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By bluegal Wednesday Oct 31, 2007 10:30pm
Rockridge Nation: We Owe Our Veterans Health Care.
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I agree, but we owe all of us healthcare.
And we owe this administration early retirement in Club Fed!
We owe our soldiers healthcare.. no doubt. And we owe our flag and the constitution the fight that our founders gave for it. I hope the people at C&L are up for it, because few others are taking it on. Let's do something in our generation. Let's throw the bums out as they say. And stand up for something more American. Peace.
Ex-Saudi ambassador: Kingdom could have helped U.S. prevent 9/11
Headline aside, this type of lazy reporting pisses me off:
The September 11 attacks killed nearly 3,000 people in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.
The Pentagaon is in Arlington VIRGINIA. Not in Washington (D.C.). I guess the MSM thinks that saying the attack was on Washington makes it that much more dramatic. Get it right, jackasses.
ldzppln @ 4:
The Pentagon may be across the river but it may as well be DC. (In fact it once was, but Virginia took the land back.)
ldzppln @ 4:
Thats like saying the attack was in Manhatten NOT New York City. Sheesh.
xoites defends Constitution @ 5:
But it's NOT in D.C. It is in Virginia, right next to the Arlington National Cemetary, which by the way, is also in Virginia. Virginia, Virginia, Virginia. Not Washington D.C. - lol. If the planes had hit buildings in New Jersey and the MSM called it New York, would that be okay, because NJ is "across the river"?
"So! Have you readied the attack plans on America?"
"Yes! We are attacking Arlington!'
Guards! Shoot this imbecile!"
The Pentagon is part of the Federal Government. It pays no taxes to Virginia. In fact portions of Virginia are actually in DC County (for instance Lorton Penitentary in Lorton, VA which is a lot farther away.) It would not suprise me a bit if the Pentagon actually was a part of DC by law, if not by geography. I know, it makes little sense. Welcome to America.
I appreciate you holding the press accountable.
xoites defends Constitution @ 9:
Lorton was shut down a few years back. I take route 123 through Lorton on my way to 95 South on occasion. They're developing the land now - single family homes, townhouses, etc. They still have the gaurd towers up though - lol.
ldzppln @ 11:
I am very happy to hear that. Best news i have had all day. :)
You don't commute south on 95 in the evenings do you?
If you do, i will stop arguing with you. You suffer enough as it is.
xoites defends Constitution @ 13:
No, just when we're heading out of town every so often. It used to take 2 hours to get from Northern Virginia (Fairfax) to Richmond. Now it takes 2 hours to get from Northern Virginia to Woodbridge. Bleah.
There are easily a thousand words in that picture...
As we now peer over the congregation of the dead
Let us walk reverently past Potter’s Field;
Dim all the lights `round Liberty’s crown,
Fade then upon the Unknown Soldier.
Let us anon shine our light upon nameless patriots!
For to remember the sacrifice, the blood,
We mustn’t destroy; infest with agony
The shadow of a world ready of love.
For they arranged a sea that has lost its mariner
And their nobility granted us with mighty oar
Which we’ve cuffed upon the world
Encased by grave at torment’s door.
If any look upon us, asking why we kneeled down,
Can we not say we acted with all our power
To rid us this murderer of countless man
Whose sword slaughters from within?
thepoetryman @ 15:
You know what to do with them...
Ok, i stand uncorrected.
The tightening stroke.
Patrolling the wounded ground.
The shattered glass.
Instability in central parts.
Eerily forsaken streets of Baghdad.
Awkward moment.
Start again.
Green Zone in desert sun.
Firearms lifeless seize.
Why am I here?
Why war?
Why couldn’t it be peace?
Awkward moment.
Start again.
Infection of brutality.
First we murdered their children,
Now they carry death
Wrapped in shrapnel.
Awkward moment.
Start again.
Perhaps I will hug my mother.
Will yearning yearn?
Will hope be hopeful?
Will carnage turn inward?
Will the power of the sun arise?
Will the sway of good prevail?
Will the soul of man avoid its own demise?
Awkward moment.
Start again.
Tightening eyes.
Moving toward upon wounded ground.
A distant explosion.
It would be easy to turn and run.
But why am I so damned afraid?
Because they are Iraqi?
Brown skin and eyes?
I will stay and greet them.
Will they wave and smile at me?
Will evil have my face?
xoites,
Thank you my friend...
Peace.
xoites,
"uncorrected"! Ha!
George Bush fought valiantly in Viet Nam. Dick Cheney stormed the beaches at Normandy. Donald Rumsfeldt was a hero in Korea. Rush Limbaugh was the star of Basic Training. Give me a break.
Draped with ooze and flag and grief
The Usurper poses with glee unsheathed
Looking proudly as he cackles
Enough to raise the mass’s hackles
He won’t abide tales of woe
“There’s bucks to make!
My coffers need bulge!”
Has there ever been one so low?
Who’d go to such lengths to make
Even the mildest want to dislodge
His evil grip on the end of us all?
Frontline (PBS.org): Showdown With Iran
As the United States and Iran are locked in a battle for power and influence across the Middle East -- with the fear of an Iranian nuclear weapon looming in the background -- FRONTLINE gains unprecedented access to Iranian hard-liners shaping government policy.
Slant drilling at the kuwait-iraq border angered saddam enough to invade kuwait. i could not understand why a liberal like steven solarz voted to support the first iraq war until i saw that his payoff was a director gig at the oil drilling company. check it out.
That stalwart defender of American justice, law, and order, the Bush DOJ, has finally put it's priorities in order, and is investigating whether Clinton 'Coerced campaign contributions'.
Hint to Hillary: If you get any checks signed 'Swift Boat As**oles', return them.
And quit twisting the arms of fat wimp f**ks like Rove for money, and demanding 'immunization' fees from The Dummy and DickHead to protect them from impeachment.
We owe, we owe
'Cause off to war we go
I heard a report yesterday - can't remember where, but NOT Faux News OR any of the "Usual Suspects" talking heads --- that 51% of Americans support bombing Iran.
I feel like I've been kicked in the stomach - anyone else hearing these numbers?
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We owe our veterans, our children, and all the rest of us immediate mental health care for our appointed president. That emergency-room dispensed Thorazine has not been effective for some time on his malignant narcissism, and a back-alley lobotomy may not eliminate his victory-syndrome megalomania.
Once he's cured of those, and his deluded 'God'-speak disorder, we can impeach and have him hung without remorse. (Think how happy Laura will be to find out her husband has been hung, she may give up her virginity).
that health care for veterans must be a plot to socialize medicine. we can't take care of those troops unless it's with an exclusive, no-bid contract, payable to friends-of-booschainey.
poetryman and xoites,
thanks to you both for your words.
preacher,
It's amazing how we care for no one in this country, now that PNAC rules.
thank you all.
Trittydi @ 28:
No, haven't heard those numbers, but it does not surprise. The 'dumbing-down' of the US populace has been under way for 6+ years. The problem is, the Iranians are a proud people, if we attack 'pre-emptively', they're not just gonna lie down and die. They're gonna 'DO' something. And so will their friends. And our 51% bombing supporters are gonna regret their impulse, those that survive.
every picture
tells a story donut
heh...
What happened to the War Criminal Tony Blair, he seems to have completely disappeared from the radar?
Preacher Boob @ 32:
The poll numbers are a lie. Faux or any of the corporate media wouldn't dare tell us that only 20% of the nation is in favor of bombing Iran.
Christmas is just around the bend and who better than another bogeyman, Middle Eastern, Oil rich nation to allow America to get its crucifixion on?
Many diplomats are incensed following a U.S. State Department decision last week to identify "prime candidates" who may have to accept compulsory one-year tours in Iraq or risk losing their jobs. In her first public comments on the staffing directive, Rice conceded it was a "sensitive issue" but said people must serve where they were needed and Iraq was a priority.
So when are you gonna suit up and fight, Condy? Hell, you don't have to serve. Just quit your job and take over for them.
Oh, and more
E. Coli.
Trittydi, thepoetryman is correct. The poll numbers are a lie. It's because of the WAY the question was framed. It was framed like "Do you support bombing Iran to prevent the from getting The Bomb", not "Do you support bombing Iran".
bushco does not support any of our troops. they make false promises of bonus
for signing and college tuition. then when the troop is just about to fulfill their part
of the contract, bushco falsely creates a charge against the troop and disqualifies
the troop, so they do not receive any of the contracted perks promised.
also, since bush/cheney do not think waterboarding is torture, then they should
not be adversed to experiencing this little jesture of affection themselves.
i vote we demand bush and cheney to a public demonstration on themselves of
waterboarding and any other form of information retrieval they do not acknowledge
as torture. we certainly would not like to deprive them these pleasures they promote.
The Aftermath of Bush's WWIII
It'll take nature some time, after The Dummy's crime,
To return this earth to it's intended grace
With a place for all, and all in it's place
To put the ozone back, replace each tree
Tear up all the concrete, remove each flattened city
Clean up the water, soil and airs
Return all the animals to their lairs
Relegate Homo Sapiens to the distant past
Admonish the apes not to mutate so fast
Or perhaps transmute us just once more
And we'll be surprised at what's in store
A healthy green earth, clear deep blue seas
Happy animals and fishes, birds singing in trees
And the only thing they'll know of human beans
Is they taste good mixed with other greens
Especially if you pick 'em fresh off the vine
And follow 'em with a sip of blueberry wine
Preacher Boob @ 26:
An old "news alert" that Fox Noise has been pushing & shoving for days since it appeared in the always-neutral LA Times. Now they have HuffPo helping to sell it as big font headliner "NEWS."
Meanwhile, where's the coverage (MSM or otherwise) of Duncan Hunter's thoroughly repugnant suggested use for the "wounded warriors?" Instead of giving them their promised healthcare & a decent life after serving their country, he wants to send them to "work" at the US Embassy in Baghdad. Hunter said "nellies" wouldn't do it so why not send our wounded troops back over there? What's a "nellie?"
Unbelievable! The most despicable "idea" that didn't come from Mr. Rudy 9/11 yet there's virtually no coverage of it. Too busy carrying water for Fox Noise about a few Chinese people giving a few bucks to a campaign which flagged some of it & returned it on their own. Is DoJ investigating all Chinese surnamed donors to all candidates now? How about the candidates who got cash from Hsu but still haven't returned it? Or all candidates' donors whom the DoJ deems too poor-sounding to be donating cash to political candidates?
Iraqis who are providing assistance to our troops were profiled
by American Airlines.
Single payer heath care. The government does it better then business does.
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Mike Mid City @ 42:
Up here in government run health care land, some veterans are being sacrificed on the military industrial altar:
Preacher Boob @ 32:
The MSM predictably isn't talking about the real and potentially devastating repercussions bombing Iran would have.
If they were - you'd think the predictions on the price of oil and gas ALONE would concern even the simplest minded of the US populace.
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Just made a short commentary video asking if people really understand what supporting the troops means:
What Is Supporting The Troops?
Tequila @ 36:
Boycott Totinos and Jeno's.
We need the corporations to start seeing some real consequences about these (especially) health related recalls.
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Tequila @ 41:
This gives new meaning to the acronym FAA.
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I've got a couple of photoshoped photos up. Foxy Browndoleezza & Limbaugh as Georing. Take a look, let me know what you think. http://purple-patriot.blogspot.com/
Orangutan. @ 3:
Hear, hear! Let's Restore the Revolution!
Consider the stunning eloquence of our country's founding document:
We hold these truths to be self-evident,
---that all men are created equal,
---that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
------that among these are
---------Life,
---------Liberty,
---------and the pursuit of Happiness.
---That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,
------deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
Need we really any more to explain the just functions of government? To interpret and construe the Constitution? How have we forgotten these once self-evident truths?
Imagine a movement -- possibly a new party -- dedicated to the principles on which our country was founded, whose platform first and foremost declared:
Doesn't our founding document provide us the rhetorical ammunition to make our Constitution work again?
What are the "high crimes and misdemeanors" for which a president should/must be impeached? How could they not be the grievances leveled in the Declaration against King George (and many of which George the current is guilty)?
What are the Ninth Amendment's "rights retained by the people" not enumerated in the Constitution? How could they not include the pursuit of happiness enumerated in the Declaration?
What are the Tenth Amendment's "powers reserved to the states" not delegated to the federal government? How could they not be limited only to securing the equal rights and liberties of their residents?
What is my right to vote? If governments derive their "just powers from the consent of the governed," how could my right to vote not be my right to transfer, consensually, the equal portion of lawmaking power otherwise reserved to me to a representative of my choice?
Yes, let's do something great in our generation. Let's make these principles reality. Let's remember these once-self evident truths. Let's forge a movement to Restore the Revolution!
You know what's interesting?
DEMOCRAT VOTING STRONGHOLDS HAVE THE LOWEST ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT IN THE MODERNIZED WORLD.
What does that say about Democrat voters? I know you people won't be able to figure it out, so let me spell it out for you in language a fraction of you may understand:
DEMOCRAT VOTERS ARE IDIOTS!
Have a nice day, idiots!
Hey there little red Karen Hughes
You sure are looking like a tool
You're everything, a big bad Bush could want
(if you don't get what I'm parodying, see Sam the Sham: Little Red Riding Hood)
scubaboy @ 51:
You know? I really do find this interesting.
Could you elaborate for me?
Could you tell me how "academic achievement" was measured?
Could you tell me which "Democratic strongholds" were examined when measuring that academic achievement?
Could you cite for me the study that demonstrated the measurements? Do you have a link?
I'm not knocking you. And I'm not being sarcastic. I would like to see the evidence. I do find it interesting.
ldzppln @ 14:
I feel your pain. There were days when the mixing bowl traffic backups were so bad it would take just an hour to get to I-95 from Fairfax (4 exits). This is normally Friday night and Saturday morning traffic from city escapists and IKEA shopers. The DC area is only ever going to get worse. There is no amount of road building that will ever be able to cope with the car traffic, and nobody (except for those in DC) want to spend any money on a true mass transit system that would alleviate the pain.
On the topic of health care for veterans, I think Sean Hammity says it best. "They signed up for this, they wanted this". So taking that to it's illogical end, the injured troops knew the risks and actually wanted to get injured and have their lives destroyed. You can liken them to cigarette smokers or drug addicts. They know their actions will have devastating effects on their long term health and make voluntary decisions to engage in dangerous activity anyway. Besides, you can't expect to GIVE health care to people just because they used their lives and bodies to protect the US. HA. We only GIVE health care to the thieves that are stealing this country blind. They are the wealthy elite who, even though they could afford to pay for their own health care, need to be protected at all costs. Soldiers are just common tank fodder.
i've spent most of my life around the military and its health care system. After a while, just about every veteran and their dependants come to the same conclusion: When you apply for Veterans health care don't count on getting it. If you do get it, it more than likely be a lot less than what you were hoping for.
Karen @ 53:
Please don't feed the trolls....
Democrats and republicans are like two crime families, does it really make a big difference which one is at power?
scubaboy @ 51:
Maybe you haven't noticed but those Democratic strongholds also contain many of the nation's top Ivy league universities. Still other Democratic strongholds hold many health care and technology based universities that lead the pack in their fields (I.E. John's Hopkins and MIT just to name a couple). If those Democratic strongholds have the lowest academic achievements in the modernized world as you claim then the Republican strongholds must rank along with the likes of many third world or underdeveloped countries.
Dr. Who @ 56:
Awww, come on. :) I mean, I actually would like to see the report from which Troll Scubaboy got his information. Just think . . . if the report exists, it'd likely be great fodder for C&L's front page.
Or hey, maybe there is some weirdly valid statistic out there. I wouldn't mind seeing it.
Then again, our little scubaboy might just be making things up. It's been a few hours since I responded to him, and have heard nothing thereafter but chirping crickets, and they speak volumes.
Feeding trolls isn't necessarily unproductive, in my less-than-humble opinion. ;)
Thinkprogress has an excellent recent clip of Senator Kennedy announcing why he will oppose Mukasey.
Apparently the Senator is going to introduce a bill to require that all gov't interrogations are run according to the Army field manual's guidelines (which bar all these vicious techniques). He also said that Feinstain will be a co-sponsor, so maybe she will vote against Mukasey as well -- though that is probably just a set up for another of her reliable slaps in the face.
Joe O. @ 58:
:) You picked up on the truth hidden within scubaboy's endearing message to us: The Republican strongholds are not part of the modernized world.
thepoetryman @ 15:
I don't know. The flag has lost most of its meaning to me since the conscum of this country has diluted it with their constant bullshit. I can't salute the flag anymore without being reminded of the shit they've dragged this country into.
Joe O. @ 58:
This factoid is an artifact of the fact that the coastal cities, where most of our population lives, are generally Democratic majorities. So the data is skewed by population.
Those who spread fallacies, and think themselves smart, are known as "Republicans." You may have heard of them. Most people nowadays dimly recall the scandals that wrecked that party and caused the biggest shift between the two major parties in history, away from the no-responsibility Rapepublican Disaster Party (RDP).
Zenrage @ 62 "I can't salute the flag anymore without being reminded of the shit they've dragged this country into."
Takes a lot of soap to get the flag clean, but a good cloth flag can survive decades of laundering. The colors fade some, but the flag continues to be beautiful.
Tattered flags, on the other hand, should be burned.
We're going to need a legion of willing Betsy Ross' to retat our nation, but the flag just needs JUSTICE. Unlike the bloodthirsty vampires in the White Cave, the American flag has a justice interest, a Constitutional justice interest.
Eighty percent of Mexico is underwater. It looks like the Katrina disaster. People are swimming in water, homes are underwater and people are on roofs waiting for help.
They need addition help.
The Reality @ 57:
It matters. Dems aren't even close to the repugs warmongering, stealing, lying, big business interest, sexual deviants, arrogance and the lack of common sense.
repugs are like taking a shower without water
Trying to get my hopes up for the Mukasey block, but Schumer is the weak link, and I think he's already gone over on this vote.
If anyone has political energy to call his office and email him, I'd highly recommend it.
Daily Reading pt 1...
Western Canada's Glaciers Hit 7,000-Year Low: This is not good. - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071030092705.htm
Tree stumps at the feet of Western Canadian glaciers are providing new insights into the accelerated rates at which the rivers of ice have been shrinking due to human-aided global warming.Geologist Johannes Koch of The College of Wooster found the deceptively fresh and intact tree stumps beside the retreating glaciers of Garibaldi Provincial Park. What he wanted to know was how long ago the glaciers made their first forays into a long-lost forest to kill the trees and bury them under ice.
The world's largest store of fresh water is running out....if you thought Oil wars were bad...wait until the most precious resource to life (yes even more than oxygen...not all life needs oxygen to sustain itself...but water is essential) is fought over....
In a 'ownership society' those who have the water...will rule the roost...the haves and have nots...won't be a question anymore...water rations will be light weight compared to what comes after...
Orme, Tennessee (about 40 miles west of Chattanooga and 150 miles northwest of Atlanta) has run out of water. So is global warming real enough yet?
- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_on_re_us/town_without_water;_ylt=...
China birth defects soar due to pollution -- report - http://uk.reuters.com/article/homepageCrisis/idUKPEK155250._CH_.24202007...
Yep...deniers are without a doubt the dumbest (insert words here) on the planet...everyday their evil driven stupidity is put on full display
California Statewide Poll: Voters Overwhelmingly Reject Electoral Power Grab Initiative - http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2007/10/california_stat_19.html
Again...to those undecided...why do you even wake up in the morning/afternoon/whenever???
Foreclosure filings soar in 3rd quarter - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_on_bi_ge/foreclosure_rates_4
Zogby Poll: Al Gore Leads Top Tier Dems in 'Blind Bio' Poll; So maybe it's not over? - http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1383
If he doesn't run...its going to really suck...but I hope he won't be too far away from influencing leglislation, that can't be left up to corporations & profit before earth destruction lackeys in D.C.
Esquire looks at Dennis Kucinich - http://www.esquire.com/features/kucinich1107
Is U.S. stuck in Internet's sloooooooow lane? - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21549824
The common corporatist/'free market' apologists...say...our country is too expansive...no...the telcoms are too greedy to front the money to expand the networks...they'd rather wait until Democratic leglislation subsidizes it...
Just like Big Oil....they don't want to take their world record breaking profits each new quarter and actually fix existing refineries...they want you...the tax payer to do it...kind of goes against the whole...corporatization rule of law...doesn't it...
Daily Reading pt 2...
What the 'free market' imposes upon the world: Pharmaceutical ingredients exported from China are often made by chemical companies that are neither certified nor inspected by Chinese drug regulators, The New York Times has found.
- http://iht.com/articles/2007/10/31/asia/31chemical.php
Ah yes...lets let corporations run everything....there isn't a more fundamentally moronic/stupid ideology in the world today...not by a mile
Why Does A Salad Cost More Than A Big Mac? - http://www.pcrm.org/magazine/gm07autumn/health_pork.html
NPR Gives Torture Credibility; That 'liberal media' at it again. - http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3206
Why does anyone listen to that crap anymore?? Its been right wingnut driven since Bush came into office....
The Bush Administration's waging war on consumer safety –- and we're fighting back - http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/10/31/the-bush-administrations-wag...
Or reason 9,266,389,102 why corporations SHOULD NEVER be given power to rule
Republican mindset: "Lead is fine, it puts hair on your kid's chest...bow to the profit, bow to money before all else"
GOP Struggles in Ohio; A lot harder to win when you don't cheat. - http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=gop_struggles_in_ohio
The world of GOP hypocrites: Cross-dressing state lawmaker blackmailed following late night tryst - http://kxly.com/news/?sect_rank=1§ion_id=559&story_id=15425
Gee, nobody wants to go to Iraq: 'Calling it 'a potential death sentence,' several hundred diplomats expressed their resentment Wednesday over a new State Department policy that could force them to serve in Iraq or risk losing their jobs.' - http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/31/state.department.iraq/
White House Withholds Hundreds of Abramoff Documents - http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1583
Gekke @ 34:
• Have you ever seen Karen Hughes and Bliar at the SAME time?
"We"..."Owe"??
First of all, I personally don't owe the verterans diddly squat. I am not the one who made them fight, and I am not the one who told them to become soldiers. I don't owe them anything. So bluegal, speak for yourself and not others.
If anybody owes anybody something, then it is Bush who owes the veterans, and he owes them PERSONALLY. He should pay out of his own pocket, for he is the person representing those who lied us into the war. CNN, Fox, and NBC should also pay for the veterans as they lied on television in the drum up to the war.
How can you sit there and claim that the American public, who have suffered enough as it is, should ALSO pay for the veterans now? Isn't that like kicking us while we're down? Always take into consideration the consequences of your thoughts.
For if the American people were ipso facto responsible for the veterans, then don't you think it is entirely possible for this to be abused? What I mean is that isn't it possible that the only thing Bush and his team need to do is simply START the war? For they personally would not have to bear the costs of the veterans under your ideology now would they? If only you saw past your nose!!
If Bush wants to fight a war, then you are making it terribly easy for him by taking responsibility for the costs of that war. Why are putting up with the costs when you are not getting anything in return? What's the matter with you? The last time I checked, paying money means you are expecting to get something in return. If you don't then that's called CHARITY, which is fine, as long as you don't make it a law, whereby Bush can fight all the wars he wants to and never has to pay for it.
Don't you think that if you were to advocate NOT paying for the costs of the war that you will minimize the chances of war starting? You would because if you were wtronger than you are now, then those who want to start a war would not have the means to do it, because the costs would be too high.
For the love of everything that is still good in this world, please don't advocate what you do...everyone in this country is already having a hard anough time as it is and you want to make them suffer more? WHat's wrong with you? That's pure evil.
tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 65:
Oh oh, California, look out. Just like the 'Good Book' says, after the fires, comes the flood.
Of illegal, wet-backed, shoe- and sock-squishing aliens.
Wag @ 69:
You miss the point. So long as we are a democracy, we are responsible for our government. We, you and I, and all of us, are responsible for Bush, disgusting as that is.
We are responsible for his actions, so long as he is president, amoral and degrading as that is.
Granted, since he is 'president', our remaining time as a democracy may only be measured in months.
The way to correct that is no to let our veterans go uncared for, but to IMPEACH the demented SOB who was appointed to 'lead' us.
Kick ass(es, don't forget DickHead), America, that's what we were founded on, and that's what will be our redemption.
Well someone ("THEM") hacked the POAC site....bastards!
Paul in LA @ 67:
Keep in mind a congressional recess is coming, which gives Dubya carte blanche on who will serve as AG for the remainder of his term. Considering only a quarter of Americans say torture is never justified, in terms of political strategy Democrats could be choosing their battles more wisely.
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Jobs. jobs, jobs.
U.S. Payrolls Rose 166,000 in October
(Bloomberg) -- American employers added almost twice as many jobs as forecast in October, helping steer the economy clear of recession even as the housing slump deepens.
Payrolls climbed by 166,000 after a 96,000 increase in September, the Labor Department said today in Washington. The jobless rate held at 4.7 percent.
And one of the top tier candidates with held his vote to increase funds for the health care for our veterans. That's the problem. He sits a hard vote out. That way he can jump either way the wind blows. And it wasn't Edwards.
Our "great" country should provide affordable health care for ALL citizens, from children to Veterans and in between. Health insurance companies are making MILLIONS. My family spends $900 a month on health care and then my insurance hardly covers anything. (I'm changing it in January.) Families should not go broke because of major medical problems. I don't think Obama or Hillary get it at all because their plans don't even talk about controlling insurance companies (or better yet, removing them from the mix).
He's just being consistant.
Clips From The Other Night's Debate (to see more clips from this and other debates, visit: http://tinyurl.com//224k67 )
Joe Biden Attacks Rudy Giuliani’s Qualifications
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Dennis Kucinich Calls For Bush Impeachment, New Energy Policy
http://test.redlasso.com/service/svc/clip/playClip?fid=a23e477e-6794-4e7...
Hillary Clinton On Giving Drivers Licenses To Illegal Immigrants, Chris Dodd Criticizes Her For Contradicting Statement
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Dennis Kucinich On Hedge Funds
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scubaboy @ 51:
Without any evidence whatsoever - a flying monkey expects us to believe this? I don't think so! Typical repiglican crap - up is down, in is out, black is white, etc., etc.
Just another "hitandrun" repiglican blowhard.
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Paul in LA @ 60:
Kennedy's page on Mukasey ~~
http://www.democraticmajority.com/page/s/mukasey
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and when it comes time to raise taxes for the health care you'll all complain and re-vote repugs in as they promise not to raise taxes....truth be told people don't care about vets once the war is over.....
Karen @ 59:
It's not the poor guys fault. They have this unfortunate affliction that leaves them unable to do anything but repeat the baseless stuff they hear on the radio and other parts of their closed little thinking system. Doing research to actually look this stuff up is like. . . huh?
Didn't Orwell call this "protective stupidity"?
Preacher Boob @ 71:
"You miss the point. So long as we are a democracy, we are responsible for our government. We, you and I, and all of us, are responsible for Bush, disgusting as that is."
How can you support something so disgusting? Why the pride? I think it's time we take a good hard stance in order to change things. Supporting government just because it is government clearly has not worked. I think it's destructive to continue to support such evil.
"We are responsible for his actions, so long as he is president, amoral and degrading as that is."
Why? How are you and I responsible? Are you saying its my fault and your fault that Bush decided to spy on all of us without even asking? Are you saying its my fault and your fault that he lied to us? How can you blame innocent people for the actions of those who care not? Are you saying that the German citizens in thr early 20th century were "responsible" for Hitler?
I think thinking like you do is the grossest and most vile thing imaginable. We are INNOCENT. We did nothing wrong and so we should have to take responsibility. Is it my fault or your fault that murderers and rapists do what they do? We are individuals, so treat people as such.
"Granted, since he is 'president', our remaining time as a democracy may only be measured in months.
The way to correct that is no to let our veterans go uncared for, but to IMPEACH the demented SOB who was appointed to 'lead' us."
Yes, I agree with helping the veterans. But I implore you to see that the best way to do this is by charity. As SOON as you make it law (i.e. taxes used to help them), then you have just sanctioned the war in Iraq, you have just sanctioned the death of millions of Iraqis, and you have just sanctioned the deaths of our soldiers. For by making it law you have just given up your right to choose. Once you give up your right to choose, then others will make that choice for you, and clearly once that happens, you're f@#ked, because someone like Bush will come along.
There is no reason to believe that there will never be another George Bush if you continue to have the naive notion that giving up your choice will work EVENTUALLY, if only there are "good" people in charge. This is crazy talk. Eventually, there will be someone clever enough or compromised enough or stupid enough to be manipulated such that they will take advantage of the fact that you have given up your right to choose.
Choice MUST be kept with the individual, or else we're finished as a nation, just like all the previous robotic-like nations throughout history.
If you want to give up your right to choose, then fine. But do NOT advocate making this decision for everyone else. Some people happen to cherish free choice you know. You have no right to take that away from them just because of your own fears and fallacies do that to yourself.
So when I hear "We OWE the veterans", this implies that we have no choice in the matter, and I say that the writer of this statement has no repsect for individual choice and actually advocates MORE tyranny than we already have. Please stop it.
I am not "missing the point". The point is there staring at you in the face, it is up to you to see it.
Kick ass(es, don't forget DickHead), America, that's what we were founded on, and that's what will be our redemption.
Anybody else see the sharp turn to the right on the HISTORY CHANNEL . It's looking like a mouth piece for the Pentagon more and more everyday . Right now they are talking about Iran , supposedly trying to acquire nuclear weapons .
A few days ago the lied by omission , when bringing up the Gulf of Tonkin incident , that started the slaughter in Vietnam . Failing to mention is was a complete lie .
Throw in pro government conspiracies like JFK and 9-11 , numerous weapons programs shows and the so called history of the Saddam was the readers digest version , leaving out the reagan administration's collusion with Saddam .
Now you can hear in a scary, low key voice, the Iranians are "trying to get nukes" . Words like threat to the world or the whole world is concerned .
Looks like the take over of major media is almost complete . Brian William's thinks " Rush doesn't get enough credit " , CNN censors the murders of Palestinians every week and has failed to mention the cutting off of electricity in Gaza by Israel , NADA and Fox lol, we'll like a KGB agent WARNED , " we knew Pravda was all lies ' but in America propaganda is much more successful , because most people don't realize how much spin , misinformation and lies there are in the U.S. media .
Hey look , there's a " defector " from Iran telling a horror story about Iran's nuclear ambitions .
Wag @ 86:
wag@86
You're still missing the point. In a democracy, the people are the government. NO MATTER HOW BAD IT IS, AND WHETHER, INDIVIDUALLY, THEY DID OR DID NOT VOTE FOR, OR DO OR DO NOT AGREE WITH, WHATEVER DEMENTED FOOL IS PRESIDENT.
If they, individually, did not vote for it, they are still responsible, because they did not convince the body politic that they shouldn't do what they did. If an idiot is in power, they are responsible for him being there, because they did not use their power to remove him.
When I say 'they', I mean you and me. Let's face it, if we were as bright as we think we are, and dedicated enough to spend 24/7/365 on the problem, and willing to sacrifice whatever it took, we could either:
Have prevented Bush from being appointed.
Have ceased his presiduncey.
That's why 'we' are responsible for what he does, repugnant as it and he are.
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