exactly 16 Democrats voted in favor of this bill. That was just enough to get it passed. I wouldn't be as suspicious if 19 or 20 that voted in favor of it. They knew how Liberman would vote. Therefore they also knew how many Democrats would have to vote to get the bill passed. I don't trust the Democrats anymore than I do the Republicans. Both parties are corrupt IMO.
Nate @ 416:
More evidence that Ron Paul supporters are COWARDS.
"You must have some special place on C&L to come off threatening people and not get edited or deleted. Good for you. Now, if your attitudes and posts are supposed to convince people to vote Dem, sorry but they will backfire. You sound just like the ReTHUGs you claim to hate. Sad."
I agree it is sad.
rainlillie @ 424:
I see, so you can come on anonymously, and slander public servants WITH NO EVIDENCE other than your assumptions. How do you square your outrage with your actions spreading vile rumors?
"Is it just a coincidence that exactly 16 Democrats voted in favor of this bill. That was just enough to get it passed."
IS it a coincidence? Is it a coincidence that the Dems, after massive votefraud, now PROVEN, ended up with a majority of ONE VOTE? It is no coincidence that Senator Feinstein voted as she did, and if you look at the rest, as I documented, about half of those votes are reliably in Bush's camp on this kind of vote.
What DIRECT evidence do you have? There is NO evidence -- and if they were corrupt, Bushco would be prosecuting the shit out of them.
You want to bash Dems, that's not some kind of halo, lilly. You want to spread your paranoia about the vote count, that's just bad politics.
But let me ask you just one little question: Suppose for a moment that there are maybe 20 Dem Senators who are in some way or other in sympathy with Bushco. Why do you think it is Leader Reid who is manipulating the vote in order to lose by the narrowest margin?
If the partially-complicit votes are needed, they vote their betrayal, otherwise they hold mum. That's THEIR behavior, because if Reid were complicit, he would CERTAINLY prefer a larger yea vote in order to avoid assertions like yours, that he is manipulating the votes.
You have the pattern reversed.
rainlillie @ 426:
On this thread alone, the site monitor deleted one of my comments.
This is another of your slanders, but I'm SURE site monitor would be happy to assure you that I am not one of their favorites. I just happen to be marginally tolerable, in part because I post a lot of facts, because I'm not actually a hostile influence on these discussions, but rather a passionate one.
There are plenty of disaffilated leftists on this blog. I am not one of them. I'm a Democrat. When you attack our leadership -- which in some cases I worked my ass off electing -- I take that personal. Your 'facts' are assertions of opinion, not facts. When you put 500+ hours into street protest, and thousands more into organizing, getting out the vote, and fighting actual corruption -- then you will have a better idea of why I'm passionate about not tolerating baseless slanders.
Paul in LA @ 428:
You haven't done anymore than everyone else who comes to C&L looking to get Bush out of office. Most have written letters, marched and signed petitions.The elected Democrats put their own political aspirations ahead of the people who voted them into office. They're more concerned about being labeled anti-troop and anti-American than they are about standing up for what's right and honoring the promises they made to the people who put them in office.
I'm not going to mimic a bush supporter and stand by them no matter what. They've already shown that they have more of an allegiance to the status quo than a allegiance to change.
This is just one of many votes they're going to cast to let Bush continue on his destructive course.
Paul in LA @ 425:
It's not cowardly to be fed up with the Democrats kissing Bush's ass. The reason their poll numbers are so low is because people realize they're not the answer to the problems that are facing this country. If anything they've become part of the problem, by being Bush enablers.
Arius Collingwood @ 420:
I agree, We need a third party candidate that can win. I'm sick of the Democrats and will never vote for a republican.
Don't be stupid. Remember what happened to those who stayed too long in Nazi Germany. Write to Congress? Shit, you better get out now before they start shooting you down in the streets.
[...] Congress in session into its scheduled summer recess if it did not approve the changes he wanted.Crooks and Liars » Senate Democrats Cave - Agree To Give Bush More Power To Spy On Americans T... Posted by chicano on August 5th, 2007 | Filed in George Bush, corruption [...]
its over.
He is probably using his new FISA permission to eavesdrop on Democratic candidates for Pres. He has said over and over that we are aiding and abbetting the enemy. What better reason to eavesdrop!!!!!!
Washington D.C. is full of two types of people: Chickenhawks and Chickenshits.
So how did the protesters in the 60's organize? I'm currently unemployed and would love to take to the streets. Unfortunately I don't think I have the charisma to lead the charge and organize a 20 million person march. Can't somebody put a march together for Labor Day weekend? Anyone? Bueller?
Their ultimate test will be in September when that "Report card" comes. That's when we'll really know if they know what they're doing.
grumbles @ 49:
I have little doubt about it.
Snowball @ 45:
It's exactly what bush-lite wanted....and he'll get even more after the 6 month Sunset
provision expires, when Congress will be required once again to review the entire FISA
operations. I expect nothing of significance will occur when re-reviewed and it'll just
be "business as usual'.
Holy shit! What a surprise! I'm shocked! Shocked I tell ya!
Pfffft. Dems are pathetic. Bunch of wusses.
grumbles @ 49:
And why wouldn't he also use these powers to eavesdrop on Dem candidates for the Senate and Congress? These Dem congresscritters we have now are beyond ineffectual - they are self-destructive.
BTW - anybody know which treasonous Dems voted for this crap?
If anybody wonders why the Democratic congress polls lower than Bush, I think that question has been answered.
If the rethugs hated something as bad as we hate this, they'd have put so many stumbling blocks in the way it would have taken until next Christmas to get it passed.
Oh well, couldn't expect em to forgo a small part of their copious vacation for something as trivial as the constitution.
deniz @ 25:
About that: I tried to drum up support for a General Strike of the Citizens of the U.S.A. I was typed down to with comments such as "..a patently absurd notion.." and "...the Dems will bring the change we demand - Hillary '08!" or otherwise ignored.
I am already disgusted with the rampant strain of consumer clone-ism disguised as Liberalism. I am disgusted that too many people (HERE) are big huge wussies who worry more about their mortgage payments, car payments, stuff to buy cheap from China and all the rest of their excuses that prevent them from confronting the honest fact that America is over unless we take to the streets and shut the fucking nation down!
Posting disapproving comments about the White House's behaviour is not enough to clear your Consumerist conscience, is it? You All KNOW what will stop this madness, but a box of Twinkies is only 99 cents at Wal-Mart this week and although freedom is sweet, BOX OF TWINKIES for 99 cents! Priorities and all...
I know what should be done, but I also know what the majority of posters here will be content to do...too many of you here, and across the U.S.A. will scratch your backsides, murmur "somethin's gotta be done, but I ain't doin' it!" and then proudly type how you all thought that something should be done.
I'd be willing to catch a bullet for my fellow Americans if I were confident I could trust my fellows not to piss it all away for a Dodge Durango.
Spineless pieces of garbage.
I'd like to know who the Senate Demo traitors were who voted for this garbage and what their reason was for abandoning their party. Oh wait a minute--were living in the time where political cowards, hacks, and yellowbellies are in charge. I guess not a one of them ever read Profiles in Courage or understands what risktaking means and how they could actually benefit by it. Instead of taking risk and doing the right thing these cowards caved and threw public sentiment under the bus. What do the care about civil liberties, the Constitution, or public opinion? All these selfish bastards care about is saving their sorry political ass and all the big talk and supposed good intentions are null and void without taking affirmative action.
The Green Party looks better every day. At least they aren't beholden to cowards or political save-asses.
A Senator is posting here:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/4/115949/3337
Send him some love.
Geez.
I agree with the above poster. The time to be polite has ended. This country is headed in the wrong direction and pretending like the Dems are going to help change things is just an enabling behavior. The day congress comes back in session we should have millions of people march on Washington. People should not be afraid of their government, government should be afraid of the people.
A reprint from the Progressive Review:
http://prorev.com/indexa
Sam Smith
Bill O'Reilly may be closer to the truth than usual in describing the DailyKos crowd as a hate group. After all, the mundane middle of the Democratic Party defines itself to an extraordinary degree by what it dislikes far more than what policies it supports. There is a mythology among liberals that if we just get rid of Bush, Cheney, Scooter Libby, and Bill O'Reilly everything will be fine. In fact, when you follow their advice and vote as they suggest, you find yourself stuck with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.
If you spend a lot of time talking with liberals, you find their rhetoric full of anger at certain individuals. You won't hear much talk of aingle payer healthcare or pension return or credit card usury. Putting Scooter Libby in jail is far more important.
Liberals didn't used to be like this. There was a time when - instead of just hating Dewey, Taft and Nixon - they actually accomplished things like these:
- Regulation of banks and stock brokerage firms cheating their customers
- Protection of your bank account
- Social Security
- A minimum wage
- Legal alcohol
- Right of labor to bargain with employers
- Soil Conservation Service and other early environmental programs
- National parks and monuments such as Death Valley, Blue Ridge, Everglades, Boulder Dam, Bull Run, Chesapeake and Ohio Canal, Mount Rushmore, Jackson Hole, Grand Teton, Cape Cod, Fire Island, and San Juan Islands just to name a few.
- Tennessee Valley Authority
- Rural electrification
- College educations for innumerable veterans
- Housing loans for innumerable veterans
- FHA housing loans
- The bulk of hospital beds in the country
- Unemployment insurance
- Small Business Administration
- National Endowment for the Arts
- Medicare
- Peace Corps
Part of the problem is that liberals have become more of a demographic than a movement, and a pretty upscale one at that. Thus the groups that Democrats used to worry about have been left on their own or to be victimized by conservatives who offer them salvation in lieu of a decent job.
It isn't that the non-elite is more religious these days, it's just that liberals used to have something to profide in the here and now to compete with the vagaries of the conservative hereafter.
The DailyKos crowd is having their annual meeting and getting fond attention from a media that clearly likes their willingness not to rock the boat and to treat politics as a semiotic rather than substantive enterprise.
For the record, however, it should be noted that many of those celebrated at this event:
- Voted for the Iraq war
- Supported the egregious No Child Left Behind law
- Have backed to the hilt the cruel and unconstitutional war on drugs, forerunner of the cruel and unconstitutional war on terror.
- Supported the Clintons who dismantled social democracy and turned the Democrats into GOP Lite.
- Backed NAFTA, the WTO and other assaults on the domestic economy.
- Have refused to support single payer healthcare.
- Have been remarkably complacent as Bush dismantled the Constitution.
In short, it's the sorriest bunch of liberals in over 70 years, which is why the corporate media is so tolerant and the conservatives can continue merrily on their way, often with the help of Democratic votes
Opposing Bush and his capos is a necessity but it is not a policy. Until liberals are willing to support something more than a minimum wage that doesn't even bring us back to where we were in 1956, they're really just one more thing standing in the way of change.
UnEasyOne, BMW 528:
The following Democrats voted for it:
Evan Bayh (Indiana);
Tom Carper (Delaware);
Bob Casey (Pennsylvania);
Kent Conrad (North Dakota);
Dianne Feinstein (California);
Daniel Inouye (Hawai‘i);
Amy Klobuchar (Minnesota);
Nancy Mary Landrieu (Louisiana);
Blanche Lincoln (Arkansas);
Claire McCaskill (Missouri);
Barbara Mikulski (Maryland);
Bill Nelson (Florida);
Ben Nelson (Nebraska);
Mark Pryor (Arkansas);
Ken Salazar (Colorado);
Jim Webb (Virginia).
Well, I guess it’s official. There really is no difference between Republicans and Democrats when it comes to protecting and preserving the Constitution of the United States.
When these elected dumbasses come home from DC for their August break, give them an earful. They have sold our rights out from under us and the time has come to seriously consider a third party in this country that will return us to Constitutional law.
We still have the power of the vote. Thatis if you can find an hinest voting machine left in this country. I say, hit the streets and let these scumbags no their jobs are on the line come the next election if they don't do something to overturn this idiotic legislation and return us to Constitutional law.
And somewhere up there, George Orwell is laughing at us, laughing because even if we were warned something like that could happen, we STILL let it happen.
The American people elect a congress to stop giving the president more powers, and what do they do? Give him more powers of course!
Freakaloin @ 41:
It really seems that way these days. That is to say, the most puzzling thing for me, assuming the Democrats aren't just a complicit bunch of illumnati-types themselves, is WHY they would cave at all! Ostensibly they fear the "terrorism" word and the public's perception of a Congress that won't do what is necessary to protect them (I puked in my mouth just a little typing that bit of stupidity), but godamnit! The majority of the populace would support them if they just started doing the right thing! Low approval rating for Congress? Jesus, Congress, you lot of assholes! Everybody always hates Congress! It's tradition! The only reason why Congress' approval rating is so low now, along with the administrative branch's, is that the country is going in the toilet. We are pissed WITH EVERY POWER-SUIT WEARING POLITICIAN DRAWING BREATH AND A PAYCHECK.
Ahhh, fuck it. I'll keep doing what I do. I'll tell anyone who listens what I think and what I know, I will vote for (puking again) the right people, I will make contributions to individuals and not a party, I will add my body to any demonstration that I can, and will probably, finally, register Green or Independent. Will that last part matter? Not if things are going the way they seem to be going. Party will not matter. But I won't quit. What choice is there?
Always thought living in Mexico meant I might be checked out. Now it looks certain. Land of the free my ass. And to think I was raised to fear Russia and them taking over.
Professor Farnsworth @ 46:
That's for sure. Six months from now we should remember every one of these Quisling traitors and tell them very pointedly to do the right thing for once when the reauthorization vote comes up again. What the hell are these people waiting for, 99.9% approval before taking a stand?
This is why I voted Gore, Kerry, Dems, and now Ron Paul. Who will win? Doesnt matter anymore does it? I believe in speaking the truth and then fashioning action based on that reasoned thought. So does Ron Paul. I would rather deal with someone that is reasonable and wrong on some issue because they can be REASONED with... this bunch on the in charge now have complete disregard for the spirit of the U.S. Constitution and use "We are protecting you little children" as their excuse... I am done with them.
http://prorev.com/indexa
LIBERALS STANDING IN THE WAY OF CHANGE
Sam Smith
Bill O'Reilly may be closer to the truth than usual in describing the DailyKos crowd as a hate group. After all, the mundane middle of the Democratic Party defines itself to an extraordinary degree by what it dislikes far more than what policies it supports. There is a mythology among liberals that if we just get rid of Bush, Cheney, Scooter Libby, and Bill O'Reilly everything will be fine. In fact, when you follow their advice and vote as they suggest, you find yourself stuck with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.
If you spend a lot of time talking with liberals, you find their rhetoric full of anger at certain individuals. You won't hear much talk of aingle payer healthcare or pension return or credit card usury. Putting Scooter Libby in jail is far more important.
Liberals didn't used to be like this. There was a time when - instead of just hating Dewey, Taft and Nixon - they actually accomplished things like these:
- Regulation of banks and stock brokerage firms cheating their customers
- Protection of your bank account
- Social Security
- A minimum wage
- Legal alcohol
- Right of labor to bargain with employers
- Soil Conservation Service and other early environmental programs
- National parks and monuments such as Death Valley, Blue Ridge, Everglades, Boulder Dam, Bull Run, Chesapeake and Ohio Canal, Mount Rushmore, Jackson Hole, Grand Teton, Cape Cod, Fire Island, and San Juan Islands just to name a few.
- Tennessee Valley Authority
- Rural electrification
- College educations for innumerable veterans
- Housing loans for innumerable veterans
- FHA housing loans
- The bulk of hospital beds in the country
- Unemployment insurance
- Small Business Administration
- National Endowment for the Arts
- Medicare
- Peace Corps
Part of the problem is that liberals have become more of a demographic than a movement, and a pretty upscale one at that. Thus the groups that Democrats used to worry about have been left on their own or to be victimized by conservatives who offer them salvation in lieu of a decent job.
It isn't that the non-elite is more religious these days, it's just that liberals used to have something to profide in the here and now to compete with the vagaries of the conservative hereafter.
The DailyKos crowd is having their annual meeting and getting fond attention from a media that clearly likes their willingness not to rock the boat and to treat politics as a semiotic rather than substantive enterprise.
For the record, however, it should be noted that many of those celebrated at this event:
- Voted for the Iraq war
- Supported the egregious No Child Left Behind law
- Have backed to the hilt the cruel and unconstitutional war on drugs, forerunner of the cruel and unconstitutional war on terror.
- Supported the Clintons who dismantled social democracy and turned the Democrats into GOP Lite.
- Backed NAFTA, the WTO and other assaults on the domestic economy.
- Have refused to support single payer healthcare.
- Have been remarkably complacent as Bush dismantled the Constitution.
In short, it's the sorriest bunch of liberals in over 70 years, which is why the corporate media is so tolerant and the conservatives can continue merrily on their way, often with the help of Democratic votes
Opposing Bush and his capos is a necessity but it is not a policy. Until liberals are willing to support something more than a minimum wage that doesn't even bring us back to where we were in 1956, they're really just one more thing standing in the way of change
Verdillac @ 56:
I hate to say it (I was in the streets in the 60s) but until the later days of the war (when protesting became the cool thing to do), most of the protesters were draft age men. Nothing sharpens your political conscience like the prospect of getting your ass shot off. With the all-volunteer army, it is too easy to just sit back and let somebody else deal with it.
Senate Democrats Cave - Agree To Give Bush More Power To Spy On Americans
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sounds like this union needs to dissolve.
No taxation without representation. We are now being taxed illegally. The Congress and Senate only answer to corporate and military interests. I feel as tax paying member of this society that I have been robbed and have no recourse except my own words and actions. I can no longer trust the people in office to use my money in a way that will benefit the people of America. All across America our infrastructure is crumbling while they pour more and more American taxes into Iraq. I no longer wish to fund the military industrial complex that now runs my country. NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.
Wouldn't do any good to contact MY rep. He just came back from Iraq and says that the troops want to finish the job (oh, yeah, they would like to come home.) What a jerk!
First, Jim Webb votes with the republicans to give Bush a blank check with no timetables (after paying lip service to 'end the war if elected') then he caves and votes with the republicans to take away more civil liberties. Jim Webb SUCKS! He 'switched parties' only to vote like a republican anyway. I guess those boots he flashed during the campaign have rounded heels...
Oh, and Reid should change the spelling to "REED" because he bends with whatever political winds are blowing....
The Democrats are indeed pussies and enablers. I hate to admit, but Nader was 100% right-there is no difference between the parties!
the only thing left to try is to vote for anyone, ANYONE, but the sychophants in office now. Any candidate who runs on a restoration platform, vote for them. The main thing is to vote out EACH and EVERYONE of these losers. What else is there to try?
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