Olbermann to Matthews: 'This isn't Hardball, we're doing election results.'
By John Amato Tuesday Feb 19, 2008 11:01am
Well, it looks like Matthews has picked his candidate and his name is John McCain. Olbermann pokes Tweety in the eye because Matthews went off on State Sen. Kirk Watson, an Obama supporter, who was unprepared for this type of treatment on election coverage.
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Olbermann: In defense of Sen. Obama and also in context, can you name one accomplishment of the US Senate in the last seven years?
Matthews: That's a broader question requiring a larger preparation.
Olbermann: Yeah, you don't have an answer to that one either. (Studio laughs)
Matthews: Let me say...but you know what, Keith? They should be able to make some points..
Olbermann: I'm not disagreeing with you on that...In two weeks, Chris ...
Matthews: And I'm not here to defend the US Senate, he's here to defend Barack Obama and he had nothing in his---he had nothing to say. That's a problem.
Olbermann: In two weeks, Chris and I will have complete coverage of the primaries in Ohio and Texas, at which point I'm expecting a written reply to may...
Matthews: Why do you think they call it Hardball?
Olbermann: Alright, but this isn't Hardball, we're doing election results. (more laughter)
Matthews: Well, you know...it's late at night...
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When is MSNBC going to realize that Matthews just isn't cutting it?
They want to be taken seriously as "the place for politics" correct?
I feel very sorry for Keith...
Go Keith!!!
Mr. Olbermann has more intelligence and integrity in his pinky toe than all the cable network talking heads combined.
That was a classic! Thank you for posting this I was waiting for the tail end of the Matthews piece to come up. Keith fried him, he did not look happy.
All and all as a regular viewer of MSNBC... I know call me crazy, I thought Chris was trying to make up to the Clintons and all the blogosphere for his feeling Obama up his leg comments last week. If so he was successful. I thought it was a legitimate question but the hostile follow up after the guy admitted he couldn't answer made Chris look terrible as did the other gloating clintonite... you don't kick a man in the balls like that after he was gutted on tv already. Also no similar question to the gloater, that was lopsided too.
None of Obama's surrogate will be without an answer to Matthew's question. It's an ugly moment but maybe it did the Obama campaign a favor.
Chris Matthews is dumber than ten dogs.
Chris Matthews is simply a puke. The entire segment was pushed to embarrass the Obama supporter. When the question is asked and not answered it is time to move on. Not the puke, he has to hold the man down and piss on him. He is a puke!!!
I hope Olbermann can successfully remove Matthews from sharing his camera. Tweety is just hurting Olbermann at this point.
It was completely disrepectful for Tweety to jump that guy like that. Why even put up a Clinton supporter on the split screen if you plan on doing the supporting personally?
Good stuff. Seems like Matthews would have developed a throat problem by now from yelling so much, but the little SOB keeps on ticking. I keep thinking one day I'll see him out in front of the White House yelling to himself with all the other insane folk.
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Clinton's supporter didn't name any real bills that Hillary introduced, only vague statements that Hillary supports blah, blah, blah. She could have mentioned that Hillary supported the flag burning amendment and cluster bombs but she purposely excluded these. She could also have mentioned that Hillary voted for the Iraq resolution and the Iran resolution. Scratch the surface of Hillary and you get Republican Lite.
Chris Matthews is choosing a loser if he is supporting McCain. There are 2 to 3 times more Democrats than Republicans voting in the primaries. What's that tell you? McCain will be another Bob Dole. Boring and bringing us 4 more years of Bush.
Thank You Keith.
Hard for me to see the context here. Exactly what was that guest supposed to be defending Senator Obama from? If he "had nothing" perhaps that was because there was nothing to defend.
Wow. So thats what happens when you put a journalist and a pundit together. The journalist shames the pundit.
That Olbermann has to remind Matthews what program he was on just shows what kind of mindless, on-automatic, free-association garbage we get from most pundits.
To all you Obamabots: This has been the MSM's [whose misogynistic wrath knows no bounds] plan all along--use Obama to destroy Hillary and then destroy Obama to elect McCain [who they will beatify]!
You are being lulled into thinking that all of those voters that are going to Obama now will be with him in the fall--think again. Many of them are Repugs who became "Dems for a Day," as per instructions from Rush and the rest of the right-wing talk show thugs. That's what will happen in TX, too. I have friends there who say that it's all over RW talk radio to do so.
When McCain is sworn in next January, all of the Hillary supporters will continue to remind you Obamazoids that WE TOLD YOU SO, over, and over, and over, and over again!
Every time an election year rolls around, Tweety breaks out his extreme reich-wing hat and gladly shills the [low life] level of Faux.
Geez, even Huffington didn't try to spin this story. This is telling.
pedagog1 @ 15:
I live in Houston and have no idea what you are talking about.
yeah i agree...if obama gets the nomination mccain will be the next president. why do you think republicans have been shelling out the behind the scene cash and support for obama? and why do democrats always fall for republican shell games?
More proof that Matthews doesn't belong on the airwaves. Olbermann is doing some real damage to his reputation hanging out with that tool.
good luck with that pedagog1 all anyone right or left had to do was watch the two speeches last night. Your boy was old, tired and War War War, Experience Schmerience with his stepford wife next to him to a crowd of 30 crusty white folk. Good luck with that!
Tucker Carlson's Bowtie @ 20:
I was thinking MSNBC is doing real damage to THEIR reputation putting people on like that.
Mathews is SUCH a dick.
While everything re Matthews is valid, that does not mitigate the disaster that was State Senator Kirk Watson. Jesus Christ. That man and everyone who played a part in selecting him for this show need to dig a hole in the woods and sit in it for a while. Truly disgusting and embarrassing for Obama and American politics.
Freakaloin @ 19:
5 weeks ago the pundits were claiming that Obama was untouchable and that Hillary would get beat from McLame because she would energize the reich-wing base. All these simpleton predictions are obtuse.
Well you know what, Tweety? You're an asshole!
pedagog1 @ 15:
It's nice to see how disparate you are. Grasping at thin air, are we?
The troll table is by the door. Sit there and keep quiet. Just observe. You might learn a thing or two.
I saw Chris on "Morning Joe" talking about how great he was for asking this and how it just may become a story now.
I'm so sick of his crap. Good for Kieth Olberman for putting him in his place.
pedagog1 @ 15:
Who's to say McCant will even be alive by next January? Look at him!! He looks like he's ready to fall over. Hell by next fall, the supporters around him will be dead too, or will be so damn senile that they'll forget just who the hell he is. That's the danger of courting the old age homes. Sure they may support you now, but next week there may be Bingo, or they may be dead.
Chris....Dude you're embarrassing yourself going one on one against Keith. Matthews isn't comfortable unless he's bullying and dominating his usually submissive guest.
tweety hoisted by his own petard! priceless!
Wow, could Matthews have been more of a prick last night??? What's he doing - trying to prove his "relevance" in front of Keith Olbermann, who most believe has far more clout at MSNBC than anyone except Dan Abrams???
Hey Chris, take a pill - I understand you were taking a stance that most journalists should have within the political arena, but you don't have to be an asshole about it and humiliate someone on live television! What's your problem???
We all know Obama needs to prove he's something more than inspiration, but to make the point at the expense of making one of his supporters look like a fool so you look smarter than him wasn't the best way to handle it!
Control yourself, Tweety!!!
Mr. Obama WILL run right over McCain. Mr. Obama is NOT winning primaries left and right because he is unpopular. You must understand that the people of this nation are SICK AND TIRED of the GOP. McCain has brought NOTHING to the table except puking out support for GWB's failed legacy. Sure, there will be people who vote for McCain because a young black man with MORE intelligence in his pinky than many on the right have in their ENTIRE BLOOD LINE may take the office. Sure... the fact is that either Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton WILL BE the next President of the USA, and the FACT is that the USA will be better off with either of them than with ANY GOP candidate... that is a given.
Lister @ 24:
Yep. ALL politicians should be embarrassed by that performance. You are to go onto the media, and you are that clueless? Who voted for this moron?
Matthews is the most obnoxious of all the talking heads and the most difficult to stomach. I like Tim Russert.
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pedagog1 @ 15:
As Fonzie would say,"Exacta mundo". Great job and absolutely spot on!
The whole thing kind of reminded me of tweety's appearence on THE DAILY SHOW . He was totally owned by Jon Stewart and couldn't give an answer to any of the questions posed by Jon . His phony book he was plugging just didn't hack it and he melted down in front of everyone watching , claiming it to be the worst interview ever , and thanks to him it was for him I myself could hardly stop laughing ....
McCain and the GOP have nothing for America--unless you think more war, death and debt are something America wants. McCain is on the wrong side of Bush's Iraq mess and Obama will kick his ass in this debate point. Because one congressman couldn't push back on Matthews' gotcha is not going to stop Obama's nation-wide message and momentum.
Plisko @ 28:
What?! Are you kidding!? Jebus, Tweety rather be part of the "news" than report the "news".....no different than Bill-O.
The best thing that could have happened. I am about to go up to Ohio to work for the Obama campaign, and you bet your ass I will be prepared. I have a list of pros and cons for myself for both Obama and Clinton, and now I will add a list of accomplishments and 4 or 5 major policy stances and differences. (Iraq, Health Care, Social Security, Immigration, Open government and the Economy which is really just all the ones before)
Man, KO slices, dices, and serves Tweety up on a platter.
Thank you MSNBC for showing some real intelligence in putting Olbermann in the anchor chair for your election coverage.
Tweety was a prick, and the Obama spokesperson was caught with his brain on zombie. Keith rocked the mic, and left Tweety pink, not his usual yellow. I enjoyed it. I'm glad I didn't turn off the TV before that.
"thats why this is Hardball"
what an burro's behind.
it's almost like the democrats are in on the rig...this should be the easiest time in recent history for a democrat to win the white house, yet they send up a broadly hated woman and a inexperienced black man for their choices for nominee. this isn't the time to experiment with the boundaries of tolerance and equality...it time get these nutcases out of power. is democracy dead in america?
If Tweety had been unbiased, he would have asked the Hillary supporter the same question. Listed below are links to their stats.
Note that Hillary has been in the Senate three years longer.
Hillary Clinton
Sponsored Bills:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300022&tab=bills
Barack Obama
Sponsored Bills:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629&tab=bills
Good job, Tweety, you acted like a biased buffoon.
pedagog1 @ 15:
You have already been lulled into the somnolence of sHillary's inevitability! Not sorry to burst your bubble!
Give it up Tweety.
If Olbermann wanted to, he would chew you up and spit you out and make it look like you did it to yourself.
Poor, poor Tweety. I think Olbermann just gave you some hard ball.
Sadly, while rude, padagog1 is probably right. Not that I think HRC stands much of a chance against McCain either. The corporate media wanted McCain in 2000, and were forced to settle for Bush. Now, they will get their reward.
My take? The whole of the South and the Sun Belt unwinnable for either Obama and HRC. Throw in AZ, and probably NM, for McCain, and MO as well. OH? McCain. ID? McCain. Utah? McCain. Done and done. The Democratic party doesn't have a prayer in the General. I suspect that the GOP will cut the new Dem majority in the House to a razor margin and retake the Senate.
Tweety the Twit. Pundits aren't just useless they are FUCKING useless. Nicely done Keith.
Obama is the Democratic Party frontrunner for President of the United States; but nobody can name any of Obama's accomplishments as an elected official. That's downright frightening.
Please show the entire video to be fair.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/19/chris-matthews-humiliates_n_874...
Freakaloin @ 43:
You're an asshole.
Max Renn @ 47:
My comment on this observation? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This MUST be Karl Rove posting here like his prediction in 2006. You just keep telling yourself that. Why? I like the amusement factore. And again:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
abob @ 49:
See post number 44
I think Matthews thinks the network isn't MSNBC - It's the Hardball Channel - All Tweety, All the Time!
Matthews is jerk and he needs to go - right after Tucker, who has the worst performing show on the network and recently hosted Roger Stone the founder of C.U.N.T., an infantile and profane anti-Clinton site.
When it is Clinton Vs. Obama, the press chose Obama... But the press love for Obama will never compete with the love for St. McCain. Sadly, things are only going to get worse for him if/when he becomes the nominee. Hopefully he is ready for the press backlash that is waiting in the wings.
Good job, Tweety! Personally, I wish more people would do what Matthews did. We get all these talking bobbleheads who just spew talking points, but know nothing more beyond them. Matthews busted the guy because the man didn't know anything about the candidate he was hawking for. Score one for Tweety. I think Keith's jibe was good natured. Every bobblehead should be challenged. I only wish Tweety had done this to the bobbleheads during the run up to the war.
Cheney @ 51:
maybe, but i want the same things you want...but just you wait and see...mccain will win if obama is the dem nominee...too bad dems couldn't just play it safe this time around...
Damn, I wish we could elect Olbermann president.
SmallAxe--If you read my post correctly, you could figure out that I'm a Hillary supporter. I wouldn't vote for McCain if he were the last candidate on earth, BUT, I won't vote for Obama either. He's a shill for George Soros and the New Age crowd--not my "cup of tea."
I'm a Boomer who marched for civil rights in the '60s, for women's rights, and for gay rights. But now I'm told that I'm passe, and that the fights of the past are over and we must move on. Oh yeah? What about all of the misogynistic verbiage from the MSM and the Obama campaign? How about the distortion of Bill Clinton's "fairytale" quote by Axelrod & Co.? What about that anti-gay preacher that is Obama's spiritual leader?
All of you teens and twenties kids who are Obama supporters, get a history textbook and read it and see what still needs to be done and what we over-50 crowd actually DID DO. We weren't only dreamers--we put our butts on the line in Birmingham, Selma, during Freedom Summer, went to Nam [58,000 of us died there], got arrested and went to jail for women's rights and gay rights. Like Obama and Michelle, you all talk a good tune, but what have you done lately???
abob @ 49:
You didn't read this, did you?
Note that Hillary has been in the Senate three years longer.
Hillary Clinton
Sponsored Bills:
http://www.govtrack.us/congres.....;tab=bills
Barack Obama
Sponsored Bills:
http://www.govtrack.us/congres.....;tab=bills
oh and i forgot to mention...if hillary wins the nomination she won't be much different than mccain...
Maybe Keith will honor Chris with worst person.
Too bad he can't.
Is tweety asking anyone about the missing Obama votes in New York?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/20/bloomberg-fraud-behind_n_87564....
"We have to vet the guests occasionally to see if they have something to say" WTF? Chris vetting is something that is done BEFORE YOU PUT THEM ON THE AIR. And if had vetted these guests, you would have relaized that the woman had worked with Hillary on specific legislation and therefore could comment on it while Kirk had not!
Chris, you're just angry that Keith called you out, then corrected you that indeed this was not Hardball.
LegallyBlonde @ 2:
Do what I did.......write them and tell them.
hardball@msnbc.com
ezpz--What about all of the missing Obama votes in the Seante? Since the campaign started, Hillary has returned to the Senate to vote over 55% of the time, Obama less than 35% of the time, and McCane less than 28% of the time.
Who takes their work more seriously?????
Freakaloin @ 57:
Listen, the fact that you wish something, doesn't make it so. McCain doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell against Obama. I could sit here and explain it all to you, but something tells me you're in it for the entertainment value and aren't looking to learn a thing or two. SO I'm not going to waste my time on you. Just look at what all the polls say about McCain vs. Obama. They speak for themselves.
pedagog1 @ 65:
Yeah, Hilary's votes have serious consequences. How many dead and wounded in Iraq?
She has blood on her hands. That's pretty serious.
Cheney @ 51:
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cheney might be an asshole but the facts are the facts. repubs and even lots of dems will crawl out of the woodwork to vote against any black or female candidate. it's ugly but i worry it will put mccain in the w.h. my mom feels the same way and she is scary right about these things.
remember kerry? best candidate or the one the media and the estab picked for us? edwards was electable so the usual powers pushed him aside for the dem candidates that they think can be beaten most easily or is the most malliable when they get into office.
p.s. when mccain wins notice his running mate cause mccain will not last long as the actual president. they want a pres who runs around looking like a twat attacting attn. while their cheney runs it all from behind the curtain. mccain might not want to play his role properly--he might have to suddenly have an old age problem or a plane crash problem.
so, as a supporter of hope, suddenly I have to be an expert in the business of the Senate... Matthews is a jackhole who deserved that spanking from Olberman. Did he even bother to put Stephanie Tubbs Jones on the spot like that? Of course not - but she was loving every minute of it - collusion, anyone?
I'm sick of all the babbling heads - Olberman excluded, and Moyers - they think they're so fucking smart, and then Rudy happens, then Thompson happens, then Mitt happens, and now Hillary happens... and they can't believe that their predictions could be so wrong. Because they're so fucking brilliant.
Brilliant my ass - this is the year of the people. See, I know the people, and Chris Matthews you are no people.
pedagog1 @ 59:
Careful there. The youngsters might also learn about what the boomers did with the Reagan era. - namely, to bankrupt the country and create an uber-wealthy class. I'm sure that YOU had no part in this but don't be so willing to attack the younger generation when your own won't hold up to close scrutiny.
By the way, I'm not one of the youngsters.
What's the big deal? They got hours of time to kill on the cable networks and Matthews asked a few tough questions to a guy who should have had a canned response. These are the type of questions that any candidate representative should be prepared to answer. (And I'm an Obama supporter)
pedagog1 @ 59:
So you'll vote for mccain rather than Obama? How does that help your cause?
And no, I'm not a "teen" or "twenty". I was in Grant Park at the '68 convention in Chicago and saw my brother get his head busted by a cop.
Yeah, go ahead and vote for Mr. 100 years of war.
You aren't fooling anyone here.
haven't followed politics long cheney? half the country hates hillary by default. half the country hates black ppl by default. maybe obama can get the south in the dem primaries, but in the general election he is screwed. ever talk to the everyday ppl in the south?...
pedagog1 @ 65:
Great. So she voted with Lieberman to bomb Iran a couple of times. That doesn't make her a "better" candidate. Who exactly are her constitutes?
Even if it's not hardball, tweety has a point. The dems need to anticipate all the bullshit that will be thrown at them and be prepared, even if the answer is as simple as telling these assholes that they can loog it up in: a) the congressional record; b) http://www.votesmart.org/ ; c) http://www.govtrack.us/ ; d) Obama's website or Hillary's website.
Tweety might be a piece of shit for not challenging the repug, but the Dems should expect that by now.
pedagog1 @ 65:
explain the telecom immunity vote, please
Tweety last nite was obviously hitting the sauce again while on the job..... Matthews needs rehab... I'm tried of hearing from these drunk old white men.
Cheney, when the MSM starts to finally vet Obama, let's see how he stacks up to McCain.
Obama is copying Deval Patrick's campaign in 2006 in MA. The voters there bought his "change" meme and were enamored with his oratory. Now, his poll numbers are plummeting--MA voters are having buyer's remorse. He hasn't made good with one of his major campaign promises, the state's economy is shot, and he can't seem to wade his way through the state legislature well. Maybe that's why Hillary won MA so substantially in spite of the Kennedy "machine" there.
Richard, I agree. I am an Obama supporter, though I also think Hillary is just fine. Matthews was just trying to stop a guy from giving a canned talking response. I wish more "guests" on these pundit shows would be challenged like this. I loved when Ari Fleisher was challenged by someone to name the soldier used in the Freedom's Watch ad. We need to know who is real and who is just a sock puppet.
Freakaloin @ 73:
great generalizations! do you call that thinking?
BlueStater @ 74:
Let's be clear. I DON'T think she's a better candidate. I think she's a lousy candidate and if the god forbid she's the nominee, it's a sure McCain win.
I was simply responding to the "serious" comment with a touch of sarcasm.
Obama '08
jen8933 @ 68:
Nice use of multiple names. Move on. You need to grow up. End of discussion.
pedagog1 @ 78:
maybe chainey will be the vp running mate again....
CoIntelPro@75:
You're right but I still liked your comment in the other thread better when you referred to Tweety as a "cologne sniffer" ;)
abob @ 49:
The way you frame that accusation one could say the exact same thing about Hillary.
lol...cheney is delusional...just like obama supporters.
uh, when has introducing BILLS become a requisite to becoming President?
BlueStater - Never mind. I see you were talking to pedagogi.
It's been a while since I've posted here and I'm not used to this new commenting system.
I remember the ol' Haloscan.
pedagog1 @ 65:
Easy answer. Obama. Hillary hasn't voted on anything since Feb. 6. Included in that was a amendment to protect rape victims from HIV/AIDS. Wow she would be a great President huh?
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pedagog1 @ 59:
Sounds more like you're incensed because you're not being given enough respect. There's really not that much difference between Hillary and Obama in their platforms. I will vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination. If you really want to sit out the election because Obama didn't give boomers enough respect (I'm a boomer, doesn't bother me), go ahead and give the White House back to the GOP. Just don't come back here and complain.
Yes, Obama is appealing specifically to the young. That's smart, because they've been sitting out recent elections, and they could really make a difference in this election. Sorry your feelings got hurt. Here's a Kleenex.
All of you idiots who continue the meme that Hillary "VOTED FOR THE WAR" should actually read the proposal. Obama campaigned for Liebermann, too, and has voted for every spending bill on the war since he's been in the Senate. The fact that he wasn't in the Senate at the time that the war "vote" came up does not make me think that he wouldn't have voted FOR it as well, since he's never voted for anything that has been controversial because he's been planning for a run for president for many years.
How do you all explain his lack of courage here? If he was so adamantly against the Iraqi war, why didn't he lead the charge in the Senate to stop the funding? He's got all of you so bamboozled, that you can't think straight. Why didn't he have the courage of a Paul Wellstone--now he was a mensch and a real progressive!!! Obama is a phony!!!!
pedagog1 @ 59:
Easy boomer man... I'm a 40 year old tail end boomer as well. Listen to her speech vs. Obama's and get on board. I worked for the Clintons in the 90s and respect their work but it is time for a change and a guy like this doesn't come around well not since Bill in 92 but it's 2008 now and her vote on Iraq and the recent Kyl Lieberman on Iran was all I needed to make my decision that I was voting for Barack. I would welcome your vote too when you wake up and realize she is done.
i don't get it. don't these idiots know how to use the google? obama has legislative accomplishments. they make it sound like he doesn't. isn't it their job to do the research?
LINK!
Barack will handle all comers. A major problem with politics is somehow, whatever is said (or not) makes it true. Swift boaters for truth, Iraq WMD, blah blah blah. Hillary falls into the the same camp. I can name one damning vote Hillary cast. She voted for invading Iraq with CONVICTION. Where TF is that conviction today? Want some Obama legislation? The Lobbying and Ethics Reform Act co-authored with Senator Feingold.
Meanwhile, the sore losers revert to rethug fear mongering...like that is going to work.
Obama '08
aboab@49
"nobody" can name his accomplishments? Or the one dude they had on a tv show last night? I was waiting for Matthews to turn to the Clinton surrogate and ask the same question. She kept saying "I can name Hillary's accomplishments" but she didn't.
I agree, that Watson was horrible, but the Clinton surrogate wasn't asked the same question and put on the spot like that, was she?
Bogie @ 90:
There sure are a lot of us oldsters here eh?
And you're right on with your comment. You're only as irrelevant as you allow yourself to be and I welcome the influx of young voters. Maybe they can pick up where we left off.
First of all, I'm not a boomer man, and I'll never vote for Obama. I will leave the presidential lever up and vote only down ticket.
Change, in and of itself, is not automatically a good thing. Ronald Reagan was a big change, and see where that got the nation.
I want someone in the White House who is a hard-worker and "present" all of the time, not just when it's convenient.
Sounded like Chris Matthews was trying to get back at Zell Miller or taking cues from him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e54Ic1OFpsE
pedagog1 @ 91:
I don't buy the war line, never have. I did find it interesting that Hillary didn't even bother to show up to vote on the telecommunications immunity bill.
You ask some good questions, why didn't Hillary do all those things? She worked with her husband to bring us NAFTA, know she says she regrets it. She voted to TRUST GEORGE BUSH WITH IRAQ, now she says she regrets it and was taken advantage of. Sorry, I need someone with a little more intelligence and a little less whining.
Jeff @ 93:
No, it's their job to parrot the talking points before scurrying back to little green phlegmballs.
Notice to MSNBC: Every time Matthews comes on my TV, I change the channel. Sorry, Keith, but you understand.
MSNBC should seriously consider renaming his show to "Goofball" and replacing him on election night coverage with Rachel Maddow. Pairing Chris Matthews with Keith Olbermann is like pairing Bill O'Reilly with Edward R. Murrow.
This country hasn't accomplished much in decades.
In order to "accomplish" things in Congress, you have to conform. You have to build coalitions with the right-wing, who, if they could, would ruin this country. Conformity is killing us. If Obama wins the presidency, I hope it inspires us to actually win a working majority to pass real and meaningful reforms in education, labor, and healthcare. As much as I like Obama's message to bring all Americans together, there's a significant percentage of the population who is simply misguided on every major issue. Those people are evangelicals, southern racists, and foreign policy conservatives. In other words, most Republicans. You can't expect good results if you compromise with them because those people are not just wrong on issues, they are miles away of even being moderate.
I firmly believe that the majority of people in this country are progressives, and if they are as motivated to vote as evangelicals have been for the last thirty years, we could see some real changes in the future. Electing someone like Obama is not enough, we have to have huge majorities in Congress. We have the cities, we have a growing Latino minority, we have blacks, we have young people. It's an unbeatable coalition. It's just a matter of going out and vote.
Blue Lensman @ 70:
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it is so silly for anyone to break ppl up into groups like that 'women think this' 'latinos all do that' 'boomers are such and such' just like you don't think exactly what your next door neighbor or brother or mate thinks ALL ppl of any certain age grouping don't all march to the same drummer....i know old and new bums.
pedagog1 @ 97:
WOW. How American of you. You have the right to vote but your not going to. Great. Why are you here commenting on a political blog? Why don't you just stick your head back in the sand and hum your favorite tune?
Jeff @ 93:
There's a new type of troll in town. It used to be that once in a blue moon, some hillbilly would post and prove how shallow and thoughtless most of the drones who continue to support the GOP are. But, recently, they come in here and try to get everyone riled up. They go after Hillary and then a couple of posts down they go after Obama and then get off on watching Democrats argue amongst themselves. Such are juvenile brains. What can you do? The racist idiot a few posts up is a shining example of that. Apparently he's got his finger on the pulse of the nation better than all the political analysts and statisticians out there.
nobody watches these shows anyway, their ratings are lower than hockey.
pedagog1 @ 91:
I am always interested in this angle: if you are really against the war you will vote not to fund it. I don't think I could vote against troops that were already on the ground. How do you deny funding to people that are already in harms way? How do you deny combat pay to nat. guard troops, body armor, healthcare, pay raises, ammunition etc. etc. etc. to people who are already there and are not going to be brought home? It's simply not a black and white issue. It is more complicated than just saying I am against war, so no funding. There are real people affected by not funding what is already happening. So, I couldn't vote against finding and I sure don't hold it against someone else.
pedagog1 @ 97:
Now you say you're "not a boomer"?
So when you claimed to be a boomer who marched for civil rights at comment #59 you were just joking?
Go away.
Tweety only has soft balls.
Hardballs sounds like the name of a dance club for really buff gays.
Scy @ 52:
Well, al least you're guffawing past the graveyard instead of whistling past it. Good luck with it.
I am basically a yellow dog. I will vote for Barak Obama or HRC in the General, and any other Dem on the ticket with the exception of folks like Wynn.
I think, however, that 'Scy' et. seq., you're being naive. McCain is the candidate of the military-industrial complex, and is also the darling of the media. Soon, the Right will solidify behind him.
It's going to be 24/7/365 'Michelle Obama is a traitor.' 'Obama was a Red Diaper Baby.'
If these kinds of things could be overcome, I would be thrilled with this country. But look at Matthews. Look at Kristoff. They are prepped. McCain's the guy.
It's over long before it's over.
pedagog1 @ 97:
OK, since you're willing to not vote Democratic and possibly allow a Repug to win, I have two possible explanations for you:
1. You're a racist who doesn't think a black man can do the job, because like all of them, he is "lazy."
Or:
2. You're really a Repug troll, who is scared to death of Obama because he can beat McCain, so you're desperate to get people to vote for Hillary, who you think will lose to McCain.
If you really think Obama's message is "change, in and of itself," you need a remedial reading program.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 109:
Don't you see? She is a boomer women.......
Michael @ 40:
Hillary couldn't get her thousand page health care plan passed the first time. What would make anyone think that this time it would be different? Hillary is a micro manager and she has a strong need to control everything.
What is wrong with your reading comprehension abilities people? I said that I wasn't a boomer MAN--I'm a 50+ WOMAN!!! And I didn't say that I wasn't going to vote this fall [I've always voted --my first presidential vote was for McGovern!!], but I will not vote for a presidential candidate if Hillary is not on the ballot. COMPRENDE????
OBAMA won by 17 percentage points in Wisconsin!!! Now that is News.
sorry site monitor, i'm jen8933 on some sites...my bad--sorry cheney i guess you're kind of right but sometimes there is more than one person who disagrees with you, grow a little thicker skin, and grow up.
Cats r Flyfishn @ 114:
And Michael, good luck in Ohio. The Obama surge is taking over PA. Hillary couldn't get Delegates in all the districts. I believe there are eleven districts where no one got a petition signed for Hillary. Obama has Delegates and substitutes in all the districts in PA. What's that tell you? Go Barack. Get that freaking elephant off my chest.
Well, al least you're guffawing past the graveyard instead of whistling past it. Good luck with it.
I am basically a yellow dog. I will vote for Barak Obama or HRC in the General, and any other Dem on the ticket with the exception of folks like Wynn.
I think, however, that 'Scy' et. seq., you're being naive. McCain is the candidate of the military-industrial complex, and is also the darling of the media. Soon, the Right will solidify behind him.
It's going to be 24/7/365 'Michelle Obama is a traitor.' 'Obama was a Red Diaper Baby.'
If these kinds of things could be overcome, I would be thrilled with this country. But look at Matthews. Look at Kristoff. They are prepped. McCain's the guy.
It's over long before it's over.
You seem to forget about the youth coming out in droves for Obama. They don't care about the Kristoff's and the Matthews because they are old crusty white guys. McCain himself is old and crusty, and exactly what the youth do not want to see as their President. Obama is young and not white - on that alone he will win, everything else is gravy.
And how many of those voting in an open primary with same-day registration in WI were Repugs, who figured that McCain had the nomination locked up? RW talk shows were telling Repugs to register and vote Dem in many states. Don't be lulled into thinking that Obama has as much support as he has. In the fall, McCain will get a large part of his current votes because they are really Repugs and right-leaning Indies.
pedagog1 @ 115:
Easy, there. Well, it's certainly your choice not to vote. It's not a good choice, but it's your choice.
Obama/Edwards '08 @ 113:
Although this newbie is probably only yanking on our leash there is one other possibility. People in their mid to late 20's, with some older, were in the Civil Rights marches of the 60's. The last of the Baby Boomers were born in around 1963 and would've been too young for such marches.
Tweety learned the 'gotcha' moment from the constipated Timmy Russert. They all sing from the same hymnal.
pedagog1 @ 115:
As is your right, but it's too bad. Given the alternatives, your civic duty seems to me to lie in keeping McCain out no matter what. I intend to work to that end, frankly, but as I've noted, I'm doing it with a heavy and cynical heart.
When the Party screwed Lamont, it really indicated to me that only under the most limited of circumstances would any of the big players embrace even a rhetorical gesture to change.
That said, McCain will be a disaster. At the moment, I feel he's an inevitable one, largely due to attitudes like yours, and to some extent, my own-I agree that despair doesn't help, but I see little to hope for on the horizon.
Pedagog1 makes some very good points but most of you dismiss it because you are too blind and gullible. The MSM eviscerated and berated Al Gore, John Kerry and so many other worthy people in our democratic party. Joe Biden's career was hurt due to plagiarism, John Edwards was demolished with his $400 haircut, Dennis Kucinich, who has been right on all the issues was labeled a "kook" . The MSM wants a Republican in the White House and will use any tactic to achieve this. They annihilated hillary and downplayed Obama's flaws. Hillary is out and now it's on to knocking out Obama. And yes, Obama is getting more votes from Indep and Repub than of Democrats. Check the overall stats. The question I ask is will these Repugs and Ind support him in Nov?? Time will tell so just hold all your insults because my mother taught me never to spit in the wind.
pedagog1 @ 65:
What were those votes for? The majority of what he missed was for amendments to various spending bills, and the vote to condemn MoveOn.org for the General Petraeus ad. Oooooo! (insert sarcasm here) Those were important.
Geez, goes to show that you can do anything with statistics.
Anyone who buys into this talking point that Obama does not have legislative creds or accomplishment is being plainly obtuse, none more so than Chris Matthews. Matthews, in fact, borrows his talking points from others within the pundit class noise machine and does no research on his own. By actually researching the claims he regurgitates he'd quickly learn how full of shit he and his fellow travelers are. The big question I have here though is where did legislative accomplishment ever come into Matthews's equation for political validity? All I have ever heard from him is unseemly man-crushes in which a manly swagger and manly musk suffices to make someone presidential.
John McCain has had more positions than the kama sutra.
His speech should be "Lets all be miserable twats as there is no hope just gloom, lets hide under the table and wait for the bomb to drop, were doomed i tell ye DOOMED"
very inspiring stuff
pedagog1 @ 59:
Well said! I was probably standing next to You,back then. Good Health and Long Life to You.
pedagog1 @ 115:
LOL I knew the "boomer woman" comment was coming. And in fact you did say that you were not going to vote this Fall and you just restated. Hillary will not be on the ballot, and if she isn't, then you will not vote, therefore you will not vote.
Therefore you choose to ignore a right that was given to you by many people who marched and fought and did all the things that you were just chastizing young people for not doing. Interesting irony isn't it?
What has McCain accomplished? Little beyond burnishing his reputation.
I'll gladly admit that Obama isn't nearly as accomplished as the other two....
"I voted for the war in Iraq"
[x] Sen. Clinton
[x] Sen. McCain
[ ] Sen. Obama
Sam Cooke said it best, "A change is gonna come".
Obama 08!
Obama/Edwards '08 @ 119:
You seem to forget about the youth coming out in droves for Obama. They don't care about the Kristoff's and the Matthews because they are old crusty white guys. McCain himself is old and crusty, and exactly what the youth do not want to see as their President. Obama is young and not white - on that alone he will win, everything else is gravy.
I beg to differ. It's not McGovern I see in Obama. It's Adelai Stevenson. And that really scares me. It also makes me profoundly sad. Both are great speakers, good thinkers, and fine men.
If I thought that Obama would offer, and Edwards would accept, the VP slot, then it would change my opinion significantly about how Obama actually plans to attack economic issues in the US. I see little evidence of this outcome.
Matthews belongs on Faux Noise. Maybe Dan Abrams will suggest a change of employers.
@125
Time will tell if all of these people took the time to go to the polls just to nominate someone they didn'twant, I guess. I was surprised that my 50+ evangelical mother-in-law told me she voted for Obama. She said she couldn't stand the thought of McCain and his 10+ more years in Iraq. So, that while Obama supported some things she didn't like (typical evang stuff) that he was the right one to move the country in a new direction. People do unexpected things.
All of you sore fucking LOSERS are killing me with your limp dick excuses for why Obama is somehow spanking Hillary's wide flat butt. Hillary's campaign SUCKS!(and not like Monica L) She makes my ears bleed and then puts me to sleep when she speaks. Obama's a natural .350 hitter who seems to have special talents. Hillary's an old vet hitting .267 yet feels she's a better player. And yes people, words and believing do matter ( MLK,Hilter,Lincoln,etc.)
Michael, How old are you? How short is your memory??? I admit that Hillary made mistakes, but the Congress was in Repug hand for the first time and Newt Gingrich did everything possible to kill any legislation coming out of the Clinton White House. She learned one big thing from this experience--like social security, EVERYONE has to participate in order to keep health prices down. If young kids think that they don't want to be forced into buying health insurance, that's easy for them--many of them are either covered by their parents or have their parents paying for them. If not, they all think that health care isn't a big issue, because they are invincible to germs and pain. They won't get sick, break a leg, get a MRSA infection, or some other disease--no, not them. Obama agrees. That, for me, is the clincher [as is the "Iraqi vote" for a lot of you].
AlphaLiberal @ 131:
He's managed to take the "Straight Talk Express" and turn it into the Strange Talk Express..........
He also constantly drones on that he was a "foot soldier" in Ronnie Retard's "Army" ; too bad he wasn't shot , the stupid bastard.
Ronnie Retard sucked ass , and he and his mythical presidency was absolute garbage , and was the beginning of the present day GOP and the idiots that infest it..........
pedagog1 @ 59:
I, too, am a babyboomer marched against the war fought for civil rights Democrat. And, I am an old white woman of modest means and Obama will get my vote in the April 22 primary in PA. I don't get the message that everything that was done in the past is passe and that Obama wants to undo it. Actually, I think Obama wants to build on what was gained during the 60's and early 70's. And I welcome the young voters of America. We need young people to become involved. You sound just like the "establishment" that I fought against in the 60's and 70's.
pedagog1 @ 15:
Jesus H. Christ on a turbo-charged pogo stick, you sound like those bitter little Lieber-joke supporters complaining about Howard Dean back in '03-'04. if you're going to childishly name-call members of your own party because they are not down with your candidate, it will be that sort of shit that helps McCain more than anything
"obamabots?" "obamazoids?"
GROW
THE
FUCK
UP
I was an Edwards supporter going into this, and so far i have yet to make up my mind which of the two survivors to get behind. that both sides have devoted more energy to bashing each other than showcasing the failures and inconsistencies of the current Administration or St. McCain may do more to put that bomb-happy carpet-bagging putz into office than anything else.
pedagog1 @ 65:
why dont you post the specific bills that they have shown up to vote for
many of these votes were procedural
christ, i fully hate the clintonistas
ConcernedCanuck @ 29:
Wow. Rush is that powerful, or you are so stupid.
Questions like this should have been asked like this 2 months ago.
jen8933 @ 68:
What? The Republicans are going to put Cheney back on the ticket?
pedagog1 @ 137:
I have nothing against you , nor Mrs Clinton.
However , the Clinton presidency was Bill , not Hillary ; and Mrs Clinton's Iraq War vote , plus not showing up to even cast a vote in the Senate on the bill that they passed to give the telecoms retroactive immunity , reveals she's a fence-sitter of the worst type..................
pedagog1
I seem to remember Obama saying in his speech last night that "if you take care of us, we'll take care of you" when he talked about kids joining the Peace Corps, volunteering in soup kitchens and after school programs as a way to defray the costs for their college educations. Sure sounds like building on the 60's legacy to me.
Tweety is a tool who shills for his corporate masters. They are in a panic over Hillary's meltdown and are looking to prop her up.
Max Renn @ 133:
I beg to differ. It's not McGovern I see in Obama. It's Adelai Stevenson. And that really scares me. It also makes me profoundly sad. Both are great speakers, good thinkers, and fine men.
If I thought that Obama would offer, and Edwards would accept, the VP slot, then it would change my opinion significantly about how Obama actually plans to attack economic issues in the US. I see little evidence of this outcome.
stevenson ran shit campaigns
he won the noms during the old days of the smoke filled room
and obama aint facing eisenhower...he's facing mccain
eisenhower woulda beat the shit out of the entire wingnut regime...and i mean that literally
Jesus H. Christ on a turbo-charged pogo stick, you sound like those bitter little Lieber-joke supporters complaining about Howard Dean back in '03-'04. if you're going to childishly name-call members of your own party because they are not down with your candidate, it will be that sort of shit that helps McCain more than anything
"obamabots?" "obamazoids?"
GROW
THE
FUCK
UP
I was an Edwards supporter going into this, and so far i have yet to make up my mind which of the two survivors to get behind. that both sides have devoted more energy to bashing each other than showcasing the failures and inconsistencies of the current Administration or St. McCain may do more to put that bomb-happy carpet-bagging putz into office than anything else.
Well, as usual, you know nothing. I despise Lieberman!! He's a traitor and should have had his chairmanship taken away. To this day, I don't know why Gore chose him as his VP.
And again, and for the last time, to all those who still claim that I won't vote, I said that I won't vote for the presidential candidate. I WILL vote for all local, state, and other federal candidates running on my state ballot. IS THAT CLEAR NOW????
Let's not fool ourselves:
While Matthews is a purposefully employed GE r-w idiot, Olbermann has been allowed off the leash and we're not sure just why. Hooking Matthews up with Olbermann seems to suggest that Matthews is maybe not that diseased.
Meanwhile, IMO, Olbermann is there to hit into Jon Stewart's ratings. We'll see.
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