Gore fingers admin. at global warming conference
By Steve Benen Thursday Dec 13, 2007 7:10amThe United Nations has been meeting this week in Bali to negotiate steps industrialized nations will take to reduce emissions and combat global warming. Predictably, the Bush administration’s delegation is doing what it always does — block progress, stall for time, and undermine the process.
Yesterday, Al Gore was on hand, and didn’t hesitate to take his country’s irresponsible approach to task.
“My own country, the United States, is principally responsible for obstructing progress here in Bali,” said Gore, who flew to Bali from Oslo, Norway, where he received the Nobel Peace Prize for helping alert the world to the danger of climate change. […]
Gore urged delegates to reach agreement even without the backing of the United States, saying President Bush’s successor, who will take office in January 2009, would likely be more supportive of binding cuts.
“Over the next two years, the United States is going to be somewhere it is not now,” he said. “I must tell you candidly that I cannot promise that the person who is elected will have the position I expect they will have, but I can tell you I believe it is quite likely.”
In other words, “Ignore Bush and strike a compromise now — the United States can catch up once what’s-his-name is gone.”
Indeed, Gore drew a loud ovation when he “reminded delegates that President George W. Bush has only one year and 40 days left in the White House.”
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He shouldn't have ANY days left and neither should cheney but there they are.
Gotta love Gore for poking the idiots with a stick every chance he gets. It's nice to see someone doing it. Even if it's just symbolic.
Just read MargeAggedon's comment again because that's exactly the way I feel.
Mr. Gore is not a hypocrite. He is and has been a very strong proponent of Global Warming. He will not hesitate to take a shot at anybody that does not come in balance with checking this crisis. US produces the largest carbon emissions in the world and so unless US puts the lid and takes charge, the rest of the world, no matter how much they limit or join Kyoto, is not going to impact anything.
It's nice to see someone representing America who has a head on his sholders...so much better then when Rice or Bolton would show up and kick up dust and throw staplers.
I miss having a positive outlook. I, like Al, examine the road ahead and hope.
THAT IS SICK!!! I would expect more from a former vice-president and Nobel winner... you FINGERED the administration at the global warming conference? that is sick, hope you got a happy ending, and please WASH YOUR HANDS before returning.
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 4:
Not only does he have a head on his shoulders, he doesn't go around with it up his ass as so many others seem to be doing.
Biggest hoax in the world....Christianity
2nd biggest hoax in the world....global warming
Gore would win it all if he jumped in, even at this late date. In fact, he could wait until a day or two after the caucus nonsense in bible thumping/deluded Iowa. That way he could ASSURE that the next president of the US not only supports, but leads the way on tackling Global Warming!
Chris @ 8:
Take a trip up to the Hudson Valley in Canada, or read any real science on the problem and you'll take your blinders off about the global warming issue.
Gore's a boob. If he really held these ideals so dear and honestly felt the way he says he does about the current administration, he would have turned down the invite to the White House couple weeks ago. All Gore is doing is selling a different kind of snake oil...door to door.
And who does the US send, Larry Craig. If they can get him out of the bathrooms.
GoodGod @ 9:
No...he couldnt. he couldnt even come close at this stage of the game.
heh... "Gore fingers admin." funny... gross.
why do republicans keep supprting bush the total failure
2008 sweep for dems
below_me @ 6:
I hope he gave 'em "The Shocker."
"2 in the pink, 1 in the stink"
Jay @ 11:
No, maybe he went to the WH at Bushies request to give him advice about global warming, maybe Gore will try to stress the urgency of the situation to whoever will listen.
I doubt very seriously that Gore would ever be in some scheme with BushCo. And he may be career politician, but, to me anyway, he's become much more the statesman since the 2000 "elections", and he seems to be actually trying to affect positive change...What is wrong with that?
“I must tell you candidly that I cannot promise that the person who is elected will have the position I expect they will have, but I can tell you I believe it is quite likely.”
The more reason Al Gore should run for president again!
C'mon AL! RUN! It's the ONLY way for you to make change happen!
Gore's comments are gone from the linked article. Another update brought to you by the liberal media...
He probably went to the white house because he was invited and he's a gentleman. Hell, if he could just make a dent in the hard head of bush regarding global warming, it was worth the trip.
What's weird is I heard this quote on the radio several times and right when he finishes saying “My own country, the United States, is principally responsible for obstructing progress here in Bali,” the audience breaks into applause. And each time I hear that I keep wondering what in the hell are they applauding?
A year and forty days left...
I really was feeling pretty good this morning until i saw that.
Chris @ 8:
No, i think the biggesr hoax in the world has been successfully played on you.
How some people can think that Climate Change isn't a real concern or issue are obviously not too concerned about the future of this rock we live on.And when you think about it....It ain't all that big.......it's small actually....but as I've said before...the planet will heal it self,it's the human race that will suffer the consequences...air pollution and water pollution are huge issues....oh and inflation went up.08% in Nov....gasoline
Chris @ 8:
My Correction
Biggest hoax in the world....Religion (all are cults)
2nd Biggest hoax in the world...man-made global warming (does not exist)
Chris @ 8:
2nd biggest hoax.....I beg to differ, come to Canada's far north and take a look for yourself. Or go to alaska and have a good look. I can assure you global warming is not a myth.
I am putting my money where my mouth is too. I live at the folling gps co-ordinates 58.817N,122.650 W
John @ 23:
I love it that Al Gore PISS'S YOU OFF!!!clueless twit
pissed off patricia @ 20:
the gore visit to the white house was a HUGE FU*K YOU to bush...
way to go al!
A year and forty days left?
sigh... damn... what is left for him to decimate?
Iran I guess...
Personally, I dont care if Global Warming is real, or if Al made it up one night over a bottle of Pinot. In the end, most of the ideas on how to combat it only result in cleaner air, cleaner water, and less dependence on foreign oil....all ideas I think most of us no matter your political affiliation can get behind. Unfortunately there are those on the right who wont simply becasue the idea came from Gore just as there are some on the left who would feel the same about an idea coming from someone such as Gingrich or Dole.
That being said...Gore is still a boob. He's used this issue as a money maker and just recently brought his own home up to the environmental standards he has been preaching about for years.
Crank up that smear machine.
You know Gore can't be talking like that 'bout the United States of 'Merica (snark).
Even if it did draw a standing ovation at the knowledge the global community wants Bush's ass gone, and probably wonders why impeachment was ever taken off the table.
Which finger?
What Jay at #31 said:
" In the end, most of the ideas on how to combat it only result in cleaner air, cleaner water, and less dependence on foreign oil….all ideas I think most of us no matter your political affiliation can get behind."
And I notice a bunch of trolls have weighed in on this.
You will probably drown in the water from polar caps melting because you keep thinking global warming is a "hoax"
You can only take so much from the earth without replenishing it and have it come back to bite you in the ass. As we're beginning to learn not a moment too soon.
There's no reason there such be a tropical storm picking up in the Atlantic when the hurricane season is over, but just maybe, global warming has something to do with it.
When that polar bear shows up in your backyard, because the ice caps have melted and its' too damned hot for him to stay where he is, think global warming.
When people die from heat exhaustion, because it's too damned hot and there's no trees to provide shade and the a/c is blown to hell, think global warming.
I guess I'm done here, because it's not my habit to feed trolls...
Gore is the man!
"Indeed, Gore drew a loud ovation when he “reminded delegates that President George W. Bush has only one year and 40 days left in the White House.”
Let we can begin the long difficult task of picking up the pieces of what's left of our military, budget, broken bodies of US service men and women, moral standing in the world and our international reputation.
Filthy Harry @ 21:
The world hates Bush, with good reason.
23 John, your memory fails you. Maybe you just didn't know.
Al Gore did not lose the election in 2000. He won it. The United States Supreme Court stepped outside the bounds of the Constitution and declared that this time and this time only they would appoint the President. They appointed Dumbya.
Chris @ 8:
7 billion largely motorized population (9 bil by 2050), 2 1/2 % of all water is fresh mostly locked up in glaciers melting faster than nature moves, deforestation in the Amazon (the 1st lung of the earth) is visible from space, coral reefs (the 2nd lung of the earth) are dying at rates never before seen in recorded history.
Yeah we’re ALMOST not having any effect on the planet "2nd biggest hoax in the world....global warming" according to FIXED NEWS and oil paid $cienti$t$ like Phil Cooney, remember him?
Fascist States of America @ 34:
Also new industries, more jobs, more national & energy security.
Proud American Liberal @ 40:
That's my point..Exactly.
Oh, by the way, I tend to vote Republican. Imagine that....
What happens when the 20th of January happens to fall on a Sunday?
John @ 23:
You sir, are truly misinformed. Look at the damage done by de-regulation of the industries that are the biggest polluters. Letting a FOR PROFIT entity, police itself on pollution, or ANYTHING ELSE for that matter is just fucking stupid. And btw...Gore WON the election, the neo-con brownshirts intimidated minority voters, "lost" ballots, and shut down at least one recount that I know of. Then the Supreme Court APPOINTED BushCo and pals to the presidency...It's been downhill ever since. Does the name Diebold mean anything to you? Hackable electronic voting machines with no paper trail, built by a MAJOR contributor to the Bush admin...Don't see anything wrong there do ya? No wrong-doing in this admin. No sirree! Asshat!
Have a nice day.
IgnoranceIsNotBliss @ 42:
I think it means the 21st is on a Monday that year.
The Political Junkie @ 35:
The really twisted thing is that I don't think that all these folks are just trolls.
Considering that C & L is a pretty well known site, and is very anti-bush, don't think that it's beneath right wing groups to have their own teams of 'professional swift boarders' on hand.
Think about it. The internet is a powerful source of information. That's why republicans are desperately trying to consolidate and censor it. In the meanwhile, why not have teams of people who deliberately spread propaganda or try to goad those who oppose their view?
Although the anti-religion fellow IS probably just a troll. Religion helps to foster ignorance, which is something that right-wingers rely upon.
Proud American Liberal @ 37:
Yeah I know but still if you can listen to the audio. He doesn't mention bush, and just taken on its own the above statement doesn't seem like the kind of thing you'd say and get applause.
John @ 23:
As a Canadian this who carbon credit idea scares me. We've been told that if we sign onto Kyoto we will be sending hundreds of millions of dollars to Russia. You know Russia the country run by that Putin guy who does not want to reliquish power. The one who is doing every thing he can to ignore democracy, free speech and set himself up as the next global tyrant. How the hell is sending him money supposed to decrease a naturally occuring gas (CO2) Is beyond me!!
Hey here's an Idea. How about all these celebrity environmentalists (Al Gore, Leonardo Decaprio, etc, etc) Do something less hypocritical and begin living a life that appears to be true to what they speak. "A global crisis?" Well then lead with your actions. Sell all your real estate and vehicles and stop using air travel and live in a small environmentally friendly and completely sustainable home. Then what you say will begin to mean something. Until then I will continue to use my active mind to seek out all view points about global warming and listen to those who have science backgrounds and don't use computer models as crystal balls.
I am beginning to see that this whole global warming movement has a lot more to do with faith and magic and political agenda than true science. The IPCC has attempted to stuff a incredibly complex chaotic climate of an incredibly complex planet into a computer and, from what they they have seen on their monitor, have invented a future that suits their agenda. Meanwhile all of humanity listens to the propaganda of an ex-vice president (who, by the way, had his hands on the levers of power of the most powerful nation in the world when Kyoto was invented and yet he did nothing!) and we react and get scared and are ready to follow him like lemmings off a cliff.
We need to care for this planet. We need to clean up our mess and seek cleaner technologies. However fear and anxiety will not get that done. We are spending too much time trying to control a life giving gas that assists in plant photosynethesis and ignoring actions that could give us a cleaner world.
Or perhaps I'm just naive and this is not all about CO2 and more about redistributing wealth in the world by a small group of people in a disfunctional organization (United Nations) who have found the ultimate way to get their hands on the levers of world power.
(One last thing: Some studies have shown that increases in CO2 actually follow warming not the other way around. That would mean controlling CO2 in the atmosphere (if we actually could) would do nothing to the temperature of the planet. But you don't to hear that do you? Fear and anxiety has probably, by now, have become a warm security blanket.)
Filthy Harry @ 46:
The truth is often warmly recieved outside the US.
xoites defends Constitution @ 48:
Of course, becasue political infighting and bureaucracy NEVER came into play in Europe.
LMAO.
I was reading several articles recently about a new controversy over 2+2. There is some compelling evidence that it only equals 3.99998 and i have come to the conclusion that until there is a concensus i am going to compromise and go with 3.99999.
does anyone know where we can find the vid of the entire speech?
my clip only showed just a bit past the "when they came for me" part.
i like to hear our president speak whenever i can.
Jay @ 11:
You have NO IDEA what was spoken of in that meeting. For all you know Gore might have been letting W know how he felt and how wrong the current admin is.
But the, you probably think it's a hoax anyway.
Moe Zilla @ 52:
Try a little more reading comprehension further down and stop being such a reactionary boob yourself. I swear, for someone who claims to be so "open minded", Gore sure does bring out his fair share of close minded supporters.
Filthy Harry @ 21:
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they are applauding because they are hearing an american who states the truth. for so long all they have heard from 'leaders u.s.' is the same that we have heard--obvious lies given with a crafty smirk and wink.
they are appaulding honesty.
Jay @ 11:
Be sure to archive your comment Jay. You may regret it someday. Your children will not be thanking you for the massive IOU sent to them by unconcerned deniers of our generation.
Jay @ 53:
I am glad Gore is not in politics any more. Now he can tell Bush and anti-climate critics to go to hell. Right on Gore. He should had been President, not that moron we have now.
You see, nobody in the world likes George Bu$h (a.k.a. Governor Poopy-pants). No one! Applause because he hasn't got much longer to be in "power". Wow! That's gotta hurt... oh yeah, sorry... he has no feelings.
bmw 528 @ 55:
Sorry, but i also believe that you can have a problem that needs to be solved, and at the same time others can exploit that problem for their own ends. I dont necessarily disbelieve the tenets behind global warming, but I think you've got to be pretty blind to think Gore is some sort of benevloent messiah.
Jay @ 41:
Wow! Imagine that?!
Mike the Canuck @ 27:
Right on, Mike. Thanks for providing some truth and calling out these naysayers! Global warming is real... it's happening regardless of how much you idiots want to slur Al Gore. But that's the republican fucktard way, isn't it?! Kill the messenger and misalign the message to suit your own purpose of keeping your heads inserted even higher up you a$$e$. Good for you!! Too bad there isn't some planet LalaLand you could all go to where you poison yourselves while declaring nothing is going on.
Gore spoke the truth! We all know an administration that has problems with the truth!
GO AL....
OBservations from the Iowa Democratic debate, The immigration issue did not come up. But..light was shed on that all over the MSM afterwords. The 800 lb gorilla on the stage continues to be the Israeli Palestinian issue (hello how many times do we have to hear this is the most serious root cause of the hatred that many feel towards the US in the middle east, besides our military bases to protect our need to access). I have watched all the debates (Republican and Democrat)this issue has not been brought up. Former Governor Bill Richardson tried to bring the issue up once and was quickly shut down. I mean quicly.
The I/P issue continued to be the 800 lb gorilla in all of the debates.
Another observation from the debate yesterday
Former Senator John Edwards consistently brings up that he will go after breaking the corporate lobby hold on our nation. He also consistently brings up the poor, the hungry and struggling in our nation. He does not stand to win votes or money from corporate lobbyist and those they represent and many people in poverty do not vote. I am amazed and admire Edwards for continuing to bring these critical issues up more than any other candidates who stand to win.
Who does he get votes from by making a stand on these issues?
Not quite the finger I was hoping Gore would use on the Administration.....
Jay @ 58:
I do not believe that Gore is a "benevolent messiah" as if he were some deity that we offered our complete and unconditional obedience. On the contrary, he has brought up a lot for us to think about in regard to our consumptionist paradigm which assumes that our world has unlimited resources and the impact we have on our planet is intentionally overstated for selfish purposes. The Nobel Prize committee obviously thought otherwise. Al Gore wants us to thoughtfully consider our relationship with our world, learn to live within our means, and for the benefit of the rest of the world and future generations, take action now to secure that future before we run out of solutions to limit or reverse what we have done.
You may be perfectly content with the status quo and think nothing needs to be done, or worse, that people like Gore are just catapulting their unsubstantiated propaganda. It's time, Jay to wake up and consider what the legacy of our generation will be to the future ones. Do you want to be known as the generation that knew what to do and did nothing because they were too complacent?
Do yourself a favor. Read "An Inconvenient Truth" and judge for yourself. If not, then propose your own solution that is backed by peer based research. Don't waste our time complaining if you don't something plausable to propose as a solution. Critics are a dime a dozen and a waste of time.
The only way he could reasonably say that is if he is planning to enter the race!
William @ 47
You bring up some very very good points. Thank you. I'm not a fan of this carbon credit idea either. I think it's like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound. It just ain't gonna work.
And as for the celebs walkin like they talk, I couldn't agree more.
I'm not so sure about the global warming movement as it were, is purely political. It seems to me, that most who are in denial about global warming, whether it's a natural earth cycle, man made, or a combination of the two, (that's what I think) are also mainly die hard BushCo supporters...and many of those are also creationists. So there is clearly an anti-science/anti-enviroment agenda on their part.
The people who care about the environment may indeed be buying into the political aspect of this movement...but at the moment, at least from my point of view, the science tends to back them, (and me) up.
And if memory serves, Gore did quite a bit of good for the environment and education while in office. As for not acting on Kyoto, I think it was the repubs in the house and senate that blocked it....not Clinton or Gore...Though I could be wrong about that...
I think you may well be correct about the focus on C02, the problems facing this planet are so much more than one over-abundant greenhouse gas. And this carbon credit bullshit...it doesn't really stop any one industry from polluting. It does seems to actually favor the major offenders. But again, I could be wrong.
And not all of us are overwhelmed by fear and anxiety...for my part, it's mostly anger about what this administration has done to this country, and the middle east...not to mention all the environmental regulations they relaxed, or did away with, so their enablers could make HUGE short term gains on the destruction of the natural world.
This administration doesn't care about anything or anyone that doesn't make them richer.
I know that the rest of the world hates us...we're not all idiots in this country. Some of us are trying to stop what this administration is doing around the world in our names!
Again thanks for the exellent post, you made at least one American think. ;)
Kucinich '08!!!
Yeah and unlike the Dems in Congress they don't take a stand for the cameras and then fold the moment they're turned off ;-(
Remember when all those European Union conspiracy theorists were talking 50 years ago. Remember when those crazy folks said the CFR doesnt exist.
Remember when those crazy padded wall folks like myself said that natural climate change would be exploited in order to justify global taxation and globalisation.
In the name of the father, and gore of the holy planet, amen.
"said Gore, who flew to Bali from Oslo, Norway, where he received..."
What kind of carbon footprint was left by that flight?
Which finger?
Moe Zilla @ 52:
Which does jay think's a hoax, global warming or the boosh "administration."
?
Jay @ 11:
Is there a twin?
I could use a couple of really big boobs right now.
John @ 23:
Hey JOHN, you need to flush your self, you are so full of it!
Gore is a fool. Anyone that believes this nonsense is equally as nuts.
No way would anyone that really believes we are destroying the planet with our lifestyle, live the way Al lives. If the carbon hoax were real Al is the problem, not the solution.
Has anyone noticed that the people that are shouting the loudest are doing the least? Has Europe met their Kyoto goals? How many tons of carbon were produced by this conference in Bali? How many tons does Al put in the atmosphere jetting around the world each year? How many Hollywood do gooders are walkin' the walk?
The US carbon output went down last year. We did better then the righteous environmentalists scammers in Europe bashing Bush. Wake up to this scam.
Have you noticed too that the discussion begins with taxes and money out of your pocket? How convenient.
Trust the UN? Are you kidding. The largest collection of criminals on the planet.
That's hot.
the Competitive Enterprise Institute's roster of global warming deniers can pound sand
bmw 528 @ 64:
You guys really need to work on your reading comprehension.
Once again, I dont disbelieve the tenets of GW, I just think that there have been better messengers to that effect than Al Gore. I dont trust those that have a record of "Do as I say and not as I do". Gore isnt the first, nor the greatest" messenger when it comes to environmental issues. There are those out there that walk the walk and talk the talk. Sorry, but Gore isnt one of them.
FYI, I have never read the book, but I own the movie and have seen it half a dozen times. Dont make assumptions about someone simply because they refuse to swallow everything Gore spews forth.
Rick G @ 75:
So your answer is...do nothing, then?
boosh's reaction to being fingered by Gore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYTLu93EDwE
"“My own country, the United States, is principally responsible for obstructing progress here in Bali,”"
Thank G*d!
TJ @ 69:
Funny you should say that because I can't recall reading the part of that article where Gore turned down your gracious offer to give him a lift on your rickshaw.
And what did Gore do when he actually had some power to make change? You folks know the answer.
ysbaddaden @ 73:
There's always Ron Paul....
:-)
I'm surprised the criminal Bush cabal is not trying to accuse Gore of treason for his remarks. Look at what they've done to Siegelman...
have the Gore attacks already started?
P.S.
did not Mr. Gore totally redo his 80 year old house to match the newest and best energy conservation available now?
mike @ 83:
Oooo...I know this one!
He got shafted by the GOP controlled Congress?
Rick G @ 75:
Europe as a whole will maybe not meet the Kyoto target. But we are still doing a lot better than the US. Europe emissions decreased about 1.5% since 1990. US increased by 16%. And under Bush phony GHG intensity goal, emissions are allowed to increase by another 10 percent or so by 2012.
But Europe is a very mixed bag. The countries with largest economies like Germany and UK have reduced their emissions significantly and are on track to meet their targets. My own country is also very close to our assigned target of -8%. Others like Italy and Spain are the exact opposite.
GoodGod @ 10:
There are about as many climatologists that agree and disagree wheather global warming is due to co2 emmissions. Did you ever consider that a large part of global warming is due to suns activity? What are you going to do about the sun.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life"
Carbon dioxide is the building block of life...and it has been decreasing over the last century.
Pillow Pants @ 87:
You're getting warmer (no pun intended) Try replacing "shafted" with "bought" and "GOP" with "corporate" and "Congress" with "political system" and you're home.
I have a question for all the trolls out there that think global warming is just some hoax by Al Gore. How many scientific papers have you seen? Can you give us some examples of peer reviewed papers where science has said man has not contributed to the effects of global warming? I don't think you can because there isn't any. I would love to see just one of you quote a real scientific paper that says global warming is a hoax. Wishfull thinking is not going to convince anyone that any of you know what the hell your talking about.
galmud @ 88:
I am so sick of you fat, lazy Americans. You (not all) are the biggest polluters ever. You put your fat assess in your big Hummers and SUV sucking up gas, sitting in long traffice jams poluting the air, you don't believe in subsidizing mass transfer because you are too lazy to walk. You constantly waste things and have no regard for the environment. I notice its the Republicans that are so against anything that will help the earth. I look at FOX News (expecially that Asshole Hannity) and see where you get this stuff. Always bitching about Al Gore, shooting the messenger and not listening to the message. Always concern about abortion and stem cells and don't give a dam after being born. How many of you pro live nuts would go into a buring building and save stem cells?
DiamondMC @ 91:
Well there's the fiction of Michael Crichton.
Gee, I wonder what fiction means.
Also, before one of you throw up that Mars is warming again, take the time first to read up on the orbits of planets that go around that thing called a sun.
The first stem cell research was when Even twisted the stem off the apple before proffering it to Adam.
DiamondMC @ 94:
Additionally Mars is an apple/orange argument. Mars has NO atmosphere to protect it like the Earth's should.
All of you "Greenies" should read this article and the signatories.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=164002
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DiamondMC @ 94:
Then again, let them throw up.
I think you ment Eve, put it really dosen't matter the trolls won't get it.
dana @ 97:
And what is your point? nobody has said that we can stop climate change. What we can do is try to minamize the effects on the human race. The planet will survive. The question is will the human race.
dana @ 89:
Wrong. The Sun is not the culprit. The output of the sun the TSI, has hardly changed since the 1950s (except the 11y cycles). At the same time temperatures have increased a lot.
And there are a whole lot more climatologists that support the AGW theory than there are those who do not support the theory. Whenever I see some new so called sceptic nonsense about global warming 99% of the time its always one of the usual dozen or two suspects. And few of them are credible (that is regularly published research in peer-reviewed science journals) many of them are merely PR experts not doing actual research, but giving talks, writing opinion pieces, and appearing on Fox News. Some like Tim Ball even lie about his scientific credentials. The sceptics are very vocal you might notice them more than the real scientists (who actually have a daytime job to take care of and not the time to appear on TV once a week) but the sceptics are in a vast minority.
DiamondMC @ 100:
You can minimize it, but you can't change the earths natural cycles. As far as I know, the human race has survived through many climatic changes through the last several thousands of years.
The biggest threat to humanity currently are the UN and globalists by the names of Rothschild's and Rockefeller's.
galmud @ 101:
You folks that don't believe in global warming. Ok, you are entitled to your opinion. Can we at least reach an agreement that we need to clean up the environment? We keep debating global warming, let concentrate on what we have in common.
galmud @ 101:
So you are saying the AGW theory is a unanimously accepted theory? Who are the signatories and whos interests do they serve?
http://www.mitosyfraudes.org/Calen/correlaEng.html
I think you have your info wrong. There is an increase in solar activity and corresponding temp increase accordingly.
http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/solar/lassen1.html
dana @ 102:
Agreed. Humans have survived many extreme climate events....but humans were a tougher sort back then...now...not so much...buncha lazy consumers, who couldn't hunt, fish, or scavenge,literally, to save their own lives.
dana @ 102:
Over 90% of all life that has been on this planet are extinct. They went extinct because they could not adapt to climate change. What the hell makes you think humans are any different? We are the only species that has the ability to alter our enviroment. Not to do so is just stupid.
Jay @ 78:
Feel free to take your own advice about reading comprehension and reread the last comment in my reply about solutions. And you will also note that I said that I did not say he was the best purveyor of the message or accept everything he claims verbatim, which is what you imply. Your opinion about Gore is just an opinion, not a fact. You are entitled to your opinion. So one more time, Jay, what's your solution other than to say that Al Gore apparently is not the best one? If you have a better idea---bring it on. We'll look forward to it.
dana @ 97:
Not at all surprisingly I recongnize many of the signatories. They are the usual suspects. Never let the PhD fool you. You judge a scientist by the research he or shes made in the relevant field not by a title. PhD says nothing and even professor could be misleading. Emeritus might sound impressive but usually it only means they are retired not conducting any research. An important fact to remember in a super fast advancing field such as climatology. Always check who the signatories are. What is their field of expertise? How many peer-reviewed articles have they published and in which journals and on what specifics. Lubos Motl to name one is a string physicist and has NO relevant experience in climatology.
Chemistry and physics might seem relevant but again unless you specifically have experience dealing with climate-related research that means little. Freeman Dyson is one of the world most famous and renowned physicists yes (and known climate sceptic) but again he has no real experience in climatology. Doesnt matter how famous and how renowned he is. He is no expert. There are many many scientists less renowned less known than he but who works day in and day out only with climatology of some form who I'd rather trust. Like for instance the IPCC-authors.
"Expert reviewer "is very misleading. While a majority IPCC expert reviewers are accomplished scientists in climate related fields, there is actually no requirement for an expert reviewer to be a scientist. So sceptics like Vincent Gray usually use that "title" to seem more involved and credible than he really is.
Besides the usual suspects I see a lot of people in economics, energy conversion, geo technology, engineering, logistics, statisicans. I see engineers and consultants.
Compare this list of all kinds of different scientists and non scientists with the several hundreds of scientists who wrote the IPCC-reports. Compare their credentials, their expertise, the number of published articles in climate related research. You will see that the IPCC - authors are much much more qualified. They are all real experts in their specific fields.
"W's WW" will be on by then and the environment will take a back seat. Hell, we may not even have a new president. Transition to a new government would be "dangerous to our national security" during a time of such global conflict.
one year and 40 days No way I can not take it any more
he must be impeached
if his job approval is around 30% then we must fire him
D to the Izzle @ 109:
Yeah, look what happened with Bush came on - 9/11. Hopefully, when the next President receives a daily presidential buletin that warned we are about to be attacked by aircrafts, he or she will not use the attack as excuse to go to war for oil and take away our civil rights.
dana @ 104:
As I said always check the sources. Eduardo Ferreyra who wrote the first link came up nothing on climatology or anything related to climate research in a google scholar search. So I wont even bother reading it because I cant trust the source. Seems to be the usual long since debunked counter arguments against global warming like the "what increased first CO2 or temperature?" nonsense
The second I think is an old danish article from the early nineties trying to correlate sunspot cycle length with temperature. That correlation has been proven to be incorrect. And as you can see the graphs stop in the late 80s thats also when any correlation stops. There have been several studies by diferent solar phycisists done in the last 5 years that comes to the same conclusion. Sun activity cannot explain the last 3 decades of global warming.
xoites defends Constitution @ 44:
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Chris - go suck on your tailpipe
Nice job on Gore to tell it like it is. He's not afraid to say what everyone there knows. Here's an update from one of our own team on the ground in Bali:
Anyone else who isn't in la-la land
http://realclimate.org
Big Coal's Dirty Plans for Our Energy Future (with shocking photos)
http://alternet.org/story/70475/
Big coal is hoping for government subsidies to replace oil. But its "clean coal" plan is an ecological nightmare for everyone. Scientists and environmentalists say "clean coal" does not exist; it is a misnomer and an oxymoron. The National Resources Defense Council has said, using the term "clean coal" makes about as much sense as saying "safe cigarettes." Physicist Karl Kruszelnicki states that coal companies "can only store 1,000th of 1 percent" of the CO2 they produce.
Anyone that doesn't believe in Global Warming being caused by C02 emissions, don't go to Vegas with those idiots...
John @ 68:
Yeah, lets just let the planet die, we can find another one. Hopefully the multinational corporations and ExxonMobil (richest entity since the Roman Empire) will take their world record breaking profits and start doing that....(fake Max Von Sydow voice) 'the power of the free market compells you'.....
If you're waiting for the 'invisible hand' to save you...good luck with that...
Starvation is coming. Watch food prices sky-rocket because farming depends on the climate we have NOW. A few degrees in temperature rise will destroy the very crops we depend on: Wheat, corn, etc. Doubt me? Look at the American south and Australia right now. At least the Australians have the balls and the brain sto throw the dumbass prime minister out (Howard is a Bush-buddy) and replace him with someone who's going to make it a priority. the Aussie's are an example for us all.
Why the hell are the right-wingers on the wrong side of history so much. Wake up dummies.
right wing hater @ 118:
If you're waiting for the 'invisible hand' to save you...good luck with that...
They want an invisible hand job?
If the cockroaches inherit the Earth, a million years later will there be a cockroach version of Springer?
And can cockroaches say their own name without giggling?
ysbaddaden @ 121:
Hehehehe. you said roach!
liberalNmoderation @ 122:
Hal Roach was always highlarious.
At 4:32PM ET or so, Wolf Blitzer, while interviewing Glenn Beck, just said, "Al Gore's global warming thesis"
I give up.
The world is flat.
Hank @ 124:
So's ann colter.
Global warming is real. I do not dispute that. What I find disturbing and what is being talked about at Bali. They are literally coming out and saying that the solution is transfer of wealth. First, I find that kind of funny seeing as how America has no money and needs to borrow it from other countries just to keep the government running. Second, transfer of wealth will not solve anything. That just an aid program on steriods and I have seen how well the aid programs are working. Taking the money and putting it into research to create the technology with a smaller carbon footprint will solve the problem. I would rather put the money towards real solutions than a UN mandated scheme for global governance. Until we have the technology all the "wealth" transfer will not do anything. I would rather see us out of the Middle East for security reasons than "burn" money chasing CO2. It's not like we can just throw a swicth and voila we have green power. Even if we start today, which we should, it will take some time until we can replace the existing coal powered capacity in the United States with something "green". Unless you are prepared for rolling black outs.
I truly doubt that it will be possible to reverse global warming just be addressing the tail pipe and smoke stack. We have no control on population and there does not seem to be a mandate to become vegeterians. I truly doubt that any scheme coming out of Bali will amout to a hill of beans. Let's make this simple. More people = more consumption = more CO2. More people = more meat consumed = more CH4. More people = more destruction to the earth. Take a look at a graph of CO2 and compare it to a graph of population. Funny how population goes up and CO2 goes up. Does anyone know if this being discussed in Bali?
You want to do something fine. Hold your breath for half an hour each day to reduce the CO2 that you respire (a little more than 2 pounds per person per day or with current population figures about 6.4 million tons of CO2 per day just from us breathing - what about insects?). That should help.
The real solution is simple. Increase the gas tax to make gas $5+ per gallon. Mandate better building methods and high efficiency appliances. Use geothermal pumps for heating and cooling. Put solar panels on the top of everyone's house. We don't need a world wide cabal telling us how to reduce CO2.
The right uses religious fear mongering and the left uses environmental fear mongering. The middle with all the common sense is left out of the debate.
What does his finger smell like now?
Jay @ 41:
You're voting Republican? Out of that field? LOL. Who do you think is a good GOP candidate? Just curious how far gone you are.
This country needs much more criticism than it's been getting for decades, from people abroad as well as its own citizens. Bush is the worst of the worse but it goes back at least 100 years. War crimes, pollution, exploitation, you name it this country has a horrible history. Gore put his finger on one good point, he is right, but look at the whole picture of devastation of people of the earth from empire.
galmud @ 112:
Excellent post. It's odd when someone wants their opinion to be right so badly that they'll trust old, dated, discredited theses over current ones widely accepted by the scientific community. There are tonnes of scientists who worked hard to disprove what Gore's team was saying. Why? Because that's what scientists do - it's the sincerest form of flattery. And through all of this, we become smarter and stronger as a species. (Furthermore, I bet that many researchers were also dubious of what was being said since it was coming from a career politician - which is fair.) In the end, the only people who believe they're 'debunking' Gore are "paid experts" and YouTube video bloggers. There is a reason for this.
The emphasis on opinions first, knowledge later in the U.S. and many other nations scares the crap out of me. People take up a position convenient to their own schema of interpretation and then try to find bits and pieces that back them up while ignoring, consciously or otherwise (social psychologists have proven this through testing) information that contradicts what they think they know. It's a control thing, because accepting how chaotic and nuanced the world is makes you feel - well, impotent.
No doubt that global warming is very debated. I, however, have never heard that man is causing global cooling. For this - all I can say is that I hope that the people that believe this is natural are not wrong. But if man is causing at least part of the problem then why not do all we can. One thing not in dispute is that we cannot continue to use non-renewable sources on energy forever.
Are you familiar with the ground floor movement to take solar to the masses by a company called Citizenre? They are trying market solar with an approach similar to satellite TV, cellular telephones, and alarm systems. That is to provide the customer a complete solar system with no upfront charges and make money from a service contract. In this case the service contract would be a rent agreement. They intend to put a complete solar system on clients home. When the system produces electricity, it will lower the bill from the current utility provider. In most cases the savings from the lower bill will more than cover the rent fee that the company intends to charge. The company currently has no product available but intends to deploy in the middle of 2008. They are currently taking reservations and have over 26,000 takers so far. I have written several articles on this company in my blog and even have a couple of videos that I have recorded at www.solarjoules.com. Feel free to take a look. I welcome comments. As in any start up business, a chance exists that they may never get off the ground and fulfill any preorders, but if this is the case - the potential client has not lost anything. If you cannot afford the upfront cost of solar today, this may turn out to be a great alternative. This solution would mean that we could produce at least a little less pollution and would be a great step "just in case". And hey, the fact that you will save money on your electricity bill over time is a pretty good reason to look into it as well.
If anyone would like company information you can go to www.jointhesolution.com/razmataz.
dana @ 89:
Dana, you are blatantly distorting the facts. Average background CO2 levels have increased from 320ppm to 370ppm (that's +15%) in just the last 50 years, an absolute blink in time compared to natural CO2 cycles. As to the scientific community, while there are some legitimate detractors about the consequences of this CO2 increase, (and a larger number on the American Enterprise Institute funded by Exxon/Mobile payroll who outright deny it's a problem), a vast majority believe that man-made global warming is reality (reality, what a concept, something you are apparently immune to).
Filthy Harry @ 21:
Huh? They are not applauding the United States here for the obstruction, they are applauding Gore for telling the truth.
I like global warming, more crops more useful land, sea levels rise 2-5 feet my beach house is ocean front. Its Dec 15 and its 80 degrees here. Don't tax me for being positive. Al Gore is a whore like all the Dems and Repubs
Tramps making money for their friends.
The world will adjust to all changes get over it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22226310/ Rising sea levels....................watch the video.
This kind of thing happens all the time in a Delta, 20 years is enough time for the people to move and adapt. There are people building in lots of stupid places, Southern Cal on a fault line, New Orleans below Sea level. Look at the positive,
Greenland is getting, well green again (as it was before) growing crops again. We cant stop Mother Nature so learn to live with it.
Shawnmeat @ 129:
Shawnmeat...why don't you post some links with hard facts so us "so called paid for" inquiring minds to churn with regards to your "scientific data"? If you can please so we can see both sides of the coin.
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