George Bush says he got the new NIE report last week: Oh, really?
I just went through Bush's NIE presser and it was pretty disturbing all around. The war drumbeat against Iran has been going on for sooo long now. You can understand why this report shatters the Bush/Cheney doctrine of immorally---attacking--a--country---that hasn't attacked us. It's a virtual replay of their Iraq intelligence scam. NBC's David Gregory, called Bush on his "hyping" this scam just like he did with Iraq. Bush ineffectually told David Gregory that he just got the results of the NIE report last week.
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Q Mr. President, thank you. I'd like to follow on that. When you talked about Iraq, you and others in the administration talked about a mushroom cloud; then there were no WMD in Iraq. When it came to Iran, you said in October, on October 17th, you warned about the prospect of World War III, when months before you made that statement, this intelligence about them suspending their weapons program back in '03 had already come to light to this administration. So can't you be accused of hyping this threat? And don't you worry that that undermines U.S. credibility?
THE PRESIDENT: David, I don't want to contradict an August reporter such as yourself, but I was made aware of the NIE last week. In August, I think it was Mike McConnell came in and said, we have some new information. He didn't tell me what the information was; he did tell me it was going to take a while to analyze. Why would you take time to analyze new information? One, you want to make sure it's not disinformation. You want to make sure the piece of intelligence you have is real. And secondly, they want to make sure they understand the intelligence they gathered: If they think it's real, then what does it mean? And it wasn't until last week that I was briefed on the NIE that is now public.
Not that it mattered to him, but Bush and Cheney and any number of warmongers go around spewing venom and trying to get the public behind another military strike while he's waiting for the new intelligence to be verified? OK, I know there's a neocon always needing a war fix---and probably has dark suspicions about the NIE report, but this
And here's what Stephen Hadley said yesterday.
Q Steve, when was the first time the President was given the inkling of something? I'm not clear on this. Was this months ago, when the first information started to become available to intelligence agencies?
MR. HADLEY: You ought to go back to the intelligence community. We will get you an answer on that. There's two questions: one, when did they first get the information? -- you ought to ask that to them -- two, when was the President notified that there was new information available? We'll try and get you a precise answer. As I say, it was, in my recollection, is in the last few months. Whether that is October -- August, September, we'll try and get you an answer to that.
I'm a big "Texas Hold em" fan and Josh Marshall caught a "tell" that indicates he knew before a week ago.
If you go back to his October 17th press conference, the one where he spoke of 'World War III' he changes his wording. It's no longer the need to prevent the Iranians from getting the bomb. Now it's the necessity of "preventing them from hav[ing] the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."
That's the tell.
That change is no accident. He wants claims that will survive the eventual revelation of this new intelligence -- while also continuing to hype the imminence of the Iranian nuclear threat that his spy chiefs are telling him likely does not exist.
They've shifted their rules of engagement again to attacking a country for knowledge alone.
Scott Horton has more:
But one highly reliable intelligence community source I consulted immediately after Hadley spoke answered my question this way: “This is absolutely absurd. The NIE has been in substantially the form in which it was finally submitted for more than six months. The White House, and particularly Vice President Cheney, used every trick in the book to stop it from being finalized and issued. There was no last minute breakthrough that caused the issuance of the assessment.”
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He's a lying sack of S**t.
Bush lying about his lies.
Bush knew. And lied about it.
And he still wants to invade Iran.
cooked facts....what else is new?
While I'm pretty sure Bush knew about the report well before last week, he's known for being such an aloof leader that it is possible really didn't READ it until last week. HOWEVER... I'm pretty damn sure Cheney and other cabinet officials knew full well this report findings months ago and yet they just kept hyping the rhetoric. THAT is an impeachable offense.
I vaguely remember either the State Department of the OVP trying to block the NIE's release. Any links to that info? I haven't done the Google News search yet.
Mislead the People, mislead the people
-wackiavelli
Must be the one's they retyped from his margin notes in crayon.
Bush Logic:
Just because he's stopped drinking, there's no reason he cannot start up again, or already has.
Note to Pelosi: You've simply must impeach this fool for the sake of the country!
"Don’t you worry that that undermines U.S. credibility?"
Which credibility would this be?
Bush is a fake cowboy, afraid of horses.
A "recovered" alcoholic that 24% of the country would love to have a beer with.
A "pro-lifer" who laughingly, mockingly, happily put more people to death while he was Governor of Texas than any other Governor, and joyfully attacked a country who had not attacked us, leading to the death of (at least) hundreds of thousands.
Why would he worry about anything undermining U.S. credibility?
He doesn't give a shit.
TimV @ 6:
Brings up a good point. Could Cheney say the same thing about the report? And if he can't, doesn't that mean he's incharge and not Bush? Since when is the VP the first stop for vital intelligence? Since when does the VP sit and say nothing while his president marches down the wrong rhetorical path?
I'm sure he's telling the truth that he just heard about this a week ago. He's the neocon's monkey and only knows what to say when they tell him what to say. It's pathetic to watch this illicit leader of the so-called free world. Pathetic indeed.
Marc @ 7:
Mislead the sheeple!
He sounds more flustered and his speech is more halting than usual, as though he might actually be uncomfortable telling his patently false stupid lies. However, the key point I take from his comments is "Don't bother me with the facts, I've already made up my mind so I'm not interested."
So Bush is saying that before he made his "WW III" remark, no one in his administration ever checked with any intelligence agency to be sure he had the latest facts re Iran's supposed nuclear development. Incredible. Just how stupid does he think Americans are??
Bush is using an ostrich-like manner of governing - bury your head in a hole until you happen to hear new facts.
I'm never really surprised when these lapdog reporters fail to follow up on an obviously PARSED answer, and a half truth. Why don't they know what every parent of a three year old knows?
Rove: "I didn't know her NAME and I didn't LEAK her name."
Reporter: *Okay, that's good enough for me. I guess that means he didn't leak any information.*
Bush: "I was MADE AWARE of the NIE in August, and I was BRIEFED on it last week."
Gregory: *Okay, that's good enough for me. I guess that means he didn't know that Iran had suspended it's weapons program four years ago, and knew that when he was banging the war drum.*
Actually, he hadn't read the NIE from last week yet,
Uncle dickie couldn't read it to him since he was having his neck electrodes re-jumped.
I think the word "bushwhacked" has been redefined to mean "blatantly lied to"...
one time, my 6th grade class found out that the best way to get on my nerves was to give me a titty-twister, so I beat a few of them up and they forgot.
Liar, Liar, Liar..... How can anyone in another country trust the United States when the leaders of the US consistently lie?How can anyone trust the GOP when they consistently lie? What else can anyone call this situation except these guys are liars?
listening to John [the stach] Bolton dissemble about the NIE with Wolf Blitzer. He's heartbroken, blaming the same Hippies in the State Department who got Iraq so wrong {right!}. Wolf is doing OK holding his feet to the fire.
Hello Nancy Pelosi- START IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS DAMN IT!! We can not afford to have this lying, incompetent serve out his full term.
when has he NOT lied?
So here's the hole that Bush has dug for himself. If you believe what he says (that he wasn't told about the results of a vital NIE until nearly 6 months after it's release), then he's a completely ineffectual leader who cannot manage his own administration. If you don't believe him (and he was well aware of these findings while still making dire claims about Iran), then he's a flat out liar.
Which would you rather have as a leader, 1) an aloof and unaware president who is so disrespected by his staff that they just don't tell him vital information OR 2) a liar? Those are the choices just presented to us by Bush himself.
He needs homeland security to put out his flaming pants.
why is there no case for impeachment? are the dems guilty too? they may be cowards, but why???? perhaps they secretly want the same things but let bush et all take the heat? or am i way off?
I hope K.O. has a good show tonight.
God, I will be glad when he's out of office. I am so f^(%ing sick of bushspeak.
The words knowledge and intelligence coming out of this clowns mouth, now that undermines credibility.
I hope David Gregory's questions at this press conference don't cause any more "Polarization" like the dirty blogs do.
TimV @ 25:
I'd rather have neither but it's clear we have both.
At the end of the press conference David Gregory and Bush smile at each other like blushing school boys. What is that about? I think Gregory pitch his question to Bush so that Bush could get a chance to lie with his answer. There is something weird going on between David Gregory and President Bush.
We'll soon be enlightened that Mcviegh was indeed Iranian. Or McVeigh was a regular at an Iranian resteraunt, etc. Then condi rice will go in front of the UN and menace the world body by shaking a vile full of anthrax. Then an iranian passport will miraculously appear at ground zero as the 20th hijacker. Then we will be ordered to shop while downloadspeeds to liberal blogs become painfully and immobilizingly slow. Then we will accept the new freedom-lite. Just like we are currently doing.
Git 'em, John Amato.
Well, I never thought I'd see the day when the heads of our nation's intelligence agencies would be more interested in getting the "facts" straight than in winning the presidential medal of freedom. Sad.
kerplunk @ 33:
It is referred to Mutual Benefit.
ysbaddaden @ 18:
:lol:
Bush has not a shred of shame! What a travesty that he's now blaming Iran for no agreement between the US and Iran in 2003 when in reality, the Bush administration (figuratively) spit in Iran's face when they made overtures for rapprochement back then. In fact, Bush's rebuff of Iranian overtures was in part responsible for the electoral defeat of moderate President Mohammad Khatami's.
Nuke-LEE-ER, fuckhead! NOOK-LEE-UR!!!!!!!! Not bloody NUKE-YEW-LER!!
GODS DAMNIT, you fucking moron!!!!
HERE, you dolt!
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/nuclear
And STOP giggling, you prevaricating baboon!!! Grow the hell up, for all our sakes!
[pounding head on desk with daily knowledge that this man "leads" our country]
And you stupid ass Republicans went after Clinton over lying about a bj. If the Republicans had any honor, THEY would be knocking Bush's door down demanding his resignation. Do you people feel shame or embarrassment? Don't worry,we'll clean up this fucking mess. It'll take years though.
Of course this has cheney's finger prints all over it. The head war monger was so wanting to add one more war notch to his belt. I guess he figured the third time would be a charm and maybe we would win this one.
THE PRESIDENT: David, I don’t want to contradict an August reporter such as yourself, but I was made aware of the NIE last week. In August, I think it was Mike McConnell came in and said, we have some new information. He didn’t tell me what the information was;
...and dummy, being "just the boss," didn't bother to ask what information McConnell had that was so important he'd mention it. Not even a hint about what it might say.
This is either the least curious President ever - or the most curious. The second curious not meant in a good way.
Personally I think Dubya's an effing liar. always has been, always will be.
I'm assuming Darth is popping Nitrostat sublinguals like M&M's on hearing this got out.
I hate this lying little twerp as much as any sensible person, but the Iran thing is just a distraction. Iran is a much larget country that hasn't had it's military broken by years of economic isolation and bombing. With NO international backing for military operations, there's just nothing that Bushco. Inc. can do except what they do best: tell us there's something out there that is very scary.
Real Democracies do not threaten to attack other nations based upon their know how to build weapons. How many more innocent people will we allow the war criminals in the White House to murder before we turn over those bastards to the international community to face war crimes trials? The neocons have turned America into 1984 where the government protects the guilty, jails, tortures, & murders the innocent, promotes war in the name of peace, blind folds Americans with dollar bills, & places headphones around our ear that tell us to live in fear.
He not only lies, he talks to us as if we are children. In fact, it is her who needs to have things explained to him in a simplified fashion, and then he repeats the summaries he memorizes to the press. He reveals the tactics that are used to prepare him for his rare press conferences.
I sure would be scared if a bunch of baddies got nuclear weapons and headed for the Atlanta suburbs. But nukeyulur weapons, whatever they are, sound like fun!
ChrisM70 @ 31:
Of course there's no "polarization" when GOP pundits and propagandists accuse the democrats as wanting the surge to fail for purely political motives.
jakeonfire @ 27:
It wouldn't suprise me at all. They ALL have the same masters,too bad its not the people that voted for them...
I know this is off-topic. but is that a toupee that Bush is wearing? Check it out after he says "We have some new in-for-ma-tion."
Three cheers for David Gregory -- doing what a journalist is supposed to do!
jakeonfire @ 27:
Good questions, all of those. All we can be sure of is that there are politics behind this. For some reason, Pelosi/Reed and company have decided that their agenda is better served with the status quo rather than pushing for more ground. It's not that they have no spine; that I'm certain of. This is a calculated decision. If they really have the good of the American people as their goal then their coddling of the Bush adminstration is absurd, particularly given the polling numbers.
I don't think they're that stupid. So they must want something else.
Bush lied? Again? Wow, now THAT'S news!!!
The CIA took it in the shorts after nine eleven and again after there were no WMD in Iraq. Maybe they are tired of having all things blamed on them.
Some in the MSM have done a sort of mia culpa for not investigating enough before the invasion of Iraq.
Maybe we now have the perfect storm. The CIA is mad as hell and they aren't gonna take it any more, and the press isn't going to let the administration use them as the did before Iraq. Maybe between the two organizations, they are going to put the brakes on the white house for a while.
Left&Left @ 39:
Yeah, and we also shouldn't hold our collective breath waiting for 'thank yous' from the GOoPers. Jumping Lobbyists, I spoke with a Republican last week who claimed she was pro-choice, pro-gay rights, bring the troops home now, etc etc etc. I asked her with as straight a face as possible if she realized that the party she claims to belong to supports NONE of her core values and what in the world makes her think that she is a Republican considering even just these few issues. She stuttered, stammered and gave me some rambling bullshit answer about how Democrats are just as bad, liberal media bias this, Bill Clinton that. Yes, you heard it: she blamed Bill Clinton. For what, I have no idea. She never did clarify her position. No; these people are about SCOREBOARD. They don't care about fair or right or the truth, just if they get theirs (the ultimate irony, of course, being that if you support the GOP you will NEVER get yours, save if you are in the top 1%, but try telling the average Republican moron that)
Cartman "Bush" (hold hands in ears and minces, and cries out loudly) - "Respect My Autoritaaay, you hippies !!!"
Don’t worry, we’ll clean up this [effing] mess. It’ll take years though.
You really think the next president can balance the budget, root-out corruption, reverse the politicalization of the Justice department, get us 100% out of Iraq, reduce the national debt, reduce the trade deficit, help save the dollar from falling, restore our nation's credibility and respectability, restore habeas corpus, remove the authorization of torture from our laws, close Gitmo, stop the CIA renditions, get the NSA to comply with the FISA law, help restore the 4th amendment, sign Kyoto (or Kyoto's replacement), drop faith-based programs, fund embryonic stem cell research, pardon John Walker Lindh, nominate one good SC Justice we can be proud of, and actually LEAD this nation forward?
Wish I shared your optimism.
Does boosh go heads down on kindanasty while she screams, "Lie again Pinnochio, lie again and again and again..."
Just think, after Bush we might have Giuliani! Pray to Sky Daddy that Giuliani wins the fixed '08 election. He's going to protect us from 9/11/01.
Every time I watch Bush answer questions I always have this flashback of the movie: The Exorcist-The Beginning. Bush reminds me of the demon in the church who is telling the Priest lie after lie while everyone outside the church is dying due to the demon's evil.
Two right-wing pundits on tv last week said bombing Iran was off the table. One ending by saying 'trust me". So who thinks Bush was blindsided by this info? I think he's scummy enough to have decided the rhetoric of bombing Iran was hurting the Republican candidates, he finally figured out he wasn't going to get away with it (preemtive bombing yet again) and he decided to let the report out so bombing would be off the table.
We'll know if he was blindsided if he outs the INS personal's CIA agent wife who got the info out. Otherwise, he's still playing the media and America as fools.
2 words
THE LIVES!!!
Yes, the lives these 2 men have taken and the lives they would've taken and all because of the trumped up lies they created.
This all adds up to these two men being nothing less than murderers and butchers.
They should be tried for creating their own holocaust and summarily executed.
Make fun of this if you want but the entire 4 years has been a shame that has only put the destruction of mankind at risk. Only one being has that right and the initials are JC not GB or DC.
Hang 'em High Clint!
He backpedaled on the 'nukuler' threat Iran poses, but managed to maintain the need for a pre-emptive policy in regards to the threat they may pose in the future!!! The man and his minions are insane.
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We've all known a habitual liar. Usually, this behavior ends in childhood or the teen years and doesn't last into adulthood.
Unfortunately, George Bush never shook the habit.
Maybe all that stuff he sniffed and swallowed for all those years scorched the part of his brain that normally says: "Hey! That's not true. Admit it, okay?"
Duhhbya's whoppers are made even harder to watch when they're topped with his arrogance.
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How many times a year does an NIE report come out? Is it only once a year? Four years, I repeat, they stopped FOUR YEARS ago and bush says he just found out last week? Bullshit! If bush was out of the loop for four years and didn't know this, the media needs to get on his ass along with all Democrats running for president. Being four years behind on intelligence doesn't exactly make you the party that can protect the country.
When is someone going to write an article or do a report saying that Israel is more of a threat than Iran is to the U.S.???
Carol @ 49:
Dick Gregory has been sharpening his bayonet and sitting in the bullrushes ever since this condescending prick said "Dick...dick...welcome back....now just leave it.." after he refused to answer one of Dicks questions.
Now who's laughing ass-hole.
Here's how it went down.
Date: October, 2007
Hadley: Uh, Mr. President? There's an NIE that I just ripped out of the cold dead hands of the Vice President...
Bush: Dick's DEAD? Oh my God!!!
Hadley: No sir... his hands have just got the feel of death on them. Anyway sir, this new NIE says that Iran has fully dismantled it's nuclear weapons program. It turns out not to be as dire of a situation as we thought. The details are laid out on pages ...
(The scene fade to a blur as Bush zones out. We get a glimpse of what Bush hears as he slowly drifts into day dreams)
What Bush Hears: "Feel of death... NIE says that Iran has fully... nuclear weapons program. It turns out ... to be as dire of a situation as we thought...."
Oh this is a funny one... So when it came down to the choice between partraying himself as cluelessly stupid or criminally mendacious and/or negligent... Chimpy opted for door number one... Stupid huh.... I don't know whether to consider that one of the few truth in advertising moments he's ever uttered or one of the most clever smoke screens he's ever offered up for indigestion... Maybe its both... cluelessly stupid AND criminally mendacious and negligent.... Either way, he should be impeached at this point for being a boneheaded moron....JD
JD
Nohobear @ 23:
President Cheney. Great idea.
Actually I think 'The Onion' nailed this fucker for what he is and what he's done sometime back... Can't remember the whole story now or tagline, but went something like..
'Drunken fratboy drives country into ditch'......
Yea, pretty much... Not really funny, but at some points you gotta laugh at it cause you're all out of tears......JD
Wesley Clark, Hillary's future SecDef, has also been singing along with the bush and harping about Iran being the next enemy to confront for the last few months. Hillary's only said that she will try to be out of Iraq by the end of her second term. Can anyone get the hint that we've hit peak oil and we're grabbing control of the oil fields of the Middle East whether there is a "terrorist" threat or not?
Maybe we should impeach Cheney. Just sayin'...
I think I hate Reid, Pelosi and these "central" Democrats almost as much as I hate Bush. While they play political games to strategicly position themselves to win in 2008, soldiers and civilians are dying and being injured in this bullshit occupation. That's okay I guess, party over humanity, just like the Republicans.
Heraldblog @ 68:
No need to impeach him too, just sneak up behind him and yell BOO!
Colbert got it right. Through this whole fucking theater of a press conference, I couldn't stop thinking of his line from the DC press corp dinner (I paraphrase): "Bush believes the same thing on Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened on Tuesday."
Please...if there is a God...please give the American public the insight to raise the bar of their expectations above DOUCHEBAG and actually put a QUALIFIED person in the White House.
Phillip @ 64:
Phillip @ 64:
B-I-N-G-O!!!
Now get out of town before the anti-semite police rendition our asses out of town and send our toenails home for christmas tree ornaments!
Lakeguy @ 47:
They seem to believe that it's not the votes that gets them elected, but the money that buys the votes. I'd give $5 a year to have the federal elections paid for by the people.
He's such a lazy dipshit. He could at least lie with some gusto. He just drones out the bullshit knowing that we know that he knows it'sbullshit.
pissed off patricia @ 40:
Yes, I think the Bush and Cheney cabal are now being outed by people who have to be in the loop for them to carry out any plan.
Any wonder the news about the 6 'misplaced' nukes being flown to Minot?
Any wonder the intelligence agencies-finally catching on that they will take the fall for every mistake in the Bush foreign policy-leak this report?
I hope its a bit of revenge for the Bush outing of Valerie Plame.
Bush and Cheney are going to be outed for every concealed step fom now on I hope.
Kucinich is right, iMPEACH THEMBOTH
iran was dangerous is dangerous will allways be dangerous untill we can steal and butcher them for thier oil, orders from headquarters in telavive shalome!
Makes me wish there really was a hell.
Bush and his gang surely would be future residents.
Shade Tail @ 50:
Very well said by both of you. There is a commenter called Paul in L.A. who ridicules those who logically point out that the Constitution demands that Congress impeach those officials who have committed high Crimes and Misdemeanors. The Constitution does not say that impeachment should be undertaken only if conviction is certain in the Senate. Again, the Constitution specifically states that Congress SHALL [my emphasis] impeach when conditions so warrant. As numerous books on impeachment have pointed out [such as those written by Dave Lindorff, Elizabeth de la Vega, Elizabeth Holtzman], this administration has certainly committed those crimes, ranging from sanctioning torture, to extraordinary rendition, to the violation of the FISA act, to the illegal invasion of Iraq. It was the height of folly for Pelosi to declare that impeachment is off the table, all because of the need of political expediency by the Democrats in 2008. One suspects that once the reasons are laid out why impeachment is necessary against these scoundrels, the people will rally around Congress to make sure that this is finally done. One can certainly imagine a future administration that is worse than this one [if that is possible] thinking that they can get away with anything when they see how the present Congress allowed the present administration to go unpunished.
Ask him about 9-11.
Heraldblog @ 68:
I think Dick Cheney is more than happy with Bush where he is. After all, Cheney likes to remain in the shadows just out of sight. His actions are similar to those of the Grim Reaper. Maybe Cheney should try for that post in the after life. He is more than qualified.
King of Kings @ 84:
Rudy fields all the 9/11 questions now.
The recently released NIE report has been in the possession of the Bush Administration for months and months. The release of this report has been blocked by VP Cheney. It's release indicating Iran halted its nuclear program back in 2003 condemns the Bush Administration to being guilty as Domestic Terrorists according to the US Patriot Act.
It is iilegal to intentionally manipulate and coerice the psyche of the people or government by threatening and seeking to scare them.
US Patriot ACT
SEC. 802. DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
(a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED- Section 2331 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(1) in paragraph (1)(B)(iii), by striking `by assassination or kidnapping' and inserting `by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping';
(2) in paragraph (3), by striking `and';
(3) in paragraph (4), by striking the period at the end and inserting `; and'; and
(4) by adding at the end the following:
`*(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that-- *
`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
* `(B) appear to be intended--
`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or *
The public statements of fear mongering and scare tactics used by the President and Vice President are in direct opposition to what they knew in advance was the NIE determination regarding the suspension of Irans nuclear programs. The mushroom clouds, the threat of world war three and other statements were made to manipulate 'intimidate and coerice the US civilian popultaion, and to influence the policy of government by intimidation and coercion.
The Presidant and VP have repeatedly stressed an implied threat of imminent danger from Iran's nuclear weapons program, which we now know has not existed since 2003. They have been in reciept of this information and willingly and knowingly subverted and misrepresented the Iraniam threat intentionally. They are by definiton Domestic Terrorists.
In Bush's world, he's not lying. He probably wasn't briefed on this NIE until last week.
However, he has not denied that he already had the intel that Iran had stopped their nuclear program in '03 before beating the drum for WWIII earlier this year.
Ask him, Mr. August Gregory. I dare you.
pissed off patricia @ 52:
That and the Plame affair may have something to do with it as well.
One thing Bush says makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. Here he says we have this unbelievably dangerous country that we're afraid is trying to build nuclear weapons and is a danger to us and the entire Middle East. Yet if I heard him correctly, they were going to reward them for playing nice in 2003 by selling them spare parts for their aircraft. If your sanctions have basically helped to ground the Iranian Air Force wouldn't that be a good thing and wouldn't you want that Air Force to stay grounded? Who's bright idea was it to potentially sell them aircraft spare parts?
Insanity breeds insanity...
Let's review:
1. The United States singles out a middle-eastern country with a military that's no match for ours.
2. Talk up a threat against them.
3. Ignore the intelligence from our own agencies as well as from international intelligence agencies.
4. Deny the truth of these reports and claim that we have faith in their capacity to prove it to us with a mushroom cloud (or by waging World War III on us).
They will repeat this formula over and over again with Iran just as they did with Iraq in the hope that we will equate that country with aggression and destruction in the same way that the American people were made to believe the Iraq myth.
I originally thought they were doing all of that to fool the American people but what's even more frightening is that they actually seem to be believing it themselves.
L.I.A.R. and might I add scum-sucking pig
a guy @ 80:
Kucinich is the only one who has ONIONS!
This is where the Right has oit over the left. Who the hell is Mike Huckabee was the question 6 weeks ago. Afterall, you had Slick Mitt and Gladiator Gulliani but the Repugs listened....the left? Well we have the good lookin', smooth talkin', refreshin' black kid and the ex-1st lady running against a bunch of people we haven't heard of. Shit the media doesn't carry a word they say. What a shame because we on the left are missing some terrific ideas because all we hear are the bullshit mudslinging attacks Hilary, Barrack & edwards are throwing at each other.
Kicinich's motto is; I'm not going to sell myself by telling everyone what you've done, I'm going to sell myself on what I plan to do. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.
I can't help but believe if we had stronger members than Pelosi/Reid, something would be done about Dubya and Cheney. I know...I know....not enough votes...blah blah blah.
Oh, and Fuck David Gregory, too.
Wow! did he follow the same protocol for the intelligence on Iraq?!
Did he call Gregory "august" or "all gush"? And why is w talking soooo sloooowwwly?
anyone...when was the last NIE report that supported the bush co. doctrine...anyone?
and how many NIE reports did it take for MSM to grab hold and ask some serious questions...everyone before this one.
it would be great for someone to compile a list of NIE reports and how they have , or should have , derails bush co's republican railroad of american policy.
He's so obviously lying. Where is the regular press and media on this? They can't all be so gullible.
It appears the NIE was based on information the public knew through the open media: That there was no credible evidence behind the President's assertions about Iran.
If this information was "this bad" there was no reason for the President to have declassified this.
Why did the President declassify the NIE?
This whole thing reeks of the pre-Japanese invasion on Pearl Harbour. You must remember, the USA put very severe and crippling sanctions on Japan and then threatened to attack them if they didn't pull back against China. The Japanese were scared shitless of the "inevitable" and felt, the best defence would be to go on the offence.
They fell into the trap. The USA sacrificed 3,000 lives to control that part of the world. Pretty good investment for warmongering, capitalists as we were and still are.....as long as Republicans live in the White House.
DEJA VU!! We'd have known this and seen it coming if we knew our own history.
But hey....we know who wore #16 for the NY Giants in 1963. Now that's important!!@
I note at the bottom of the article it says they are "attacking a country for its knowledge". That isn't right. They are attacking a country for its FUTURE knowledge. They want to go to war with Iran so it won't learn something it doesn't know now.
Iran doesn't have this knowledge now, they are no threat to us now, so in the neocons sick and very twisted minds, we have to attack them now before they even get the knowledge!!!!
Need I say, this is crazy?
What are we going to do about it. That's what I'd like to know. Are they going to get away with this like they have everything else?
"When bullies rise up, the rest of us have to beat them back down, whatever the cost. That's a simple idea I suppose, but one worth giving everything for." - The Majestic
Time to impeach and remove this dangerous lying sack of shit from office before he starts another war for no reason.
Pursang @ 89:
There's nothing insane about it. In actuality it is called Diabolical Genius.
i.e.: I recall an interview several years ago with some Air Force commander who was making the argument that the AF needed X Billions of Dollars to design a new state of the art fighter jet because other countries' Air Forces were rapidly catching up to our technology. When pressed about the exuberant cost, the commander answered without a hint of irony that it was ok because the AF had a plan. They would build way more state of the art fighter jets than they needed, in order to drop the cost through economies of scale, and with the extra jets, they planned to sell them to other countries to make back even more money. I shit you not.
The MIC is Diabolical Genius.
Georgies problem is; when he looks in the mirror, he actually sees Almadinejad and he craps his fruit a looms. This chickenshit rock thrower is a disgrace.
How dare him, after all this has come out, he still wants to deny this nation the same energy resources that his country has.
Israel has George Bush in their back pocket and they have to be soooooooo pissed, at the thought...they were this close from suckering the USA in taking out an Muslim country.
Uh, the dog ate his homework?
Better move up the release date on that new Osama video, George.
BEYOND HOW MANY OTHER LAWS THIS EVIL SHIT STAIN CALLED BUSH HAS BROKEN THAT REQUIRE, REQUIRE, IMPEACHMENT IS THE OBVIOUS ONE: THE PURPOSEFUL ACT OF COMMITTING FRAUD TO THE US CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE .. THIS A FUCKING LAW .. AND HE HAS BROKEN IT A THOUSAND TIMES ..... how is the piece of evil shit still in office ? how and fucking why ? clinton get's impeached for blowjobs and this guy has literally gutted our once great country .. destroyed our constitution, maimed and killed countless innocent people, created 7 fucking million more poor people since he was installed by the u.s supreme court, raped and destroyed the middle class for his rich corporate pig friends, lie after lie .. in fact can anyone even remember JUST ONE THING THAT THIS EVIL PIG HAS BEEN HONEST ABOUT ? ..... and on and on and this fucking thing is still in office ?
Hey, remember the Lieberman-Kyl amendment a couple months ago that declared Iran a threat? I wonder how these democrats like being played for dolts?
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Bush accuses everyone outside his administration of lies and "NOT being transparent". He went further to express his discontent and anger; but YET it is the very same accusations; that HE HAS proven himself that it is HE and his ACTION that is an EXAMPLE of his own criticism.
HE has NOT been truthful. It is HE that is waging an pre-emptive attack. It HE that was caught with the LIES. It is HE that is NOT being trasparent and HAS been SECRETIVE. It is HE that is threatening World War III. It he that is cutting funds for our domestic needs and yet pushing for more FUND to wage his ILLEGAL WAR.
It is AN ILLEGAL WAR.......DON'T forget that it is an ILLEGAL WAR.......
BUSH/CHENEY regime took the most powerful nation into an ILLEGAL WAR. It is this regime that is driving the RICHES NATION in the WORLD to the brinks of SOCIAL, MORAL, and FINANCIAL bankrupsy.
I was just a 12 year old Canadian boy on Nov 22 1963 when the principal asked us to stand and say a prayer for the President Of The USA who had just been assasinated. Well, I didn't know who the Pres. was or did I know what assasinated meant.
When I picked up my papers that night (delayed) I saw this very good looking man and it was then I asked, "who could kill this man. What was it he did so wrong?"
Reletively speaking to other Presidents..............I not only continue to ask that question but ask myself another one too.............
nsr @ 109:
What, No Murtha?? The man has always been the only one with any sense when it comes to war.
I think that a man should be able to pronounce "nuclear" weapons before he can actually be in charge of them. I cringe every time this man speaks. And when I think he's the commander in chief,I just start laughing hysterically. He shouldn't be in charge of a donut shop,never mind a country. What an embarrassment .
JT @ 113:
You expect too much from the same idiot who has the world hear him declare........ "this isn't my first rodeo". What do we think of your President when we hear that.
razanT @ 114:
It's not that we've never heard the word Rodeo (think Alberta) it's just...when we hear the word, I think of Roy Rogers or even better, Wild Bill Hickock and his sidekick.......JINGLES!!
Life is perception...not how we see how things are done....but the way others do.
LOL!!! What a clown. Still, it looks like people gave him a pass on the most ludicrous part of this.
Now it's a war on KNOWLEDGE?!
GWOK? Along with the GWOT and GWOD? Almost EVERY COUNTRY ON THE PLANET has the knowledge. My Jr. High school had the knowledge. This clueless monkey apparently even takes the phrase "war of ideas" too literally. Not to mention HIS OWN ADMINISTRATION LEAKED SPECIFICS! Then there are things like this... It's impossible to prevent such knowledge, we couldn't even keep each new development from the Soviets for more than a year!
Take a bunch of uranium and add fluoride. Spin it around a while, and take the 5% that floats the top and remove the fluoride. When you have a couple of fist-sized chunks, slam them together hard. Boom. There now YOU have the knowledge. Never mind answering your door, by the way, they let themselves in... There is probably some even easier chemical way (that maybe N. Korea used for example) that I don't know.
You know what the answer should have been for a SANE individual?
"Of course I didn't mislead you -- I just learned of this too. The report is great news and we are glad the Iranians are taking the path to peace. We have already scheduled talks with them to hopefully resume diplomatic contact, and lifting sanctions (along with installing more and better IAEA inspections just to make sure). We are certain that Iran can make positive contributions to the process of peace in Iraq and the region, and this is a good first step in demonstrating their will to do so."
But no. Bush wants a war, or at the very least fear, because it is politically useful. He has no clue that playing one note over and over and over really doesn't get people to do what you want them to do. You must use a variety of methods, and force is a bit played out right now for the U.S.
But seriously talking about "memory wipes" now? Ho. Ly. Shit.
114:
I agree that this thing is an EMBARRASSMENT to our nation.
A President of the most powerful nation in the WORLD and yet he bows to the custom of other nation much smaller than ours.; HOLDING hands with the ARABs (a Custom that is NOT AMericans.) Like the old saying; do as the ROMANS do when you are in ROME. The same HOLDS true. If the royal family of the ARAB nation comes to AMERICA, they must respect our custom and culture by keeping their hands to themselves. But this President of ours is the one that instigate HOLDING the hands of the ARAB royalist.....IN AMERICA. That makes our President subservient to the culture of another nation and literally DISRESPECTING our OWN.
YES BUSH IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO OUR NATION.
The only bigger fools than those in the White House are those people responsible for keeping the comedy writers on strike.
The material that is being wasted!!
Actually, I think this is a Right Wing conspiracy. Bush/Cheney Co. are threatening these execs with....you keep these writers on the streets or else!
Can you imagine Maher, Stewart & Colbert....they must be searching for sharp objects by now.
the conmen are always ready for the next mercantilist war to sell to the sheeple with infomercialists like O'Reilly ready to send reporters to the homes of anyone who dissents from dear leader
hug the moon @ 37:
hug the moon @ 37:
Is that what they
that came out weird....
bush "Worst President Ever" now solidified for all historical time.
The President is not a fool or an idiot. He is a megalomaniacal, sociopathic tool. He has no conscience, he lacks remorse, shame & guilt, he's a pathological liar, he's secretive, authoritarian and paranoid, and, what makes all of this a problem is that he does not perceive that there is (or ever has been) anything wrong with himself.
Sociopaths will often become murderers, even though they seem like pretty normal folks most of the time (think Jeffrey Dahlmer). That's why George has no trouble with causing the deaths of millions.
But he is not running the show, just being used as the front man because he is so willing and really does not care. His Daddy, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Kristol, and all the PNAC neo-con guys are the brains behind the puppet and they all do the bidding of the international finance guys - you know the ones who run the fed, the world bank, WTO, and other global financial cabals. The Dems are on the take as well, or are being threatened with political/financial ruin if they mess up Georgie's fun. There will be no impeachment, and whoever gets to be president next will have also been handpicked and "placed" in office. We're screwed.
"You wanna make sure the intelligence is REAL!"
Ha.. ha ha ha!! HA HA HA!!!!!!
Good Grief, worst president ever, or the worstest president ever!
RazenT;
Been reading thru your posts... All pretty good and I agree with your perspectives and like your snarky humor too.. But... what's Frank Gifford got to do with anything??? He didn't even play in Canada..... Maybe you meant Sam Echeverry...
Just kiddin dude, I couldn't help it, when I saw the 63 NY Giants reference.... As for the Kennedy thing? Well, I remember where I was that day as a 7 year old... It wasn't a good day here in the U.S.A and we've had a lot of bad ones since too......JD
I can recognize a piece of intelligence when I see one and the person standing at the podium and speaking in this video does not qualify as any sort of intelligence. Maybe, Bush should try the chutes and ladders diplomacy rather than the carrot one that he mentions. Why is his face so red in this video? Spider angiomas? Sunburn????? He is a disgrace!
If he did indeed get new information, it was probably from Israel, who told him "there's a terrorist hiding under your bed, act now, before it's too late".
razanT @ 112:
That was senate not house.
SHENANIGANS! I call shenanigans!
"They’ve shifted their rules of engagement again to attacking a country for knowledge alone.
" Every country with access to the internets should be attacked if this is the case.
What's with all the fixation on Israel. I think this has more to do with Halliburton than AIPAC. War pigs.
fwacbar @ 130:
Especially when the US put the "secret" nuclear plans on the internets.
To 57 Dahlgren- You had me following you till you got to pardoning John Walker Lindh. Pardon him for taking up arms against Americans and actually help kill an American. I would love to put a bullet in him, or better still bayonet him! I agree with a lot on this blog but treason isn't one, and almost all the other comments are sensible. But not pardoning somebody who participated in outright murder and human rights violations(Taliban) and collusion in the murder of thousands of Americans. Your comments should be banned from now on!
Bush and Cheney and the rest of the Neo -cons are evil, sick extremists and should all be locked up in a mental hospital under armed guard.
"GEORGE BUSH IS A MALIGNANT NARCISSIST
Malignant narcissists can be very charismatic, and are very adept at charming and manipulating others. They are clever at camouflaging their malevolent agenda, even to themselves, and can appear to be very normal, regular, and seemingly loving people. To quote the great doctor of the soul, psychiatrist C. G. Jung “only a very small fraction of so-called psychopaths land in the asylum. The overwhelming majority of them constitute that part of the population which is alleged to be “normal.”” And, I might add, that many of these so-called seemingly ‘normal’ psychopaths are drawn to positions of power. Malignant narcissists are very skilled at entrancing others, at putting other’s under their spell. They are master hypnotists. They are like ‘black magicians,’ in that they are very talented at hooking others through their fear by using ‘mind-control’ techniques such as lying and propaganda to control them."
http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/02-08-05/discussion.cgi.19.html
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When Bill Clinton was being dragged over the coals in the 90's it was on all the talk shows every night.Larry King had him as the main subject every night and they did'nt care how destructive it was BUT Bush gets a pass on all his stupidity with ALL the reporters and talk show hosts. They would rather talk about Hillary and how they can destroy her , with her laugh or clapping her hands , or whatever . It guess it takes the repugs to carry off what the dems should be doing now. They are relentless with their slandering and I guess it works.This so called President is getting away with the unimaginable , and you just know that he and Rove must be getting a real laugh out of it as nothing is being done.
Old Billy @ 131:
Halliburton? Yeah, OK.
"Israel's ambassador to Washington, Sallai Meridor, spent the weekend warning about Iran's nuclear program. Meanwhile, Israel knew about the report that was to be released, but Meridor warned in no uncertain terms that 'time is running out.'"
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=930783&contra...
"Responding to the report, Defense Minister Ehud Barak said Tuesday that Iran had probably restarted its nuclear weapons program. "It seems Iran in 2003 halted for a certain period of time its military nuclear program but as far as we know it has probably since revived it," Barak told Army Radio."
AND...
"Infrastructure Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer said he "doesn't buy" the National Intelligence Estimate findings that Iran had stopped making a nuclear weapon. He said Israel should "not take any risks" and keep up its campaign against Tehran."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/930826.html
Fuck bush, everyone that voted for him, and what they all stand for - killing, and more killing to line their pockets.
Old Billy @ 131:
By the way, it must be convenient having the U.S. government and it's contractors as scapegoats whenever you need them to deflect attention from Israel.
Israel firsters need to decide where their loyalties lie. If you're a U.S. citizen and live in the U.S., but put Israel first, then you deserve to be stripped of your U.S. citizenship.
If I were a Bush supporter I would hang my miserable head in shame and do the world a favor by slitting my wrists and be done with.
That Kyl-Lieberman amendment was a real doozy of a trap. It didn't really authorize force, but we all know how creative Bushco gets when interpreting legal documents, so on the face of it, yeah, bad vote. But you have to remember that earlier, the Iranians were flooding Iraq with weapons, including the more lethal shaped-charge IEDs that are responsible for killing so many of our men and women. I seem to remember several sources pointed the finger at the Revolutionary Guard; of course, that could have been another Jeff Gannon press placement for all anyone knows. I think Juan Cole pointed out that Sunnis and Shiites don't usually share lethal weaponry, so WTF? Maybe a shady intermediary was spreading out the shaped charges and going between the two armed camps. There is some evidence that Iran has reduced its aggressive behavior in Iraq, although that could be the result of US troops arresting several alleged Guard members they caught up north. It's enough to make your head twist off, trying to figure out the ins and outs of Middle East relationships -- another good reason to bring everyone home.
We've finally gotten to the point where Bush's stories make him look like an idiot EVEN IF YOU BELIEVE HIM.
BushCo has truly jumped the shark.
Todd Rubach @ 133:
First of all John Walker lind was tortured, waterboarded like the rest, 2ndly, He was not part of the Taliban conspiracy that was a Saudi affiliated thing. Lind was there due to his religious beliefs.
As for the NIE, while we look at the outrageousness of the Republican response to the revelations of the NIE, we also need to re-eval the MICs influence MS Clintons vote for the Kyl-Lieberman bill indentifying the Iranian special forces as "terrorists"
Ms Clinton continues to use the language of the republicans to validate the reason she voted for the bill, while at the same time stating her vote does not endorse the President taking action. I expect a candiate with her experience not to confuse the issue, but I suspect who ever is funding her is funding the republicans.
who ever is behind these two "opposing parties" is trying to have it both ways.
Linking Iran with Terrorism creates the premise for a pre-emptive strike.
Identifying Iranian military assets as "terrorist targets" attempts to legitimize the pre-emptive strike.
Maintaining that definition "Iranian Terrorists" frames any action taken against an Iranian military target as one occuring outside the scope of the geneva conventions, nor previously agreed treaties. In essence the Neo-cons win even if Ms Clinton is elected.
So I appeal, Shut it down, write your congressman, repeal this slipshod "terrorism" link to Iran, if not? then get prepared for the draft, cuz thats what it is going to happen no matter what party wins the next election.
We have got to take this little mother fuckin war criminals toys away from him. I am sick and tired of this prick hurting our country.
Apoligies if this has been said. (did not read all comments)
bush: - There is a better way for iranians ! translation = Give us your effing oil !!!!
I love this show: "Whose Lie is it Anyway?"
IMPEACH. NOW.
Gore/Kucinich/Obama/Kermit/Anyone but Bush '08
you guys should warn people when MOST of the video you posted is of the chimp........uh, i gave up a long time ago at expecting dubya to make any sense about much of anything....it turned my stomach...and kudos to that pussy david gregory for the telling question
How many time do we have to go through this before we get rid of the bum?
duhbya does not feign ignorance well.
Impeachment, the only option let, must be put on the table.
Hersh: Bush Told Olmert Of NIE Two Days Before President Was Allegedly First Briefed On It
Yesterday, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley told reporters that President Bush was first briefed on the National Intelligence Estimate’s conclusions on Wednesday, Nov. 28.
But today in an interview with CNN, Seymour Hersh, The New Yorker’s Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative journalist, revealed that Bush actually knew about the NIE at least two days earlier and had a “private discussion” about it with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert before the Middle East peace summit in Annapolis, MD, last week:
Israel objects to this report. I’m told that Olmert had a private discussion with Bush about it during Annapolis — before Annapolis. Bush briefed him about it. The Israelis were very upset about the report. They think we’re naive, they don’t think we get it right. And so they have a different point of view.
Watch it:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/04/hersh-bush-iran-2/#comments
Bush had two meetings with Olmert — one on Monday, Nov. 26, and one on Wednesday, Nov. 28. But as Hersh makes clear, Bush discussed the NIE with Olmert at the first meeting before the conference, on Nov. 26 — two days before Hadley alleged that Bush first was briefed on the report. This revelation provides evidence that the Bush administration is misleading about when it first learned that Iran had halted its nuclear weapons program.
UPDATE: Last night on NBC News, Brian Williams reported, “[D]uring last week’s Middle East peace conference where so much of the talk was centered around the Iran threat, US intelligence officials had information indicating they knew better, and the administration said so today.”
Transcript:
BLITZER: But you were suggesting that there was a real run-up to war developing within the administration, even as there were some in the administration — the intelligence community — suggesting, Hey, hold off. Maybe they did suspend or freeze their nuclear weapons program.
HERSH: Well, of course. I think it’s still not over.
BLITZER: Because I want to press you on this. Does that mean, now that this new NIE has been released publicly, it is over, the run-up to a potential military confrontation with Iran?
HERSH: Well, there’s always Israel.
BLITZER: What’s that mean?
HERSH: Well, it means that Israel can always decide to take military action, or with us covertly. Israel objects to this report. I’m told that Olmert had a private discussion with Bush about it during Annapolis — before Annapolis. Bush briefed him about it. The Israelis were very upset about the report. They think we’re naive, they don’t think we get it right. And so they have a different point of view.
Article source and Comments
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/04/hersh-bush-iran-2/#comments
Vman @ 89:
YouPolls
Who do you consider more dangerous to world peace, President Bush or President of Iran Ahmadinejad?
President Bush
83%
President of Iran Ahmadinejad
17%
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1187
Do you believe the White House will be moving away from its increasingly aggressive rhetoric?
Yes, they have no other option
15%
No, they will continue to find ways to deceive the public
85%
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1177
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