"Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week" Off to a Rough Start
By SilentPatriot Monday Oct 22, 2007 7:44pm
Yesterday kicked off David Horowitz's much-anticipated "Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week" college tour which, according to his website, was to stop at 200 university and college campuses -- including such prestigious schools and Yale and Princeton. So what happens when these schools are contacted and asked about their participation in this ridiculous event? Turns out they have no idea what Horowitz is talking about. Turns out even Jerry Falwell Liberty University doesn't want anything to do with it.
Josh Marshall has more:
Bogus Intel Used in Fight with Islamofascism
Hmmm. I've never been an advocate of kicking a buffoon when he's down. But it seems our friend David Horowitz may be padding his list of colleges and universities participating in Islamofascism Awareness Week (aka "the biggest conservative campus protest ever"). According to ThinkProgress, Horowitz has already been caught adding names of schools that aren't participating in his mumbojumbo in any way. Indeed, they even got caught listing Liberty University, the school Jerry Falwell founded. But now Liberty has demanded their name be removed.
Do we have any C&L readers from these schools who can confirm or deny?
From the Vault: In case you need another example of how much of a clown David Horowitz is -- you don't -- check out his stirring defense of Coulter's attack on 9/11 widows from Larry King last year.








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We really need to stop the insanity.
Luckily a bill to kill the Military Commissions Act is being presented, FINALLY!
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/65836/
first time being first!
This guy is a complete idiot....
It's not taking off because who in their right mind wants to attend something with such a stupid name.
Islamofascism is fracking dumb. I applaud students of all ideologies for not buying into this man's b.s.
There has been an effort to kick one of these ruckuses up at the University of Washington in Seattle, but it doesn't appear to have been a howling success.
I cannot find the event scheduled on the Ohio State University Events Calendar: http://www.osu.edu/events/indexWeek.php
David Horowitz is the man who promoted the use of torture after 9/11. I am already aware that he is a fascist. He need not go on tour.
Hmm...drink in the dorm or watch some crazy man rant and rave? Tough decisions for today's students.
Morons like this go on tour? Good grief.
He should go to UCSC or UCSF......they'll love him there.
I think he'd have better luck offering to drive trucks full of toxic waste onto campus. Ass clown.
David Horowitz is the personification of a Zionist Nazi...a truly tragic figure.
surely any rational thinking person can see straight thru this......geeezzz.
mudshark @ 13:
Yes, but those folks are not the one's he speaks to.
Whats next with these guys. Mandatory morning exercise for Americans at work?
I'm at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. I know he's coming. The College Republicans, tools that they are, invited him.
xoites defends Constitution @ 14:
No, he's talking to the people I used to live next door to in South Carolina. I get emails from them every once in a while, the husband (building industry) lost his job and can't find anything with insurance for his family. Their Ajustable rate mortgage came due and they don't know how they can keep their house.
But they still can't seem to figure out that THIS ADMINISTRATION has anything to do with it and will votRepublican next year.Unfortunately, it seems as though Penn State's YAF will be hosting some events on campus, which luckily will be met with counter-protests/events led by Muslim student organizations. Jeebus, every Pennsylvanians' favorite
ass-hatformer senator, Dick...I mean...Rick Santorum has even promised to make an appearance. Can't. Hardly. Wait.I teach at Drexel, and he's not on our events calendar.
David Horowitz, like Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity and Glen Beck et al., is a danger to society. Any opportunity to show up this intolerant fearmonger is an opportunity well taken. It's refreshing to finally see these petty tyrants challenged at every turn. Eventually, they'll whimper away, tail between their legs and become completely irrelevant. They deserve it.
ashton @ 8:
Nah ... If you time it right, you can do both ...
David Horowitz was a Ralph Nader wanabe! When he failed, he did a 180 and became a neocon water boy.
nope, not at Princeton (http://calendar.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/team/webevent.cgi?cmd=opencal&cal=...).
This entire administration and its apologists need that fvcking Monty Python foot muy pronto.
Rough start? Meh.
Just wait until people start gettin' my "Happy Islamo-Facism Week" cards that I picked up at Hallmark. Can't wait fer "Illegal Immigrants Are Out To Steal Our Loot And Ship It Back To Mexico Week". I'm all stocked up on those cards.
And I got a pinata fer the party, too.
David Horobitch, what a nutcase.
Steve Everett
http://www.JustAThoughtThatsAll.com
Jeezus, are these crazy fuckers liars, or just plain delusional? Please, make it stop!
Not listed at the College of DuPage. http://www.cod.edu/cal/
Andy K @ 25:
It's a hallmark moment!....hey site moniter...whats up with the new thread above this one.....closed comments on a new thread?
Site Monitor: Word Press is being cranky. I let Nicole know and she has re-enabled them.
OT....Why are the comments off on the post of our little nimrods speech today?
Come on....I promise not to threaten violence.
Bob in N. Thailand @ 17:
I know a few people who are in the same situation...and are going to lose their home....and are republican...they don't question what's going on.....they just have that 1000 yard stare.....know what I mean.
I believe this may be the 1st time I have seen pre-emptive censoring of comments on C&L.
I hope the students do to Horowitz what the crowd did to Podhoretz at Barnes & Noble in NYC when he spouted this same shit recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MBzLTjVMhY
Buy mini-megahones everyone, and go with friends who will record the outcry. They can't jail or kickout the entire audience for objecting, or can they?
I work at USC... walked all over campus the last two days and my awareness of "Islamo-Facists" doesn't feel very heightened... couldn't find anyone or anything seeking to make me aware... saw an ad for Ann Coulter speaking on campus tomorrow in yesterday's Daily Trojan, but no ad in today's issue.
I was made aware of some sale prices on Trojan T-Shirts out in front of the book store.
Does this mean the Islamo-Facists are winning?
Damn
Shared Humanity @ 31:
me too
Don't post items if you are not going to allow comments.
Site Monitor: Chill out. It was a bug in our new Word Press upgrade. It's been fixed.
I know Emory isn't having this... they were too busy wrapping up an event for someone a million times more significant than Horowitz: the Dalai Lama.
Listened to Horowitz on the Tom Harkin show.....this guy is a real piece of work.
The supposed list of participating institutions includes one line for Cal Poly - Pomona, and another line for "Cal Poly College". However, there is no such thing! Both Pomona and San Louis Obispo are California State Universities, not Colleges. Nothing else comes up in the top dozen hits on google. Do they mean the College of Agriculture at one of these? I don't think so.
How valid can the list be when one of the first half dozen items doesn't even exist?
for the life of me...I can't understand why anyone would be a republican.....what has the republican party ever done for anyone?I'm not sayin abolish the party.....everyone needs to party every once and awhile.
Shared Humanity @ 39:
Aww...to hell with it....I'm signing off.
Shared Humanity @ 37:
geeez Shared....a little testy tonight huh?
I'm confident in the students of today to be open and objective.
At least the ones doing bong hits :)
revko @ 35:
Maybe they're hiding in a Trojan Horse. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts... or some shit like that. :lol:
How in the hell did that awareness site get 3 milion plus visitors???
Speech is not protected when it allegedly advocates illegal warfare. When there is no imminent threat, calls to attack pre-emptively are unlawful calls to commit war crimes. Those who ask others to commit war crimes can be prosecuted for advocating illegal warfare.
Stop debating. Let's get the war crimes prosecutions going.
Ricky Bones @ 46:
Probably click-thrus from progressive blogs asking to check out the universities. :roll:
“Islamo-Fascism"... Every time, that phrase sounds even more infantile.
“Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week”
it's just not like it use to be... ya know?
As soon as the tide of popular opinion and money shift left again so will David.....far left again.
Blue Buddha @ 45:
YIKES!!!
You posters are just great! You made me smile. Thanks. Horowitz et al are lunatics.
Horowitz is a liar and hatemonger. I checked the ENTIRE WEEK's calendar here at the University of Pennsylvania, where I am a post-doc. He is NOT NOT NOT on the calendar. Interestingly, it is Islam Awareness Week here on the Penn campus (and I imagine at other universities). This is being put on by the Muslim Students Association to talk about what Islam means to them. There are a number of interfaith dialogues and open forums scheduled for this week -- exactly the type of event that we really need in these intolerant times. We really need to reach out to each other and understand other faiths. It truly alarms and enrages me that Horowitz gets invited anywhere to speak and spread his hate. And yet, anyone trying to dialogue or debate is labeled a terrorist sympathizer. We must never forget that true fascism arose in "civilized" western/european societies - Italy, Germany, Russia, etc. The religious extremism that is brewing in the middle east and in ghetto-ized/marginalized Muslim societies in western countries is happening for a reason (and let me give you a hint - it's not world domination). Let me pose a question to my fellow C+L'ers: When the Ottoman empire existed, where were all the suicide bombers? Certainly Muslims had as much reason (if not more) to become terrorists during the height of colonialism as they do now. What is the driving force? If it was something to do with the religion itself, we would have seen Osama bin Laden's born in the 1900's, the 1910's, the 1920's, the 1930's - as European countries controlled and carved up the entire middle east, set up puppet regimes and subjugated the natural resources of these countries. In fact, there were no 9/11's, no London bombings, no Madrid bombings, no Bali bombings. The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and elsewhere did not become violent until much later. Indeed, this notion of suicide as a way of jihad is a purely modern/post-modern idea that is like a new virus unleashed upon the world. It is a doctrine that was concocted in the minds of tortured prisoners of conscience - Sayyid Qutb and other prisoners came up with the sick and twisted sanctioning of suicide (something completely alien and reviled to Muslims) - as their Egyptian jailors waterboarded and electrocuted them. We really need to take a very hard look at our policies of torture, pre-emptive war, and rendition - and the hatred that they encourage and foment in the Muslim Street. We are living in times where the stakes are high. We must ask ourselves, what kind of a world are we building for our children? Is it one where we fear our nieghbor is plotting our death because his last name is Ahmed? Or is it one where we talk to one another and get to know one another, where there is room for everyone, where we TRUST each other. Just a thought.
There are events scheduled at UC Irvine, but for the most part, I don't think much will be happening. It's difficult to argue the greatest threat is "Islamo-Fascism" when there are forest fires at your door.
David Horowitz is not coming to the University of Pennsylvania. His website is wrong/lying as expected. What a publicity whore.
I just checked the University of Delaware calendar and he is not coming there either! What a liar!
but he will be at asshole u. where they will award him with an honorary degree.
L.A. Confidential @ 15:
Up on your feet, it's time for physical jerks! You, LAC, you're not trying hard enough. Now reach, reach, reach! That's better.
Heh.
What an ass-clown.
My wife goes to UTexas, she's not aware of anything. And on the web UT website, nothing under "culture studies" category or "mental illness studies" , there's no "bullshit" category, either. Nope, nothing at UT.
Shouldn't there be a Republico-Fascism Awareness Month?
Unfortunately it is at my alma mater PSU:
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2007/10/22/student_groups_to_stage_...
Then again Slick Rick was an alum. F*cking racist liars.
Temple College Republicans invited Santorum to campus tomorrow, but to my knowledge, that is the only thing that will be happening.
There will be a Feminist Majority/College Democrats protest of his visit and supposedly, a Republican led counter-protest.
mudshark @ 41:
I've been thinking the same thing lately and I've only been able to come up with one reason. In this day and age of political correctness the only way you can express your hate is under the guise of supporting the Republican agenda. If you straight come out and say you hate gays, blacks, or people of Middle Eastern descent you're labeled a bigot. But fold it in to the the Republican thinking of stopping gay marriage or stopping terrorism then darn it you're just a good old patriotic American.
So many people in this country are filled with hatred anymore and through the Republican agenda they can not only be a bigot but be patriotic as well. Definately a win win situation for these type of people. Frankly I just don't understand hatred, life is too short to spend it with your blood pressure pegged while you rant and rave about whatever it is that you despise.
For what it's worth that's my 2 cents...
Unfortunately I can confirm (I think) that Horowitz is coming to Princeton. There have been fliers all around campus for the last week announcing his arrival. Please keep in mind though that the event is sponsored by the College Republicans. Neither the administration nor the Woodrow Wilson School see fit to bring him here, just the unfortunate young men and women who at age 19 for some reason look up to people like Rumsfeld and Santorum.
This clown should learn something about Christo-fascism. That's what's eating America.
Horowitz once spoke for the Left
And at this he was known to be deft
But then his brains turned to shite
And so he swung to the Right
Poor jerk must be feeling bereft.
No sign of Isamofascist Awareness Week here at the University of South Carolina. However, we are having Cultural Awareness Week. Amnesty International human rights film festival is here for the Cultural Awareness Week. Also, Amir Sulaiman did live poetry tonight for free at the Student Union. Quite a show.
I hear this Christo/Judeo-Fascist will be at Neil and Bob University the morning after Oral Roberts.
Hey! Horowitz
Come suck my brown muslem balls.
I teach at Bates College, and my wife teaches at Colby College - both schools are listed as participating in Horowitz's silliness, but as far as we can tell there are no events at either school that have anything to do with it. He's either a baldfaced liar or a totally incompetent campaign manager - or both.
Well, to keep everyone up to date on the weeks other important milestones, according to AmericanGreetings.com,
yesterday was Used Car Sales Day, and today is Do It Yourself Day. Both seem more important to me, somehow.
Perhaps we can send ecards to Horowitz advising him to become a do it yourself used car salesman. We'll see what
tomorrow's important date will bring...
I still think he should have waited for Halloween week, so that he and Coulter could have gone in costume.
PennQUAKEr @ 54
When the Ottoman empire existed, where were all the suicide bombers? Certainly Muslims had as much reason (if not more) to become terrorists during the height of colonialism as they do now. What is the driving force? If it was something to do with the religion itself, we would have seen Osama bin Laden’s born in the 1900’s, the 1910’s, the 1920’s, the 1930’s - as European countries controlled and carved up the entire middle east, set up puppet regimes and subjugated the natural resources of these countries.
I think there are two important factors, or drivin' forces- Wahabbism and money- or, more specifically, oil money.
It was in 1744 when Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab began to attract followers in Najd to his sect of Sunni Islam. Among those who became allies with 'Abd al-Wahhab was Muhammad bin Saud, who founded the first Saudi state in that same year.
The ensuin' 170+ years found the Sauds battlin' the Ottomans as well as other Arab chieftains fer control of the region, the Sauds employin' the righteous support of Wahabbism to justify their own cause. The Sauds, along with other Arabs lookin' to throw off the yoke of Ottoman hegemony over their lands, allied with the Brits to get the job done. We did see radical Islam employed in politics and warfare, but it was against other, more religiously tolerant Muslims. There were bin Ladens in this period, they just went unnoticed in the West.
It was only after the discovery of oil in the peninsula and Western hegemony over the oil fields that we saw Wahabbism, in it's purest, most insular form(No infidels in the Holy Land, thank you!), that Wahabbists began to take aim at the West.
He or one of his representatives is due at UCSB. Word is that its tomorrow. Haven't really seen anyone cheering up or too much advertising on it.
Hate to hit & run after that last post, but I need sleep. GNA!
I enjoyed this school on Horowitz's list:
University of Southern Indiana - South Bend
Last time I checked, the University of Southern Indiana was in Evansville, IN. And South Bend was in northern Indiana (though I hear there is another university there). I'm curious about the South Bend campus of Southern Indiana.
poor bedwetter Davey. If only the crowds were given Scaife money like him
Bates is not participating, though the College Republicans had originally planned to do so.
I'm a student at Yale. There is no such event on the Yale calendar nor have I heard anything about it on campus. Also, I notice that Yale no longer appears on the "official list" of participating schools that the article above links to.
Looks like Horror-Putz is not really going to UC Berkeley either. Too bad, the Bay Area would LOVE to hear what he has to say (snark)
http://events.berkeley.edu/index.php
robert spencer is coming to dartmouth on friday, but the general community and faculty have been alerted, and i have a feeling his welcome will be quite cool.
It truly is a strange world we live in where liberals can't understand who their real enemies are. An extremest group of terrorists hijacking a religion, subjugating their women, killing homosexuals and attempting to spread their ideology through force can't be called fascists???
I think Horowitz scares the heck out of liberals because he was once on the inside of a radical leftist movement that he finally realized was morally bankrupt, violent and Anti-American.
Islamo-Fascist week should be recognized by ALL ideologies in America, especially liberals, who used to stand up for people being brutalized by the real fascists of this world.
AndyK @ 74
There were bin Ladens in this period, they just went unnoticed in the West.
Andy, I appreciate that there certainly was aggression against the Ottoman governance from the Sauds (spurred on in no small part by the British, as you point out.) and other ethnic groups. However, I would ask you to show me anywhere in that (or any other prior) period of Muslim history where suicide/mass destruction/killing of everyone was given a stamp of approval as a legitimate method of warfare. It was not. It has never been sanctioned.
Indeed, I would submit to you that Bin Laden is not even a Wahhabi. Rather, if you examine his (and more importantly Zawahiri's) statements and positions, they actually are borrowed from Sayyid Qutb. Remember, Zawahiri is a student of Qutb and Bin Laden has co-opted their philosophy.
Throughout the ~1500 year history of Islamic jurisprudence and thought, suicide/mass destruction of innocent life was never sanctioned. It is a purely post-modern development that was born in the torture chambers of Egypt during the repressive regimes of the 1950's and onward.
I agree that the current Salafi/Wahhabi movement is a stultifying strain on the rest of Muslim culture and the world. But the real problem is more complex than simply a fundamentalist philosophy inviting people to the 70 some odd virgins or whatever. Rather, the problem is more an unhappy comlex combustion of economics, the perception of utter hopelessness, Bin Laden & co's mass marketing of their philosophy and the glorification of "taking back the Muslim lands", and strategic mistakes on our part to fan the flames.
Sadly, most tragically, the invasion of Iraq was Bin Laden's wet dream come true.
And even more sadly is that at the core, we are to blame for that. Back in 2003, I hung a Howard Dean for America sign in my window. And people thought I was nuts to support a crazy/pinko/America-hater/lefty candidate...because it was heresy to speak reasonably, to question the "conventional wisdom", to even suggest that we did not know what the hell we were doing. And yet, inexorably, we invaded. And look where we are now. And then we don't understand "why they hate us". And then we come up with things like "islamo-fascism" to blame it on.
We need to promise ourselves that we will not give in to the haters/neocons. We must not continue to make the same mistakes in dealing with the problem of Bin Laden & co.
By the way, I think it's interesting that the "islamo-fascism"(OBL) and "anti-islamo-fascism"(DH) camps have very parallel ways of thinking about their problems.
This is a typical rightwing con job.
Horowitz sold his donors on an extensive program that isn't actually happening and is pocketing the money.
Any bets?
Patriot Actor @ 44:
I'm with you!
An extremest group of terrorists hijacking a religion, subjugating their women, killing homosexuals and attempting to spread their ideology through force can’t be called fascists???
Hmm...
Let's see:
1. Hijacking christianity with their militant evangelizing, infecting the military and other branches of government: check
2. Killing homosexuals in Jesus' name: check
3. Spreading ideology by force (aka bombing abortion clinics, tearing down flags, hanging nooses on trees):check
You're absolutely right. The right wing christians are fascists by your definition.
PennQUAKEr @ 84:
PennQUAKEr.... it took you multiple paragraphs to simply say it was our (America's) fault. Why can't you hold other countries to the same standard that you hold us? I don't hate anyone and whatever you suppose we did wrong, nothing we've done justifies the violence committed in the name of extremest Islam, by the way in many countries, England, France, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, Syria, Australia, Germany, Malaysia, Philippines, Russia.... are you sensing a pattern here?
When will they stop using the "Imperialist oppression" argument as a means of justifying any violence?
PennQUAKEr @ 87:
Where are all the bombings and be-headings being performed in the name of Christianity???
Joke.
tyrone slothrop @ 77:
Yeah, Tyrone, I searched the web and couldn't find any mention of a "University of Southern Indiana - South Bend". Looks to me like, along with all the real universities that aren't holding events, Horowitz saw fit to add some universities that don't even exist. Hey, why the hell not?
BigKAD @ 83:
Um... no, because what you descibe doesn't conform to the definition of "fascist". Look up the term next time before you throw it around. Might just as well say, "An extremest group of terrorists hijacking a religion, subjugating their women, killing homosexuals and attempting to spread their ideology through force can't be called bankers???"
BigKAD @ 83:
... and spying on your own citizens, torturing, ripping apart the constitution, habeas corpus, geneva condition, promoting your warped beliefs through fear, starting unprovoked wars, sending mercenaries to kill innocent civilians, and supporting dictatorship after dictatorship is not something that is Anti-American? Maybe it's more important that the fascism that the US government is heading to should be recognized by ALL ideologies in America.
BigKAD sez
Why can’t you hold other countries to the same standard that you hold us?
Because I thought we were supposed to be better than that.
BTW is that succinct enuf for ya? Or should I use smaller werds?
PennQUAKEr @ 93:
Penne.... you're rambling thoughts a those of a mental midget. I think you might enjoy your life more and like your country more if you came to the common sense realization that we don't have to be perfect to be the best.
BigKAD @ 88:
When we stop our imperialistic tendencies...when we deal with all nations as equals, not as "third world" or "backward' tribes. When we stand up and take responsibility for the actions committed in our name. When we stop sticking our noses into every other nation's business and telling them they MUST do what we say or else. When we stop invading countries and occupying them illegally.
Or is that too difficult for you to understand?
BigKAD @ 83:
Actually, I guess you've missed this thread Rep. Dana Rohrbacher, Torture Apologist Extraordinaire about the US govt's fascistic seizure and rendition of a Canadian citizen.
Or perhaps you've missed the erosion of our constitutional rights, including suspension of Habeas, the existence of Gitmo, and a host of other unforgivable fascistic, internationally illegal, cruel and inhumane activities CheneyBushCo have been indulging in throughout the world.
The question That should be posited here is "Why can’t YOU hold the US to the same standard that you other countries?"
Progressives understand exactly who their enemy is-it's the people in this country who hold attitudes like yours. We arereal fascists of this world, brutalizing all and sundry who disagree with us. We ARE standing up for them.
PS Horowitz is a grade A fucking moron, as is anyone who thinks he has salient points.
Just to clarify, I think that we must hold ourselves to entirely higher standards. If we consider ourselves to be the new "policman of the world" to borrow a Roosevelt-ian notion, then yes, we must. Or we're just another crooked cop.
To BigKAD:
Take a look at the Dana Rohrabacher video posted on this site. It made me throw up. This is what we have reduced ourselves to. And in doing so, we give victory to the terrorists because we let them change the "way we do business". We let them manipulate us.
I think no one can deny the fact that by invading Iraq, we have created a terrorist haven. There have been numerous intelligence reports and think-tank papers confirming this. So yes, BigKAD we ARE to blame. We are to blame because we did not call our congressperson to vote against authorizing the invasion. We are to blame because we did not get enough people to not vote for Bush for a second time. We are to blame for not bringing to justice all those involved in Abu Ghraib and making an example of them. Need I go on? Do YOU see a pattern here???
So instead of feeling sorry for yourself that we were attacked, BigKAD, why don't you have the cojones to admit that we made some major errors in dealing with the 9/11 aftermath (which was my original point).
(Is this too many paragraphs? Sorry for trying to get you to think.)
DrBadger @ 92:
Common Badger... these accusations are delusional. And we support dictatorships when it's the lesser of two evils, like as opposed to an insane Islamic regime... How about all of those utopian socialist havens throughout history, Cuba, China, USSR... millions dead by the hands of the "enlightened".
I'm not sure, but UC Berkeley may have had one of these events. Sort of. Far from being "the biggest conservative campus protest ever", it consisted of — at most — two to four people in the area right behind Sather Gate where random lunatics traditionally congregate, holding big signs saying things like "ISLAM ABUSES WOMEN" and "PEDOPHILIA — POLYGAMY — WIFE BEATING". They were there for about three hours, during which they were surrounded by twenty to thirty students, with whom they were arguing (apparently without much success). I briefly considered taking part, but didn't have a whole lot of spare time.
Again, I don't know if this was part of "Islamofascism Awareness Week" or if it was just some random lunatics.
BigKAD@94
I think you might enjoy your life more and like your country more if you came to the common sense realization that we don’t have to be perfect to be the best.
What kind of ideal is that? The least common denominator notion of America?? Listen up BigKAD, you might enjoy your life more and like your country more if you came to the common sense realization that America can be better -- Better than torturing its prisoners. Better than rendition. Better than holding people in jails without charges for years. Better than pre-emptive war. Better than injustice. Better than silence and secrets. No, America doesn't have to be "perfect" to be the best. It just has to show that it gives a damn and tries to live up to its ideals.
So instead of waving your flag and wearing your little lapel pin, why don't you read a little more about history and politics and other grown up stuff so you can have a more intelligent discussion.
PennQUAKEr @ 97:
Your so-called "pattern" is worthless blather... what you call an invasion, I call a liberation. If you knew any Iraqi Americans like I do who lived under Sadaam, then you would not call us invaders. [Deleted. BigKAD. There is no proof that Iraq and 9/11 are linked. That particular extremely offensive pantload won't be allowed to stand-Sitemonitor]
I'm always willing to admit we made mistakes genius, like I said, we are not perfect, but still the greatest. No war or occupation is perfect, but I'd trust our military and their efforts, and their mistakes, [Deleted. Abusive to most of the people who frequent this site].
You are the prime example why my views have evolved over time from arrogant, liberal America Hater to proud conservative American. It's because when I thought I was a liberal, I thought we stood "with the people". Studying history as I've done has opened my eyes to the terrible consequences of socialism and liberalism... millions dead, freedoms lost, misery spread equally.
[You are welcome to post opposing views here, but abusiveness and flamebaiting will be deleted. This is not a dialog. Move on-Sitemonitor]
Nothing happening at Stanford according to the calendar as well as the stanford republicans web site. Horowitz's PR is much like his entire raison d'etre: so much vapor, so little factual content.
Time will tell. Whorewitz will probably be back as a liberal.
He has to pay the bills.
The cash from GOP coeds today is as light as their activism.
More flash mortars & strobe lights & feedback Dave.
Less Bush.
He's a bummer.
So is all that terrorist crap.
Beirut. WTC 1993. WTC 2001.
Get used to the Saudis & the rest of Bush's buddies.
Perhaps he should have booked his speeches to be delivered in daycare centers. That would be more in keeping with Conservative Republican desires.
The lovely and charming (calm down people, its sarcasm) Daniel Pipes is scheduled to make a speech here at Tufts University today.
These people are revolting.
BigKad @ 101
Your so-called “pattern” is worthless blather… what you call an invasion, I call a liberation.
I see, so now it's time for you to bring out the Fox News/Republican party talking points. Instead of hiding behind worthless words like "we are not perfect, but still the greatest," why don't you examine the facts? Let me lay out a few things for you to ponder...
1. Iraq was never linked with Al-Qaeda prior to our invasion
2. We invaded Iraq on the premise that they were behind 9/11 and had WMD
3. Both of those premises were entirely FALSE and we KNEW THAT BEFORE WE WENT IT
4. Our Generals tell us that we cannot win militarily in Iraq
5. We have killed over 80,000++ innocent civilians in the war during our "liberation"
And who cares how many Iraqis you know. The same could be said of countless other nations that need "liberating". Ever hear of a place called Burma? Or maybe you heard of Tibet? Or how about any number of dictator-run African nations? The fact is that we went into Iraq based on lies to serve our purposes. It just happened to be a place with a dictator that everyone hated and was on a first name basis with (Saddam was a household name. Just imagine how tough it would be to market a war against a guy named Soe Win).
What history books are you reading? Other than your sheer arrogance, what makes you so sure of America's "greatness"?
Make no mistake BigKAD, I love America (probably a lot more than you). That's why I ask the questions I ask and make the statements I make. Someone needs to defend the Constitution. So while you are too busy simply declaring America's greatness, others of us understand that it is only great because WE THE PEOPLE make sure it is living up to its ideals.
If you wanted ONE thing - that perfectly encapsulated the remarkably skewed, unnatural and twisted thinking of the right - how far removed from reality they are -- this could be it.
A single term to describe them could be "bat-shit crazy"
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I am a University of Texas at Austin alum. I'm proud to say that I went to one of the more progressive schools in Texas. I know that for many people that doesn't mean much, but UT is really on the cutting edge of a lot of progressive issues.
I am proud to say that I looked all over the University of Texas websites and events calendars and I am pretty sure Horowitz lied about his trip down to Texas. I am glad truely believe that the University of Texas would not allow such blatant racism.
God Bless Texas.
Correction: I'm an ashamed English major... the last sentence = I am glad, and truly believe, that the University of Texas would not allow such blatant racism.
God Bless Texas...again.
I can confirm that Horowitz did speak at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. We're all about free speech, whether we think the guy is an idiot or not. (And believe me, we think he's an idiot.)
as far as i can tell, Horowitz is not scheduled to speak at Brown University.
I do note, interestingly enough, that the image used at the top of this C&L post appears to be from when Horowitz spoke on campus in 2003 (http://www.brown.edu/Students/Brown_College_Republicans/horowitzphotos.htm)
He's definitely coming to columbia on friday, nicely complementing our current record of Fox-news-worthy speakers.
(http://www.bwog.net/articles/as_if_they_needed_more_publicity)
Here at Bob's Academy of Design and Cosmetology we decided NOT to cancel the monster truck show for this event.
Hey, the guy's parents were old-line Stalinist, when he was editor of Ramparts magazine in the '60s he was strident and more Stalinist than most -- when Warren Hinkle and Robert Scheer were involved, it was a groundbreaking magazine. When Horowitz came in, it was miltant, mechanical, and, well, Stalinist. Before, the Panthers were covered as news. Under Horowitz, they were covered as the most militant and admirable members of The Movement. He seems to like having his brain washed.
And now that he's turned right, of course, he's proving he can be further right than anyone else, the absolute model of the Soviet Conservative. He acts the same way the Stalinists do: by smear, guilt by associations, and ideologically-blinkered thinking. Doubleplusungood, Comrade Horowitz. Please report to Minilove.
I can't wait for Islamo-Fascism: The Motion Picture.
What the hell is islamo-facism anyway? Aren't the two contradictary? Kinda like bubbly-cheney
Horowitz is a nut case who shouldn't be allowed near any campus. Perhaps we should be talking about the Christian fascists in our own country.
Maybe while at one of these schools someone can take him to the library to define Fascism. I first heard the term being thrown around by the idiot in chief around the time he declared himself the Decider.
That I can understand, considering the source it is amazing he can speak at all.
Any university that allows a public forum to denounce "Islamo-Fascism" is embracing a hate ideology that does not even understand what Fascism is. They started trowing around this term as a form of name calling, like dead ender. Now this clown is going around announcing to world he has no clue what the fuck he is talking about, at universities, that are welcoming him !??!?
BigKAD @ 83:
You are the real enemy pal. you and your ilk is what is wrong with my country. you are a gulliable ignorant coward.
I am unable to confirm that David Horowitz is coming to Washington University in St. Louis. His previous appearances have been announced on their web site, but nothing doing this time around. Someone is a naughty liar douche-boy, David. The College 'Pubes have leaflets, but that seems hardly to be the same thing, eh?
Horowitz is a rube, a nob and a tool. And he seems to like bottled water.
HJ
Picking the week California burned to the ground is not the best of timing.
Michael @ 108:
I took my Ph.D. at UTexas and I am very glad to hear that such an event is not happening. Though one never knows what will be going on around the Tower at noon. And what you say about UT is true. It is an outstanding university (of course I have a bias here).
And unlike University of Southern Indiana-South Bend, there really is a UT-Austin.
required college reading to understand the push for war with Iran and neoconservative saber rattling
Confirmed speaking engagement here at Emory, that is, David Horrorwitz.
Don't let these guys fool you.
They don't care about fascism and opposing it at all.
They only hate the "Islamo" part.
The "Islamo-Fascists" were just peachy-keen with them when Reagan was hiring the very same terrorist fundamentalist drug-running gangsters to fight the secular Afghan government in the name of fighting "the Russians".
So these guys ARE NOT opposed to fascism and its heirs -- just the "Islamos" which are their current excuse to attack liberalism and its freedom and democracy.
[I told you I,as Sitemonitor, wasn't starting a dialog-over my admonition. I told you we welcome opposing views here. Yet you seem to have missed those points. And twisted what's going on here. You have been allowed to post here several times.
We really don't have time to come back to the same posters to explain the commenting policy (which is available to you via link on the main page), over and over again. Since you find a few simple rules impossible to follow, I have to ban you. Start your own Utopian blog -Sitemonitor]
If you ever want proof of the bankruptcy of the right-wing ideology, here it is. Horowitz is a huckster. Like sooo many on the right(Fats Limbaugh, Coulter, Beck, ad nauseum..) its about their income not ideology. Horowitz is a fund raising machine, the object being fatten the Horowitz family larder.
The point is, there is no counterpoint to the mass of grifters the right has in the progressive movement.
Horowitz really does need to learn how these "designate a period of time for a cause" things work.
Here's a clue: the LONGER the time designated, the LESS importance is attached to it. That's why we have a President's DAY, but a Black History MONTH, and a YEAR of the Woman.
(I don't agree with this prioritization of importance, BTW, but that's my observation of the way these designations work, and how the public receives them)
So, since 9/11 occurred in 2001, the first year of the new millenium, it should be "Islamofacism Awareness MILLENIUM".
Or maybe "David Horowitz Ego FEMTOSECOND". At least it would be over quickly.
BigKAD @ 126:
A dialog does not involve taunting, calling your adversary names, or impugning his patriotism...all of which you have done in this one comment. Go back to your mother's basement, put your head under the covers, and tremble in the false fear that the "terrurists" are gonna get you. Trust me, friend, you have more to fear from your current government than you do from a few disorganized criminals thousands of miles from your bedroom.
My mother works at Dartmouth and told me that some of the posters were seen by Muslim students and the admin in the Diversity Office were going to make a big stink about it, but the students said they didn't want any publicity at all, either for them or for Horowitz and Robert Spencer.
I think the attitude is let the hate parade die a slow, lonely death.
BigKAD @ 98:
Sorry, anyone who doesn't think our government isn't restricting our rights and ignoring the constitution is delusional.
We supported the Iranian Shah versus a democratically elected secular president in the 1950's, which indirectly lead to the Islamic revolution. We supported bin Laden and the Taliban. We supported Saddam. We're still supporting the Saudi's (i.e. insane Islamic regime). I was never defending communist countries, I'm saying we're using the same "enlightened" techniques they use.
man, i'm bad at using quotes
[I fixed it-Sitemonitor]
So how will this week of 'awareness' end?
Will it be marked by burning crescents whilst clothed in flamboyant attire, that includes pointy hats?
The fictitious venues for the Islamo Poopy Pants week should come as no surprise, seeing as these bunch of liars actually admit to being liars, and then go onto rationalising their lies.
Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception
http://www.alternet.org/story/15935?page=1
Thanks for linking the list. Our marketing director is investigating these claims, and whatever he finds out about student organizations, Emporia State University is not OFFICIALLY sponsoring anything. That's not how most campuses work.
BigKAD @ 126:
How many people are in there with you? Are they just voices, or do you have visual hallucinations as well?
I can't believe he's not coming down to LSU!
This area is already rife with racism.
Time to celebrate Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week! Run for your lives!
At least he's ambitious. What public speaker wants to initiate discussion on Ameri-Fascist week?
I can't believe we have to keep explaining that fascism is an extreme form of conservativism with a blurrring of corporate and government interests, with the nationalism and militarism. Theocracy is the setting up a religious state, and we have some of these here in the Dominionist and Christian Supremacist movements. Communism is an extreme from of liberalism, so extreme it can almost blur into fascism with the exception that instead of blurring the interests of government and corporations, there are no corporations, and government officials make all economic decisions.
Before you can defeat an enemy you have to label or define them properly. You don't treat a cold with Pepto Bismol.
Additionally, conservatives don't just think liberals are wrong, they accuse liberals of being anti-patriotic, anti-family, anti-values, want terrorists to win, part of the hate American (or blame America first) crowd, going to a hell that some conservatives believe in literally.
What upsets conservatives is when liberal refuse to act spineless like Queen Nancy and Princess Harr(iett) Reid.
BigKAD @ 126:
Spoken like an Is Lame-o Fascist
"University of Arkansas"
Which one is that? Damn near every big city in Arkansas has a "University of Arkansas, " so which one could Mr. Batshit-crazy be talking about?
I'm at Washington State; the dim bulbs in the "College Republicans" received their marching orders from Horowitz, I'm sure, but all they've managed to do is schedule a showing of the film Obsession (showing "the dangers of radical Islam . . . that the media doesn't often allow people to see.") If you want to see what smart people here at WSU are saying, here's a letter from a graduate student: http://www.dailyevergreen.com/story/23747 . It all seems to be a hot air and posturing, really. If the Republicans knew what bozos these "College Republicans" are, they'd dissolve the chapter.
I contacted my school's office of the President and they've said that they have no connection with this thing, but strangely Gettysburg College is listed on their list of school participating. Interesting. I would think they'd want their name off that list as quickly as possible. Maybe they're working on it as we speak.
Actually I would have loved to have him at my college (when I went to college) so I could heckle his ass and boo him off the stage!
somehow lost this link last time
Contrary to what the website says, the University of Pennsylvania will not be
hosting Horowitz's events. Penn's MSA and other organizations have had long
discussions with the College Republican group on campus which was supposed to
co-host IFAW. IFAW by the way, coincides with Islam Awareness Week...
...coincendence? I think not.
Here is wisdom: knowing when to give up and walk away from a discussion with someone whose ideas do no meet rational and logical lines of thinking and who has little or no chance of seeing a different viewpoint and also uses circular logic to attempt to give themselves credence.
Horowitz is a very smart, very deliberate liar. I just viewed that Larry King and feel a little queasy for watching it. He backs Coulter's vicious attacks on the 9/11 widows -- personal attacks, mind you, not attacks on their reasoning -- because, he says she wasn't allowed to attack them. Hmmm, let me see, I'm making millions on a book telling people that I'm not allowed to tell them what I'm telling them?
He knows the absurdity of the position, but he spews it because he also knows that there are a lot of people in this country who will buy it. Just as they buy Gitmo. Just as the buy domestic spying ("Well, I don't have anything to hide so come on in with your cameras and wiretaps" sort of thing.
Same here: he's lying about this campus crusade, but lying is a tactical choice and he does it because he assumes that a lot of people -- the 24 percenters, for starters -- will believe him regardless of evidence to the contrary.
Everything Horowitz and Coulter say is intended to push us that much closer to a totalitarian, corporate fascist state. Yes, I said everything they say. The two of them and their legion of fans and allies would not raise an eyebrow if everyone posting on this site were grabbed from their beds in the still of the night and spirited off to secret prisons never to be heard from again. I have absolutely no doubt about that.
But Speaker Pelosi attacks Pete Stark. We lack leaders and we're all going to suffer because of it.
I am relieved to report that there are no "Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week" events scheduled at the University of Alabama. Nothing on the events calendar, and no one in the president's office or student affairs office has heard of it. It is possible there is some sort of observation at one of the other campuses in Birmingham or Huntsville, but nothing at the main campus in Tuscaloosa.
ysbaddaden @ 139:
Hey, man, Reid is a spineless wimp. Don't insult half the planet by suggesting that that makes him a woman. ;-)
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