Rick Warren admits McCain was late for Forum and then says we're attacking the Secret Service
By John Amato Monday Aug 18, 2008 12:00pm
Why did Rick Warren lie to his audience and say McCain was in a cone of silence when he knew he clearly wasn't even at the event? I didn't know he was a stand up comedian. Did anybody understand the Maxwell Smart reference? This was a very visible and highly important forum during this presidential campaign and for him to now say the cone reference was a joke just doesn't fly. And when is it the job of the Secret Service to make sure John McCain wasn't getting any tips about Obama's appearance during Warren's forum? I'm confused. Aren't they supposed to be protecting his life? Warren says we're attacking their credibility. Huh?
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It goes to the issue of credibility. Why should we believe Warren now if he lied earlier? Why wasn't McCain on time? Does the Secret Service have an answer for that? Did Warren even ask McCain that? I don't really care if he told the candidates a few questions that he might ask if he was fair to both of them, but his integrity is in question now because of his attitude over McCain. The way it's worked out---Obama should have passed on this event.
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Why would a right-wing Rick Warren want to help a right-wing John McCain. It is just the same old GOP: lie, cheat and steal.
How Christ like.
Well, one thing about this election is that it's going to bring some real freaks out of the woodwork to play, and now that I can safely dismiss Rick "Purpose-Driven" Warren as little more than a con-artist fraud, we've all learned something about ourselves. Or rather, him.
That he's a fraud.
And a liar.
The cone of dishonesty keeps getting larger.
This flavor of "Christian" never lets honesty get in the way of an agenda.
But I disagree about Obama showing up. The audience needed to see someone who didn't let an agenda get in the way of honesty.
PEACE
This marks the first time in human history a member of the Religious Right has lacked credibility.
i love this. this event was warren's play to move into the evangelical leadership -- sidelining dobson, perkins, etal. afterall, dobson wouldn't be able to organize a similar event...
and now he's been proven to be a lying shill, just like all the other huckster preachermen out there.
what a surprise.
Classic BAIT AND SWITCH tactic. The set up was they would be together for the debate.
Bullshit flipping the coin days in advance. Who wound up with the cake from the entrance fee shakedown?
Cone of silence was a clue the in fact Mc Cain would be able to hear to anyone brought up on Maxwell Smart. He didn't lie about that point.
"Why did Rick Warren lie to his audience and say McCain was in a cone of silence when he knew he clearly wasn’t even at the event?"
OK, let's go over this one more time: Warren lied because he's an evangelical wingnut. Lying is how he earns a living. If he didn't lie, he'd be a homeless stewbum begging on the streets. Lying pays better.
Challenging the integrity of the secret service?
The same one that allowed the Bush girls to drink in bars with fake IDs when they were underage?
The same one that let Clinton do all his sexual escapades?
This guy is either Joe-dum-dum or some partisan evangelical wienee.
What? Obama snookered by a evangelical man of faith (charlatan)? Say it ain't so!
The way it’s worked out—Obama should have passed on this event.
hindsight being 20-20...
and you KNOW what the ramifications of THAT would've been...
as usual, with repugs, damned if ya do damned if ya don't.
Where's the fuckin League of Women voters? Why don't they have the juice this guy has? WTF.
We am living in Bizarro World
A stupid forum run by a right wing McCain supporter evangelist. What did people expect. Pointless.
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Who want's to be...
AMERICA'S NEXT TOP AYOTALLOH
Hosted by Pastor Rich Warren
check local Fox listings for time and date
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cg @ 7:
Love the sarcasm.
Just remember, the Cosmic Zombie still loves you! And he hungers for your brains!
spencers mom @ 6:
agreed... and they did see that... he did great, as usual.
McCain and Warren come out of this with black eyes. I've no doubt that Warren conspired with McCain's campaign to tip the scales as much as he could in McSame's favor. Of course, Warren is the 2008 repackaging of the Fundie Right, a kinder/gentler version of the same hateful rhetoric and Republican agenda. The "cone of silence" sounds like a cynical inside joke between good buddies....I guess Warren figured we are all as stupid as the people who buy his purpose driven crap.
The joke turns out to be on Warren and John. The only longterm impressions the voters will retain are: 1) McCain/Warren teamed up to cheat and 2) McCain made up a story about a religious moment that never happened. Good work!
"Clean up on aisle #20, someone knocked over a whole shelf of Koolaid.."
Actually we're allowed to question the secret services integrity. Its only POW's that have immunity from any questioning of integrity.
McCain Breaks Cone of Silence, Proving He’s a Man of the ’50s: The Quiz Show Scandals!
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=2642
All this fuss and muss simply because Obama got his clock cleaned at the event. If "um"s and "uh"s were valuable, perhaps he would have been considered the winner.
Well, maybe. Hindsight being 20/20 and all that.
On the other hand, Obama was there, got his message out, and that's a good thing. Making inroads into the Evangelical vote is a good thing. I'm not sure we really have anything to lose by trying, however flawed the circumstances?
Why break one commandment when you can break them all?
Warren stated "we flipped a coin before hand..."
apparently McCain wasn't there for the coin toss and he didn't know McCain wasn't there?
seems odd
I think Bush was probably wired during that debate too. McCain is going to do whatever it takes to cheat, lie, and steal.
Looks like Warren's character is what we may have saw instead of the canidates
Did anyone send emails to the websites listed for saddleback.net? I did, and everyone of them bounced! Hmmmm, mailbox getting a little full perhaps? Moral bastards.
Is Rick Warren part of the secret service? I thought we were attacking him? How did he miss THAT?
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goldenjoe @ 25:
EXACTLY!
If McCheater wasn't there for the coin toss because he was running late, had he lost and had to go first, then...
This MEGA EVILgelical Pastor is misleading his flock and the American Sheeple off the cliff toward a Theocratic regime.
It's becoming the Christian thing to do now-a-days...
Lie to the people
Lead wars of aggression(and remain silent)
Steal from the poor and reward the rich
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I agree with comment #1
The "Dollar Driven" life...
goldenjoe @ 26:
Days before the event, you know like they do before football games. Bait and switch
Ever notice Repub's always have strange requests before a debate like no cameras behind the podium? Notice how Obama frisked Mc Cain's back during the hand shake?
Meanwhile Americans have been put in the cone of indebtedness!
goldenjoe @ 26:
I suspect that he had a teleconference call with the 2 campaigns. He probably told them, "OK, I'm gonna toss a coin now......well look at this, looks like Obama "wins". The post-conference details on the "Cone of Silence" get worked out with McCain seperately.
It's all about Warren's power to be kingmaker and benefiting personally with a McCain win. I think it's even more important now for Rick, because I'm sure Obama learned a great lesson about evangelical "values" and hopefully, he'll reward Warren and his ilk accordingly after he wins the election.
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Dont-cha know...
The S.S. were keeping McCheater safe just like they were keeping Bush safe on September 11, 2001.
They "KNEW" McCheater wasn't going have to go first just like they "KNEW" Bush wasn't in danger in a public location, reading to a classroom full of children...
... THINK ABOUT IT!!!
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This whole think stinks.
How disappointing! I've always admired Rick Warren, but I think he's been hoodwinked. By a person with low moral standards.
Yeah I did that. I was jealous of my father's wife, who lives next door. So I killed her and stole an idol from her to worship. On a Sunday.
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Umm...
If Obama went first and the "CONE OF SILENCE" kept McCheater in "the dark" about the questions, then Obama, having gone first, was privy to ALL the questions posed to both candidates... NO? So when Warren says that Obama was privy to just "one" question in advance of McCeater's turn, HE'S LYING!
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How are we supposed to believe that McCain didn't get a tip on the questions and Obama's answers on the way to the forum (texting or cell phone calls) when McCain asked if they were "going to get back to the Supreme Court"? How can you get back to something McCain and Warren hadn't yet discussed?
However, Obama and Warren had already discussed the Supreme Court. McCain revealed himself and there's probably more reveals if the transcript is carefully checked.
Listen to Pastor Rick,of the profit driven life,McCain didn't HEAR the questions so he must have read them.
Not the first time a Christian has lied, not the last. They seem to forget their own rules, only forgiven if they repent and promise not to do it again. Its just too bad that there are so many people that have so little confidence in their selves and others that they need this myth.
All I can say is Rick Warren is a liar. He lied a couple of times. Oh, his congregation will say, they weren't lies, just differences of opinion. BUT if he planned this interview to show how he (and chrisitians in general) could be fair, he had a responsibility to do better, to do it right. He "bent the rules", didn't back-up his promise, he lied. And, christian or otherwise, a man only has his good word to live by, he lost his.
I'm a little surprised at your extending Warren the benefit of even the slightest doubt, Amato ("Why should we believe Warren.."). The question should neither be asked or entertained.
Obama was set-up, pure and simple.
Larry King gave Warren a pass last night and every fucking time he opened his mouth he was plugging Warren's book.
goldenjoe @ 26:
Yeah, that's so true, this was such a setup.
*Besides McCain can't even read a TelePrompter and didn't make any gaffs
That my friends statistically impossible
Rich "Blinky" Warren is an evangelical preacher. Isn't that synonymous with "no credibility"?
Of course the whole thing STINKS...just when do you think that coin toss happened? And, who was present for it...couldn't have been that night as McCain was late...was there another time the three of them got togehter to do that? Did surrogates attend? Was their a coin toss and we just have to TRUST Warren that Obama won/or loss his slot????? This was a SET UP and mostly to benefit Warren as I see it...he's all over the media just in time for his CHRISTMAS BOOK...He has said that both campaigns were given an idea of what "type" of questions would be asked...I'd love to get a look at just what each received...and I'm wondering whether those three people McCain picked are on his list whenever that type question comes up...(so original)...I'm thinking he slipped Lewis in there to show how racially open he is...and all about the civil rights...
Chickaboomer@39-
That's the tell.
Reminds me of Bush on 9/11 when he said (and I paraphrase), "I was watching the 1st plane hit the tower and thought, that's one bad pilot."
Later in the broadcast Warren states he believed in the Separation of Church and State and the Constitution explicitly states a person must be born to have rights under it.
This brings up the Republican Law signed by Bush, "The Born Alive Infants Protection Act."
see what happens when your easily duped? believe in honesty in religion? cant see the writeing on the wall? and dont listen to your mommy?
As I watched, I was amazed at the simplicity of Mccain's answers. He seemed as if he was on autopilot. And how the audience responded to his crap? They thought he was great!, I as any other normal American, saw McCain's comments for what they were. A pander act to get the religious sheep to fall in line.
I hate when I proofread after the fact and find a spelling error...should have been "there" not "their"...oopsie
Don't trust born-again Christians.
Never have, never will.
Here is a question for McShame inspired by a caller on WJ or a radio show this morning...IF the rights of a "baby" begin at conception, do you reject In Vitro Fertilization???? Seems to me that when those embryos are frozen or tossed away that might not be something within their RIGHTS?????!!!!!!
I want to see McCain accept an invitation to a black church using the same format.
Golly gee, Rick Warren assumes a lot. I suppose he assumes that since secret is in the name of the Secret Service, their job is to keep everything secret from McSenile. Well, they’re doing an excellent job of it since McSenile always seems to be in the dark and never knows shit, unless, of course, he’s fed the questions in advance, but hey, let’s pretend that’s secret too, shall we.
Typical reich-wing MO, when you bring up a valid and factual point they claim the opposition is "attacking" the troops, secret service, America, etc., etc.,
Rick Warren also said that they did a "coin toss" to see who went first.....
how the hell do you do a coin toss if one of the participants isn't even there?
The good thing is that Warren revealed once and for all that he's a far, far, far, extremist reich-winger by appearing on Faux and allowing InSean Vannity to wank off to his presence.
So what other christofacist tests will the MSM throw at the candidates?
Fred Phelps from the Church of Inbred Nation interviews Obama , live from N*ggerNuece Hill , sponsored by FoxNews.
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Warren: Obama; the thoughtful consensus builder. He likes to nuance things. Think about the different implications. He's a Constitutional Attorney. And, and a lot people, it appeals to them... On the other hand, John, ahh, John McCain is the happy, ya know, straight forward warrior, the, the, the commander! And his answers were bam-bam-bam! And I think that appealed to some people too."
Nope, not biased in the least.
Here Warren paints Obama as an "Attorney" that nuances issues ... THINK ABOUT THE IMPLICATION! we are told.
While in stark contrast Warren paints McCheater as an upbeat warrior, A COMMANDER! Quick and sharp... straight forward.
ASSCLOWN!
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These guys are such hypocrites, and a congregation of 50,000 that follow his every word. What in the hell was Obama doing in a Mega Church. That's really bad judgment on Obama's part. He really should keep church and state apart. Never again, please.
Funniest line of that entire interview:
"I was asking heartland questions"
because the heartland is located on the shores of sunny southern california. I know when I look for heartland values I turn to Orange County, CA
VietVet67@52-
That will happen right after McCain admits he cheated and lied in this forum.
"By the time he got on stage, I knew he was there." Warren
-- Hmm.
"If you don't know who you're voting for after that forum, then I don't know what else you need."
-- I need to know if we're sending in the marines every time John McCain is insulted. I need to know when the burden is coming off me and others making $50k or less. I need to know that I don't have to stay at a sh*ty job just because it has health benefits. If I could start my own business and not risk health care, I would.
I believe evil does exist and evil does need to be defeated." Hannity
-- I'd be surprised if he believed it exists and DIDN'T want it defeated.
"A lot of political pundits ask pundit questions. I was asking heartland questions." Warren
-- F*#k you! You don't speak for me. From a Kansan
Damn right! McCain's audiences consists of the same people. White Bread. I live in a multicultural suburb. Let's face it, sooner than later all suburbs will be Multicultural. These people are still longing for the days of the all-white suburbia. It ain't going to happen.
Just because you're christian doesn't mean you can erase all your sins on the board of life,
You're credibility is on the line with the facts don't match up with your "cone of silence" revelations.
sorry but even mccain cant be coached in that short of time he was in the car to answer that smoothly, he had the questions in advance and while obama was enjoying his swimm mccain was getting all his ducks lined up, when yah snooze yah lose!
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Well anyone of a certain age knows that the term "cone of silence" comes from the TV Maxwell Smart. It never worked on the show either; that was the joke.
Got to hand it to McCain all that hard work really paid off...
But look how this guy is off-the-cuff...
He could be a double for Abe Grampa Simpson...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRUhlws5TOI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDIAsS9VXiM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9maO_GK884g
Warren looks like a leather bear from a 1990's San Francisco gay bar. How long before this guy is caught on his knees on a men's room floor? That goatee is sooooo 90's. Grab a calendar Warren, it's 2008!
It occurred to me this is the second instance of the Secret Service being blamed after his own campaign was busted for malfeasance. Remember the librarian being thrown out of his campaign rally a few weeks ago? McCain's spokesmen initially stated they were merely following Secret Service orders, which prompted a rare news release from the agency flatly denying the charge. They even waited a few days for McCain to retract the lie before doing it. The fact the accusation was leveled by his partner in subterfuge makes not a whit of difference.
I don't know about you, but I for one would be careful not to piss off any group of people whose job was to guard my life 24 hours a day.
Embittered & Anti-Republicrat - Max-Hussein-1 @ 70:
This post appeared with five pre time stamped posts up to four minutes ahead of the time stamp of the original I quote.
Any one else notice this inconsistency?
This strikes me as a dumb storyline to be pressing. What were the ratings for Warren's little event? I'd imagine they were rather low, and that most of the people watching were politically involved, i.e. people who already know who they are going to vote for. Everyone else was watching the Olympics.
If someone did not watch the event and they hear our side complaining about the "cone of silence" or McCain receiving an unfair advantage, who do you think they are more likely to think won the debate? Sports teams do not usually protest the officiating in games that they win. I think Obama's campaign hit the right note when they said they had no comment on the cone of silence issue other than that McCain certainly seemed sensitive about it, but that Obama appreciated the opportunity to appear.
So please, lets' give this conspiracy theory a rest unless there's some actual indication of foul play. What the hell is a "cone of silence" anyway? Why waste the energy when it's just as easy to go after McCain's general unimpressiveness at this event and in every other aspect of his campaign.
tyree @ 69:
I agree with that tyree. If McCain is the dolt everyone here thinks he is, getting coached at the last minute before he went on stage would likely result in a worse performance than if he had a teleprompter in front of him. At the very least, it wouldn't result in a relaxed and confident performance, but one that was more stilted, which didn't seem to be the case.
I certainly believe that's the case now. In retrospect, he couldn't wait for Warren to finish the question , so he could deliver his snappy 1 sentence retort. Sorry, McCain is never that sharp and decisive in an environment when the questions are unscripted and unknown before....just look at his performance in any one of his friendly townhall meetings. Even though they are generally sympathetic questions, he stutters and screws up his responses with regularity. Didn't happen in this event....no need to wonder why.
I'm reminded (more often than I'd like with the Democrats) of a line from Animal House - something along the lines of . . . you f#(ked up, you trusted us. By now, we should all be use to this.
The self-righteous only get outraged when they are NOT the ones lying, cheating or buggering......and then there's mccain......he's mad all the time.
From Cafferty:
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Sen. John McCain takes weekends off and limits his campaign events to one a day. He made an exception for the religious forum on Saturday at Saddleback Church in Southern California.
I think he made a big mistake. When he was invited last spring to attend a discussion of the role of faith in his life with Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, at Messiah College in Pennsylvania, McCain didn't bother to show up. Now I know why.
It occurs to me that John McCain is as intellectually shallow as our current president. When asked what his Christian faith means to him, his answer was a one-liner. "It means I'm saved and forgiven." Great scholars have wrestled with the meaning of faith for centuries. McCain then retold a story we've all heard a hundred times about a guard in Vietnam drawing a cross in the sand. [..]
Check CNN/Cafferty
to rickw@saddleback.net
date Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:04 AM
subject RE: "cone of silence"
Have you by chance seen this line before?
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."
I guess we now know what purposes drive your life.
Rick Warren lied? My God! What would Jesus think?
Progressive Libertarian @ 76:
Prog. Lib,
Does it not bother you that Presidential Candidates are appealing to "Christian values" impressed upon them?
I mean, what implications does this have upon the Progressive Liberals? You're only viable if you're a "Christian"?
Come on... THAT'S THE CONSPIRACY... NO? America... the "Christian Nation"
And why not point out the inconsistencies... ? Turning a blind eye to them only is a tacit permission that lying, cheating is an American value to live up to because no one stops you.
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LATE FOR THE BIGGEST SPEECH OF THE CAMPAIGN TO THIS DATE...... good thing it wasn't at 3a.m.
Gah @ 83...
You should know by now - With Christians, agenda trumps Commandments every time.
Not defending Rick, but you really didn't get the "Get Smart" reference? That's the _first_ thing I thought of! "Did these people really name their isolation area 'the cone of silence'? Ha ha!"
Oh well, I'm 45. I guess this officially makes me old. Yet, I'm constantly amazed at the level of cultural illiteracy in this country, even _pop_ cultural illiteracy.
Rick Warren admits to sending John McCain ALL the questions (dailykos.com)
Flackman @ 84:
He made the Baby Jesus cry, but what does he care.
cobsjo @ 82:
He didn't show up because it was not rigged
P.D. @ 52:
I stumbled on this blog post today. Based on this, in all likelihood, John McCain will be the next president of the United States.
From Mahablo