The Debate To Nowhere.

theWalrus @ 1:

The Debate To Nowhere.

Yup!

The book should be titled, "Daddy's Log Cabin Republican Roommate".

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daddy%27s_Roommate]It's not a joke.[url]

And Palin tried to ban it.

I thought palin was laughable, biden was on the mark
On another note is anyone watching Leno? Dennis Miller is on, I can't believe what an as***le this man is

Can't Republicans run somebody that doesn't have ticks, grimaces, winces, and smirks?

I'm buying a dozen copies of American Pimp and giving them to my local elementary schools for their libraries.

Future comedian or child exploitation?

Too bad Hunter S. Thompson is dead, he could have written Fear and Loathing in Washington DC - and Palin could have banned that book.

Lyon @ 16:

I tried to watch it but couldn't. Even though the format was for 90 second responses, I can't stand more than 30 seconds of Palin's voice. I occaisionally bliped back when Joe was speaking... he seemed tired and was clearly pulling his punches. Shame, really. If Palin was a man, Biden would have evicerated him on stage but alas, no.

I'd rather have him hold back than come out looking like a giant asshole. Look the fact is the only people who like Palin are the base because she shoots animals and hates abortion. Independents and Democrats are scared shitless of a female Dick Cheney. She does nothing to help McCain win.

www.BarackObama.com ... November 4th. ... www.JoeBiden.com

................................... www.MoveOn.org ...................................

I would have to go back and take another look at the debate, but I do believe that Palin made a reference to Main Street creating the problem on Wall Street.

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Homer_J @ 19:

Lyon @ 16:

I tried to watch it but couldn't. Even though the format was for 90 second responses, I can't stand more than 30 seconds of Palin's voice. I occaisionally bliped back when Joe was speaking... he seemed tired and was clearly pulling his punches. Shame, really. If Palin was a man, Biden would have evicerated him on stage but alas, no.

I'd rather have him hold back than come out looking like a giant asshole. Look the fact is the only people who like Palin are the base because she shoots animals and hates abortion. Independents and Democrats are scared shitless of a female Dick Cheney. She does nothing to help McCain win.

Joe Biden answered the questions. Sarah Palin gave a speech, the same speech over and over regardless of the question.

Cats r Flyfishn @ 23:

I would have to go back and take another look at the debate, but I do believe that Palin made a reference to Main Street creating the problem on Wall Street.

Yes she did. Something about a "Toxic" Main Street effecting Wall Street. Verbal Gaffe. She probably winked while saying it too.

Cas @ 24:

I wonder how many Americans appreciate it, to be addressed by their VP like they are toddlers..

Probably not much.

Now go to bed. You have school tomorrow!

Orangutan. @ 29:

Cats r Flyfishn @ 23:

I would have to go back and take another look at the debate, but I do believe that Palin made a reference to Main Street creating the problem on Wall Street.

Yes she did. Something about a "Toxic" Main Street effecting Wall Street. Verbal Gaffe. She probably winked while saying it too.

I heard it too. She really has a command of all her concepts. :)

hello @ 31:

Cas @ 24:

I wonder how many Americans appreciate it, to be addressed by their VP like they are toddlers..

Probably not much.

Now go to bed. You have school tomorrow!

Can't. We are sitting around the kitchen table, wondering how we can pay for my school fee.
Ms. Palin will solve that problem, I heard her say.

Tell me, does this qualify as a zen koan:

"a team of mavericks"

The history of October Surprise. A judge lets prosecutors in the Stevens case get away with a mistrial. Members of the House are ignoring the will of the people.

Jusker @ 37:

Tell me, does this qualify as a zen koan:

"a team of mavericks"

Republican Zen: "Don't just vote your interests-stand there."

DJF @ 42:

Telling me I need to watch my credit card spending.... THAT was offensive. Just offensive.

And by the way, what happened to Troopergate?

Stonewalled.

I'm still not quite fully in on how that maverick-team thing is supposed to work.. a 'maverick' executive branch?

I mean.. if you're the President, doesn't that make you a fairly solid member of the establishment? Who's the president supposed to rebel against?

Alexdem @ 45:

I'm still not quite fully in on how that maverick-team thing is supposed to work.. a 'maverick' executive branch?

I mean.. if you're the President, doesn't that make you a fairly solid member of the establishment? Who's the president supposed to rebel against?

I guess McCain could punch himself out if elected.

Ron @ 44:

Cats r Flyfishn @ 23:

I would have to go back and take another look at the debate, but I do believe that Palin made a reference to Main Street creating the problem on Wall Street.

She said that people were getting $300,000 homes when they could only afford payments on a $100,000 dollar home. Never happened.

Yes. Palin went surprisingly far in that she put the blame squarely on the loan-sharks. (as opposed to what we've been hearing from some conservative quarters) And in particular, it sounded very much as if she was casting herself as a major champion of regulation.

That can't have sat well in some Republican quarters.

MsJoanne @ 12:

Mike the Canuck @ 8:

I thought palin was laughable, biden was on the mark
On another note is anyone watching Leno? Dennis Miller is on, I can't believe what an as***le this man is

I used to think he was one of the funniest guys around. It's like becoming a gooper retards one in every way. Ｉdon't find him even remotely funny any longer.

Dennis Miller killed MNF.

She did not impress anyone who did not have an erection for her in the first place. I predict Viagra sales will be "up" tomorrow.

My low-information friend just left. We had MSNBC on after the debate. She looked at Chris Matthews and said, "Who is that and why is he shouting?"

I said, "That's Tweety."

Her reply... "OMG, he looks just like him!"

Newsweek's Howard Fineman compared Palin's performance to that of a "wolverine attacking the pant leg of a passerby."

xoites defends Constitution @ 43:

DJF @ 42:

Telling me I need to watch my credit card spending.... THAT was offensive. Just offensive.

And by the way, what happened to Troopergate?

Stonewalled.

Here you go, (you betcha!):

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/ap_on_el_pr/palin_troopergate;_ylt=A...

GOPnot4me @ 59:

xoites defends Constitution @ 43:

DJF @ 42:

Telling me I need to watch my credit card spending.... THAT was offensive. Just offensive.

And by the way, what happened to Troopergate?

Stonewalled.

Here you go, (you betcha!):

Very good news! :)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/ap_on_el_pr/palin_troopergate;_ylt=Amt5cN4WeQ3H5QEITH2iVSus0NUE

Alexdem @ 62:

xoites defends Constitution @ 58:

I would say it was a Freudian slip, but she never heard of him.

Another one.. she referred to the commander in Afghanistan, General McKiernan as General McClellan.
Guess that's another guy who let the GOP team down, eh?

I am pretty sure they were not and are not on the same side.

GOPnot4me @ 64:

Alexdem @ 62:

xoites defends Constitution @ 58:

I would say it was a Freudian slip, but she never heard of him.

Another one.. she referred to the commander in Afghanistan, General McKiernan as General McClellan.
Guess that's another guy who let the GOP team down, eh?

Damn GOP still fighting the Civil War.

Not to mention refighting Vietnam.

xoites defends Constitution @ 66:

With the same results.

Insanity: Doing the same thing, over and over, expecting a different result.

Live Vote
Who won the VP debate? * 494165 responses
Joe Biden
52%
Sarah Palin
38%
Tie
4.3%
Not sure
6.1%

MSNBC poll.

motorfingaz @ 5:

The book should be titled, "Daddy's Log Cabin Republican Roommate".

Yep, that is what I thought when I saw the tank-top.

Every night, K.O. signs off by telling us how many days since "Mission Accomplished" was declared.

Every time, I think of how many days JFK was granted in office; the comparison is instructive.

ellie mae clampett won't be VP.

all the polls are saying it except drudge.

xoites defends Constitution @ 72:

mudshark @ 69:

Live Vote
Who won the VP debate? * 494165 responses
Joe Biden
52%
Sarah Palin
38%
Tie
4.3%
Not sure
6.1%

MSNBC poll.

CNN is even more in Biden's favor:

Sen. Joe Biden 70% 141040
Gov. Sarah Palin 26% 53333
Neither 4% 7332

good evening gentlemen! I could not find the cnn poll. help a brother out.

No "Honest McCain Campaign Poster" today.

Today's post compared McNasty to the "Least Angry Man"

You have to read the whole Rolling Stone cover story.

And Joe Klein is pissed. It's all I've got today, let me know what you think.

Alexdem @ 28:

LFlynt @ 22:

Alexdem @ 18:

LFlynt @ 13:

Haha, well I must confess to having "reverse-shoplifted" a copy of the book "Abusing Science: The Case Against Creationism" into a christian bookstore.

What makes you think I'm joking?

Nothing. Do you think I am? :)
(Hated that damn christian bookstore.. lived on the same block and they had all those Left Behind books and other doomsday crap..)

The left behinnd authors are possibly employed by the devil.

xoites defends Constitution @ 43:

DJF @ 42:

Telling me I need to watch my credit card spending.... THAT was offensive. Just offensive.

And by the way, what happened to Troopergate?

Stonewalled.

Nope, not this time.

Breaking news as of four hours ago :

Judge refuses to block Alaska Troopergate probe

Palin is having a bad week.

MSNBC poll now has
Biden = 79.4%
Palin = 18.2%
Tie = 2.4%

GOPnot4me @ 79:

No "Honest McCain Campaign Poster" today.

Today's post compared McNasty to the "Least Angry Man"

You have to read the whole Rolling Stone cover story.

And Joe Klein is pissed. It's all I've got today, let me know what you think.

And, yes, I am a blog-whore.

I'm just really pissed off.

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 84:

for an oil expert, plain surely knows the nukular strategy

I don't think she knows anything about the petroleum industry, beyond the suitcases full of money they drop off in her office.

Railroad regulators wait until after an accident happened to ban PDAs and cell phones.

Tequila @ 91:

Railroad regulators wait until after an accident happened to ban PDAs and cell phones.

They banned TV's after the crash in Chase, Md.

GOPnot4me @ 79:

No "Honest McCain Campaign Poster" today.

Today's post compared McNasty to the "Least Angry Man"

You have to read the whole Rolling Stone cover story.

And Joe Klein is pissed. It's all I've got today, let me know what you think.

The Rolling Stone article was one of the best I've ever read. I thought I knew a lot about McCain but this article goes deeper than most. It is a must read.

xoites defends Constitution @ 93:

Tequila @ 91:

Railroad regulators wait until after an accident happened to ban PDAs and cell phones.

They banned TV's after the crash in Chase, Md.

That was back in 1984 (or 1983) when Joe Thiesman had his leg snapped in a Redskins game and the driver of the Chessy System freight train was watching the game and failed to notice the red light just before crashing into an Amtrak Train head on.

GOPnot4me @ 96:

I'm taking Nov. 4th off, I plan to get Democratic voters to the polls.

There is a volunteer effort here in No. San Diego County to get progressive seniors to the polls and I've signed up.

My dream is giving Darrell Issa a run for his (dirty) money.

If voters are being challenged, challenge the challengers.

Ron @ 99:

GOPnot4me @ 96:

I'm taking Nov. 4th off, I plan to get Democratic voters to the polls.

There is a volunteer effort here in No. San Diego County to get progressive seniors to the polls and I've signed up.

My dream is giving Darrell Issa a run for his (dirty) money.

If voters are being challenged, challenge the challengers.

Read "The Brad Blog" for an idea of how bad the GOP is trying to game the election.

It's on the C&L blogroll.

GOPnot4me @ 101:

Ron @ 99:

GOPnot4me @ 96:

I'm taking Nov. 4th off, I plan to get Democratic voters to the polls.

There is a volunteer effort here in No. San Diego County to get progressive seniors to the polls and I've signed up.

My dream is giving Darrell Issa a run for his (dirty) money.

If voters are being challenged, challenge the challengers.

Read "The Brad Blog" for an idea of how bad the GOP is trying to game the election.

It's on the C&L blogroll.

I have been following it.

Ron @ 103:

GOPnot4me @ 101:

Ron @ 99:

GOPnot4me @ 96:
If voters are being challenged, challenge the challengers.

Read "The Brad Blog" for an idea of how bad the GOP is trying to game the election.

It's on the C&L blogroll.

I have been following it.

Stalin: "It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes."

GOPnot4me @ 105:

Ron @ 103:

GOPnot4me @ 101:

Ron @ 99:

Read "The Brad Blog" for an idea of how bad the GOP is trying to game the election.

It's on the C&L blogroll.

I have been following it.

Stalin: "It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes."

Karl Rove's idol...

Sorry.

xoites defends Constitution @ 109:

Sorry.

I'm glad I didn't do that drinking game where you had to take a shot every time Sarah spouted a talking point.

My liver dislikes me already.

dadams @ 110:

i was surprised that s palin did as well as she did.
i was very disappointed that she chose NOT TO ANSWER
more than 50% of her questions and just went off
on a rant of gop talking points.

i was very proud of joe biden. he answered all
the questions and maintained a very civil posture
to palin i would have pounced at several of her
obvious lies.

She lost the debate. Look at the polls. True, she was not carted of in a straight jacket, but she impressed no one.

Flubs:

Palin, in criticizing Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's Iraq policy, said that President Bush's Iraq troop "surge" plan had worked and that U.S. troop levels in Iraq are now back at pre-surge levels. In fact, there are 152,000 troops in Iraq. There were 137,000 troops there before the surge.

Palin also said that Obama has refused to acknowledge that the surge worked, but in a Fox News interview last month, he said, "The surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated ... I've always said it's succeeded beyond our wildest dream."

Palin said, "we're getting closer and closer to victory," and "victory is within sight" because of the surge. That's far more optimistic than U.S. military commanders and analysts are. While the level of violence in Iraq is much improved, military commanders — and a report this week from the Pentagon — caution that the gains are fragile and threatened by a number of worrisome developments. Most analysts also say that, while adding the extra troops in Iraq last year helped, other changes may have had more impact. These included the decision by radical Shiite leader Muqtada al Sadr to agree to a cease-fire and a U.S. program that paid Sunni tribesman to fight Islamic extremists in their midst.

Palin incorrectly called the U.S. commanding general in Afghanistan "McClellan." The top military commander in Afghanistan is Army Gen. David McKiernan.

Palin attacked Obama, accusing him of voting 94 times to either raise or fight against tax cuts. FactCheck.org, a non-partisan watchdog Web site, called the claim "misleading." According to FactCheck, Obama voted against proposed tax cuts 23 times. He also voted 11 times for increasing taxes on families earning more than $1 million a year to help pay for Head Start school nutrition programs. Moreover, 53 of his votes were on non-binding resolutions on allowing scheduled tax cuts to expire.

Palin repeated a McCain campaign claim that Obama voted to raise taxes on Americans making as little as $42,000 a year, but that claim, too, is considered misleading. Obama voted for a non-binding resolution on budget guidelines assuming that the Bush tax cuts would expire on schedule in 2011. The resolution was not a vote to raise taxes.

Palin overstated Alaska's contribution to America's oil and natural gas needs. She said her state has "billions of barrels of oil and hundreds of trillions of cubic feet of clean, green natural gas." Natural gas is cleaner than oil or coal, but it still emits hydrocarbons when it's burned. Alaska produces 3.5 percent of all U.S. energy, 13.7 percent of U.S. oil and 2.3 percent of U.S. natural gas, according to the Department of Energy's Energy Information Administration.

Palin added that Alaska is building a "nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets." In fact, no building has begun, no federal pipeline approval has been issued and actual construction is years away — if it ever happens. This summer the Alaska Legislature, at Palin's request, passed a law under which the state will issue a "license" to a Canadian energy company, TransCanada Corp., and pay it up to $500 million as an incentive to attempt this enormous project, which Alaska politicians have long sought with little success. The license is not a construction contract.

Palin also put the price tag for the project at nearly $40 billion, an exaggeration. This is roughly $10 billion more than most cost estimates industry players and consultants have made to date.

Palin misspoke when she said that when she and others in the state legislature found out that Alaska had some millions of dollars investment in Sudan, they called for divestment "to make sure we weren't doing anything that would be seen as condoning the activities there in Darfur." There's no evidence, however, that Palin had any part in the divestiture legislation, and one legislator who was involved said there's been no sign of her.

Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, misspoke when he said "we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon." Hezbollah, a radical Shiite Muslim group, is very much alive in Lebanon, part of the government there, and in fact more powerful than it's ever been. Biden may have meant to say Syria, which under intense international pressure withdrew its forces from Lebanon in 2005 after a two-decade-long presence.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/

MyGodBeatsPalin’sArse @ 115

Also said "also" more times in 90 minutes than i have said it in 90 months.

xoites defends Constitution @ 117:

MyGodBeatsPalin’sArse @ 115

Also said "also" more times in 90 minutes than i have said it in 90 months.

I think they gave her a software upload similar to what runs "Cindy", but dialed away from non-profits and more toward a "PTA meeting" setting...

MyGodBeatsPalin'sArse @ 119:

xoites defends Constitution @ 117:

MyGodBeatsPalin’sArse @ 115

Also said "also" more times in 90 minutes than i have said it in 90 months.

I think they gave her a software upload similar to what runs "Cindy", but dialed away from non-profits and more toward a "PTA meeting" setting...

Harper Valley PTA?

Thanks for pointing out Banned Books Week. As a librarian, this is an issue that is dear to my heart.
http://straighttalkonmccain.blogspot.com/

Dear Xoites,

You are, w/out a doubt, one of the best commenters on C&L.

Where's your blog, please?

Alexdem @ 34:

Hey.. middle-class Palin is a millionare!

And they had "an income last year of at least $230,000".. Damn.. Biden should've used this. He could've pointed out that even Palin would be getting a tax cut under Obama, and simutanously be able to underscore that maybe you're not quite 'Joe Sixpack' when you're making 4-5 times as much money as he is.

it helps when the state pays all of your expenses too

i heard michael medved restate the lie about the per diem she was getting for staying at home...he said it was for travel expenses

well no mike...she charged the state for those too...and for her family's

she did get 17500 for eating and sleeping at home

so basically very little was taken out of her or todds salaries for the past 2 years

but i think that article mistates todd's salary...i thought it was closer to 100k

2 weeks on....2 weeks off from fall to summer

xoites defends Constitution @ 127:

GOPnot4me @ 124:

Dear Xoites,

You are, w/out a doubt, one of the best commenters on C&L.

Where's your blog, please?

I have discontinued my blogs due to my day to day responsibilities and my uneven inspiration. :)

Our loss.

MyGodBeatsPalin'sArse @ 115:

Flubs:

Palin, in criticizing Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's Iraq policy, said that President Bush's Iraq troop "surge" plan had worked and that U.S. troop levels in Iraq are now back at pre-surge levels. In fact, there are 152,000 troops in Iraq. There were 137,000 troops there before the surge.

Palin also said that Obama has refused to acknowledge that the surge worked, but in a Fox News interview last month, he said, "The surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated ... I've always said it's succeeded beyond our wildest dream."

Palin said, "we're getting closer and closer to victory," and "victory is within sight" because of the surge. That's far more optimistic than U.S. military commanders and analysts are. While the level of violence in Iraq is much improved, military commanders — and a report this week from the Pentagon — caution that the gains are fragile and threatened by a number of worrisome developments. Most analysts also say that, while adding the extra troops in Iraq last year helped, other changes may have had more impact. These included the decision by radical Shiite leader Muqtada al Sadr to agree to a cease-fire and a U.S. program that paid Sunni tribesman to fight Islamic extremists in their midst.

Palin incorrectly called the U.S. commanding general in Afghanistan "McClellan." The top military commander in Afghanistan is Army Gen. David McKiernan.

Palin attacked Obama, accusing him of voting 94 times to either raise or fight against tax cuts. FactCheck.org, a non-partisan watchdog Web site, called the claim "misleading." According to FactCheck, Obama voted against proposed tax cuts 23 times. He also voted 11 times for increasing taxes on families earning more than $1 million a year to help pay for Head Start school nutrition programs. Moreover, 53 of his votes were on non-binding resolutions on allowing scheduled tax cuts to expire.

Palin repeated a McCain campaign claim that Obama voted to raise taxes on Americans making as little as $42,000 a year, but that claim, too, is considered misleading. Obama voted for a non-binding resolution on budget guidelines assuming that the Bush tax cuts would expire on schedule in 2011. The resolution was not a vote to raise taxes.

Palin overstated Alaska's contribution to America's oil and natural gas needs. She said her state has "billions of barrels of oil and hundreds of trillions of cubic feet of clean, green natural gas." Natural gas is cleaner than oil or coal, but it still emits hydrocarbons when it's burned. Alaska produces 3.5 percent of all U.S. energy, 13.7 percent of U.S. oil and 2.3 percent of U.S. natural gas, according to the Department of Energy's Energy Information Administration.

Palin added that Alaska is building a "nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets." In fact, no building has begun, no federal pipeline approval has been issued and actual construction is years away — if it ever happens. This summer the Alaska Legislature, at Palin's request, passed a law under which the state will issue a "license" to a Canadian energy company, TransCanada Corp., and pay it up to $500 million as an incentive to attempt this enormous project, which Alaska politicians have long sought with little success. The license is not a construction contract.

Palin also put the price tag for the project at nearly $40 billion, an exaggeration. This is roughly $10 billion more than most cost estimates industry players and consultants have made to date.

Palin misspoke when she said that when she and others in the state legislature found out that Alaska had some millions of dollars investment in Sudan, they called for divestment "to make sure we weren't doing anything that would be seen as condoning the activities there in Darfur." There's no evidence, however, that Palin had any part in the divestiture legislation, and one legislator who was involved said there's been no sign of her.

Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, misspoke when he said "we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon." Hezbollah, a radical Shiite Muslim group, is very much alive in Lebanon, part of the government there, and in fact more powerful than it's ever been. Biden may have meant to say Syria, which under intense international pressure withdrew its forces from Lebanon in 2005 after a two-decade-long presence.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/

she was right and wrong about obama's stance on the surge

he has agreed that it helped to reduce violence...but that it has failed to push the political process

there are also many other factors that have reduced violence, including the defacto ethnic cleansing of every neighborhood and city throughout iraq (basically, bidens idea of splitting the country in 3 has come to fruition)

come on, when palin says that we have to wait for our own commanders to say when its time to go...the surge has failed

btw, factcheck.org is good, until they provide their own analysis of what caused the economic collapse

Robt @ 131:

I've heard McCain and his surrogates say, " McCain has won wars, he was there, and he knows how to win this one ".

Gov Palin states this, " John McCain knows how to win wars, John has won wars and he has been there".

Can anyone tell me what war or wars John McCain has won?

Hey John Amato, Can you name any war John has won? (Before you go on the D.L.?)

Uhhh! NONE. Do I win a prize?

Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 130:

MyGodBeatsPalin'sArse @ 115:

Flubs:

Palin, in criticizing Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's Iraq policy, said that President Bush's Iraq troop "surge" plan had worked and that U.S. troop levels in Iraq are now back at pre-surge levels. In fact, there are 152,000 troops in Iraq. There were 137,000 troops there before the surge.

Palin also said that Obama has refused to acknowledge that the surge worked, but in a Fox News interview last month, he said, "The surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated ... I've always said it's succeeded beyond our wildest dream."

Palin said, "we're getting closer and closer to victory," and "victory is within sight" because of the surge. That's far more optimistic than U.S. military commanders and analysts are. While the level of violence in Iraq is much improved, military commanders — and a report this week from the Pentagon — caution that the gains are fragile and threatened by a number of worrisome developments. Most analysts also say that, while adding the extra troops in Iraq last year helped, other changes may have had more impact. These included the decision by radical Shiite leader Muqtada al Sadr to agree to a cease-fire and a U.S. program that paid Sunni tribesman to fight Islamic extremists in their midst.

Palin incorrectly called the U.S. commanding general in Afghanistan "McClellan." The top military commander in Afghanistan is Army Gen. David McKiernan.

Palin attacked Obama, accusing him of voting 94 times to either raise or fight against tax cuts. FactCheck.org, a non-partisan watchdog Web site, called the claim "misleading." According to FactCheck, Obama voted against proposed tax cuts 23 times. He also voted 11 times for increasing taxes on families earning more than $1 million a year to help pay for Head Start school nutrition programs. Moreover, 53 of his votes were on non-binding resolutions on allowing scheduled tax cuts to expire.

Palin repeated a McCain campaign claim that Obama voted to raise taxes on Americans making as little as $42,000 a year, but that claim, too, is considered misleading. Obama voted for a non-binding resolution on budget guidelines assuming that the Bush tax cuts would expire on schedule in 2011. The resolution was not a vote to raise taxes.

Palin overstated Alaska's contribution to America's oil and natural gas needs. She said her state has "billions of barrels of oil and hundreds of trillions of cubic feet of clean, green natural gas." Natural gas is cleaner than oil or coal, but it still emits hydrocarbons when it's burned. Alaska produces 3.5 percent of all U.S. energy, 13.7 percent of U.S. oil and 2.3 percent of U.S. natural gas, according to the Department of Energy's Energy Information Administration.

Palin added that Alaska is building a "nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets." In fact, no building has begun, no federal pipeline approval has been issued and actual construction is years away — if it ever happens. This summer the Alaska Legislature, at Palin's request, passed a law under which the state will issue a "license" to a Canadian energy company, TransCanada Corp., and pay it up to $500 million as an incentive to attempt this enormous project, which Alaska politicians have long sought with little success. The license is not a construction contract.

Palin also put the price tag for the project at nearly $40 billion, an exaggeration. This is roughly $10 billion more than most cost estimates industry players and consultants have made to date.

Palin misspoke when she said that when she and others in the state legislature found out that Alaska had some millions of dollars investment in Sudan, they called for divestment "to make sure we weren't doing anything that would be seen as condoning the activities there in Darfur." There's no evidence, however, that Palin had any part in the divestiture legislation, and one legislator who was involved said there's been no sign of her.

Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, misspoke when he said "we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon." Hezbollah, a radical Shiite Muslim group, is very much alive in Lebanon, part of the government there, and in fact more powerful than it's ever been. Biden may have meant to say Syria, which under intense international pressure withdrew its forces from Lebanon in 2005 after a two-decade-long presence.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/

she was right and wrong about obama's stance on the surge

he has agreed that it helped to reduce violence...but that it has failed to push the political process

there are also many other factors that have reduced violence, including the defacto ethnic cleansing of every neighborhood and city throughout iraq (basically, bidens idea of splitting the country in 3 has come to fruition)

come on, when palin says that we have to wait for our own commanders to say when its time to go...the surge has failed

btw, factcheck.org is good, until they provide their own analysis of what caused the economic collapse

It seems to me a no-brainer that the violence went down. The insurgents couldn't keep up that level of violence forever. Eventually, they had to pull back and regroup. Military campaigns work that way. You have an offensive then you regroup and resupply. The violence level could go up again at anytime. I think it is a bit premature to declare victory in Iraq; this reminds me of the aircraft carrier job well done speech.

Healthy and unhealthy cereal brands.

The perfectly timed distractions are sheer, utterly, "perfection". Like assinations, multiple airplane hijackings, and defeating Norad so easily. Sheer brilliant magic! Watch the right hand, while the left one is doing the so-called "magic". F*** the debates. It was a joke.

Time is running out. NO BAILOUTS!
What a perfect STING.

USA Outraged? 700 Billion?
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/9728/USA_outraged___700_billion_...

Voters are rightly furious at the proposal to spend $700,000,000,000 that the government doesn't have to bail out Wall Street bankers who created the current economic crisis in the first place.
But why then aren't we concerned about the trillions of dollars the Federal Reserve is pumping into the system? Or the trillions missing from the Pentagon? Or the quadrillion dollar derivatives bubble.

upchuck @ 135:

Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 130:

MyGodBeatsPalin'sArse @ 115:

Flubs:

Palin, in criticizing Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's Iraq policy, said that President Bush's Iraq troop "surge" plan had worked and that U.S. troop levels in Iraq are now back at pre-surge levels. In fact, there are 152,000 troops in Iraq. There were 137,000 troops there before the surge.

Palin also said that Obama has refused to acknowledge that the surge worked, but in a Fox News interview last month, he said, "The surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated ... I've always said it's succeeded beyond our wildest dream."

Palin said, "we're getting closer and closer to victory," and "victory is within sight" because of the surge. That's far more optimistic than U.S. military commanders and analysts are. While the level of violence in Iraq is much improved, military commanders — and a report this week from the Pentagon — caution that the gains are fragile and threatened by a number of worrisome developments. Most analysts also say that, while adding the extra troops in Iraq last year helped, other changes may have had more impact. These included the decision by radical Shiite leader Muqtada al Sadr to agree to a cease-fire and a U.S. program that paid Sunni tribesman to fight Islamic extremists in their midst.

Palin incorrectly called the U.S. commanding general in Afghanistan "McClellan." The top military commander in Afghanistan is Army Gen. David McKiernan.

Palin attacked Obama, accusing him of voting 94 times to either raise or fight against tax cuts. FactCheck.org, a non-partisan watchdog Web site, called the claim "misleading." According to FactCheck, Obama voted against proposed tax cuts 23 times. He also voted 11 times for increasing taxes on families earning more than $1 million a year to help pay for Head Start school nutrition programs. Moreover, 53 of his votes were on non-binding resolutions on allowing scheduled tax cuts to expire.

Palin repeated a McCain campaign claim that Obama voted to raise taxes on Americans making as little as $42,000 a year, but that claim, too, is considered misleading. Obama voted for a non-binding resolution on budget guidelines assuming that the Bush tax cuts would expire on schedule in 2011. The resolution was not a vote to raise taxes.

Palin overstated Alaska's contribution to America's oil and natural gas needs. She said her state has "billions of barrels of oil and hundreds of trillions of cubic feet of clean, green natural gas." Natural gas is cleaner than oil or coal, but it still emits hydrocarbons when it's burned. Alaska produces 3.5 percent of all U.S. energy, 13.7 percent of U.S. oil and 2.3 percent of U.S. natural gas, according to the Department of Energy's Energy Information Administration.

Palin added that Alaska is building a "nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets." In fact, no building has begun, no federal pipeline approval has been issued and actual construction is years away — if it ever happens. This summer the Alaska Legislature, at Palin's request, passed a law under which the state will issue a "license" to a Canadian energy company, TransCanada Corp., and pay it up to $500 million as an incentive to attempt this enormous project, which Alaska politicians have long sought with little success. The license is not a construction contract.

Palin also put the price tag for the project at nearly $40 billion, an exaggeration. This is roughly $10 billion more than most cost estimates industry players and consultants have made to date.

Palin misspoke when she said that when she and others in the state legislature found out that Alaska had some millions of dollars investment in Sudan, they called for divestment "to make sure we weren't doing anything that would be seen as condoning the activities there in Darfur." There's no evidence, however, that Palin had any part in the divestiture legislation, and one legislator who was involved said there's been no sign of her.

Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, misspoke when he said "we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon." Hezbollah, a radical Shiite Muslim group, is very much alive in Lebanon, part of the government there, and in fact more powerful than it's ever been. Biden may have meant to say Syria, which under intense international pressure withdrew its forces from Lebanon in 2005 after a two-decade-long presence.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/

she was right and wrong about obama's stance on the surge

he has agreed that it helped to reduce violence...but that it has failed to push the political process

there are also many other factors that have reduced violence, including the defacto ethnic cleansing of every neighborhood and city throughout iraq (basically, bidens idea of splitting the country in 3 has come to fruition)

come on, when palin says that we have to wait for our own commanders to say when its time to go...the surge has failed

btw, factcheck.org is good, until they provide their own analysis of what caused the economic collapse

It seems to me a no-brainer that the violence went down. The insurgents couldn't keep up that level of violence forever. Eventually, they had to pull back and regroup. Military campaigns work that way. You have an offensive then you regroup and resupply. The violence level could go up again at anytime. I think it is a bit premature to declare victory in Iraq; this reminds me of the aircraft carrier job well done speech.

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This, " Palin overstated Alaska’s contribution to America’s oil and natural gas needs. She said her state has “billions of barrels of oil and hundreds of trillions of cubic feet of clean, green natural gas.” Natural gas is cleaner than oil or coal, but it still emits hydrocarbons when it’s burned. Alaska produces 3.5 percent of all U.S. energy, 13.7 percent of U.S. oil and 2.3 percent of U.S. natural gas, according to the Department of Energy’s Energy Information Administration."

Palin acts as if Alsaka's energy (oil & natural gas), only happened when she became Governor.
(she doesn't talk of the tax on the oil pumped that goes to paying every Alaskan resident a gov't check each year and how the higher oil prices cost the lower 48 states more at the pump. that increased the Alaska Gov't resident givaway).

Sort of Like when McCain talks like the Iraq War began with the Surge and nothing prior.

err, *image won't beat substance*

Tequila @ 141:

The American public has spoken, and substance won't beat image
in this race! FOX unsurprisingly rigged a poll in Palin's favor.

Just one? Come on, its FOX !
FOX should have many of those "unfiltered" unbiased polls . Fox is probably the only media valve Palin doesn't think has a "Filter" that keeps us from hearing her message.

If only I could hear her call me "Joe Six Pac", only then would I be able to vote for her.

A soldier who committed war crimes only gets eight months.

dadams @ 110:

i was surprised that s palin did as well as she did.
i was very disappointed that she chose NOT TO ANSWER
more than 50% of her questions and just went off
on a rant of gop talking points.

i was very proud of joe biden. he answered all
the questions and maintained a very civil posture
to palin i would have pounced at several of her
obvious lies.

I noticed this as well. Biden was quite civil -- just as Obama was in the first Presedential debate. Biden's responses were measured and thoughtful, and he had the hard numbers and facts to back up most of his arguments.

Meanwhile, Palin spewed forth a verbal diarrhea of platitudes and talking points with all the smugness of a halfwit prom queen. I wish I were saying that for the sake of being snide, but her demeanor smacked of someone attempting to compensate for marked incompetence by adopting a condescending tone and a mantle of self-assurance. That, and repeating the same sentence fragment three times whether it was relevant or not. At least there wasn't a "I'll have my staff look into it, and I'll get back to ya!" moment in there.

Was Dan Quayle even this bad?