Senator Webb Sets Joe Scarborough Straight On Blackwater
By Logan Murphy Sunday Oct 07, 2007 1:46pm
Via TPM: (h/t BillW)
It may be a first. Castration via live satellite hook up.
This morning, tough guy Joe Scarborough unloaded on "Iraqi losers" for complaining about Blackwater for blowing away so many Iraqi civilians.
Moments later, Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) comes on the show and sends Scarborough scurrying for cover. Take a look. You'll get a kick out of it ...
Scarborough is hit and miss with me, but he really steps in it this time. I agree with him on some things, but we can't forget he's a Republican through and through. For those who don't watch his show, he also believes Scooter Libby was railroaded and thinks Bob Novak is a heckuva guy...
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I just know this vid is going to kick ass.
Joe made a fool of himself and Webb kicked him to the curd where he belongs.
Good Clip .... But I'm going OT for a minute here ... about two hours ago I came in here and the format was totally different and now its back ... what's up with that? I kind of like the new format, not so cartoonish.
Oh Joe!! Why is it not OK for Iraqis to speak out about their people murdered on the streets with mercenaries? Well Joe, we do have "cowboys going around shooting innocent people.
Everyone knows you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. And by "breaking", I mean "murdering and torturing"; and by "eggs", I mean "hundred thousand people". And by "omelet"... well, frankly, I'm not entirely sure.
I liked how Scarborough couldn't even make eye contact with Webb, who was ON THE PHONE. Now *that's* pwned.
Wow the audacity and the racism! People tend to forget that the U.S. was torn by a civil war not too long ago. And that the South and North were killing and maiming each other.
It's strange when Scarborough gets like this.
My memory is that he's against the war in Iraq.
well, that was stunning, Joe was totally corrected about the Blackwater Cowboys...I do give Joe a little credit for admitting that it is a effin mess, and that Blackwater is a part of it...my bigger question is , is the blong suposed to ever finish a sentence? or is she just more twinkette window dressing? and about the TPM subtitles- that was priceless...
thanks for Posting this, and thanks for Jim Webb for setting people straight...Now if the repukes would only listen to him...
I meant to ask is the Blond ever allowed to finish a sentence.???..sorry
I suspect that Mr. Scarborough was set straight by more than just Senator Webb - I doubt MSNBC really wants sell itself as "we're Rush-lite."
"If we're going to fight these type of wars ..." Fuck, Joe, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean to say that invading and occupying a country that posed no imminent threat, and therefore tearing multilateralism and the rule of international law asunder and killing scores of thousands of people, is a legitimate choice? That it's only a question of logistics after that? Jesus fuck, that's stupid.
Haha - that's great, almost as good as that video that's been floating around that shows McCain "flip flopping" his position within the same speech. You know, the way this douche handles himself after Webb comes on is very similar to a dog who just pissed on the carpet and is getting his nose rubbed in it.
enigma4ever @ 9:
I'm wondering that myself, whats worse was that he doesn't even talk over her to make a point, he stutters over her to trip over his own words a couple time. The bullshit can't get out of his mouth fast enough, it gets caught in his mouth like the 3 Stooges all trying to run through a doorway at the same time.
Basically, Scarborough's a bully. He loves to posture and shove people around but when confronted by an alpha who he thinks wields a bigger stick he puts his tail between his legs.
One thing to always keep in mind about Joe Scarborough:
http://archive.democrats.com/preview.cfm?term=Joe%20Scarborough
http://www.onlinejournal.com/archive/09-20-01_George-Wright-printable.pdf
http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/01.05B.Klausutis.1.htm
http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/01.07B.Klausutis.3.htm
http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html
they have yet to mention the number of times bw has fired on american servicepeople.
Joe, wipe the drool and egg yoke off your face.
Yeah, I saw that this morning and it was surreal as to how vociferous Scarborough was on the defense of these murderous contractors, even with his co-host, Mika, trying to talk him down off the ledge.
Outside of his frat-boy mien, and being just wrong on a bunch of issues, he's one of the only near sane conservative commentators out there from the land of Goldwater Conservatism, and even though I agree with him on some things, I lost a lot of respect for him watching his initial rant on this this morning.
I'm going to chalk it off to Scarborough having an untreated and unmedicated bi-polar streak.
One thing I found especially irksome was that Scarborough completely ignored the fact that this civil war that now exists in Iraq wouldn't be taking place if the United States hadn't invaded and had Saddam killed, since he was the glue, (just like Tito was in former Yugoslavia, and even though they had an atomic bomb project in the 1950s, (that my physicist Dad worked on, that's how I know about it), we didn't invade them), keeping the country together.
Total intellectual dishonesty on Scarborough's part.
He, like everyone else in the American government that saw what happened in Yugoslavia when Tito died, knew exactly what was going to happen when Saddam was taken out.
Also, Scarborough completely neglected the fact that the Iraq Government has already ordered Blackwater out of the country when this story first broke last month and it is completely irrelevant as to whether or not that the Iraqis can defend themselves with Blackwater out of the country.
Either we respect the sovereignty of the Iraqi government, or we don't, and at this juncture, given what's happening in this situation, it's obvious we don't.
~nwa
Anonymouse @ 10:
I think that's exactly what they were going for when they hired hapless Joe -- conservative, but not crazy conservative. They hired Savage Weiner to be the crazy conservative. Weiner turned out to be a bit too crazy, but Joe, he's just dumb as dirt.
When he started his rant this morning, I got so disgusted with him that I changed the channel and didn't know about the Webb part. Thanks for posting this. It was sweet revenge to hear Webb slap Joe's cocky ass. Joe actually did a physical flip flop right before our very eyes. He went from ranting asshole to sniveling jerk in only minutes.
Joe just compared Iraqis to Nazis......brilliant.
I like the way scabpikkker says we'll take our troops and go home. what a phukkking ignant maroon!
Nyc W. Alberts @ 16:
Thank you.
CD @ 7:
Joe is a reich-wing water carrier. He may, from time-to-time, sound reasonably grounded. But, don't let his brief moments of clarity fool you. When Joe hurt his back during the run-up to the 2004 elections, he handed his show to Pat Buchanan who spent two weeks straight legitimizing and defending the smear boat vets. Joe made daily appearances from his home to help smear Kerry's record.
Dr. Matt @ 19:
I caught that, too. Absolutely beyond the pale in hyperbole.
Doesn't Joe realize that the Iraqi's would in fact be taking the country back from the American troops at this point?
let the GOPites defend mercenary-war profiteering companies. let them. of course, as joey has demonstrated, they don't have the guts to defend the indefensible when called to task on their idiotic statements.
One thing I'd like to see a follow-up on is that in the last week or so Scarborough went off on a riff on how prevalent cocaine use is in the backrooms of the New York Media Elite.
He says he doesn't do it, and I believe him, but he did express astonishment as to how much of it he has been seeing of it in the last few years.
His co-hosts went out their way to make him change the subject.
~nwa
PS: "The Blond" by the way is Mika Brzezinski daughter of President Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, and past that, as this clip clearly shows, she does have some redeeming qualities.
By golly...old Jimmy-George WebbAllen weighs in and does his tough talk act agin. Hey Kimmy-George, here's a thought! Maybe...just maybe if you'd quit voting for the F#@king FUNDING OF BLACKWATER and our presence there by giving bush 3+ blank checks...just maybe they wouldn't be there in the first place.
I missed the part where Jimmy-George WebbAllen accepted partial blame for the ongoing situation. Remember..no money, no mercenaries. Even media tough-guy Jimmy-George should be able to figure that one out!
AndrewK @ 24:
Recall that during the 2004 elections, Herr dubyah spent every debate lying to America that the Iraqi's had division after division ready to take over the country at any moment. Remind me, what year is this?
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I'd like to believe that joe got his ass kicked but the video doesnt show much and the huge gap in the center makes me question it
Who am I? "When I was a congressman......When I was a congress man......When I was a congressman. Hey Joe! Who cares! Let us not forget 'Cuppa' Joe was part of Newttie's "Contract against America".
Oh c'mon Logan it's sooooo obvious - Scarborough acts all bully tough and manly when he's talking to a woman (whom he considers weak), but the second Jim Webb's strong masculine voice comes through he's all pussy cat, hoping for some hot foot tapping action! These Republican newsmerchants, Tweety, Scarborough, what's with them and their lust for powerful males?
Dr. Matt @ 22:
I remember Joe did a whole segment on Bush titled "Is Bush stupid?"
I think of him as a real Republican as opposed to a Bushling who ocationaly falls back into his old habbit of defending anything with the name Republican attached to it.
BaScOmBe @ 20:
Wait, I think Joe's on to something there ....
Pull out all the troops. Leave the Blackwater thugs behind. Let the Iraqis hire Blackwater to secure their country. Everybody wins.
again, the comparison of iraq to postwar germany...when there is no comparison
do these idiots ever pick up a history book?
This jerk must be one of the wimpiest people in America! I love how strong in convictions are when he is talking to someone who will not oppose his BS but as soon as a real man (Jim Webb) gets on he changes he stance to accomidate the new guest.
I guess that's what you get from the Conservative News
uncle joe mccarthy @ 34:
No, not once...never would they pick up a history book, becuase it would punch holes in their talking points!
Yeah, if "Iraqi losers" don't like the way we invaded their country, why don't they, er, invade their own country?
why is it that all of the tv news these days are just op-ed rants?
he sounds like a dad at his kid's football game.
what a putz.
Astro @ 37:
Heh-heh. Exactly.
Is it just me, or does Scarborough lack professionalism in that segment?
Hey Sacrborough, did those loser Iraqi's ask us to invade their country on false pretenses for oil, destroy their infrastructure, get millions of their people killed so Halliburton can get no bid government contracts?
Those ungrateful Iraqis!
Nailed it!
lolz
Was that schitzophrenia that I just witnessed?
When Imus was on...Joe was interviewed by phone ..laid up with a back injury. He was joyous taking oxycotin...even asked Imus if he ever took it. He could have been doing a commercial ...nice for those thinking about trying it..or going through hell to get off. Family values in action.
Joementum @ 39:
"If Iraqis don't like how we're running things over there [...] why don't they take their country back."
I think they are... But we call the insurgents.
Take their country back??? They had a damn country before we went in like a bull in a china closet and destroyed everything.
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 35:
Real man? Webb voted to allow bush to illegally spy on you. Webb promised to end the war and has voted to give bush a blank check 3+ times and counting..(and don't forget he voted for the cowardly MoveOn resolution.)
Real man? Real men honor their convictions and promises. Webb has done neither. Feingold is a real man. Kucinich is a real man. They both stand up for their convictions and their promises. Feingold continues to introduce legislation to end the war. Webb folds faster than Superman on laundry day and votes no differently than the chuckle-head he replaced.
Don't give me this 'real man Webb' crap. Webb is a republican DINO and little else.
What ass kicking? It was edited out. This was a waste of time.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 34:
It's because they are shameless, period.
Also, they figure that the public is kind of stupid and
won't catch on - and for the most part, they're right.
Oh, and Jimmy-George WebbAllen also voted to allow offshore drilling on Virginia's coast! S.Amdt. 1566 to S.Amdt. 1502 to to H.R. 6 (CLEAN Energy Act of 2007 ) Thankfully, it was rejected!
Yeah...he's just a peach, that Jimmy-George.
Conservatives have a tendency to view the world through the rhetorical frames they've built. They have a very hard time seeing things from another person's perspective-- indeed they don't even see the obvious realities of their own position.
Everything is buried beneath rhetoric, slogans, flags and spin. Everything is always "us = good, them = bad". It's a way of simplifying the world and comforting themselves. The problem is that the world is much more complex than these cartoonish stereotypes, and so they're almost always dead wrong.
First: the headline overstates Webb's call by a lot ... Scarborough basically calls innocent Iraqi civilians - who are criticizing the widely reported bad (read: murderous) behavior of Blackwater - Nazis! And Webb doesn't challenge him on it .. at least in the parts we see in the video.
Second: THANK YOU hanshiro, for putting Webb in proper perspective with respect to the real politicians of priciple: Feingold and Kucinich.
Here's another Jimmy-George WebbAllen classic:
S.AMDT.2602: AMENDMENT PURPOSE:
To provide sufficient funding and incentives to increase the enrollment of uninsured children.
That sounds like a laudable goal right? RIGHT? So why did tough-guy Jimmy-George VOTE AGAINST IT? Because he's nothing but a lying DINO.
Joe @ 53:
My pleasure. People can get misled by the 'sound and fury, signifying nothing,' of Jimmy-George WebbAllen and he uses that to his advantage. (He is a fiction writer, after all...) Problem is, Webb is a legislative fraud who doesn't vote the way he huffs and puffs.
That 'tanning bed look', is eerie. Can't they fix the pale ring around his eyes with makeup?
I can understand that he doesn't get out in the daylight, but that just looks artificial.
The definitive 'Ugly American'. Arrogant POS.
I can imagine Scarborough screaming "LOSERS!!" over the hundreds of thousands of Bush-created Iraqi graves.
Pathetic.
Stu @ 6:
second [big darkness comeing soon]
Here's the Jimmy-George WebbAllen icing on the cake!
Remember when Jimmy-George made that rousing, tough-guy speech after the bush SOTU speech and how the democrats would "show bush the way" out of Iraq? Remember how Jimmy-George promised to work to end the war 'n all? Y'know, his kid's boots waved around and the whole southern-fried kabuki?
S.AMDT.2924
Amends: H.R.1585 , S.AMDT.2011
Sponsor: Sen Feingold, Russell D. [WI] (submitted 9/19/2007) (proposed 9/20/2007)
AMENDMENT PURPOSE:
To safely redeploy United States troops from Iraq.
Couldn't be any more straight-forward than that, right? If we safely redeploy, the 'Blackwater' problem recedes. Simple, right? Can you guess how Jimmy-George voted?...can you?...I know you can. Here's a hint: He voted the same as Lieberman, just like the idiotic MoveOn resolution...
enigma4ever @ 9:
Mika is one of the best journalists currently on cable ...hardly just "the Blond(sp)"...what colour is your hair pray tell???
gee old joe really spoke with respect to webb , maby webb sent him an autographd copy of his last book!
Thank God for Senator Webb and the very few real Americans that are allowed any kind of voice in this disgusting media world and to even be given UN obstructed excess to speak out on these sick Bush policies.
It is also sad to continue to have all these right wing zealots controlling this democratic country and forcing us to endure all of this miss information.
Can you just imagine what the 2008 election is going to be like with these clowns. We are getting a taste of it as we speak.
StCyrlyMe @ 63:
See #27, 47 and be enlightened...
At least Scarborough can concede in some way when he is wrong and allows his guest to talk. Not like the rest of the Fox or talk radio.
"It may be a first. Castration via live satellite hook up."
And I thought castration was a form of disconnect.
Joe S. did make one(and only one) good point. Why is it that "our" military currently
comprised of approx. 168K troops in Iraq cannot do the job of providing security for the diplomats, congresspersons, etc. who visit or are stationed there within the Green Zone. Blackwater has at a MAXIMUM 1,040 troops/mercenaries within Iraq under contract to provide the security...that small number is certainly not large compared to numbers of U.S. military forces within same area, so I too question why it was initally or now necessary to have any Blackwater security forces within Iraq. In event anyone wants to question the
1,000 or so Blackwater personnel in Iraq...this is the number provided to Waxman's
Congressional Committee last week when the CEO of Blackwater gave testimony under
oath...
When you meet someone like Scarborough, just walk away mid-sentence. It isn't rude to do so. He's just noise pollution.
This sort of video is why Webb is so much different than George Allen.
Whaaa?
Did I miss something?
That can't be the whole interview.
Where was the "castration"? Webb (with the voice of Joe Lieberman) just pointed out that Blackwater is an unregulated mercenary company and then Scarborough rolled over just like that?
Something must be missing.
There has to have been more to Webb's statement than that clip showed.
Iraq says get the f*** out
BAGHDAD - Iraqi authorities want the U.S. government to sever all contracts in Iraq with Blackwater USA within six months and pay $8 million in compensation to each of the families of 17 people killed when the firm's guards sprayed a traffic circle with heavy machine gun fire last month.
link to last comment
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071008/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_blackwater_repor...
CD @ 69:
Yeah, Allen makes no pretense he's a dirtbag republican, but Webb does tough-guy lip service then votes with the republicans. Big difference between a republican liar and a democratic DINO liar. Talk is cheap and isn't a vote. Webb is a fraud.
I can't tolerate Joe Scarborough.
He's TWO FACED, his opinions are usually based upon Republican talking points, he really thinks that his Newt Gingrich GLORY DAYS in the House have ANYTHING to do with reality... and will never admit that Newt's whole moment of fame was based upon lies and subversion.
Joe is small minded and never bothers to look further than hype and empty accusations when it comes to the Democratic Party, our Presidential contenders, or our front-line issues.
Wasn't there something about a DEAD INTERN in his congressional offices? What's up with that?
Does Joe ever let that poor woman speak??
Errrr.... That was considered a castration? That was pretty damned mild. Particularly considering the foulness of what Scarborough actually said. Iraqi losers? So... invade a country, destroy its entire society and then call them losers because they don't follow your timetable?
Sometimes, people disgust me.
=my2c
BC
not half the payoff you promised.
Well following this link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html
The White House just needs to throw a few more people into jail (like our good Senator from VA). Bravo, unfortunately the run up to the war with Iran continues....
Joe Scarborough has the mentality of a 9 year old boy.
Doggiebobo @ 67:
i can think of some answers to this question--
one possibility: the "VIPs" *cough* do not trust the military for their protection.
another possibility: the "VIPs" *cough* (coming down with something, methinks) know that blackwater will go to extremes to ensure their security. even if that includes killing innocent women and children, ya know, the ones that posed zero threat. they knew blackwater functioned (not so much anymore) outside of US law and iraqi law and the blackwater mercenaries could just obliterate every living organism in a 10 mile radius (and would, gleefully) in order to ensure that the "VIPs" were without any scares--legitimate threats or not. not the best way to win hearts and minds, call me crazy.
another thought: we have no idea how many blackwater mercenaries are in iraq. believe the dark prince's testimony at your own risk. and god knows the media won't report on the activities of the mercenaries, as their security is provided by blackwater.
Hahahaha, Scarborough has no balls.
Webb had one sharp knife. He sliced em clean off. LOL
Sure Joe, the Iraqis have fucked it up allright. They failed in their invasion, occupation and reconstruction of their own country.
Scarborough is nothing but a tool. And he's really BAD at it.
what a douchbag
Jim Webb is gonna have to do allot more than that to earn my respect back. Traitor!
I'm amazed at how arrogant this moron can be and the sad thing is he's not alone. If it was not for the illegal occupation of the US, the Iraqi people would not have been so devastated as they are right now. Who are you to go into their country, destroy the people and the infrastructure of the world's most oldest civilization, and then turn around and have the balls to tell them as you did.
Scarborough is a neocon of a different type. I listen to him frequently, but often get nauseous. He claims he is not a republican, but a conservative, the next day he is doing things and looking at things as a republican, then he is not owned by the republican party, nor is he owned by the democratic party.
He never knows where he stands, nor has he any convictions. He claims to hate the war, but any time someone says anything against Bush's war, he will be the first to defend Bush even on the indefensible.
On this particular clip "Why don't they take their damn country back..." is particularly offensive. Maybe the question he should ask is why did we take their country away from them in the first place.
Scarborough is one disgusting individual. I sent an email to them complimenting Mika Brzezinski on standing up to Scarborough. But not letting her finish what she is about to say is a typical neon trait. They want to talk, they hate to listen. (Re: O'Reilly, Hannity, Gallagher, Cavuto - they all do it)
Anonymouse @ 10:
Yup, I get the feeling that he received a little note during his tirade and that he was backing off before Webb came on. I'd like to see the whole segment.
I don't see it.... I watched it twice.... It just a boring clip with a couple of half clever sub-titles. Everyday I wait, I read, I watch, hoping to see one of these talkingheads get their ass handed to them. Numerous times the titles tell me this clip is blah, blah,blah, Pelosi says back, "What a question." Wow.... She really told Brent what's what! (or whatever his name is). Lets face it. The LEFT DON'T DO TV. ok Ratchel Maddow rocks and should be on every show! But let us face the facts. They suck on the tube.
Doggiebobo Says @ 69
If I'm not mistaken, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought during the hearings on Blackwater the number of "security forces" there are close if not over the total amount of U. S. troops we have in Iraq. It seems I remember a number in the 100's of thousands, not thousands. Sounds like it's own "surge" if you ask me.
I actually like the fact that he backpeddled once he realized that he was wrong. More people should try it.
Scarborough:
Scarborough, minutes later:
I'll give Scarborough the benefit of the doubt of the doubt for this prima face contradiction, that he's angry at Iraq and wants us to leave, so he is criticizing Iraqis for not standing up, and yet he wants to hold Blackwater accountable so he then condemns them. It's hard giving Joe this benefit, but I'll do it this time.
Obviously I must have clicked on the wrong vid or something. I saw no such thing as Webb setting Scarborough straight. What I saw was Joltin' Joe spewing like a complete fracking idiot!! Iraqis are Nazis Joe?? What the hell is wrong with your brain Joe? Oh my god.
where does webb hand him his ass again?
looks like webb just stated the facts and the guy changed his tune for some reason.
did not deliver!
Last week, he was complaining how Rush Limbaugh was being unfairly maligned by Media Matters for his "phony soldiers" comments. That did it for me. It tried to give the SOB the benefit of the doubt (mostly because I respect Mika Brzezinski's even handed take on events) but I just can't stomach watching him any more. I tried to e-mail the show to complain but for some reason it came back as "undeliverable". I thought that was strange because I used a link on their website?!
Anyway, it was nice to hear Senator Webb make Scarborough change his tune (he sounded like a totally different guy when talking to Webb. What a hypocrite!)
Otay @ 92:
Trust me. It doesn't pay to give him that benefit. He will revert to his right wing ideology every time.
Joe Scarborough lost his scrotum. He was aggressive and bold with Mika Brzezinski. Suddenly, he turned in a marshmallow when Jim Webb got on the phone line.
Scarborough - a shooting star in Republican circles years ago...abruptly decided not to run for reelection a few years ago. He had a very safe Florida panhandle seat. Is it true he did not run because the Republican Party machine told him not to run because of his womanizing?
flip flop...
Potter @ 98:
Could be. Republicans seem to be more into male bathroom toe-tapping. Perhaps they are afeared of heterosexual men??!??
It was the koolaid.....it surged......................
Stu @ 6:
This is off topic, but I beg to differ. The South has never forgotten the Civil War, a term that is not used South of the Mason-Dixon Line. It's called the War Between the States, The War of Southern Independence or the War of Northern Aggression. Its history is taught differently in the schools. The first Gulf War was the first time I saw many more American flags than Confederate flags down South. That was a war that brought the US together; the current one has driven us apart, though not strictly along state lines.
Thanks to Sen. Webb for setting the Blackwater record straight.
Who has the patience to sit through "Morning Sickness with Joe Scarborough"? I feel sorry for Mika B., she is an excellent journalist in her own right. For years she was on Channel 3 in Hartford, Ct., and was very highly thought of.
Scarborough is a syncophant and an apologist for this Administration and all of its criminality and Joe is its biggest defender.
Mika is doing penance by being on the same show with him. Bring back Imus--rehire him--at least he was trying to hold this crowd of crooks in DC accountable.
Vic @ 2:
Funny you should say that, because when I was a kid, we used to call the kind of behavior Joe displayed after Webb put him in his place "eating cheese".
Stu @ 6:
It was more than 140 years ago. That is quite a while.
That was pretty funny although Mika must have been tearing her hair out. He wouldn't listen to a word she said but when Webb comes on ----
Thank you whoever put up that youtube on Mika. Made me really like her and see what she's up against....
Scarborough got on his soap box, but after he heard a good and resonable argument, he stepped down and changed his story. That is very admirable and is not a quality that many talk show hosts and especially Republicans do these days. Kudos to Joe!
This is not castration, this is a man showing off a very small dick.
What's with the roving camera panning around the news room? Does anyone else find this distracting and/or ridiculous? Do they think they have to entertain us visually in order to force feed us this puerile man's personal perspectives?
For various reasons, I don't watch this or any other news program. Instead, I troll C&L, DU, BUZZFLASH, YouTube, and other websites for news clips--and clips like these are virtually impossible for me to watch. I shudder to think that most of the viewing audience is lapping up this crap...
hanshiro @ 47:
"Real men honor their convictions and promises. Webb has done neither."
You're slandering a good man. You appear to be completely ignorant of the U.S. Senate, a body which Rep. Kucinich isn't in. Even Senator Feingold -- IF YOU ASK HIM -- will tell you that Senator Webb is a valued colleague, and a HUGE improvement over Macaca Allen.
Webb is the JUNIOR Senator from VIRGINIA. His senior, Warner, has been one of the most powerful persons in the US gov't, and going from NO experience in politics to junior Sen under Warner has got to be a learning curve from hell.
And Webb has apologized for some of his votes, something which Macaca Allen never would.
Meanwhile, WHAT does hanshiro do for the country? Anything? Somebody bring hanshiro some glass slippers. Someone so perfect shouldn't have to touch the ground.
Joe has zero knowlage of history.
Fact is, in Germany only the Top-Rank Nazis were removed. The entire structure below remained and never faced a trial.
And we are not talking about the teachers forced into the NSDAP or like, we are talking about the goons that organized the deportation of the jews after the war becoming high ranking people (police chief f.i.) as well as office holders.
But that was in the sense of the occupation forces as well, seeing that a left-leaning government might side more with the Russains then with the West the fascist base was kept and just 'cleaned up'.
All the old Nazis and Stasi (former east German secret service but also used for the government) joined the new right-sided political parties in Germany.
Also many of the Nazis were then employed to /worked with the western allies to oppose the Russians.
Not to mention most of the Nazi technology (f.i. V1/V2 rockets that cost thousands of lives, not only of those who were hit by them) was assimilated by the winning forces. The US space mission profited off of the work of Nazi scientists.
People, like Joe, should just shut up if they are totally void of any knowledge about WW2.
The cool reception the US got in Iraq is probably the reason why the US, contrary to Joe's comments, does not want a strong Iraqi force. That force has a high potential of siding with Iran.
Not to mention the 'they stand up' is also just an excuse to keep the troops in. The US does not want the Iraqis to 'stand up'.
Webb was sharp. Nice to see.
I also have to say, that directing style with the ADD camera is an obscenity. Crap ain't any more exciting hand-held.
Anonymouse @ 10:
In Scarborough, that's exactly what they've become. Add to that Tucker Carlson and oftentimes, Chris Matthews and what have you got? "Rush-lite."
There is a sort of irony here. Scarborough replaced Imus' time slot. Imus didn't like Scarborough.
MSNBC needs to unload itself of all republican baggage.
joe douche bag scarborough is a typical repub idiot. He clearly has Blackwater values.
I do not want my taxes going to an extremist Neo-nazi republican group like Blackwater. A company of murders. These people are worst than the KKK. I sure as hell would not want my taxes going to the KKK.
A conservative who can change his mind on something? I can't believe it!
HAHAHA!
Joe Scarloser gets PWNED. What a weak punk.
WEBB keeps a strong pimp hand. FOR REAL!
BC @ 106:
When it comes to nation building 140 years is a drop in the ocean. Iraq, as a state is less than 60 years old. The same goes for most of the states in the Middle East.
hmmm Says: "where does webb hand him his ass again?
looks like webb just stated the facts and the guy changed his tune for some reason.
did not deliver!"
That was my impression as well. So Joe changed his mind after talking to Jim Webb, probably because he is a Vietnam vet and a respected senator. What's the big deal? Can you imagine O'Reilly or Hannity changing their mind like that? They would have probably just yelled over Webb and cut his mic.
I would like to see this segment complete and unedited.
I don't like the right-wingers' Clinton Body Count/Chappaquiddick accustions and am similarly turned off by this "dead intern" stuff. (Hannity has even tried to pathetically revive Vince Foster conspiracy theories to smear Hillary Clinton. How is the dead aide stuff any better?)
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