Hoping for Horror...Stu Bykofsky
By John Amato Saturday Aug 11, 2007 9:05pmIt looks like Stu's column has gotten the reaction that I thought it would on FOX. Instead of denouncing a piece that wishes for the blood of Americans to spill so that we can get back to the good old times of being united immediately post 9/11 and wake people up to the threat they never want us to forget. John Gibson foolishly says that "I think it's going to take a lot of dead people to wake America up." I'm sorry, I think everybody did wake up on 9/11. But when we go after a country that wasn't the threat, it's hard to take the fear-mongering seriously.The problem is that Stu tries to distance himself from the headline of his article and says that the text of it never says the word "need" in it. What's the difference, Bykofsky? It's the screaming headline of your article! If you really cared about it, you would have threw a fit. I had to laugh because he says the initial reaction to his piece was pretty mild in Philadelphia, but
Stu: ....then it got posted somewhere outside of Philadelphia and this morning when I came in there were well over a 1000 emails and more kept coming in during the day.
Gibson: A bunch of those emails want you fired, right?
Good job C&Lers. I knew you would be thoughtful and succinct when you contacted him. Why doesn't John Gibson call him a nutjob, whacko, looney American traitor for wanting us to be attacked to prove some point? Instead, Gibson drools all over him and forms a unique bond with Stu. Would he be as accepting if a liberal had said something like that? It would be replayed on FOX over and over again and that person would be vilified by every conservative host and pundit across the country.
I will ask Stu to be the first one to give up his life for the dream he holds dear. I'm telling you that the extreme right wingers in this country hope for an attack on US soil. That is really sad, but they get away with it because they will always have a job at FOX.
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FRIST!
I'm right behind you, Erin. Right behind you. :)
Terrorists are our friends!
"We need another 911."
Stu Bykofsky: SACRIFICE your own damned life, you son of a bitch.
What a couple of IDIOT CLOWNS!
Old Stu had a disagreement with the HEADLINE WRITER... AND THIS GUY still GETS PAID to write that KRAP?
Gee, let me see... if Bin Laden organizes another attack on American citizens... and maybe another three thousand INNOCENTS get killed... wouldn't that be GREAT... because then we will all rally around behind our IDIOT PRESIDENT... and we'll be united again... and then maybe we'll all agree that we have to go to war with SOME OTHER INDESERVING COUNTRY... so the war on TERROR will go on F0R EVER AND EVER! Wouldn't that be GREAT!
That's right, Chris. If it wasn't for them, we would still have Freedom.
Cowboy Bob in Austin @ 4:
It should would!
John Gibson has a girlfriend, John Gibson has a girlfriend.
Now, let these 2 luvbirds get together and wank each other off while contemplating another attack on the US and the poll numbers it will bring to the republican party.
Fair and balanced my ass.
Typo!
I meant to say "It sure would!"
I'm so excited about our next attack, I overwhelmed with glee!
"I think it’s going to take a lot of dead people to wake America up.”
The SOB is 100% correct. It has taken a lot of dead people to wake America up. Over 3.000 dead American service people and countless innocent Iraqi civilians. America is now wide awake.
Why doesn't Gibson call him on his nuttiness? Maybe cause "Gibby" is, arguably,the most insane person (even for Faux News) to be allowed to run around as a free man?
Spare Americans the fear and body parts. You can't unite people under the thumb of fear......
If this Adm would have stayed with Afganistan instead of luanching into war with the middle class and Iraq. And didn't attack the very foundation of this country by erasing the Bill of Rights and considering the Geneva conventions Quaint or walking all over the US Constitution and his Republican (Party first) American second didn't look at this as an opportunity for there calling of greed.
Just stopping the War Profiteering off the backs of taxpayers would have been a sign. A small sign, but a sign all the same.
There will have to be another President and Adm altogether, to start regaining the trust of the American people. Bush and his Adm has done nothing but devide this nation along with his Tom Delays, Newts, Rushs, Norquists, Freidmans, Bill Kristols, and all the greediest snot they could inflict on Americans.
This Adm has about done what 50 Osama's or 100 times Al Qaida could do. Bring this country down from within and devide us. We all know Turd blossom's ( Rove) sole forte is dividing by hate.
Another attack on this nation like 9/11 will not unite us nor will the Romney boys enlist in the (real) military. Not the pretend military of working to get their dad elected. Thats not serving your country. Its serving your family and selfish ambitions. Only a entirely new Adm could unite us. There has got to be something in it for the middle class and poor. Excluding us does not unite us. Bush is completely incapable of this. Al Qaida is incapable of uniting us. This guy doesn't get it.
Probably doesn't understand terrorists and their desperate actions.
I'll be Guiliani has his fingers crossed everyday for another terrorist attack. It's the best chance he has for landing in the Oval Office. The GOP has nothing but terror and fear itself.
Yes, another attack would unite us in a way the right has not even envisioned. I pray nothing like that happens and that our children are more sensible than the generations before them. We have become everthing we attack in others. And there seem few able to be genuinely self critical. The lack of capacity for recognizing our own errors, our own terror will destroy us more than anyone outside of this country. It already has. Bush, Cheney, Romney, - all three have the peculiar inability to be aware of their own errors, their own violence and all three have an amazing lack of empathy. The first moral lesson we teach our children is one of empathy and these guys were never taught. Guiliani can be added to that list. And because we as a people are in denial of our own shadows, we actually vote for them. My prayers are for some sense of responsibility in all that this amoral bunch has done.
Ruthless,
You just gave me this thought of the political choices in the event of anothr attack.
I realize I would prefer to have a reluctant President toward taking action than a self horn tooting macho image, military service avoiding, Talk tough to look bad, go get'em type of president.
I think the reluctant man here turns out to do the strong right thing, with overwhelming force.
Ruthless People @ 12:
Rudy will be on the scene if there is another 9/11. Here's a clip from the Tom Hartman program featuring Paul Craig Roberts, Reagan official, who is afraid that the GOP is cooking something up to keep themselves out of the soup.
I'm working on fixing the code problem. Youtube is funky sometimes...
John says "Why doesn’t John Gibson call him a nutjob, whacko, looney American traitor for wanting us to be attacked to prove some point?"
Because Gibson, like too many at Fox, are also nutjobs and are either unable to see that, or wouldn't attack their own. Without Gibson, Stu and a myriad of other lunatics on Fox, Rove will never have his Permanent Republican Majority (ie single party state)
=my2c
BC
Bush has failed at everything else, so if we get attacked on HIS watch...AGAIN, what makes these little wankers believe that we'll be united and run to the repugs for protection? They're the ones touting how we haven't been attacked since 911. If we are attacked again, the dems can say 'hey we gave ya the new improved wire tapping bill and ya still dropped the ball!'
"I’m sorry, I think everybody did wake up on 9/11"
I disagree, the reason that Conservatives are hoping for another 9/11 is because fear short circuited rational thought to the benefit of the Reactionary cause and the Bush regime. That's what terrorism is supposed to do, try reading Mao on the subject. By sowing fear among the public and spurring an authoritarian response by the government, a terrorist can bring down a democratic system without military superiority.
He Could Of Found A Safer Zone
If Stu Bykofsky need a reference for a united America, he need only use WWII. It would of fit his purpose just fine. But no, he could not use WWII because there was a Democratic president leading our nation. Republican find it hard to use positive Democratic figures for examples.
As it stand, this country will never be united on this war. This is a shameful war, and our country have killed innocent civilians while we search for a valid reason for being in Iraq.
The right-wing media have been using 9/11 so much lately I truly believe I am starting to be desensitized to the fact that we were attacked unwarrantably.No leader should overuse a real emotional experience involving terror in the way this administration has. I only hope we can heal from what happen on that day, and I hope we can learn how not to react if it should happen again.
Joseph
[Deleted. You really think we are going to let that one stand?]
I think another attack at this time would prove everything the conspiracy theorists have been saying all along to be true. It would expose who's doing the attacks and why they are doing it. I don't think they want to do that.
One of those emails was mine, I'm proud to say.
As for John Gibson, Fox News loves one of Al Qaeda's biggest fans. I'm sure bin Laden would love to send Gibby a personal HallMark Thank You for your Support.
Ruthless People @ 9 .. RIGHT ON!
Sometimes I think FOX Opinion is trying to recruit for the terrorists.
And attention US Government. This is simply blogging nothing else. Just calm down....
Canuknotusa @ 21:
Get in line. ;)
Of course he's standing by his column, Gibson! It's where he'll be when the "attack" comes; standing there wondering why America didn't impeach this sorry regime!
Didn't their mothers ever tell them "be careful what you wish for?"
As someone from outside the US (Australia), I am becoming more and more amazed by the level of discourse in the US, mainly on the right although occasionally from the left. The level of hyperbole about "surrendering to the terrorists" and being "liberal traitors" is just incomprehensible to me. This is not normal, I don't know any other western democracy where the crazies are in charge of the dialogue. Certainly not Australia or the UK.
GD '07/ Was Mayor Rudy a hero?
Snowball @ 19:
I agree with your disagreement. Well said.
the authoritarian cultists pray everyday for an incident to cause more wars and for total monitoring of the internet
This just goes to show that people like Bykofsky and Gibson are just as bad as any terrrorist group. They would be prime suspects worthy of being tracked or placed in Gitmo because they have indicated for all to see that they have a motive for plotting and carrying out a terrorist attack on the United States.
Canuknotusa @ 21:
It's the Armageddonites that you should be mad at.
It's getting mighty tedious watching crabby-ass, flabby old fogey Americans bringing their all-encompassing buzz-kill upon the world. Why can't more geezers be like Jerry Garcia was? Tiresome, bitter editors and pundits keep wishing the world would end when they die.
Some logic these wingnuts have.
If we get attacked here while Bush is president, it is supposed to make us appreciate him more. But if we get attacked here with a Democratic president, it's evidence that Democrats can't be trusted with national security. Talk about a heads I win/tails you lose scenario!
strawberry @ 18:
Another attack would be tragic, but mere moments would pass before Faux and their compatriots would be making politicial hay. I wish that the Dems, should such a tragedy occur, act as you suggest, but their recent actions suggest that they would more likely behave the way my dog does when I find she has chewed a pair of shoes.
For all his bluster and bravado, if Bush had been president when Pearl Harbor was attacked, he would have immediately declared war on Australia.
Well eventually we will get another hit. But our global respnse to the the actions of a few nutjobs (see London train stations) is completely over the top. These attacks, like 9/11, or the bombing by our home-grown decorated Gulf War veteran, can and should be dealt with by the FBI and other law enforcemtent agencies. They did it with the '93 attack on the WTC and there are several people doing life terms for it. How many are in prison for 9/11?
Bykofsky is a trator who traffics in fear. He should be arrested and put in Gitmo. They have plenty of space, thanks to our taxes. Let's put the place to some good use for once.
Snowball @ 19:
I agree with your statement. Although, people like Bykofsky do not need to hope for another 9/11 to be carried out by some shadowy outside terrorist group. They could simply fund, attempt or carry out another 9/11 type of attack themselves and place the blame on that same outside terrorist group.
This is great news. Thanks for the update. Peace.
muzz @ 27:
This is what 17 years of right wingnut radio, and Fox news have given us.
V V
Snowball @ 19:
Conservatives aren't hoping for another 9/11, Snowball, none that I know of, and I know a lot of them. Please show me somthing that says they are. I don't think this guy is an extreme right-winger or even a conservative. From what I've read about him, he's more likely to be a liberal. But I don't care what he is, he's just another guy with an opinion.
Canuknotusa @ 21:
Yeah but Tony blair is a real humanitarian, like John Howard and British Petroleum. Fuck off asshole.
thanks for the update on this insanity...but here John, here is some good news, I watched ( okay choked and laughed ) while watching Brit Hume interview Mitt about HIS DOG ....it was Priceless, and also the part about his sons...all right at the tail end of Mitt's Strawman Victory interview...priceless....( gee I wish you had tape- it was THAT good...or well, bad depending on how you look at it..)
There is something in the bible about those who talk of peace but always deliver war.
I am surprised it didn't mention George W. Bush by name.
-GSD
P.S. Gibson looks like Boo Radley from To Kill a Mockingbird.
enigma4ever @ 42:
Mitt is a character from "Family Guy"
Canuknotusa @ 21:
Don't worry, it won't be much longer. Although we're likely to take erveryone down with us. I wouldn't even put it past these nutjobs to nuke the world out of spite.
Princess @ 40:
Wrong again, Princess. John Gibson, a reich-winger, agrees with Bykofsky and has stated this position on his radio show long before Bykofsky printed his anti-American reich-wing piece.
LOL. I'm glad you were able to label him a "liberal". You pathetic delusions are always worth a laugh. You forgot to mention Clinton, you tool.
For those who don't believe that GOoPers are wishing for a new 9/11, here are two cases.
One is anecdotal. My business colleague said that America needs a "Beslan" type(the school massacre in Russia) of terrorist attack so that people will realize seriousness of terrorists.
Secondly this is a quote from the Arkansas head of the GOP.
"At the end of the day, I believe fully the president is doing the right thing, and I think all we need is some attacks on American soil like we had on [Sept. 11, 2001]," Milligan said to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "and the naysayers will come around very quickly to appreciate not only the commitment for President Bush, but the sacrifice that has been made by men and women to protect this country,"
Any questions?
-GSD
Bykofsky is well-known in the Philadelphia area as a very conservative and eccentric gossip columnist with a sharp wit. He routinely digs up dirt on athletes, celebrities, etc. and is a darling in neoconservative circles. He has written for the News since 1987.
Princess is once again wrong. Go figure.
It's kind of like a massive Munchausen's Syndrome... He advocates deliberately keeping the country sick in order to feel the emotional comforting....
Dr. Matt @ 48:
Hmmmm. Conservative gossip monger, go figure. In the finest Drudge tradition.
dennis @ 40:
Gibson was wanking off to Bykofsky on his radio show Friday afternoon. If Bykofsky was anything but a reich-winger, Gibson and the faux scum would have been referring to him as a "far left columnist". Fact.
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thepoetryman @ 51:
dennis @ 54:
Herr dubyah already looks bad. "His" destiny is complete and written....failure.
Someone please show me something that proves this guy is a rightwinger, or that Gibson was drooling over him, or that conservatives in general want another 9/11.
Agreeing with some of his points is one thing, drooling over and advocating what he says is entirely another. Classic case of projection.
These are the Republican tactics you have to do to 'be like them' to win?
These right wing scum love death so much that it qualifies them as necrophiliacs.
dennis @ 56:
Since when does Gibson not refer to a liberal as a "far lefty"? Don't be so obtuse, twit. Attempt to be honest for the first time in your life, mook.
Absolute desperation. Anything to keep the game going, but its over and they know it. They had their turn and they blew it on neocon fantasies.
dennis @ 54:
and let us not forget what american president squandered the unity we all felt and the world showed towards our nation. what american president used the worst day in recent decades to advance his warped idealistic dream/nightmare on america. what american president still calls up 9/11 as if it were a catchphrase instead of a tragedy. imagine if you will for one second how the wingnut repubes would have reacted if that statement by Bykofsky would have come from anyone even remotely considered liberal leaning?
Let's see if I understand his logic here. 9/11 was a good thing because it united us and made us aware that something like 9/11 could happen. If 9/11 didn't happen that would be a bad thing because we would be blissfully unaware that 9/11 could happen so then we might be vulnerable to a 9/11 attack. Did I get it right?
I don't know - I just read the column - http://www.philly.com/dailynews/columnists/stu_bykofsky/20070809_Stu_Byk... - and it seems pretty straight forward. Usually, journalists don't wrote their own headlines, and even if they do, they are subject to change. I think in the article he's trying to make the point that Americans are divided over this conflict, don't have the patience to deal with a long conflict, and there's too much nonsensical chatter. Maybe I'm wrong.
[Deleted. Flamewar is over]
And the Sitemon's have asked us to cease and desist, a request you seem to feel is unnecessary to respect.
uncle wally @ 63:
You're not wrong, uncle wally. But that line of reasoning doesn't follow the script here.
Maybe it helps to realize that a dense old poop like him has a representative in each one of our families. Only this one got air time.
thepoetryman @ 26:
Stu doesn't know crap obviously. It wasn't posted outside Philly. Atrios lives in Philly and posted it and Stu's email to his blogs. And it went from there!!
Dennis you want us to prove that Blutarsky is a right-winger, and you are sure that Lefties want another tragedy to happen just to make Bush look bad. Why bother? You don't want to consider any facts that don't fit your preconceptions. You're just strolling through life.
I have disagreed with Bush on every single issue. But I would love to have been proven wrong.
I would be happy as hell if tax cuts increased revenues, and if sending our jobs overseas reduced our unemployment rates. I wish allowing industry to voluntarily decide whether or not to pollute the environment made our air and water cleaner.
I wish invading Iraq had made the entire Middle East stop fighting and hold hands while singing Kumbayah.
If Bush had been proven right on a single issue I would get down on my hands and knees and kiss his dog's ass.
Kuparuk @ 49:
Yeah as long as it's not his sagging rear that's sacrificed (so he can feel that warm-all-over feelin' agin')
STRAP HIM HIGH UP ON THE MAINS'L just in time for the 3-day squall (lightening, please).
myiq2xu @ 68:
Myiq,
I just disagree with the premise of this thread. Nothing I have read points to this guy being a reichwinger, or that Gibson was drooling over him. Or that conservatives lvoe guys like this because they want to see another 9/11. Asking for evidence of this contention is not trolling I don't think. And I didn't say Lefties want that either. I said there are likely those on the left who would like to see a terrorist attack so Bush can't make the 'no attacks since 9/11' claim any longer. As to preconceived notions, I would change my mind on this guy, who I've never heard of before, if someone here shows me convincing evidence.
And you might want to consider another moniker, myiq2xu. The tax cuts have increased revenues. And our unemployment rate is as low as the former President's ever were too. But save that for another thread.
Carmikl @ 62:
Right.
You heard Gibson: "I think it’s going to take a lot of dead people to wake America up."
We're not awake now. We were much more awake when we were sleepwalking behind the leaders who were sleeping on 9/11.
If they had been awake on 9/11, we'd still be asleep. But we constantly need to be woken up, or narcoleptics that we are, we'll drift off into a peaceful slumber.
Does that make sense?
It makes you wonder if Bykofsky and Gibson would be so overcome with warm-fuzzy nostalgia if another attack made America unite behind a Democrat.
I hope we never find out.
dennis @ 70:
When I was little my Grandma told me "Don't argue with a pig. I wastes your time and annoys the pig."
Ok, so why doesn't some liberal (to make a point) say it or write is publicly (with gusto)? That way, he/she can try to get Fox to vilify him/her. Let's see what they can get started.
From the same people who brought you:
"Ya know, if China were...to start making say, toys that don’t have lead in them or food that isn’t poisonous, their costs of production are going to go up...China is our greatest friend right now..."
Don't you see?
We need lead in our children's toys!!!
We need poisonous food!!!
We need another 9/11!!!
I'm interested in Bykofsky's claim that the war in Iraq has been so terribly mismanaged by the Bush admin. I'm just guessing that he thinks we haven't been brutal enough in attacking the insurgency... that what Iraq really needs is the strong and powerful boot of American justice kicked upside it's head... that what searches for WMD's, de-Baathification, reconstruction via Halliburton, the surge, etc. can't solve, a few tactical nuclear weapons would.
just a guess.
In all honesty, if another terrorist attack happened, why the hell would anyone go to this administration for help? I would hope that people would at least realize that (heaven forbid) if a terrorist attack happened, this administration would have messed up, and therefore have proven itself incompetent. With all the unchecked, unconstitutional power that the president now has, if he was unable to prevent a terrorist attack, how the hell can anyone believe that he would be able to do a better job under any circumstances?
Who would have thought Flavor Flav's "911 is a joke" would have been prescient of the Bush Administration and the entire conservative populace.
Of course the logic is flawed, and the fallacies Bykofsky is trying to sell are many. Beyond the idea that another "wake-up call" in the form of a terrorist attack is needed, his argument supposes that
1) Dissension and argumentation is bad and makes for a weak America. He talks of "America" as if it were a staid, pre-packaged item that acts as the world's moral compass and the archetype of nationalism. Those who wish to pluck out the political splinters in the guise of making everything nice would have prevented every major civil advancement in this country.
2) Americans have a common enemy in the form of "global terrorists who use Islam to justify their hideous sins." This assumption is a craven attempt to ignore domestic evils by searching for an external one. Bykofsky--or anyone, for that matter--could in no way defend a proposition that Al-Qaeda is a bigger concern in my life than the encroachment upon my civil liberties undertaken by this administration, the lack of universal health care, the corporate powers that influence the decisions of our elected officials, etc. Searching for an external enemy to hate when so much work needs to be done at home is lazy, cowardly, and dishonest.
3) That the situation in (that is, the occupation of) Iraq is currently some sort of "war" and that it is a part of a greater "war on terror," a precept that has been refuted many times before by many more knowledgeable than I. The audacity to suggest that we lowly public are somehow missing the big picture when we argue for personal liberties is simply galling.
4) Americans are not anti-war. Who the hell, as a foundational philosophy, is "pro-war"? Well, I could perhaps name a few.
5) Americans were united after the destruction of World Trade Center. Yes, there was huddling and wound-licking, but there was also a lot of distrust, suspicious glances, confusion, racial profiling, and argument. I witnessed heated arguments about the causes of and proper responses to the attacks on September 11, 2001, on a daily basis. I saw those who swore blind allegiance to the powers that be slowly pull away as a closet full of shoes, in the form of the Patriot Act, the Axis of Evil speech, etc., began to drop. Again, this is wishful thinking, derivative of a Hollywood summer blockbuster, that Americans are collectively the Rocky Balboa, looking to pummel the Ivan Dragos of this world into bloody submission.
What a load.
Why doesn’t John Gibson call [Bykofsky] a nutjob, whacko, looney...
Professional courtesy perhaps?
Malcontent @ 77:
Like Skeletor, I have this "gut" feeling our next "terror" attack will be served up courtesy of the current WH management team. They FULLY INTEND to create an artificial terrorist attack. They could behave differently this time however, and try to appear SUDDENLY THEY CARE they are benevolent heroes. If another terrorist incident happens they may attempt to be HEROES instead of the malignant monsters they are.
OR, use it to let Blackwater loose while strapping martial law on us at the same time.
Then, it won't be necessary to help at all and not spend that extra cash.
Maybe we could start placing bets on how they're planning to fuck us over. How & when?
goodjob taking credit for other sites work
The reason the reaction was so mild in Philadelphia is that very few people here pay attention to this idiot! We know he's a jackass!