Jena 6/Hate Crime protests in DC
By John Amato Thursday Nov 15, 2007 4:06pm
There's a huge turnout in DC today as thousands of African Americans marched on the Justice Department to demand racial equality from the justice system spurred on by the Jena 6 case. CNN does a nice job with its coverage today. The new AG, Mukasey was forced to respond and you can hear what he had to say in the above video....
'Jena Six' case sparks march on DC
Marchers surrounded the Justice Department headquarters on Friday to demand federal intervention in the "Jena Six" case and enforcement of hate crimes against those who hang nooses in public. On a chilly but clear day, busloads of people packed a downtown plaza seeking a big government response to small town injustices...read on
With religious fanatic DA's like this one---it's no wonder the African American community is up in arms...(Flashback)
There was a “press conference” today with the Jena 6 prosecutor DA Reed Walters. Or there was supposed to be a press conference but instead Walters played host for a gathering which sounded more like a revivalist tent meeting.
Reed: The only way and let me stress that, the only way that I believe that me, or this community has been able to endure the trauma that has been thrust upon us is through the prayers of the Christian people who have sent them up in this community. (loud applause) I firmly believe and am confident of the fact that had it not been for the direct intervention of the Lord Jesus Christ last Thursday, a disaster would have happened. You can quote me on that!...read on
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Frist!!!!
Here's the problem. Hanging a noose up, while a reprehensible act, is protected by the First Amendment. Calls for the white teenagers to be prosecuted for hate crimes by putting the noose in a public place are nonsensical. Hate crime statutes, whether federal or state, can't trump the First Amendment
Hate crimes against jenna boosh?
I DID IT!!!!! I DID IT!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Down in south Texas, we ARE the majority and we live in paradise!
335 African-Americans were murdered in Philadelphia last year.
I'm just saying....
priorities.
Sorry... supporting data...
http://inquirer.philly.com/graphics/murders_map/
Bullshit! When your actions negatively affect someone else's rights or living space, then you have just violated the "...ensure DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY" clause of the Constitution's Preamble.
These racist fucks deserve all the shit coming their way.
The Constitution of the United States
Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
SouthTxman @ 4:
I don't know exactly what you're talking about, but per the 2000 Census:
TEXAS:
White: 70% ish
Black: 11.9% ish
Hispanic (any mix): 35% ish
Unless you were only stating the obvious. I'd post the link, but you should probably know how to get Census data.
Lynnianaa @ 7:
Bill O'Reilly loves that argument against free speech.
I don't agree with Richard, but I'm just sayin'.
Hanging a noose is not protected speech, it is hate speech. Hate speech has no more protection than yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. The improper behavior of the DA speaks for itself. Such lack of concern when one group commits crimes indicates that he is the problem.
Yeah.. that's exactly what this whole situation needs.. wishing. Not anything that would require actual effort or responsibility, but wishing really, really hard to an invisible sky genie should straighten everything out.
Religion is such a crock of shit.
O rly? I thought the falafel man USED the concept of free speech to mask deliberate lies to his audience. Ever hear of the concept "with freedom comes responsibility"?
European Americans should be free to live in their own folkic societies free of federal imperial meddling.
Our European culture says beating a random person unconcious is wrong. In our society the victim does not deserve to be attacked because he should have been on guard. Granted this is not a universal value and that it is imperialist to impose our laws (beating someone unconcious is wrong) on other cultures including the African American and the American Federal leviathan at large cultures.
Within TV-imperialist society and African American society they are free to beat to the curb whomever they please, but within our European controlled lands, our law shall rule.
Embrace Moral Revativism, and leave our ways alone.
Lynnianaa @ 7:
The preamble is not part of the Constitution (see numerous cases of the US Supreme Court). If you could put people away for disturbing domestic tranquility, then every unpopular speaker, from racists to Communists to abolitionists, would have been imprisoned
You gotta love the black community... GOD BLESS THEM. You would NEVER see this kind of solidarity in a white community... we can all learn from actions like this... community is everything.
H Eight Grime @ 10:
You're just wrong there. Hate speech is protected (see the Supreme Court decision protecting one's right to burn the American flag). Any expression of an idea (as distinct from yelling fire) is protected. There is not a single case of any court in the US holding that hate speech is not protected.
Timothy Rose @ 9:
Bill O'Reilly loves that argument against free speech.
I don't agree with Richard, but I'm just sayin'.
Neo-Nazis love that argument about everything being free speech.
I'm just sayin'.
I am proud to see that a new generations of civil right advocates are coming to surface. This will ensure that the decades of work were NOT wasted in bringing to the forefront the injustices and the work to attempt and efforts to put an END to so many civil rights violation are still in existence and active.
Since the 60s and nearly half a century later; it is evident that racism and injustices still exist under a "band-aid" of numerous legislative laws are being ignored or unenforced.
What good is it to have laws when there are those that does not abide by it? It's all gum and no teeth. It's time for some real accountabilities and real independent oversight so that the gate-keepers and the policers are doing what they are hired to do. Enforcement is being cherry picked; a pattern that is predicated by a corrupt officials running our government.
It has been apparent that even police officers are abusing their licenses by virtue of their position to hold power to the general public that they were hired to protect. The brewing civil disobediences are the results of lawlessness by those (civil servants) WE THE PEOPLE have entrusted to enforce the laws; "WE the people" accepted as laws.
Elected officials has abused its power; police officers has abused its power; military has been mis-used by elected officials; THE PEOPLE ARE THE ONES getting HURT at the end.
Richard @ 16:
This, like all the OMG IT'S JUST SPEECH bullshat from the hatemongers, misses the point. The noose IS NOT SPEECH. It's a THREAT. You are not ever, EVER, free to threaten another human being.
Then again, I don't expect point-hooded trolls to notice that distinction. They slap each other on the back for what they threaten DEM NEEGROES with and haw-haw about how funny it all is, and when someone calls them on it, they run right for the First Amendment, thinking that it protects criminal acts.
By the way, for those of you don't speak Louisiana, what the DA was spouting at the press conference was not a prayer or a revival or nothing.
That is a threat, folks. He's saying, "Take a look around at all the law enforcement, and just know that, but for the grace of god, we would be whooping your ass if you give us the opportunity. Just think about that next time you think of coming to Jena."
Hey everyone, Mark Morford over at SFGate needs some input. The Drudgies are attacking his most-recent column: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/11/16/notes111607.DTL with some major hate.
Here's and example: "So much bile here. You lost 2 elections, your so-called progressive ideas are boring re-treads from 50 years ago (utopian ideals) and your answers to dealing with true threats from abroad is to tuck your head in the sand and cry: "we only want to understand you and engage you in dialogue; we should be more compassionate of different viewpoints". Wake up morons, these Arabs want to kill every last one of us, in spite of your channeling good vibrations across the pond. Nancy P. has been in office for a while; how's she doing with implementing your vision and so-called mandate? Last I checked, she's 0 for 40. Glad to know the not-even-as-smart-as-kindergarteners reading Morford the Moron and his Pathetic Little Life Story Book can be effectively neutralized by more sane adults that are able to process rational thoughts."
Occidental Tribalist @ 13:
are you a member of KKK or something cause everything about this sounds like the ramblings of a white supremist.
All blacks who were inforcing the law of the african jungle within their own towns should be freed from the prison system that jailed them for breaking white law.
It's imperialism. The white police state that expects blacks to have the same definition of crime as whites is racist.
White law does not equal black law.
They are acctually practicing good citizenship. Afrocentric citizenship. They are practicing their inate tribal folkways. Drug dealers, pimps, prostitutes, metal scrap thieves, and the Voodoo Shamans who inspire them, represent the highest of their society and provide their best influence of multi-cultural transmission.
Occidental Tribalist @ 13:
Hey, Baldy, you lost WW2, get the fuck over it.
Speaking unpopular views does not hurt anyone, but hanging a damn noose on someone's door sends a clear message of mental or physical threat. You're saying the racist teens are innocent?
And true, the preamble is not part of the Constitution's body, but it does provide the underlying reason why it was made in the first place; the rest of the body just serves to reinforce the preamble. You can't deny its importance.
Richard @ 2:
The Jena case wasn't originally about prosecuting someone for the noose hanging. It was about an equitable justice system for the six boys charged with assault. They were looking at something like 15 to life for getting in a fight.
It's kind of metastasized. Anyway, I think the noose, is a threat. You aren't allowed to threaten people with harm - it's against the law with words, it should be against the law with symbols. Unless you can make the case that people are hanging up nooses as a way to express something else, I don't think its protected speech.
Let's al support 6 people who assaulted a lone man!!!
Must all of America embrace post-white war-state capitalism of the Bush administration?
There are towns in America that still have a Eurocentric society, are whole towns, celebrating Christmas, a Eurocentric tradition, racist?
Lynnianaa @ 25:
The kid they put in the hospital was not one of the kids who put the noose up for one thing.
These punks say they want equal justice? I could agree if it was for an equal crime.
Just because some one hangs a noose up in a tree does not equate to giving six dumb ass punks the right to gang up on one kid and put him in the hospital. This type of reasoning shows the mentality of these idiots.
I guess their idea of equal rights is so eschewed because they are to dumb to know what equal means. Their idea of equal is when they see one guy arguing with some one of another race is for six to ten guys to jump the one guy and beat the hell out of him. Then expect the one that got the crap beat out of him to be arrested for a hate crime. All the while screaming they were the one's being mistreated.
1=1 2=2 a noose = a noose some punks putting a noose or two in tree =s six punks beating up and putting someone in the hospital? I don't think so.... If anyone thinks otherwise they are so stupid I may have to rethink my position on abortion.
Occidental Tribalist @ 23:
In what language should I tell you to get bent?
Occidental Tribalist @ 23:
ok you just validated my suspicions. you are an overt racist and should be banned from this dialog. there is no room for this kind of trolling inflammatory ignorance here. piss off.
Anyone that is implying that hanging a noose is threatening violence is an idiot. Should we treat burning the flag the same way? after all you could argue that burning the flag is threatening the state.
Weather you like it or not it's all protected by free speech.
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight for your right to say it."
The indignation is not universal. Some people have no problem with a white kid being beaten up by 6 blacks unprovoked. He must answer for his "privelege", and all whites are game at any time.
This is the majority opinon and shared by the neocon Bush administration. Beyond simple plebian concepts of "good and evil", but predator and prey, we are state prey, prey of the rap-culture (which is our national music, loved by our Troops). Your way of thinking is old. Unprogressive.
Dave @ 30:
Dave,
I don't think you have the facts all straight. There were white kids in the same town who beat up a black kid and were given slaps on the wrist. The six black kids were charged with attempted murder. People were protesting that the charges should be equal regardless of race.
The noose thing is an afterthought.
So to make a speech; all you have to do is , wave the flag, bash a bible, shout 9/11 & terrorists, mention supporting the troops ............. and magically the issue goes away as people are too busy clapping to think ........
IN the hospital? Oh, you mean the tow hours the guy spent in the hospital and then was released attending a school function that night?
The blame from the racist shitbags starts as soon as they realize that people won't fall for the out-and-out lies.
Occidental Tribalist @ 28:
You're not speaking words, you're speaking in garbage. Take your racist gibbering somewhere else, you failure of evolution, as you are unwelcome in real society.
You know, my grandfather killed your kind in WW2. I'd say he had the right idea
Frank @ 33:
anyone who argues that hanging nooses up is not threatening violence is an IDIOT. after all it's not like thousands of African Americans didn't get hung with nooses by white people and threaten them with nooses. oh wait......
Ah, and Pointy-Hooded Throwback starts talking about "neocons" as though that will make us believe he's on our side.
To clarify, "neocon" in Skinhead-speak is code for "Jew".
Death to Nazis, as much now as then.
Christmas is a Eurocentric holiday, that has no history with colored peoples.
Are those who celebrate is backward racists?
YES. We need state oppression of this horrid exclusivist tradition. Our "creative destructivists" "new reality" state role is to prevent "hate" not assault.
Frank @ 33:
I'm not an idiot. What do you think hanging a noose means? It means, in the very least, we ought to hang you. Not "the state," not "your culture," you.
If I burn a flag, I'm saying this country no longer deserves the emblem of a nation conceived of liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal (or something like that). I wouldn't be threatening anyone.
Old Billy @ 35:
actually they weren't given a slap on the wrist. they weren't given anything at all. as a matter of fact when the white guy pulled the gun out on the black kids the kids were charged with theft after wrestling the gun away in defense. that guy was related to the kid who was beat later btw after he was bragging about how the black kids were beaten and was using the racial slurs towards them. also that same kid, "Barker" brought a gun to school and no charges were brought against him, nor was he expelled.
Occidental Tribalist @ 40:
A little help, site monitor?
mister mix @ 38:
It's not like thousands of white people were not also hung with a nooses by other white people.
I guess that was racism also.
Do the republicans have Jesus running for the nomination..If so I haven't seen him on the campaign trail.
Marge @ 45:
Whoever they pick, they'll just consider the Second Coming. Jesus is too liberal for them.
Ah yes, another war between ziocapitalists (which includes neocons, zio-liberals, dispensationalist Judeo Christians, all the satanic rebel movements against tradition and tribe), vs. Patriots who favor traditions of their kith and kin is quite in order.
Ziocapitalists vs Patriots is a more decicive issue than abolition vs slavery in 1861.
mister mix @ 42:
Thanks for the clarification.
I agree that hate-crimes are a difficult determination because one must divine intent, but there are other legal charges that rest on intent. It shouldn't be legal to menace someone.
For those of you thinking hanging a noose is alright, what about burning a cross?
Why did Jesus let this event happen in the first place? Just to show how wonderful Jesus can be in an intercessory way, if only you pray loud and long enough?
Oh wait....
I remember how God (the J man's daddy) treated his most pious servant Job, killing his family, destroying his livestock, burning his fields, giving him boils and blisters and non-healing, non-fatal festering sores - and then causing him to walk around in the wilderness for decades, just to prove a point to the Devil.
Now it all makes sense, in that sense-not-making way that is the Judeo-Christian book of mythology.
Dave @ 44:
So you don't think that the noose was a threat?
Dave @ 44:
you show me 1 incident in this country where a white person was hung for the color of his skin. just 1 single incident will suffice. i can show you hundreds of documentations of black people who were hung simply because of the color of their skin. even in this incident which you are defending, the nooses were only hung on the tree right after BLACK TEENAGERS sat under the tree for the first time in the schools history. they weren't hung under the tree after all the times the white students sat under the tree. what are you trying to defend? you are so busy trying to say it's not racist to where you are making yourself look racist cause you are defending it.
Pete @ 49:
You might as well mine for diamonds in a litter box.
Iraqi society was attacked for the same reasons the final white societies in America are being attacked. "Creative destruction". Is anyone suprised in imperial society that our worldwide imperialism is directed inward? The ziocapitalists hate all proud, strong, tribal bonds and view them as a threat to their capitalist hegemony.
I don't want a hate-crime bill. Can you say slippery slope?
Sorry but blacks are not "special" citizens requiring special rights when it comes to what other individuals do to them no matter how sick it is. Every crime is a hate crime. Is there such thing as a love crime?
When you're handed a noose, make it into a lasso.
mister mix @ 38:
FYI Thousands of WHITE americans got hung by nooses too.
Timothy Rose @ 5:
By who? Just saying..
Joe for Unity08 @ 54:
Then all killing is first-degree murder. Accidents? Murder. Heat of passion? Murder. Self-defense? Murder.
Sorry, it doesn't work that way, and you can take that argument back to whatever sphincter it plopped out of.
Are you black and ever had a noose hanged on your door or had a burning cross placed on your yard? I'm guessing no. Who the hell are you to say that the Jena teens should have felt threatened or not?
As far as the flag burning issue is concerned, it doesn't threaten anyone directly.
And yes, the Jena teens do deserve jail time for attempted murder.
Freedom with responsibility; speak your mind/make your actions, know the consequences, and be prepared to take responsibility for it. - A point that everyone involved in this case seems to have forgotten
Damian @ 58:
There was and is other types of murder other than hate crime...
wait, is this the case about a bunch of black kids that stomped the shit out of some white kid?
Lynnianaa @ 59:
So its ok to beat someone into a bloody pulp if you are offended by what they say? Also, the guy who got beat up isnt even the one who hung the noose.
Damian @ 58:
What is a hate crime? Is it just murder? Is it assault? Is it saying something offensive and insensitive to "somebody"? How far does it go?
ATTENTION, TROLLS:
The boy who was beaten up was out of the hospital that day. He attended a school function that evening.
Joe for Unity08 @ 63:
Exactly its extremely vague. It basically legislates thought.
Damian @ 64:
Whew and here I thought that it wasn't ok for a bunch of kids to beet up another.
Damian @ 64:
And that makes it okay?
Joe for Unity08 @ 63:
Are you afraid you're going to get caught doing something wrong, Joe? Or are you simply trying to shift the argument so you don't have to admit that intent is written into law all the time?
Damian @ 68:
Where is intent written into the punishment? Is there such thing as a love crime?
Ah, the racists and closet-racists are out in force tonight, all ganging up on me because I'm telling them the truth. Nothing like watching a bunch of pitiable, low-class white guys with bad haircuts getting all flustered because they can't deal with the facts.
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Frank @ 56:
i refer your blind dumbass to comment 51 as well.
Frank @ 69:
Murder versus manslaughter.
Your stupid, pithy little comment isn't an argument, it's just trite garbage that you hide behind because you can't form one coherent argument as to why you oppose making a crime a crime.
Accidentally Breathing, shut up. You've already been shown as the skinhead failure you are. Go blow your brains out and burn in Hell with the rest of the Nazis.
Damian @ 70:
in fairness you don't know their race or hair styles. their comments do suggest that they are racist though.
Wow this thread sure degraded quick. I guess its ok to say its a hate crime as long as a white person isnt the victim.
Damian @ 73:
This is a very well thought counter point. I applaud you on your deep thoughts. Someday you will achieve great things.
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mister mix @ 75:
So it's racist to think that white people and black people should be judged the same? hmm...
mister mix @ 75:
I'm taking an educated guess - most of the time, people who make those comments are twenty-something white Libertarian males with shitty flattop haircuts.
Ah, and there it is: The admission that it's all about how OH SO OPPRESSED white people supposedly are. Boo hoo, white privilege is dying, oh how will you survive without unfair advantages over everyone who's not like you? Racist.
Frank @ 66:
Which is why they and the white kids who beat up a black kid should be all charged with assault. No one argued that they shouldn't be charged with any crime, just that justice should be applied equally regardless of race. Why are you being so obtuse? Is it deliberate?
Damian @ 80:
Ah, and there it is: The admission that it's all about how OH SO OPPRESSED white people supposedly are. Boo hoo, white privilege is dying, oh how will you survive without unfair advantages over everyone who's not like you? Racist.
Did I say that? Where are you getting all this white privilege stuff?
Frank @ 79:
it's racist to defend racist acts. none of your arguments support judging white people and black people the same. if so then you would learn the COMPLETE known facts about this case and you wouldn't be making the foolish statements that you are doing by just trying to say that hanging nooses isn't racist or a hate crime.
don't play that stupid game with me where you try to strip everything out of context and make simple statements to prove a point that has no baring on the real situation.
Frank @ 79:
And there's the ignorance that fuels your whole failing argument. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT! The only difference is that, contrary to what you believe, it's the black kids who were being treated unfairly. Read up on the facts, not the bullshit you've been fed. They were going to be put in jail for life for a crime that, when committed by white boys, was practically overlooked.
I'm not a skinhead, I'm an anti-imperialist, of which the only alternative is tribal tradition.
Celebrating Christmas, a distinctly European holiday even well liked by most white liberal agnostics, is Eurocentric, evil, and racist right?
Happy Thanksgiving and blessings upon our Kith and Kin!
mister mix @ 51:
No lets give it fair coverage. Lets say a white man is hung with out a trial for a supposed crime by blacks in a predominantly black country. Is that racism? What about all the white people in other country's who are chopped up in little pieces. Is that racism?
So by your logic or lack of, a black man can not be hung for his crimes, and if he does he was hung because he was black?
What about all the white people who were lynched without trial. Thats ok. But if a black man gets hung thats racism?
Oh its easy for anyone to SAY they hung that poo black boy jus cause he black. But the facts are you can NOT show any documentation of a black being hung JUST because he was black, you can just show that he was hung or lynched. Sure it does happens. But blacks kill whites for the same reason also. Or are you going to say they don't? I guess only white people are racist.
Lynnianaa @ 59:
Reasonable statement. Problem is when the consequences are unequal for the actions. That is the point here.
skitzoid @ 86:
Was that parody? I'm confused.
skitzoid @ 86:
Of course only white people are racist. Just show me one time where a black person is racist!!!! You are a neo nazi skin head get off of here!!!1
Damian @ 70:
Closet racist? I was born and raised in the heart of downtown Oakland. I have more black friends in my life than white friends.
Any other moronic statemnt you'd like to make?
Joe for Unity08 @ 90:
I bet you beat up minorities for fun! You Nazi fascist racist.
What you call "White privelege" (but is not) will always exist, as long as whites shall group together as extended families (tribes, the immemorial, ancient grouping), we should be autonomizing our towns from the multi-culturalist neocon federal leviathan, Bush, with his "creative destruction" and "new reality", seemingly free of the bonds of kinship and instead advocating unalturistic capitalist Randism, worship of the material, is a threat to our community. As Philadelphia falls, there will be Ancorage, after Ancorage, Reykjavik... there will always be a place for our people and our ways (privelege) as long as we exist.
You advocate rebellion of the natural order. Your thoughts are genocide.
Damian, Everything you advocate is vis a vis neocons and their hatred of the Arab tribalism.
Old Billy @ 88:
I'll second that.
While a noose will never be a bouquet of flowers, the message it implies is far from ambiguous:
1) We're going to hang your butt if you mess with us.
2) People have been lynched for acting like you.
3) I hope someone hangs you.
4) I hope you die.
5) Screw you!
The nature of symbolic speech is that the message intended by the originator and the message perceived by others are not likely to be exactly the same. When someone burns a flag it is clear that they are unhappy with the country; however, it is not possible to tell from the act whether they are threatening to initiate a campaign of violence against the country.
In Aurora, a boom town in Nevada in the mid 1800s they took threats seriously. If someone was publicly heard to threaten to kill someone, even when the person was not present, the target of the "threat" was legally justified in hunting down the issuer and engaging them in mortal combat (i.e., gunning them down in the street). Repeatedly, it was held in court that the "threat" provided the "threatened" with sufficient cause to justify his later attack based on self-defense (sound a bit like the Bush administration). The only difference I see with the modern-day proposed prosecution is that we will let the state act in place of the individual. That's the problem I have with hate-crime laws.
Ah, it's fun to watch the dregs of society, the failures of evolution, come together in this thread to try and argue why they're not racist shitbags despite using word-for-word argument cribbed right from racists of old.
And LameDick is just proving that immaturity rules the day among the trolls.
Hey, It is the white americans fault. If they had not brought black people over here from africa and other such countries but left them the way they were, then this whole point would never have been an issue.
LameDuckforlyfe @ 89:
Okay, I'm pretty sure that is parody. Who would have thought the ravism thread brings out all the mouth-breathers.
Get out of here Lame Duck, and take Accidental whatever with you.
By the way, I learned that racism is prejudice with power. So, although black folks can be, and unfortunately sometimes are prejudiced, racist is a different category.
skitzoid @ 86:
here you go dumbass #3. lynchings
that took all of two seconds. now show me where all these supposed black people hung white people. or chopped them up cause they where white. you are so stupid it's hard to even keep this civil. you seriously are suggesting that white people were oppressed and hung by black people and that all black people that were hung committed crimes? now that's a racist suggestion if i ever heard of one.
Leave Iraq Iraq, leave Iceland Iceland, and leave Maine Maine (In all of it's "white privilege"). No more satanic neocon (Damianist) rebellion.
I urge all distinct peoples who value culture and tradition to vote Ron Paul to endorse world wide freedom of association and assembly.
LameDuckforlyfe @ 91:
You're a winner. Did it burst the jealous heart when I mentioned I have friends? Don't feel bad. I'm sure you can add some friends in your desperate ultimately hopeless life if you learn to apply yourself.
Old Billy @ 97:
Oh you learned that did you? Let me see what racism really is by using a magical thing called a dictionary.
Racism- a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
Nope doesn't say anything about the person being in power. Why would someone lie to you?
Joe for Unity08 @ 90:
Joe's not racist. Some of his best friends are black :). Redherring much?!
What would Zeus do? @ 94:
Thank you for attempting to keep this discussion relevant and informed. You can see upthread that I disagree with you, but I still appreciate your argument. This thread has been taking a beating from these Drudgites (? Where are you all from?).
Skitzoid, I'm talking about you too.
mister mix @ 98:
Yep, thoughs pictures sure prove your point.
Occidental Tribalist @ 99:
And there it is. The racist is a Ron Paul voter. The dog returns to his filth.
Racists love racists. Accidentally Living wants a new Fuhrer.
A disaster did happen, and the Good Lord named it 'Reed'.
You can quote me on that.
Frank @ 101:
Actually you should do a magical thing called going to school. if you did and took ANY sociology course you would learn that what Billy said is EXACTLY right. no it's not in your ONLInE dictionary. It's what people who actually study racism on an academic level have came up with. that's not Billy's definition, it's what sociologists have learned and taught universally. go to school much? you probably missed those classes. they are required now at most 4 year universities.
mister mix @ 107:
Don't you think its weird that these academic people forgot to add that to the dictionary? lol Very convenient i guess.
Occidental Tribalist @ 99:
OH HERE we go another Ron Paul Supporter. Get your racist nazi ass out of here. I heard Ron Paul wants to reinstitute slavery when he is president. Is that what you support? Slavery? I bet you secretly have black slaves in your basement. Me and my racially diverse wife spit on people like you.
Frank @ 101:
Oh you learned that did you? Let me see what racism really is by using a magical thing called a dictionary.
Racism- a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
Nope doesn't say anything about the person being in power. Why would someone lie to you?
Frank, its really not worth the argument because its just a matter of words, and "prejudiced" is not something to which to aspire. Look right in the definition that you gave (and there are other dictionaries): "and has the right to rule others." That sounds like power to me. Why would someone who is disenfranchised even bother with "the right to rule others?" Of course, there's a long history of African-American separatists.
I said I learned it that way because that's how I use the word. Some people get hung up because its easy to seize on one part of a nuanced argument when different people's definitions are not entirely interchangeable. So, you get people getting mad when someone says, "only white people can be racist," or "all heterosexual sex is rape." But people use different definitions of "racism" and "rape."
Damian @ 105:
Only a dipsh*t who spends his entire days on weblogs couldn't get enough of calling everyone he disagrees with a racist and nazi. Face to face you must be a pretty quiet lonely guy who represses all your self hatred to later dish it out on the people who don't know you.
Get a life.
skitzoid @ 104:
actually, i figured someone as simple as you would appreciate pictures. but if you like you can actually click on them and they will take you to the article at hand that tells you what they are pictures of. that's called hyperlinks, dumbass. you can pick and choose any number of them and most of them will support my arguments about white people hanging black people for the color of their skin. something we learned as early as ELEMENTARY school so i didn't think someone like you would be so silly as to debate it. but if you can find a handful of those links to support your arguments about many black people have hung white people in this country for the color of their skin go right ahead and try.
LameDuckforlyfe @ 109:
:+)
Aaawwwww, did I piss off the little whiny Ronbot? Let Mummy kiss it and make it better.
Internet toughguy ahoy.
Damian @ 105:
Ha-ha, that's what I thought too.
I am a Democrat. Advocate of a democratic society. By default which includes the right of freedom of association and assembly.
You are a tyrant who wants to remake the world and remake the truth in your own utopian design, which of course your kind will ultimately fail at, tribal tradition has been since time immemorial, jacobin philosophy shared by both Neocons and trash-capitalist liberals such as yourself Damian, has only existed for 200 years.
Damian, Good luck destroying every visage of Tribal society, good luck advocating global genocide, imperialist.
No, Skinhead, I am a Democrat and liberal.
You are a fascist Neo-Nazi scumbag.
I'm done with your lies. Have fun trying to bring back the Holocaust, murderer. I hope we start another war to wipe your kind off the face of the Earth.
Joe for Unity08 @ 111:
wow, am i the only one who sees the hypocrisy of this argument? is Joe using a weblog to criticize a person who uses a weblog? you've spent a considerable amount of time on here too buddy.
Occidental Tribalist @ 116:
Whats wrong with you, you fascist hitler. I bet you supported the patriot act and the war with Iraq. It's people like you that disgust me and are ruining america. Go back to your racist town live your racist wife. Go ahead and vote for your little Ron Paul candidate.
I'm voting for Hilary Clinton. It's time someone like her who shares my values ran for president.
Damian @ 114:
Are you talking to me? (I'm guessing you are) No you didn't make me angry. For one it's not me who has the rabid mouth namecalling problem. It's you. Second I feel kind bad because you remind me of the clients I used to treat for drug addiciton therapy back when I was an intern at Kaiser. I feel nothing but pity for bitter lonely people full of self hatred like you. Best of luck.
Capitalist Neocons vs. Patriot Tribalists.
To Paraphrase the mighty Kor: "it would be glorious!"
As I said earlier, I doubt even Abolition vs. Slavery 1861 was as heated a debate.
The Blog Firedoglake still missing in action when it comes to writing anything about the Jena 6. The Last time they had to be reminded (and did they ever get white uptight) to cover this issue and made a lot of excuses during the process. Wonder what their excuse is for not posting anything about this most recent march?
Firedoglake still suffering from white out when it comes to covering the Jena 6
http://www.losanjalis.com/?p=446
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3036
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/20/11431/4366
Anyone notice at the 8th Democratic debate still not one question about the Israeli Palestinian conflict or a Palestinian state. Governor Richardson actually brought the issue up but Blitzer and all the candidates went mum. No thousand pound gorilla on the stage that night. Yeah right.
Hey who knows how they choose the spots on the stage? Why is Hillary always close to the middle. They sure shoved Edwards out on the right side of the stage. Hillary should be hammered for her yes vote on the Kyl Lieberman amendment.
kathleen @ 122:
Totally agree, Kyl-Lieberman was a terrible idea. I didn't notice that about firedoglake.
Isn't it just possible that the white kids who hung the noose are racists shitheads and the black kids who beat up the white kids are psychopathic thugs?
Must one side be right? Seems like everybody's wrong here.
That said, "attempted murder" does seem to be a wee bit of an overcharge for simple assault.
And there's a big difference between the Klan burning a cross on your lawn as a prelude to dragging you through town behind a pickup truck and some Eric Cartman dickweed hanging a piece of rope on a tree.
JasonS @ 125:
True enough. But did the kids who put the noose there even get detention? Maybe that was the right answer: a week of detention for being a little eric-cartman-wannabe dickweed.
JasonS @ 125:
Jason Amy Goodman of Democracy Now has done some amazing coverage of the case. You might like to listen or watch. Lots of details..a great deal of injustice..a great deal of very serious injustice
You can go to Democracy Now's website and search for more on the Jena 6. You will learn a great deal and what you may learn if you are open to it is not pretty.
Two justice systems to be sure.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/10/1413220
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/324177_amygoodman19.html
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/22/1416207&mode=thread&tid=25
I thought the Jena six was the six guys that Jena bush went out with
I think I speak with due respect to all both when I say, HELL NO! We live in a complex morally relative world beyond right and wrong, the only truely bad people are those who make appeals to the "benevolent" leviathan for genocide of people he doesn't like, like Damian, such people are neocons.
No, most likely you're the only one who is wrong!
I agree, Michael Bell is well needed on the football field, and needs this history behind him. If only he can stay out of more trouble!
Translation of OT's latest statement:
OMG DAMIAN IS TEH JEW
(By the way, I'm atheist, skinhead. So go get fucked with a crowbar.)
JasonS @ 125:
your attempt at finding middle ground distorts the reality of the situation AND ignores the context of it all. hanging the nooses WERE a threat to the black children at that school. it was only done AFTER they sat under the tree that the white kids considered to be theirs. you are talking as if in this context in between the noose hangings the attack on barker that the black kids weren't beat up at a party or threatened with a shotgun. you are talking as if the school WASN'T burned in between that time. in reality the noose could have easily been a prelude to the violence. the white kid barker was known to bring a gun on school grounds. the school officials caught him with it in his vehicle a few months after the incident.
as far as your psychopathic thugs comments. there has been NO medical evaluation or evidence to suggest that one of the kids were psychopaths and this wasn't more than kids reacting violently when provoked. some of the kids accused have witnesses saying that they didn't even take part in the fight.
so instead of your simplistic middleground rationalization, maybe you should ask this one simple question.
Isn't it possible that America and it's justice system is racist and Jena is an example of that?
So was the white kid that got beat up involved in putting up the nooses? I had read he was not involved in that. Maybe I was wrong.
Damian @ 130:
wtf are you feeding this troll? i will have no respect for you if you keep responding to his inflammatory comments.
David @ 132:
Of course he was involved, he was white!!! I bet all the white Nazis at that school hand made nooses just to scare the poor black kids!! They should just rename the school RWH, Racist White High!!!
LameDuckforlyfe @ 134:
So you are saying just being white makes you a racist?
mister mix @ 133:
So I can't laugh at the piddling little moron? Oh, thank you, O Great Owner and Master of My Entire Destiny, for giving me guidance.
Fuck you. I'm gone. I'm not going to stay in a thread where the people who should be on my side aren't.
David @ 135:
Wake up!! Don't you know anything about racism??!! Just name one racist minority. You can't, because they dont exist.
Amy Goodman who started covering the Jena 6 injustice and trial over a year ago ...her show today is terrific.
http://www.democracynow.org/
David @ 132:
the answer is NO. that isn't even the issue. there was alot that happened between the time that the nooses were hung and the barker beating. barker wasn't beaten for the nooses. he was beaten when he was provoking the black students after they were beat up. but NO ONE is protesting that barker should have been beaten and that the black students shouldn't be punished in some way. they are protesting cause of the unequal justice. that was applied across all of the incidences.
Kathleen @ 138:
she didn't start covering it OVER a year ago. the justin barker beating isn't even a year old yet.
Old Billy @ 124:
When Firedoglake was busy not writing about the Jena 6 for weeks as the situation was heating up and some of us were trying to nudge them to write about it (the bloggers there became very defensive). Many so called "progressive" received national attention for not covering the Jena 6. Jane Hamsher the creator of Firedoglake made excuse after excuse but then wrote a piece about Jena 6. I think it is interesting they said nothing about the march at their blog site today.
when they feel a bit of pressure they just might
Damian @ 136:
using profanity towards me is COMPLETELY uncalled for. i'm going to refrain from taking the same road. It's obvious that OT was trolling and not just expressing another point of view. You're responses were encouraging him to do that. Thus the attention and focus of this thread was getting hijacked. you should have picked up on that yourself but since you didn't i tried to bring it to your attention.
mister mix @ 140:
You are probably right. I know she went down to Jena soon after the event took place. I am looking for that coverage right now
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/10/1413220&mode=thread&tid=25
The jewish concept of Tikkun Olam ("healing the world") and the neocon concept of "creative destruction"/"new reality" are similar. Except one is based on bombing the crap out of people under the guise of "liberation". Both involve remaking the traditional societies of "the nations" to a more Noachide or capitalist taste. But anyone can be a neocon, a traitor of tribe and tradition for an exchange of worldly materialism.
Time line
The Town of Jena: One of those little towns is Jena, Louisiana, a 3,000-strong, 86% white community nested in central Louisiana's LaSalle Parish. Several hundred teenagers live in the town, and Jena's only high school, unsurprisingly named Jena High School, is public. This means that, under the Brown v. Board of Education precedent, it's integrated. Well, most of it, anyway.
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Nooses on the Tree: On the campus of Jena High School is a big, shady tree. According to students and others from the local community, it was understood that the tree's shade was for white kids. A black teenager attempted to sit under it on August 31st, 2006; accounts vary as to whether or not he was prevented from doing so. The next day, three nooses were found hanging in its branches. The white students who admitted to hanging the nooses were suspended for three days.
Integrating the Shade: Several days after the noose incident, a group of black students gathered and sat under the tree in protest. White students' parents called the police, and LaSalle County's white district attorney stormed the campus with armed police and gave an impromptu lecture to the black students who had gathered under the tree. "I could end your lives with the stroke of a pen," he reportedly told them.
The All-White Party: In October 2006, a black student was beaten and thrown out for attending an all-white party. None of the white students who beat him were arrested.
The Gas Station Incident: Later in October, a white student allegedly drew a gun on black students at a gas station and threatened them with it. When black students took the gun away from him and brought it to police, they were promptly arrested and charged with robbery and assault for "stealing" the white student's gun. The white student was, of course, not arrested.
The Jena Six: On December 4th, 2006, a fight broke out on the campus of Jena High School. During the struggle, a white student was beaten. He was taken to the hospital, but was released shortly thereafter and attended another school function that night. The six black students were rounded up by police and charged with attempted second-degree murder and conspiracy to commit second-degree murder. Each of the students faced up to 100 years in prison. Jena High's ordinary penalty for a fight at school is three days' suspension.
Murder by Tennis Shoe: The district attorney justified the attempted murder charge by classifying the tennis shoes the black students were wearing as deadly weapons. Apparently realizing how ridiculous this sounds, he reduced the charge from attempted second-degree murder to second-degree battery for Mychal Bell, the first of the six defendants to be charged. He has not yet reduced the charge for the other five defendants.
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this is the earliest interview I could find that Amy did in Jena
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/10/1413220&mode=thread&tid=25
another interview with parents
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/10/1413228&mode=thread&tid=25
It doesn't matter if you are atheist or not, you are damned to drift through the consensus of society at large which has it's mythos, legends, and multitudes of alternative theories on what is the "truth".
Socially deviant individualism, believing that it's all about you. Another neocon trait revealed by Damian. You have a Ayn-Rand soul.
LameDuckforlyfe @ 137:
So do you hate white people? Or are you white?
Did you actually see Jesus intervene, and did he sport lawng hawr lahk a heppeh?
I don't care if the kid beaten up spent 5 minutes in the hospital. He was still beaten enough to be taken to the hospital, and that is a serious beating.
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