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Polls? Why consult polls to determine what the American public believe?
Simply ask Chris Matthews or Joe Klein.
What they personally believe is surely what the majority of American people believe as well.
They don't care about polls. Polls? We don't need no stinkin' polls!
And the Bushies are thinking, 'Who cares?'
Won't change a thing, you Americans are stuck with it forever.
What the fuck does Bush care? He's not running again.
Shouldn't Ind/Somewhat Approve be just 9%?
The Corporate Media will not cover this. Too issue-ee....
The poll is weighted a little funny putting the independents level with the democrats and republicans. Nothing against independents, obviously because I am one, but im sure they aren't in equal numbers in the poll.
Nonetheless, it is still clear opposition that needs the be a resounding call to repeal the wiretapping legislation.
Not to mention the ENTIRE Patriot Act.
"The two of them sat for a very uncomfortable second looking like two wet cats."
Branson v Colbert water fight. This will be awesome to watch!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?...
Beautiful, wonder if Alberto, and his buddies were listening in to the poll phone calls?
22% approve! Who would have thought.
Well no kidding!!! Let's wiretap the politicians and make all conversations public knowledge, starting with Georgie Bu$h, (pr)Dick Cheney, Alberto Gonzales I don't remember, I don't recall, and KKKarl Rove...
I thought the majority felt if they had nothing to hide they didn't worry about wiretaps. Do they all now have something to hide now? ;)
Throw the DNC bums out.
So glad to see the polls.
So, does that mean the wiretapping program and the war are ending next week. NOT!
Spying is great.
DON'T SPY ON ME THOUGH.
Loonie @ 11:
They also approve of torture, elimination of habeus corpus and kitten juggling.
While I strongly disapprove of Bush wiretapping the phone calls and emails of Americans without a search warrant from a judge, this poll is hardly impartial. I wouldn't put any stock in a poll done by Democrats.com as much as I would a Republican or any other overtly partisan organization.
Another instance showing what assholes Republicans are!
Can anyone name a single example of a power or authority over individuals, granted to (or taken by) government, that it has then given up willingly?
Than how will we know what our domestics are doing?
From Democrats.com???? No kidding!!!
Newsflash: GOP.com poll says most Americans in favor of school prayer......
Geez.....
After Alberto VO-5 and the rest of booshco dies, I hope their sentenced to spend all eternity listening in on teenager's calls:
OMG
LOL
Whatever!
You hang up, No you hang up.
To be cynical, many of the people in this poll will oppose domestic surveillance one moment ... and then they will roll over and support the Bush Administation labels it "terrorist surveillance". Too many are unable to see through the B.S. and rhetorical smokescreens. And they conclude -- wrongly -- that so long as the wiretapping and surveillance are aimed at "terrorists" and "foreign" phone calls/e-mail traffic, that they are not under surveillance as well.
And THAT disconnect is the reason why the polling numbers differ from actual voting patterns. And this is probably the reason why the Democrats are so weak-kneed in fighting the Bush Administration on these issues. Not that this is any excuse for the Democrat's grotesque and craven cave-in last week on FISA ...
For all of their supposed disenchantment with the President, the American electorate remains relatively trusting and easily manipulated, as well as short on critical thinking skills. The poor quality of the media coverage of these issues doesn't help.
-- Bokonon
This wiretapping leaves open to spying at just about anyone this government chooses. People will become more weary having conversation with their Lawyers over the phone. People risk exposing their personal credit card numbers, social security, private passwords, etc.
They have the ability to spy on political opponents, politicians, activist, etc. The wiretappers will be able at-will listen to any of our intimate conversations with anyone we have an intimate relationship with.
This is an expanded version of wiretapping that has nothing to do with fighting terrorism. The government must identify the terrorist first before wiretapping is justifiable within the guidelines of the law any expansive methods should be pre-aproved by FISA.
Helloooo? When was the last time this administration listened to the polls or gave a damn about what the American people want?
Won’t change a thing, you Americans are stuck with it forever.
Exactly.
Not only does this not matter, but I can almost be 100% sure that, come January 2009, with a Democrat in the White House and Democrats controlling both houses of Congress, the laws allowing this will not be rolled back.
Jay @ 22:
and
Moose @ 18:
The poll was done by ICR, not Democrats.com It's published on democrats.com.
Note to the "blue dog" democrats: 87% of Democrats disapprove of your vote.
Old Billy, I think it clearly states in this line:
"according to a Democrats.com telephone poll of 1,006 adults conducted by ICR."
ICR made the calls.... Democrats.com funded it and framed the question.
Moose @ 30:
They gave you the question. You think that's framed?
Yeah, maybe a little.
QuakerDave @ 27:
Fair point, but keep in mind that Republicans -- already a paranoid bunch -- may suddenly see the light when it's a Democratic administration ordering the wiretaps. I think there will then be enough opposition to scale back the worst excesses.
Moose @ 18:
I followed the link to the site of the organization who performed the polling. I was hoping to find out how many households they called, what the response rates were, how they identified themselves, what area of the country the calls were to and the phrasing with which the framed in order to ascertain the quality of the data collected.
All of these factors can strongly affect the veracity of the poll. I was hoping that it was a well made, well conducted poll. I could not find out the specifics I wanted but was heartened by the fact that it was an organization outside of democrats.com chosen to conduct it. That lends crediblity to the results.
Bill @ 19:
Exactly! The Republics are all for wiretapping and the war, just as long as they don't have to actually participate in either.
Oh no, not another poll showing that Americans disagree with the Chimpy White House. Anything but that.
When will you people understand?
Chimpy and his henchmen don't give a flying shit what any American thinks. Simply doesn't matter. Only two opinions count....Chimpy and Cheney.
Cool, if only our "leadership" (and I'm talking about the Dems) cared what the public thinks. Sure would be nice to have our "leadership" on our side. Meanwhile "liberal" is still considered a pejorative, and congress has lower ratings than Bush.
And if anyone wondered why Congress has an approval rating of about 22%. This should be a lesson to all of the Congresscritters as to why they should not do anything the Shrub wants.
It's interesting to see such strong opposition from democratic voters to big government while gop voters seem to support big brotherism. But the GOP is trying to tell me is that the democrats are fascists and hate our freedoms. Go figure.
As a former member of the republicans, let me say that I'm embarrassed by that poll. I'm so glad I dropped out of the GOP. What a bunch of fucking sheep they've become.
What makes me really angry about this is that the Republican numbers would look a LOT more like the Democrats' numbers if we had a Democrat in office right now. Shouldn't they be freaking out that the government is too involved, too intrusive?
I hope the Democratic senators and represenatatives whose removal from office I will be supporting through upcoming election cycles read this poll result and understand why they are being shown the door. their betrayal is unforgivable.
So essentially three quarters of the nation doesn't like this shit...
I wonder how the right will swiftboat three quarters of the American public in such a way as to render this reality irrelevant.... I just know they are going to try and spin this some kind of way to keep this stupid illegal unconstitutional Bond movie bullshit going...JD
Spying on Americans and Criminal Secrecy
Only in Bush and Cheneys America.
Where the Diebold Corporation's IP address is associated editing Wikipedia topics "2008 Republican Presidential Candidates
http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/
Where the CIA's IP address is associated editing Wikipedia topics: "Pope Benedict XVI", "Sam Walton" "Oprah Winfrey" "Secret Society"
http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/
Where the Fox News Channel's IP address is associated editing Wikipedia topics on "other media organizations" "Dr. James Kennedy" "Paramount Pictures"
Where the National Institute of Health's IP address is associated editing Wikipedia topics "The Da Vinci Code" and Riggs Bank references in 2004, ( Riggs Bank was fined $25 million for violations of money-laundering laws )
Bush and Cheneys America
Where its no secret that the majority of Americans and Soldiers know they were lied to, but the media is still covering it up.
Where The Iowa GOP is facing possible suit over their use of the same Diebold machines that were just de-certified that were used during the Iowa Straw Poll.
Where Media and terrorism experts are concerned Al Qaeda Videos May Be Doctored
Where the Atty General is under investigation.
Welcome to a Completely dysfunctional
United States of America
heads gonna roll over spying on Americans.
"We don't lead by polls".
No matter what the polls say the msm does the "good for repubs" shtick
hmm, the 98% of Independents 'somewhat' Approve figure appears to be a typo, the chart in the linked article shows:
Wiretapping All Dem Ind Rep
Approve 22% 11% 17% 42%
-strongly 10% 3% 8% 23%
-somewhat 12% 8% 9% 19%
Disapprove 73% 87% 80% 51%
-somewhat 12% 10% 14% 15%
-strongly 60% 77% 66% 36%
With every poll something becomes more clear; Republicans are anti-American. Republicans oppose everything that is either good for the nation or approved by the majority.
I can't believe that there are idiots who have approved and are violating the Fourth Amendment as well as the First Amendment.
They are 1 percent international/dem/repub/independent elitists or the mob rule.
Thanks for rolling over Dems...
The poll question is pretty slanted. That being said, who the hell are the people who approve? I can only assume they didn't get Civics 101. You know, then whole "Bill Of Rights" thing. Anyone? Anyone? Is this thing on?
Funny how those that wave the flag with the blindest fervor understand the least about our country, our laws, our rights.
So 51% of Republican voters disapprove, as compared to 5% of Republican representatives (if the votes mean anything). Pretty astonishing.
the wealthy and powerful approve so it really doesn't matter what the rest think.
I'd write to my Congresspeople but 2 of the 3 voted against it. My Congressperson and one of my Senators voted no on it. The problem is that the third one (who voted in favor) is Lieberwanker. If ever there were a deaf ear to reason . . .
baylaw73 @ 50:
Pseudo-funny story on this point. I recently had an argument with a guy about international law, the international criminal court, and arms deals. He said we should break any such agreements we signed in the past with impunity. I asked him how he'd balance that against the fact that such treaties and entities created by treaties carry the force of United States law. He asked me where I got that from. I said the Constitution. He said, and I quote, "Well, I don't know which Constitution you've been reading."
Ignorance hurts . . . everybody else.
Since when does our opinion matter to these pigs?
Bonkers @ 55:
By pigs, I assume you mean both wings of the corporate party in Congress. You are correct. Dems and republicans alike will illegaly benefit from this breech of the gift our forefathers' intended as a promise to our citizens for political gain. This unconstitutional legislation was never truly intended to "fight terror". The least the democrats could have done was figure out how this program was actually being used before going on their little vacation and signing away our constitutional rights.
We truly need a third party so we don't have only crap to chose from.
LOL!!!!
Yeah right.
The very same public would change their f***ing minds in an instant, to blame
civil libertarians if we were subject to a major terrorist attack.
We can do something: Reward the companies that refused to participate when Bush came a knockin', like T-mobile.
Headlong into the iceberg, water crashing into the hold. I'd say it's a little late to continue believing our OPINION matters. 7 years, untold damage, and we still think our opinion matters. You know the slogan about "only humans, same mistakes, expect different results". (sigh, resume headbanging).
Guido, Lover, OBGYN @ 43:
really?
Old Billy @ 29:
And them Bluedogs don't care what democrats think, and they will keep 87% unable to function for the next 30 years as we "disapprove". Whattaya gonna DO 'bouddit?
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IS THE ILLEGAL WARRENTLESS WIRETAPPING OF AMERICANS, AN AMERICAN PRINCIPLE?
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BlueKnuckle @ 53:
Ask them, and ask of them AGAIN a third time and a third time more,
All that is needed for EVIL to succeed, is for good men to do nothing.
NOT writing, NOT calling, NOT protesting, NOT sitting in, NOT e-mailing, is exactly what is needed for this EVIL to succeed. Are you a good wo/man?
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Strikingly the Republican numbers should go to show the great disregard for the Constitution and the founding blocks of this Nation when it gets in their way.
Its that arrogant mindset that tells them how they are all trust worthy, all above the law, all knowing in whats best. This is why they become so corrupt. They don't think they can be. And are too self centered to see it happen to themselves. They surround themselves with others corrupt like them to help justify their guilt when looking in the mirror.......
Can anyone find a direct link to this actual poll? I'd like to know what questions they asked their respondents and how they chose the roughly 1000 subjects they asked. This is a very telling poll, if it turns out that the respondents are not primarily democrats.
Poll Finds Overwhelming Opposition to Domestic Wiretapping
Oh, great. Now the NSA knows this too.
Talk to them until you're blue in the face, another reason to term them "Bluedogs".
There's two in my state. They get plenty of feedback. They don't listen.
VOTE THEM OUT!
UNEMPLOY THEM...PINK SLIP THEM...SEND THEM A CARDBOARD BOX FOR THEIR STUFF.
so what, the Fed doesn't give a fuck about you, me or the Constitution.
[...] AMERICAS REJECT DOMESTIC WIRETAPPING [...]
So 42% of the Republinazi Christofascist populace thinks that treason against America is perfectly acceptable.
Lovely.
People are falling over themselves, bumping into each other, making no progress whatsoever except polls and useless opinions. I can't believe most people still haven't seen that this is part of a bigger plan.
"Why would Bush care? He's out in 2008."
How can people still think that this is just the will of one party or administration?
Yeah. I'm crazy because I can see what's going on from a distance.
You want crazy?
Who in the world ever thought we'd lose our 4th Amendment rights and allow the government to corral us around like so many cattle, watch every single thing that we do and listen to every single thing that we say?
It's like being in the back of a pickup truck going down the interstate at 140 mph with a shitload of people in the back all yelling, 'hey, this is fucked up! I want it to end!' But they just sit there and watch the scenery regardless of how dangerous or irrational it is. Even when the numbers are on our side (OH, another poll!) nothing changes because it's not supposed to change.
[...] an American I am opposed to any domestic surveillance program and there’s a good article on crooks and liars that gives the statistics. 73% of all Americans disapprove of the spying program. That’s a [...]
Do people living in America know what their government has been proposing to do, how can they be giving up their civil liberties to fear!!!! I don't get it..... http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=329
http://www.youpolls.com
Its time we realize that the corp. controlled media and the people we “elect”, with very few exceptions, are conspiring to seal our fascist fate. There was/is a reason that at the time this country was founded many state legislatures outlawed merchants interfering with the “peoples legislature” – that is - it was illegal for business to employ lobbyists.
Its also time for me to reconsider my support for gun controls, as it’s looking like they may be our only hope for reclaiming our government of – by – and FOR the people. The first step down the road to fascism was the extension of CIVIL rights to corporations, now we see those very same rights being pulled from under our feet. Corporations have the right to free speech in cigarette and alcohol advertising while citizens are herded into “free speech zones”.
Seriously! When was the last time you heard that legislation was being passed that wasn’t written by and for the benefit of some corporate interest or another? While only benefiting the public though some “trickle down” or “a rising tide lifts all boats” BS? We saw how that rising tide lifted all boats in New Orleans after Katrina.
The sad part is, thanks to limited ballet access and money, we’re stuck the Dems and Repugs who continue to play us for fools.
what i think makes all of bush's overreaching power grabs so bad isn't the fact he does them, but that the Dems always end up bending over and letting him take them.
why? they want this stuff too, so they put up the token fight long enough for the news to move on, then quietly bend over so they can take advantage of this crap next time they win.
it's all just a game to these people, but they're secretly on the same side.
Poll Finds Overwhelming Opposition to Domestic Wiretapping
[...]You can prove anything with statistics.. but I happen to like this particular set, and believe 'em. Too bad the congresscritters can't (or won't) read or listen -- because their constituents are speaking loud and clear.[...]
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