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h/t Heather for turning me on to Comedy Central's Chocolate News. Here's some gold from before the election. Open Thread below...



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From the You Have GOT to be kidding me file. Sarah Palin holds a presser at a turkey hatchery - with a backdrop of a guy slaughtering turkeys. Warning…it is semi-grisly. I promise you, you will shake your head at this one. Palin is, indeed, the gift that keeps on giving.

How about those crazy Army folks who shredded documents after getting busted.

Micheal Moore sees the end of capitalism.

Uh oh...Obama is in trouble. Damn the American president who dares speak in proper sentences! Fucking elitist!

Damn you beat me to it!! ARGH! :D
I was going to post the caribou barbie fux up again story too.
Can you believe that woman? What a cosmic joke!

While I was in near shock, shaking my head, I could not stop laughing at her complete ignorance and cluelessness.

Remember the TV show "Get Smart"? The Cone of Silence (a cheesy plexiglas dome) would descend from the ceiling for really "private" conversations... remember? Sarah's got her own "Cone of ME" working. Nothing matters outside my space. Unbelievable.

...while the guy in the back was doing his thing with the turkey, Miss Sarah was talking about the budget,and the reporter asked her if there was "anything else on the chopping block!!"

I was so stunned by watching the background, I barely listened to what they said.

Honestly, you cannot make this shit up. It would tank if written as a piece of fiction as too out there.

Stuffing the turkey in that...whatever the hell it was...
I think he was gettin a kick out of being on the "teevee"...and Sarah...just smilin and flappin her jaw the whole time...
Amazing.

This from Steve Benen at Washington Monthly.

We're still quite a ways from knowing what Obama's entire team is going to look like, but this debate seems to be increasingly common.

"I think several individuals are very frustrated to think that President-elect Obama may just cut and paste from some of the Democratic operatives from the Clinton administration and put them into his White House," said Leslie Sanchez, a Republican strategist and CNN contributor.

Look, there's been exactly one Democratic president since 1980. If Obama's team is going to recruit like-minded officials for high-ranking government posts, there's a practical hurdle here that's very hard to ignore. As Kevin noted yesterday, "There are some fresh faces around for Obama to tap, but for the most part, when you're staffing highly visible and responsible positions, you want someone who has at least some experience to fall back on. And since Bill Clinton is the only Democrat to hold the presidency in the past 28 years, that means someone who served in the Clinton administration."

Or, as John Cole put it, "Where, exactly, is Obama supposed to find qualified people with government experience if they did not cut their teeth in the Clinton administration? From the Bush administration? Clearly, Obama is bringing in a lot of new blood, but I have no problem with old hands like Eric Holder being tapped for administration jobs."
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Are these capable, competent officials? If the answer is yes, and I think it is, whether they're affiliated in some way with Clinton strikes me as irrelevant.

Do read the whole thing.

Well, given that the basis for any community (local, national) is ethics and not managerial/economic/political technocratic skills nevermind the old saws about experience/loyalty/vision (all spins on ideology), why not look for some unencumbered, grounded, elderly, compassionate individuals who understand that disinterested participation - an ethical perspective if there ever was one - is the core of a democracy? Common folk, in other words.

There are many qualified people...but do they have any political acumen? Will they be able to accomplish anything?

I do believe that Carter got qualified people with little experience.

Am I wrong there?

Sorry, I do not want common folk. I want people who can get Obama's agenda through. That is what matters. Getting the job (as Obama has laid forth in his agenda) done!

BTW

Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber are common folk.

'Nuff said.

you missed my point. Note the qualifiers -- "unencumbered, grounded, elderly, compassionate" -- none of which apply to those two less than grounded and most definitely not compassionate buffoons.

You're joking right?

Sorry, I want people who can get things done, people who have the mindset to actually move the country forward.

Granted there are some older folks out there who could fit the bill as you state it, but I want fresh ideas...and experienced, skilled people to accomplish those goals.

These crotchety old white (xian) guys have got to go.

US stick market has lost 47% of it's value in 2 months.

Executives wanting handout money still flying around in private jets and voting themselves raises.

They have got to go!!!! All of them.

Seeya Ted Tubes Stevens. One down, many more to go.

Neither Sarah Palin nor Foe the whatever the hell he is this week are "common" folks and as a common person, I am a common person and I resent having them tossed into a bag with me. ;)

The only thing more painful than watching those turkeys being slaughtered in the back ground as Sarah Palin speaks is listening to Sarah Palin speak. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/20/sara...

cruel, tactless and in poor judgement. A true Republican.

I saw the turkey thing too---fortunately, MSNBC blotted out the gory details but Dipshit Barbie kept blabbering on, apparently oblivious to what was going on behind her. At the end, David Shuster said that the cameraman did ask her if she wanted to do the shoot with that ghastly scene in the background and she thought that was just fine by her. Jesus H. Christ, what a demented and sociopathic monster Palin is. This whole incident was just disgusting.

She's one of those "pro-life" "compassionate conservative" types. When she's not promoting shooting wolves from helicopters and severing their forearms, and drowning polar bears with her environmental policies, she's grandstanding in front of a man slaughtering turkeys.

What a twisted bitch.

love it! They love that she kills, believes in the end times, and saves them fetuses. They loves 'em some crazy beoyches.

News just in.

Their last update:

We're still following this closely, now just minutes after 11 PM. As best we can tell no news service has any new substantive information about the AG's health, other than the initial news that he began slurring his speech and then shaking and then collapsed. There seems to be no solid information about whether he regained consciousness.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department says Attorney General Michael Mukasey is "conscious, conversant and alert" after collapsing during a speech in Washington.

Spokesman Peter Carr said in a statement that the attorney general's vital statistics are strong and he is in good spirits. But the nation's top law enforcement official will spend the night in George Washington University Hospital for observation.

appointees must be going through a lot of mental stress.

...but somebody ought to check his water/wine glass, just in case.

... before Alberto Gonzales gets there with The Bill of Rights and a Zippo!

This from TPM, from an eyewitness report:

Attorney General Mukasey was roughly twenty minutes into a speech defending the administration's torture policies and particularly arguing against prosecutions of people who made decisions in the aftermath of 9/11 (essentially arguing against what he believed amounted to the criminalization of policy differences).

Methinks that, if you are a believer, God himself was NOT happy about this particular speech.

... comedian.

Now that is funny!

I missed this in the TPM article above.

Some seven or eight minutes prior to the incident a heckler start shouting, calling Mukasey a "tyrant." But the AG seemed unfazed by this; and members of the audience shouted the heckler down.

A bit anticlimatic, but here's the video.

Seriously. You could not write a character more ignorant, ghastly, tackless and clueless than Sarah Palin. She is a true Republican poster child. We need to do everything we can to extend her 15 minutes at least to the 2010 elections.

What a sociopath gosh darn it.

Agreed but, more disturbing, is that she is a reflection of the world-view and values of those who cheered her on and voted for her. That is one hell of a terrifying thought.

Palin runs in 2012, so Barack can get a second term.

The woman is bat-sh*t crazy I tell you. I can't believe there are people who actually wanted her to win, even after hearing her speak!

Children in Haiti are screwed, while China's shoddy housing codes already screwed over 19,000 of its children. A judge says five Gitmo suspects have to leave, since there's no credible evidence against them being terrorists. Paulson continues to be full of it, especially forgetting our last two crises under Republican Presidents were only 30-40 years apart. Don't pick Gates please, Obama. Congress expands unemployment benefits. Yesterday's news, but police use a taser on a pallbearer, and are forced to make a settlement for beating down May Day protestors.

I'm gonna have ham for Thanksgiving. Oh wait, they kill the pigs too?

But hopefully not behind where our elected officials are speaking...and kids can watch.

It might be hard to know who they are interviewing.

Personally, I would prefer to interview a pig. It would make much more sense than Palin's platitudes and gibberish bullshit.

That's why it would be hard. The pig would be easier to understand.

Yes as a matter of fact. Here's ya a nice video you betcha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHgj0C94_Mc

If you have a a family dog imagine this is your dog considering a pig and a dog are considered to have the same level of intelligence.

When I was a teenager, a girlfriend's father had a small slaughterhouse.
I was "treated" to seeing a pig slaughtered.
The sight was bad enough, but the smell of the room GOT ME.
Every time I smelled meat or sausage, I could not eat - for months.
I obviously still think about that time 50+ years later. I'd like to forget that time AND SARAH ALSO.

This is kinda cool: Mozart's Symphony No. 40

was excellent!! Thank you!

Hey

that's K.550. In G minor.

THIS is why I love the people here.

Thank you for that.

I can play on the piano, aside from Chopsticks, the easy part of 'Heart and Soul' and that knuckle song, that has no name.

And it took forever to learn.

that gives you a couple of legs (er, fingers) up on me. I have yet to master Chopsticks. :D

... but he kind of reminds me of Thelonious Monk.

(He did seem to learn it right away though!) :)

It was a piece of piss getting the water level in every bottle just right.

But seriously, folks, he skated right through it!

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Amazing what human beings can think up!

-we sure should be able to fix the monetary system and the economy..

And, I have an antique player piaano, so I just have to pump the pedals and I can have Mozart or Waller playing live, right in my living room. I play with my fingers, too, but not as well as I did in my yute!!

I meant to say now much I enjoy Chocolate News. I believe that new episodes are on Wednesday nights on Comedy Central (could be Tuesday...since I travel so much, I lose track of what day is what.)

Thank you for posting this.

It's incredibly funny. I'm happy to see DAG on TV again, he's one of the funniest men in entertainment today. He should have had the movie career Jim Carrey had.

This didn't have to be our future. When the scumbags took over in 2000, we were on a much different path. Look at all the shit they've done and they still think they should have a say in what happens in this country? It makes me violently angry.

They have always been a threat to us economically. Nobody can compete with slave and child labor. Nixon did no favor to the U.S. worker.

Man

We are so fucked.

I have had a really hard time, of late, not going into total philosophical mode.

The Dark Ages lasted something like 400 years. How many generations lived through that?

When people look back at the US over the last 40 years, we have gone from the greatest to...well, I am afraid to even think how far down we will go.

We may wind up being the first of how many generations who live in the streets eating dirt. We will be nothing but a blip of time in the historical timeline of human life, but it is OUR LIFE. This is the only life we have. This is the only life our children and their children have.

And Bush, Cheney and their neocon handlers and cronies have fucked it up for us and ours.

It's beyond depressing to think of what they have inflicted upon US and the world.

I suppose a better flavor of capitalism will be the result.

...I've been telling friends and family, and have posted here, for the past 2 years, that Cheney/Bush and their buds in the financial cabal were working very hard to take us down. Of course, most of them (family/friends) thought I was nuts.

I'm still not entirely convinced that they're actually going away, because of all the legislation, signing statements and Presidentila Directives they've put in place to give themselves near dictatorial powers. I find it hard to believe that they would really pass up the opportunity to put all of their "hard work" into action. This looks like the last phase - after they've "trickled up" al lthe remaining wealth.

This engineered financial "crisis" is just the kind of shock that they could use to declare a national emergency and start filling up those FEMA camps. I can't wait for Jan 20th....

This is going too easily and I will not breathe a deep breath until after the inauguration. I find it odd that they will just walk away from the power it took them more than two decades to create.

The MSM isn't telling us everything. Check some of the links while you are on the internet.

Which links are you referring to?

Reuters, but I know that I shouldn't have to tell you. You do a fantastic job.

But I feel like I have missed something by your comment. What are you referring to that the corporate media is blowing off?

I'm just being general, judging by the past. The media right now is focusing on the cabinet and the elections. We know that there sre many things they're not talking about.

This comment.

The Wall Street Journal article ends with:

Feel free: Banish Merry Christmas. Get ready for Mad Max.

d-day was slapping that fool around earlier today.

I just think the wingnuts are sounding more shrill and less believable every day.

BTW, Thanks for the links earlier. I like the site.

For you and your critters.

Steve Benen took it on earlier, too. It is a complete head shaker.

But then again, isn't everything GOP?

I will pass the song along to my fellow critters.

That was too cool!

Thank you!!!

... GNA.

Is BillO going to attack the WSJ?

is that we are godless.

No, seriously. By the WALL STREET JOURNAL!

It has been my view that the steady secularizing and insistent effort at dereligioning America has been dangerous. That danger flashed red in the fall into subprime personal behavior by borrowers and bankers, who after all are just people. Northerners and atheists who vilify Southern evangelicals are throwing out nurturers of useful virtue with the bathwater of obnoxious political opinions.

You have GOT to read this entire piece of tripe.

I hope the WSJ tanks in the amount of time it took Murdoch to fuck it up.

This time some Peruvian missionaries, no thanks to the CIA.

Odd

Bush just went to Peru. Gotta wonder why.

... about a dozen years ago?

We don't seem to have learned much.

You say yes
I say no
Palin saves a turkey
But when it comes to many turkeys
She says go go go

but she cooked her own goose.

> but she cooked her own goose.

Yes. Her goose has a name: Senator John McCain't. :-)

> She may have saved a turkey

That's cool. A real Christian she is, going around a saving things. So obviously she's tacitly admitting that a turkey's life is equal to a humans life, because she "saved" that turkey's life.

Jesus saves (is what they say, isn't it????)!!!!

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Kill Turkey, Kill!
Kill Turkey, Kill!

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Arraignment set for Cheney, Gonzales in Texas
By CHRISTOPHER SHERMAN

RAYMONDVILLE, Texas (AP) — A Texas judge has set a Friday arraignment for Vice President Dick Cheney, former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and others named in indictments accusing them of responsibility for prisoner abuse in a federal detention center.

Cheney, Gonzales and the others will not be arrested, and do not need to appear in person at the arraignment, Presiding Judge Manuel Banales said.

In the latest bizarre development in the case, the lame-duck prosecutor who won the indictments was a no-show in court Wednesday. The judge ordered Texas Rangers to go to Willacy County District Attorney Juan Guerra's house, check on his well-being and order him to court on Friday.

Half of the eight high-profile indictments returned Monday by a Willacy County grand jury are tied to privately run federal detention centers in the sparsely populated South Texas county. The other half target judges and special prosecutors who played a role in an earlier investigation of Guerra.

One indictment charges Cheney and Gonzales with engaging in organized criminal activity. It alleges that the men neglected federal prisoners and are responsible for assaults in the facilities.

The grand jury accused Cheney of a conflict of interest because of his influence over the county's federal immigrant detention center and his substantial holdings in the Vanguard Group, which invests in private prison companies.

The indictment accuses Gonzales of stopping an investigation into abuses at the federal detention center.

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War Crimes Conference – Retrospectives and Prospects
'Identifying war crimes and the perpetrators is a key part of post-conflict resolution'

Venue: Institute of Advanced Legal Studies, University of London

When: February 20/21 2009

Speakers Include:
Lesley Abdela,
Professor David Fraser
Michael Kandiah
Frank McDonough
Hans Pawlisch
Dr David Seymour
Professor David Sugarman

Prospective themes include:

~ The implications of the use of national/international courts and tribunals and the problems of jurisdiction
~ The role of the media in portraying war crimes, and the rhetoric used
~ Legal issues, e.g. the nature of evidence in war crimes trials; questions of jurisdiction
~ Witness perspectives: protection, access to courts; financial support; are their voices heard?
~ Witness perspectives: protection, access to courts; financial
support; are their voices heard? Do prosecutions serve justice?
~ The impact of recent trials, e.g. Milosevic and Saddam Hussein.

Presenters:
~ Lesley Abdela, specialist in Gender in post-conflict/post-natural
disaster reconstruction, and Gender in Humanitarian Aid
~ David Fraser, Prof of Law and Social Theory, Nottingham University
~ Michael Kandiah, Director Witness Seminars Programme, Centre for
Contemporary British History, Institute of Historical Research,
specialising in the Cold War period
~ Frank McDonough, Reader in International History, Liverpool John
Moores University
~ Hans Pawlisch, currently historian to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Washington
~ David Seymour, law lecturer Lancaster University, known for his work
on human rights and anti-Semitism
~ David Sugarman, professor of law Lancaster University, currently
working on the Pinochet episode

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with all the association that the wingnuts tried to tie obama to...why did they never go after his main fund raiser, penny pritzker?

the pritzer family has tons of skeletons in the closet, and they were the first to try tieing subprime to securities (causing a bank to fail and losing depositor's money)

to me...this is a no brainer

so what does pritzker have on the wingnuts that not one of them mentioned her, or her family

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From This Modern World:

Judge Patricia Wald, former chief judge for the D.C. Court of Appeals and jurist on the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, writing in the new report “Guantánamo and Its Aftermath” (pdf):

There are bound to be casualties when any nation veers from its domestic and international obligations to uphold human rights and international humanitarian law. Those casualties are etched on the minds and bodies of many of the 62 former detainees interviewed for this report, many of whom suffered infinite variations on physical and mental abuse, including intimidation, stress positions, enforced nudity, sexual humiliation, and interference with religious practices. Indeed, I was struck by the similarity between the abuse they suffered and the abuse we found inflicted upon Bosnian Muslim prisoners in Serbian camps when I sat as a judge on the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in The Hague, a U.N. court fully supported by the United States. The officials and guards in charge of those prison camps and the civilian leaders who sanctioned their establishment were prosecuted—often by former U.S. government and military lawyers serving with the tribunal—for war crimes, crimes against humanity and, in extreme cases, genocide.

From an AP story, June 30, 2001:

The dramatic decision to deliver Milosevic to the tribunal in defiance of an order by the Yugoslav Constitututional Court staying any extradition threatened to plunge the Balkan country into a political crisis.

Milosevic’s successor, Vojislav Kostunica, denounced the handover as ‘’illegal and unconstitutional.'’ Others accused Serb Prime Minister Zoran Djindjic, who spearheaded the decision, of ‘’treason'’ and knuckling under U.S. pressure….

President Bush praised Yugoslavia for handing over Milosevic, saying the move showed the Balkan nation wants to turn away from ‘’its tragic past and toward a brighter future.'’

U.S. officials said the administration planned to make a pledge in the range of about $100 million for a Yugoslav assistance package, to be discussed Friday in Brussels at a conference of international aid donors.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair hailed the handover as ‘’a thoroughly good thing.'’

The full statement by Bush, available on the White House website:

I applaud today’s transfer of indicted war criminal Slobodan Milosevic to the War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague. This very important step by the leaders in Belgrade ensures that Milosevic can finally be tried for his war crimes and crimes against humanity. During various visits by Yugoslav authorities to Washington, they pledged that Yugoslavia was committed to cooperating with the Tribunal. Milosevic’s transfer is a strong sign of that commitment. We are confident that the government of Yugoslavia will continue down the path of cooperation with the Tribunal.

The transfer of Milosevic to the Hague is an unequivocal message to those persons who brought such tragedy and brutality to the Balkans that they will be held accountable for their crimes. Milosevic’s transfer further signals the commitment of the new leadership in Belgrade to turn Yugoslavia away from its tragic past and toward a brighter future as a full member of the community of European democracies.

The United States stands ready to assist the people of Yugoslavia as they continue to take the difficult steps to advance its democratic and economic reform.

(Suggested by Glenn Greenwald’s reference here: “[T]here were early statement from the Bush White House in 2001 about how critical it was to prosecute these Yugoslav leaders for war crimes…”)

So much for "freedom" in Iraq...At least oil companies are taking a hit this winter, too.

Will Bush/Cheney be on American soil when the globulous propagations of executive orders hits the fan?
Will they be at some disclosed location performing a pagan pavane in celebration of the demise of American democracy?
Never before in OUR history has one man taken away so much from so many to give away to so few. For the preservation of OUR Constitution Bush/Cheney and all of their accomplices need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.We need to hold the Dems accountable for all high crimes and misdemeanors that have been committed in the past 8 years if they do not act to bring these criminals to justice. No measure of complacency or forgiveness should be tolerated if the Dems do not act to protect OUR Constitution!

His show is funny...but I got a feelin that Dave Chapelle is fuming over this show...

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