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Church Cancels Teen Gun Giveaway

Wow.  Just wow.

KOCO 5 (Oklahoma City): 

An Oklahoma church canceled a controversial gun giveaway for teenagers at a weekend youth conference.

Windsor Hills Baptist had planned to give away a semiautomatic assault rifle until one of the event's organizers was unable to attend.

The church's youth pastor, Bob Ross, said it's a way of trying to encourage young people to attend the event. The church expected hundreds of teenagers from as far away as Canada.

"We have 21 hours of preaching and teaching throughout the week," Ross said.[..]

"I don't want people thinking ‘My goodness, we're putting a weapon in the hand of somebody that doesn't respect it who are then going to go out and kill,'" said Ross. "That's not at all what we're trying to do."

Ross said the conference isn't all about guns, but rather about teens finding faith.

What Would Jesus Do?  Give a semi-automatic weapon to a teenager, naturally.  Makes perfect sense to me. (/sarcasm)



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Christianity gone completely and pathetically wrong! These Christians are wankers.

I'd lie to get a free assault rifle...HA!

Reacto @ 1:

Christianity gone completely and pathetically wrong! These Christians are wankers.

Please tell me when christianity was right?

Was that when America had all leave it to beaver families?

This will greatly delay a large number of Olkahoma Christian youth from passing through the pearly gates.

Bob Ross?!?!

No longer painting happy little trees but blowing away the critters living there. Wow.

Well, Christianity is about a father who kills his son. Guns seem like a perfectly natural enticement.

Q: What's the difference between the Oklahoma/Kansas border region and the Afghanistan/Pakistan border region?

A: One is full of Islamic radicals, the other Christian radicals

wow.

i don't even know what else to say.

c. atrox @ 6:

Well, Christianity is about a father who kills his son. Guns seem like a perfectly natural enticement.

And the son was a brown person.

c. atrox @ 6:

Well, Christianity is about a father who kills his son. Guns seem like a perfectly natural enticement.

Really? Out on Highway 61?

I found faith! And it came with a free gun!!

Maybe next year they can go to Disney flying through Atlanta Hartsfield?

nicole, if the neocons staged a false flag attack, declared martial law and sent blackwater to round up all the howler monkeys (including you, potentially) and throw them in their pre-labelled halliburton cages, would you then endorse arming your teenage nephew w/ a semi-automatic.

i'm a liberal obama democrat but i definitely see where t-jeff and c-hest were coming from w/ the whole 2nd amendment thing...

Onward Christian Soldiers!!!

*?

*?

What an odd god they have.

Oh what a friend we have in Jesus.

Come on people don't be stupid. They weren't going to give them any bullets. Sheesh!

Honestly I wonder what goes on out in the wilds of this country.

really? like an ar15? as long as it's a quality firearm i'd go to church in a second. they can be nice for hunting depending on what's in season.
oh jesus would have been ok with it. i'm quite sure given the religious nature of blood sacrifice as an acceptable practice at the time, that jesus would have liked the idea of hunting (he fished with his pals. heck he wanted to get out there with 'em so badly he even walked on wa...oh never mind.)

odanny @ 7:

Q: What's the difference between the Oklahoma/Kansas border region and the Afghanistan/Pakistan border region?

A: One is full of Islamic radicals, the other Christian radicals

i'll bet the afghani population has better teeth too...

Professor Frink @ 18:

Come on people don't be stupid. They weren't going to give them any bullets. Sheesh!

Honestly I wonder what goes on out in the wilds of this country.

This is what goes on in the wilds on this country.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9gLN3QoN-q8&feature=related

And the well-armed meek shall inherit the earth. Can I get and Amen, and possibly some ammo?

yes, i do remember jesus talking about how we should convert people by giving them guns. in fact, wasn't john, luke, matthew, and paul passing out guns in the good old day?

sarcasm

Clueless irony! You can count on the xtians to just keep giving.

Damn, I won't qualify. I'm not a teenager.

From the link:

Friday evening, Ross said the gun giveaway had been canceled. Pastor emeritus Jim Vineyard, who ran the event, injured his foot and wouldn’t be able to attend. The gun giveaway was also removed from the church Web site.

So what are the odds that Pastor Vineyard accidentally shot himself in the foot?

I talked to some local Baptists about this and they about vomited.

Even if it was just one semiautomatic assault rifle it was one way to many according to them.

The whole thing seems more like a publicity stunt than anything else.

All this God and Guns talk is making me Bitter!!!

But don't call me a whiner!!!

And Windsor Hills is a fairly upscale nabe, too.

Maybe the church weren't able to beat their plowshares into guns.

They're going to preach to a bunch of teenagers for 21 hours?
I wouldn't go arming any of them either.

Once again someone proving why religion should be a personal thing...you know, the kind of thing you can't do with other people (maybe your own personal family, and even then)

But maybe I'm wrong, maybe the best way to spread compassion (that is what religion is supposed to do right?) the best way is to give out Assualt Rifles...what part of compassion includes assault?

Here's the staff:

http://www.windsorhills.org/?c=staff

Ross's picture is at the bottom of the page.

wheeee @ 21:

Professor Frink @ 18:

Come on people don't be stupid. They weren't going to give them any bullets. Sheesh!

Honestly I wonder what goes on out in the wilds of this country.

This is what goes on in the wilds on this country.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9gLN3QoN-q8&feature=related

Ack!!!! And I had pork for dinner!!!!

I'm shocked and flabbergasted. I can't find any logic that could possibly work in this scenario.

"Kill a ______________ for Christ"?
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jitter @ 30:

They're going to preach to a bunch of teenagers for 21 hours?
I wouldn't go arming any of them either.

Hey! maybe if they give all the kids guns and then preached to them for 24 hours...they would all feel like Christians...Slater that is!

Damn, it's not Slater that in 24, it's Southerland...all those white boys look alike to me!

nerac @ 5:

Bob Ross?!?!

No longer painting happy little trees but blowing away the critters living there. Wow.

"happy little trees" Bob Ross died a long time ago.

Trittydi @ 34:

I'm shocked and flabbergasted. I can't find any logic that could possibly work in this scenario.

"Kill a ______________ for Christ"?
*

Like I said this was a publicity stunt one that they claim drew teens from as far away as Canada.

"Hey! Look what I figured out how to do with religion! I don't even have to believe in it! These people will believe anything I say as long as I can convince them I am a man of their God. Imagine the possibilities..."

oompapa48 @ 36:

nerac @ 5:

Bob Ross?!?!

No longer painting happy little trees but blowing away the critters living there. Wow.

"happy little trees" Bob Ross died a long time ago.

Well that's a happy little assault rifle. Now let's make some little bullet holes here...and here...and over here. Now isn't that wonderful?

CAl @ 37:

Trittydi @ 34:

I'm shocked and flabbergasted. I can't find any logic that could possibly work in this scenario.

"Kill a ______________ for Christ"?
*

Like I said this was a publicity stunt one that they claim drew teens from as far away as Canada.

They should concern themselves with the possibility that publicity stunts (even canceled ones) have the potential to backfire. (pun ignored)
*

So what happens if one of these teens who gets the weapon goes beserk and shoots up the chapel?

Well at least the other teens will be armed.

And the rest of the Protestant congregants will learn how to genuflect.

Guess what guys! My reward for abdicating my authority to think for myself and to suspend the honesty-process to enjoy a comforting feeling earned me this killer gun! Controversy? Let God sort it out!

Professor Frink @ 28:

All this God and Guns talk is making me Bitter!!!

But don't call me a whiner!!!

Here hear. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Trittydi @ 34:

I'm shocked and flabbergasted. I can't find any logic that could possibly work in this scenario.

"Kill a ______________ for Christ"?
*

I'm pretty sure it's in one of those Zondervan Publishing versions of the bible where it says:

You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also, but not until after you pull the trigger of your assault rifle. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

—Matthew 5:38-42

But I guess I shouldn't credit the publisher who *ahem* didn't make a dime off of it *ahem*, just the translator.

I remember a Lone Ranger episode where the Masked Man of the Plains took a budding gun-fighter to a popular revivalists tent (the minister was a reformed gun-fighter.)

The Lone Ranger immediately pulled out his silver bullet filled fancy revolvers and laid them on a small table outside the tent flap, and told his guest to do the same.

"This is a church, and guns don't belong in here."

I always wondered if this was an accurate reflection of the time, or just the writer's attitude.

Bet if one of those young Xtian soldiers shot up a school full of the unsaved, Rev. Kracker wouldn't take it on.

Bob Ross is one broken human being, come to think of it, what is the moral composition of a community that would tolerate this mind-boggling recklessness?

There should be a new term coined for these people.

They are in no way 'Christians', if by 'Christian' we mean someone who lives their lives following the tenets of Jesus Christ.

"And it did come to pass that Jesus went unto the Mount, and so that a greater host might hear to his sermon did let it be known among the people that lots would be drawn and unto one among the number of those who heard his words a new sword would be gifted..."

You've gotta be kidding me...

I wouldn't mind being bitter

As long as she's agreeable.

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Trittydi @ 34:

I'm shocked and flabbergasted. I can't find any logic that could possibly work in this scenario.

"Kill a ______________ for Christ"?
*

Jew, Arab, Nigger, Spick, Commie, Chink, Atheist ... there are so many words that could fit on that line that J.C. would approve of

odanny @ 7:

Q: What's the difference between the Oklahoma/Kansas border region and the Afghanistan/Pakistan border region?

A: One is full of Islamic radicals, the other Christian radicals

A: Semantics

Trittydi @ 40:

CAl @ 37:

Trittydi @ 34:

I'm shocked and flabbergasted. I can't find any logic that could possibly work in this scenario.

"Kill a ______________ for Christ"?
*

Like I said this was a publicity stunt one that they claim drew teens from as far away as Canada.

They should concern themselves with the possibility that publicity stunts (even canceled ones) have the potential to backfire. (pun ignored)
*

Well every gun nut in the area is going to start attending that Church now thanks to the national media coverage it's getting.

I guess you could say they were on target with this stunt.

Jesus is coming back...
A dark skinned, long-haired, bearded man in sandals and a coarsely woven robe...
Preaching an end to war, hate and prejudice and a love for ALL...
He will be hailed as the savior of mankind...
Until he gets to Oklahoma...
Where he will be referred to as 'the hippie that was just asking to get hisself shot.'

Just as well they cancelled the giveaway.

If any of the Canadian teens had won a semiautomatic assault rifle, they would have had to turn it in the instant they crossed the border. Always assuming some trigger happy border cop didn't mistake their sunburns for swarthiness, and blow the armed terrorist away.

And I think Andy K Jong Il [26] has a the a point worth investigating. Has any event organizer been admitted to an emergency ward with a bullet wound?

odanny @ 7:

Q: What's the difference between the Oklahoma/Kansas border region and the Afghanistan/Pakistan border region?

A: One is full of Islamic radicals, the other Christian radicals

You've never even been to any of these regions have you?

Yet you feel it's fine to attack people you've never met.

Ah yes, the bitters. they cling, they pray, they watch nascar and think prop comics are funny.

If Jesus had been armed he wouldn't have had to die for your sins.

joeedugan @ 54:

Jesus is coming back...
A dark skinned, long-haired, bearded man in sandals and a coarsely woven robe...
Preaching an end to war, hate and prejudice and a love for ALL...
He will be hailed as the savior of mankind...
Until he gets to Oklahoma...
Where he will be referred to as 'the hippie that was just asking to get hisself shot.'

In East Oklahoma people would assume a guy with tan skin was just a local Indian.

BTW Senator Rice seems like a nice guy.

http://www.andrewforoklahoma.com/

These people have a huge surprise waiting for them at the pearly gates.

This gets the bad judgment award of the year.

The real question I have is: Would Jesus have carried an M-16 or an AK-47?

52 lafin gas Says: odanny @ 7:

Q: What’s the difference between the Oklahoma/Kansas border region and the Afghanistan/Pakistan border region?

A: One is full of Islamic radicals, the other Christian radicals

A: Semantics
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You're anti-Semantic?

Did they misread the part of loaves and fishes and think it said swords and spears?

Fundies are freaking nuts.

Kill a commie for Christ.

If people from Oklahoma want to be taken seriously and not be made fun of by us "elitist" liberals, then maybe you'll think twice before giving a gun away at a f***ing church service! What the hell were you thinking?

Doing stuff like this fuels that sterotype of "illiterate, Southern redneck crackers".

Finally, a chance to use this Beat Farmers tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0npOg8TvJuE

I've been thinkin' about becoming a pastor of a small non-associated, non-eclesiastical, non-afilliated community church. I'll have to figure out a way to get ordained... maybe there's an internet site for that. THEN I could put together a promotion to give away a free assault rifle to somebody in my small congregation... like my wife... or my daughter. There's got to be a good tax dodge in there someplace. Maybe I could even get it DONATED by some Christian Fellowship Arms Dealer.

Silly people. A semi-automatic assault rifle? More like idiotic people.

Now if a church was to give away teenagers

I'd be down with that.

Beat Farmers! Saw those guys develop their act in Spring valley, Ca. God rest Country Dick.

ysbaddaden @ 71:

Now if a church was to give away teenagers

I'd be down with that.

Mark Foley is that you?

JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 66:

If people from Oklahoma want to be taken seriously and not be made fun of by us "elitist" liberals, then maybe you'll think twice before giving a gun away at a f***ing church service! What the hell were you thinking?

Doing stuff like this fuels that sterotype of "illiterate, Southern redneck crackers".

Not trying to be offensive here, Janeane, but if you're going to be serious in trying to engage in a meaningful dialogue with evangelicals- at least the ones who think that church-sponsored gun giveaways are bad- maybe your first sentence should read:

If people from Oklahoma want to be taken seriously and not be made fun of by us "elitist" liberals, then maybe you'll think twice before giving a f***ing gun away at a church service!

It might be a better starting point. Just sayin'...

NOT CANCELED - just postponed:

Friday evening, Ross said the gun giveaway had been canceled. Pastor emeritus Jim Vineyard, who ran the event, injured his foot and wouldn’t be able to attend. The gun giveaway was also removed from the church Web site.

Ross said the church would give the gun away next year instead.

c. atrox @ 6:

Well, Christianity is about a father who kills his son. Guns seem like a perfectly natural evolution.

There, I like that better. :)

Well, Christianity is about a father who kills his son. Guns seem like a perfectly natural evolution.

Guns are fine. Second amendment, etc. But giving away a semi-automatic weapon at church? For what reason does a kid in Oklahoma, or anywhere for that matter, need a semi-automatic (auto-loading) weapon? Laziness?

Professor Frink @ 28:

All this God and Guns talk is making me Bitter!!!

But don't call me a whiner!!!

Since they think we're elitists, maybe what he really was saying was "winer" since republiscums don't use words like oenophile.

Andy K Jong Il @ 74:

JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 66:

If people from Oklahoma want to be taken seriously and not be made fun of by us "elitist" liberals, then maybe you'll think twice before giving a gun away at a f***ing church service! What the hell were you thinking?

Doing stuff like this fuels that sterotype of "illiterate, Southern redneck crackers".

Not trying to be offensive here, Janeane, but if you're going to be serious in trying to engage in a meaningful dialogue with evangelicals- at least the ones who think that church-sponsored gun giveaways are bad- maybe your first sentence should read:

If people from Oklahoma want to be taken seriously and not be made fun of by us "elitist" liberals, then maybe you'll think twice before giving a f***ing gun away at a church service!

It might be a better starting point. Just sayin'...

Ooooooh! good point Andy.

CAl @ 79:

Andy K Jong Il @ 74:

JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 66:

If people from Oklahoma want to be taken seriously and not be made fun of by us "elitist" liberals, then maybe you'll think twice before giving a gun away at a f***ing church service! What the hell were you thinking?

Doing stuff like this fuels that sterotype of "illiterate, Southern redneck crackers".

Not trying to be offensive here, Janeane, but if you're going to be serious in trying to engage in a meaningful dialogue with evangelicals- at least the ones who think that church-sponsored gun giveaways are bad- maybe your first sentence should read:

If people from Oklahoma want to be taken seriously and not be made fun of by us "elitist" liberals, then maybe you'll think twice before giving a f***ing gun away at a church service!

It might be a better starting point. Just sayin'...

Ooooooh! good point Andy.

Yeah, well, I've spent 40 of my nearly 43 years in a pretty religious, if not quite evangelical city. I've got a lot of friends who are religious Republicans, some of whom have been seeing the reality of their political party the last few years. I've learned that you can lose 'em if you insult 'em right off the bat.

CAl @ 56:

odanny @ 7:

Q: What's the difference between the Oklahoma/Kansas border region and the Afghanistan/Pakistan border region?

A: One is full of Islamic radicals, the other Christian radicals

You've never even been to any of these regions have you?

Yet you feel it's fine to attack people you've never met.

I've actually driven through there before. I dont have anything against the fine people of the Oklahoma and Kansas border region. I'm not attacking anyone, just stating my opinion on one of the reddest of regions I've driven across. Actually, the hinterlands of Christian radicalism extends much farther than the OK/KS border

Holy Rollin' Religious Terrorists Batman!

Call DHS ....

oh.... yeah...

never mind :/

I dunno, 100 miles in from either coast there exists a gun culture.

Pennsylvania closes school opening day of deer season.

Juniors first BB,Pellet, single shot 22 rifle is presented

as a birthday gift at 10 to 13 years of age.

I have yet to see any verification the the gun in question was a assault rifle

you know, folding stock, flash suppressor, high capacity magazine.

But the 70 odd posts so far in uproar, I just don't understand.

Its freakin Oklahoma. After church they go home and get the prize calf

ready for the 4H fair.

Another misconception the left must get over is that guns are bad.

I may stand 1/2 step to the left of Ghandi on everything.

Except guns.

I agree it was a stupid Idea on the church's part,

but frankly i don't believe it warrants the righteous indignation shown here.

"Jeebus was killed...don't let it happen to you...arm yerselves 2day"

jscopes @ 83:

I dunno, 100 miles in from either coast there exists a gun culture.

Pennsylvania closes school opening day of deer season.

Juniors first BB,Pellet, single shot 22 rifle is presented

as a birthday gift at 10 to 13 years of age.

I have yet to see any verification the the gun in question was a assault rifle

you know, folding stock, flash suppressor, high capacity magazine.

But the 70 odd posts so far in uproar, I just don't understand.

Its freakin Oklahoma. After church they go home and get the prize calf

ready for the 4H fair.

Another misconception the left must get over is that guns are bad.

I may stand 1/2 step to the left of Ghandi on everything.

Except guns.

I agree it was a stupid Idea on the church's part,

but frankly i don't believe it warrants the righteous indignation shown here.

Teens living in Oklahoma need guns to survive?

I can understand the need for a decent hunting rifle in a rural area, but:

1: Giving them away, as in free?!?!

2: Do you really need a semi-auto assault rifle to shoot game? Unless you plan to take down a grizzly bear, it's kind of overkill.

3: They're fucking teenagers. They're not quite at the point that they can go hunting by themselves.

odanny @ 81:

CAl @ 56:

odanny @ 7:

Q: What's the difference between the Oklahoma/Kansas border region and the Afghanistan/Pakistan border region?

A: One is full of Islamic radicals, the other Christian radicals

You've never even been to any of these regions have you?

Yet you feel it's fine to attack people you've never met.

I've actually driven through there before. I dont have anything against the fine people of the Oklahoma and Kansas border region. I'm not attacking anyone, just stating my opinion on one of the reddest of regions I've driven across. Actually, the hinterlands of Christian radicalism extends much farther than the OK/KS border

I'll take this as an apology and accept it as sincere.

jscopes @ 83:

I have yet to see any verification the the gun in question was a assault rifle

Uhm...click the link to KOCO and watch the video.

Just another Bush nut job.

Blue Buddha @ 86:

I can understand the need for a decent hunting rifle in a rural area, but:

1: Giving them away, as in free?!?!

2: Do you really need a semi-auto assault rifle to shoot game? Unless you plan to take down a grizzly bear, it's kind of overkill.

3: They're fucking teenagers. They're not quite at the point that they can go hunting by themselves.

In New jersey you can have a hunting license at 10 years of age.
younger if you have a farm.

Aren't birthday presents for free?

Who say's it was a assault rifle?

I keep reading the same think from kco5.

and nobody else.

semiauto does not a assault rifle make.

Folks as I said it wasn't a great Idea.

But the OHMIGAWDGUN! meme

doesn't make you any better then the narrow minded shreikers on the right.

Professor Frink @ 18:

Come on people don't be stupid. They weren't going to give them any bullets. Sheesh!

Honestly I wonder what goes on out in the wilds of this country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juLQBeZXmPU
(If it's already been done, I will slap may forehead and say D'OH!)

Seemed like a good idea in the drawing room.

86 Blue Buddha Says: I can understand the need for a decent hunting rifle in a rural area, but:

1: Giving them away, as in free?!?!

2: Do you really need a semi-auto assault rifle to shoot game?
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Some of the craps games I've been too, well yeah.

Can we just jettison the 10 deepest red states and change the flag from 50 stars to 40? We would be able to undo all the damage done this nation by the conservatives over the past 10 years a lot faster and advance as a civilized nation and enlightened society much quicker.

jscopes @ 90:

Who say's it was a assault rifle?

I keep reading the same think from kco5.

and nobody else.

semiauto does not a assault rifle make.

Folks as I said it wasn't a great Idea.

But the OHMIGAWDGUN! meme

doesn't make you any better then the narrow minded shreikers on the right.

The rifle advertised- as shown on the KOCO vid- indicates an AR-15. No one I know hunts with a rifle that looks like that.

And you're right, semi-auto does not an assault rifle make. But there are a few common tools you can use to convert the sucker to a fully automatic rifle. Don't act as if this is a bolt action rifle. It's the civilian model of the M 16.

Ruthless People @ 94:

Can we just jettison the 10 deepest red states and change the flag from 50 stars to 40? We would be able to undo all the damage done this nation by the conservatives over the past 10 years a lot faster and advance as a civilized nation and enlightened society much quicker.

I wouldn't mind seeing a map of that. It might look like something from Harry Turtledove's extended civil war series.

Look out Clem!

Bambi's packing

And looks pissed!!!

My apologies,

I stand corrected.

Stoopid sunsabitchs.

By golly a AR15.

Well........... I got nuthin.

I have no problem with them giving away a gun if they also give away a free abortion with it.

"Finding faith." Faith that whichever kid won the gun wouldn't use it to shoot up his high school this fall. Or kill his parents. Or his ex-girlfriend.

BTW: An AR-15 is the civilian version of the military's M-16. That makes it an assault weapon.

It ain't getting a whole lot smarter out there, is it.

jscopes @ 98:

My apologies,

I stand corrected.

Stoopid sunsabitchs.

By golly a AR15.

Well........... I got nuthin.

Praise the Lord! He's seen the light!

BTW, the tone of most of this thread reads, imo, as a reaction to the irony that it's a church giveaway(or was gonna be, anyway), rather than being anti-gun. You should re-read it. :D

Well, Christianity is about a father who kills his son. Guns seem like a perfectly natural evolution.

Stupid generalizations like that only make one look, well... you know.

Stupid. Kinda.

CAl @ 59:

joeedugan @ 54:

Jesus is coming back...
A dark skinned, long-haired, bearded man in sandals and a coarsely woven robe...
Preaching an end to war, hate and prejudice and a love for ALL...
He will be hailed as the savior of mankind...
Until he gets to Oklahoma...
Where he will be referred to as 'the hippie that was just asking to get hisself shot.'

In East Oklahoma people would assume a guy with tan skin was just a local Indian.

BTW Senator Rice seems like a nice guy.

http://www.andrewforoklahoma.com/

Sen. Rice does seem to be a nice guy. I've been to Tulsa and thought it was a very pretty city with friendly people, a couple of wonderful museums, a beautiful river and hills and some striking art-deco architecture downtown. I particularly liked the neighborhoods of 1920s and 30s mansions from the oil boom.
The treatment of the Indians hasn't always been great, though, and the Tulsa Race Riots would be a disgrace in Mississippi or even old South Africa. Both U.S. Senators, Inhofe and Coburn, are basically fascists. Of course, I come from a 'liberal' Pacific NW state that banned slavery at the time of the Civil War and also passed a law at the same time banning black people - so go figure.
I just think that most blue states - with the xenophobia and the gun-culture - would shoot Jesus if he returned. He'd be a scary hippie/foreigner talking communism.
Lots of places in Oklahoma, I'm sure they'd shoot me once they found out where I was from. Something about a football game my alma mater stole from OU two years ago.

Xtianity + psychotic adults + gullible teens + assault rilfles . . . makes perfect sense to me. Long live America!!!

jscopes @ 90:

Do you know how many people on this site are actually former military?

You don't?

When you find out will you let me know?

Giving away a rifle to the winner of a shooting competition is just...weird. I guess.

Relax people. It's an assault rifle, not a box of condoms!

They're coming as far away as from Canada you say? A pity. I'd be curious to see what happens to a Canadian kid who presented himself at customs with his prize.

I'm also wondering just what these people are clinging too? Could it be God and... No. Mustn't say that.

Peter G @ 108:

They're coming as far away as from Canada you say? A pity. I'd be curious to see what happens to a Canadian kid who presented himself at customs with his prize.

lol I had the same thought but that's how far they say people came.

If a Mosque did the same thing it would be a 'terrorist training camp'

WTF are you babbling about? What do Oklahoman's have to do with the choice of pastor or any individual for that matter?
That is great HillBilly logic....JANEANE. Now that's about as red Neck of a name as I know of.

FYI:JaneanneJaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 66:

If people from Oklahoma want to be taken seriously and not be made fun of by us "elitist" liberals, then maybe you'll think twice before giving a gun away at a f***ing church service! What the hell were you thinking?

Doing stuff like this fuels that sterotype of "illiterate, Southern redneck crackers".

QuakerDave @ 102:

Well, Christianity is about a father who kills his son. Guns seem like a perfectly natural evolution.

Stupid generalizations like that only make one look, well... you know.

Stupid. Kinda.

What's a stupid generalization, that christianity is about a father who kills his son?

What is christianity about? Cause I'm like, well you know, curious. Kinda.

Or are you saying that guns (being given away by a church to teenagers) seems like a perfectly natural evolution (which is an ironic reference to well, you know, that whole creation thing) is a stupid generalization of the development of the christian religion from the story of a man born of a virgin who's father is an all powerful being that let his son die to save all mankind to how it is practiced today.

Is that what you mean Quaker?

I actually thought my rewording of the origional post was, you know, funny. Kinda.

c. atrox @ 6:

Well, Christianity is about a father who kills his son. Guns seem like a perfectly natural enticement.

If you really want to examine this further Dave, maybe we can meet on an open thread and discuss the pros and cons of changing enticement, a reference to a single church that considers guns as an appropiate item to give to teenagers, to evolution which refers to the belief of many christians that man was created by an impregnator of a virgin who lets his own son die to save all the sick fucks that inhabit this country. People like you and me Dave, right? Cause were all sinners due to Eve eating an apple a snake told her to eat.

So QuakerDave, what's your pleasure tonight?

BC @ 111:

If a Mosque did the same thing it would be a 'terrorist training camp'

And foxnews would have a dozen reporters parked out front 24-7.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

Are stones passé already?

anney @ 32:

Here's the staff:

http://www.windsorhills.org/?c=staff

Ross's picture is at the bottom of the page.

Foley and Boy Troy would fit on that webpage a treat.

mencken @ 58:

If Jesus had been armed he wouldn't have had to die for your sins.

who carried swords and who loped off somebodys ear in the garden ?

Snowball @ 61:

This gets the bad judgment award of the year.

The real question I have is: Would Jesus have carried an M-16 or an AK-47?

most definitely a Remington Fireball XP-100

CowBoy Bob in Austin @ 68:

I've been thinkin' about becoming a pastor of a small non-associated, non-eclesiastical, non-afilliated community church. I'll have to figure out a way to get ordained... maybe there's an internet site for that. THEN I could put together a promotion to give away a free assault rifle to somebody in my small congregation... like my wife... or my daughter. There's got to be a good tax dodge in there someplace. Maybe I could even get it DONATED by some Christian Fellowship Arms Dealer.

the ULC online thing

Andy K Jong Il @ 95:

jscopes @ 90:

Who say's it was a assault rifle?

I keep reading the same think from kco5.

and nobody else.

semiauto does not a assault rifle make.

Folks as I said it wasn't a great Idea.

But the OHMIGAWDGUN! meme

doesn't make you any better then the narrow minded shreikers on the right.

The rifle advertised- as shown on the KOCO vid- indicates an AR-15. No one I know hunts with a rifle that looks like that.

And you're right, semi-auto does not an assault rifle make. But there are a few common tools you can use to convert the sucker to a fully automatic rifle. Don't act as if this is a bolt action rifle. It's the civilian model of the M 16.

And dont forget that semiauto as in the old fashioned Garand and M1 carbine are lethal military rifles.
In the hands of anybody with good gun skills they are more dangerous than the toy assault rifles the mil use today.

It is exactly stories like this that make me angry as a Christian. First, why does this church think they have to use guns to draw in teens for conversion? Adding a measure of persuasion? That takes free will out of the picture, which is essential IF the jerks that were organizing this event would realize if they bothered to read their Scripture. Persuasion for converts is out of the question. It never works and is what gives Christianity in this country the bad rap we see today (other than the gay affairs, private jets, million dollar homes and outright greed).

To top that, why would anyone need a semi-automatic assault rifle? I grew up in the country in a farming family that hunted in the midwest. My father is a life member of the NRA and under no circumstances would he ever own a semi-automatic anything. It is not necessary, period. To give a weapon like this away to a teenager demonstrates a total lack of responsibility an reasonable thinking. It is deeply distressing to me that something like this is seen as OK and I've already sent emails to those involved in this "ministry" to let them know my opinion. I feel that is my Christian duty (or human duty to y'all who are athiest).

QuakerDave @ 100:

"Finding faith." Faith that whichever kid won the gun wouldn't use it to shoot up his high school this fall. Or kill his parents. Or his ex-girlfriend.

BTW: An AR-15 is the civilian version of the military's M-16. That makes it an assault weapon.

It ain't getting a whole lot smarter out there, is it.

To be a true assault weapon the gun has to have the ability to switch from semi automatic and full automatic fire. Since the AR-15 can only fire semi automatic it is not an assault weapon.

And you're right, semi-auto does not an assault rifle make. But there are a few common tools you can use to convert the sucker to a fully automatic rifle. Don't act as if this is a bolt action rifle. It's the civilian model of the M 16.

And dont forget that semiauto as in the old fashioned Garand and M1 carbine are lethal military rifles.
In the hands of anybody with good gun skills they are more dangerous than the toy assault rifles the mil use today.

Toy assault rifles. You can't be serious.

Any lethal weapon (definition: loaded firearm) is dangerous. There are no "toy" assault rifles. And anybody with good gun skills is far less dangerous than some idiot with no training. But he/she is no less lethal.

What irony...they're trying to give away guns, while a large amount of local and nearby churches (including evangelicals) in my area are trying to get people to give their guns away due to gang violence! Although there are definitely idiots in the county that wouldn't think twice about handing out guns without checking to see that they didn't get into the wrong hands...

Yeah, giving away guns is so very biblical... *rolls eyes*

This really takes the bang out of the two minutes of hate.

someone wanna tell me again how obama was wrong in what he said???

these fuckers surround themselves with god and guns and feel that they are riteous

infact, they are the us taliban and need to be sent to gitmo for reeducation

I remember Stephen Colbert did a piece about gun control. Maybe the Christians got the idea of a teen gun giveaway after watching this interview with Brady Gun Control Lobbyist.

dosido @ 128:

I remember Stephen Colbert did a piece about gun control. Maybe the Christians got the idea of a teen gun giveaway after watching this interview with Brady Gun Control Lobbyist.

"the Christians"?

you make it sound like Christianity is a cult with a few dozen memebers that all think just alike.

CAl @ 129:

dosido @ 128:

I remember Stephen Colbert did a piece about gun control. Maybe the Christians got the idea of a teen gun giveaway after watching this interview with Brady Gun Control Lobbyist.

"the Christians"?

you make it sound like Christianity is a cult with a few dozen memebers that all think just alike.

Sorry. my bad. I meant the people in the news story above only. Anyway, "think of how much more hopeful the story of ########## would be if Jesus had a semi automatic pistol..."

dosido @ 130:

CAl @ 129:

dosido @ 128:

I remember Stephen Colbert did a piece about gun control. Maybe the Christians got the idea of a teen gun giveaway after watching this interview with Brady Gun Control Lobbyist.

"the Christians"?

you make it sound like Christianity is a cult with a few dozen memebers that all think just alike.

Sorry. my bad. I meant the people in the news story above only. Anyway, "think of how much more hopeful the story of ########## would be if Jesus had a semi automatic pistol..."

If a picture of Jesus with gun in hand doesn't make a person feel uncomfortable I question their sanity.

If a picture of Jesus with gun in hand doesn't make a person feel uncomfortable I question their sanity.

I dunno. If he was armed, maybe the picture of his crucifixion wouldn't exist.

I'm just sayin'.

CAl @ 131:

dosido @ 130:

CAl @ 129:

dosido @ 128:

"the Christians"?

you make it sound like Christianity is a cult with a few dozen memebers that all think just alike.

Sorry. my bad. I meant the people in the news story above only. Anyway, "think of how much more hopeful the story of ########## would be if Jesus had a semi automatic pistol..."

If a picture of Jesus with gun in hand doesn't make a person feel uncomfortable I question their sanity.

Dude, wow. that's deep. I question your motives in criticizing my comments. Just go to the link and have a nice laugh. It's Colbert and he's the only one who can get away with saying something so stupid and yes, crazy. Jeez, if you need the joke explained, it isn't funny any more.

OK, I'm sure there's something else wrong with whatever I said. go for it and have a nice day.

Teens flocked all the way from Canada? So not only were there teens planning on transporting firearms across state lines, but across an international border. Nice. It doesn't get more ridiculous than that.

I love the irony. And then these same nutjob Christians go out and proclaim, "God hates America (Katrina, 9/11...etc.) because we have embraced homosexuality."

WOW

Remember kids, three wrongs make a right.

dosido @ 133:

CAl @ 131:

dosido @ 130:

CAl @ 129:

Sorry. my bad. I meant the people in the news story above only. Anyway, "think of how much more hopeful the story of ########## would be if Jesus had a semi automatic pistol..."

If a picture of Jesus with gun in hand doesn't make a person feel uncomfortable I question their sanity.

Dude, wow. that's deep. I question your motives in criticizing my comments. Just go to the link and have a nice laugh. It's Colbert and he's the only one who can get away with saying something so stupid and yes, crazy. Jeez, if you need the joke explained, it isn't funny any more.

OK, I'm sure there's something else wrong with whatever I said. go for it and have a nice day.

It's late and I like Colbert and you seem like a good guy we just don't seem to share the same sense of humor.

jscopes @ 83:

I dunno, 100 miles in from either coast there exists a gun culture.

Pennsylvania closes school opening day of deer season.

Juniors first BB,Pellet, single shot 22 rifle is presented

as a birthday gift at 10 to 13 years of age.

I have yet to see any verification the the gun in question was a assault rifle

you know, folding stock, flash suppressor, high capacity magazine.

But the 70 odd posts so far in uproar, I just don't understand.

Its freakin Oklahoma. After church they go home and get the prize calf

ready for the 4H fair.

Another misconception the left must get over is that guns are bad.

I may stand 1/2 step to the left of Ghandi on everything.

Except guns.

I agree it was a stupid Idea on the church's part,

but frankly i don't believe it warrants the righteous indignation shown here.

You can't be left of Ghandi and believe in guns. What on earth made you say that?

fuck these motherfuckers' jesus to hell!

Stuff like this makes parody impossible. These Oklahoma Christians are so laughably insane on their own that you just can't improve on it. Giving teenagers semi-automatic weapons in the name of Jesus! Good Lord.

And then they wonder why normal people think they're crazy. How pathetic.

ysbaddaden @ 93:

86 Blue Buddha Says: I can understand the need for a decent hunting rifle in a rural area, but:

1: Giving them away, as in free?!?!

2: Do you really need a semi-auto assault rifle to shoot game?
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Some of the craps games I've been too, well yeah.

couldn't you just sit around and "shoot the shit"?

Why not give 'em guns?

Maybe, just maybe they'd start shooting each other.

Imagine, "christians" killing "christians"....I'd call it "thinning the herd".

I was thinking about it all night ... so what they are going to give them guns and then teach

"Thou shall not kill"
"Those who live by the sword, die by the sword."
"Turn the other cheek."

Aren't these the same people who say you can't teach abstinence and give teens condoms?

Reminds me of the old cold war slogan:

"Kill a commie for Christ"

Well, how else are the younguns going to learn hows ta' kill themselves a knee-grow?

MAJOR COCAIN GIVEAWAY to attract young voters into the McCain camp.

NEWS FLASH... John "the bush republican" McCain has sent out invitations to thousands of young voters to attend one of his famous BBQs at the house (i believe it is house number 44 or 45... the one with the ultra huge backyard). Promises of COCAIN for everyone, a special "giveaway" program, coupled with a door prize of "the Dick Cheney shotgun collectors plate" are sure to draw a large crowd.

What's with all the 'do you really need a semi-automatic weapon to shoot game' silliness? it makes me wonder if you even know a hunter or what a semi-automatic weapon is. The fact is the AR-15 is gaining popularity among hunters, because it's accurate, durable and OMG!!!!1!1 if you pull the trigger a bullet flies out.

Getting your panties in a wad because OMG!!Zorz!!11 it's a semi-automatic weapon is one of the funniest parts of this thread. I live in Oklahoma, I own a few guns, all of them OMG!!!LOZ1!11 are semi-automatic weapons .

Oh, and I haven't shot any "Knee-Grows".

Reacto @ 1:

Christianity gone completely and pathetically wrong! These Christians are wankers.

Not exactly. Even after they accept Jesus as the risen Lord, all Christians are still sinful wankers just like everyone else.

They couldn't have given away, I dunno, a Wii or something to bring teens in?

What was that that Obama said about rednecks clinging to guns and religion?

Pretty fucking accurate assessment if you ask me!

odanny @7,

Oklahoma, where James "the wacko nutjob" Inhofe leads by 35%

and

Kansas, where Sen. "lunatic" Roberts leads by 27%

They must have a whole lotta sick puppies in that region!

dBa @ 145:

What's with all the 'do you really need a semi-automatic weapon to shoot game' silliness? it makes me wonder if you even know a hunter or what a semi-automatic weapon is. The fact is the AR-15 is gaining popularity among hunters, because it's accurate, durable and OMG!!!!1!1 if you pull the trigger a bullet flies out.

Getting your panties in a wad because OMG!!Zorz!!11 it's a semi-automatic weapon is one of the funniest parts of this thread. I live in Oklahoma, I own a few guns, all of them OMG!!!LOZ1!11 are semi-automatic weapons .

Oh, and I haven't shot any "Knee-Grows".

Well, of course then, let's give them away to teens!

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