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Newt should have attended. He could have brought lipstick!
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/26/gingrich-...
The most trusted name in bullshit.
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you mean the Insurance companies get an untaxed windfall bill!
Iran can't even let a woman have a Nobel Peace medal. The U.S. and China don't want to reduce emissions enough to actually combat global warming. Military divorces are on the rise, for some reason. A judge demands Obama's administration stop blocking a 9th Circuit lawyer from obtaining same-sex medical benefits for her wife. Guns ruin a family Thanksgiving for good. Brazil wants us "gringos" to pay to stop deforestation of their country. Oh, and the markets continue to suck right now. Who's resurrecting the electric car?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34169108/ns/polit...
A new report from the Urban Institute argues that a “strong” public option — one that is triggered in the event that overall growth in national health spending exceeds a pre-determined target — may do more to control health care spending than the public option proposals offered in existing legislation:
In the absence of enough political support to pass a strong public option at this time, a “trigger” for a strong public option should be considered for inclusion in health reform legislation whether or not a weak public option is included as a political compromise. Even the threat of such a plan being triggered offers the potential to affect market dynamics between insurers and providers.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/27/trigger-u...
with a trigger. When does the government decide that the insurance companies have gone too far? Come on, they have already anticipated healthcare reform and have accelerated their price increases. A public option with a trigger will only prolong the problem.
I hate to say it my friend but, congress isn't that stupid are they? Maybe they just think we are.
I have to edit again. This report is more than likely a leak. If you think like they think, this is nothing more than propaganda to make us think there aren't many other choices. I'm of the opinion that if we don't have a strong public option out of the box, I hope Obama vetos it.
overall i agree. i want a robust public option that allows anyone to participate.
was never triggered. see medicaid part b. triggers are bullshit. it's bad enough the senate version won't go into effect until 2013, by which time insurance rates will be up 50%.
Sounds pretty funny to me. Yeah, let's... um... put a trigger in there, and... OH! LOOK over there at those shiny objects (sheep).
It's like being good all year so you get an Easy Bake Oven for Christmas, and you get a rotten old football.*
*true story
90 Things President Obama Accomplished The Media Didn't Report
Obama-47
1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
6. Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier's family
8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
10. Limits on lobbyist's access to the White House
11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren't even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
16. New federal funding for science and research labs
17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
20. New funds for school construction
21. The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
22. US Auto industry rescue plan
23. Housing rescue plan
24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
26. US financial and banking rescue plan
27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
I really get tired of the asses that keep saying he has done nothing.
I never say Obama has done nothing.
I say often that I don't like much of what he has done.
Potential savings in the millions while the we give $17 trillion to the Banksters
See #1.
Remains to be seen!
Yet be to withdrawn. This does not include private contractors which number nearly 200,000.
There will plenty more bodies where they came from. Hip hip hooray.
And he controls the media, right.
See number 5.
Ha ha, that's funny.
While he refuses to release torture photos. Obscure but enormously costly special deals to the Banksters. For instance $301 billion bad asset backstop to Citi, $118 billion bad asset backstop to BoA, Section 382 tax code giveaway amounting to hundreds of billions in black box credits for Banks which was authorized in the 'Stimulus' bill but not counted in the bottom line. This is all counted in the $17 trillion, and there transparency there, right? Wrong!
Check the the White House logs and see what a joke that is. This will be one of the funniest things you have said.
White House aids, like maids? This remains to be seen. I am skeptical.
He is still a war monger.
The net result after this 'phase out' was actually a loss. The budget increased. The entire military budget is one trillion dollars per year. More than ten times our nearest rival. Military Keynesianism will bankrupt us.
That's enough for now. The main point is you make long list of some of the penny wise and completely miss the pound foolish.
Not to mention the enormous moral deficit.
I don't doubt Obama has done a lot of good things, and more than any Republicans (like McSame/Palin) would ever do.
HOWEVER, it's like redecorating your house, when really you need new plumbing and wiring, and the foundation leaks.
Oh brother, are you gullible!
Have you ever read anything by Richard Cook?:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...
Also, here's the link to the press conference Single Payer/PNHP had Wednesday morning at The Press Club in D.C.:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/290273-1
Thank you Abby.
I am really doubtful about the Richard Cook piece. On the first read it struck me as a jumble of half facts and dubious analysis.
I will read it again.
I will watch the video later.
90 Things President Obama Accomplished The Media Didn't Report II
31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
35. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
41. Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program
42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
44. Expanding vaccination programs
45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
49. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry's predatory practices
50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
51. Lower drug costs for seniors
52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
54. Improved housing for military personnel
55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
57. Increasing student loans
58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
60. Established a new cyber security office
keep going. Only thirty more to go.
90 Things President Obama Accomplished The Media Didn't Report
Obama-47
61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
66. Improving benefits for veterans
67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
74. Making more loans available to small businesses
75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
86. Held first Seder in White House
87. Attempting to reform the nation's healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform
this ought to raise some hackles.
this woke me up a bit along with this:
Joe Klein Knocks Media Criticism Of Obama
It's that lousy far left media reporting, (NOT) that does such a good job reporting, (NOT) and our good friends here that just want to bitch about anything and everything.
I know they are going to bring out LIEbermen and at least one chainey, maybe both along with boehner and cantor and some other repuke. tweety has been revving up the repug talking points and I love that cartoon about stephie as the chainey pet poodle.
SUCK!
Compared to Bush, anyway. But he still needs to deal with the issues most important to the American public right now. Still, at least shopping has picked up from last year, if nothing else...Anyway, a robbery during Black Friday, thanks to the NRA.
You are gullible!
I get SOOO tired of Obama supporters who think EVERYTHING HAS TO HAPPEN YESTERDAY... and
I get REALLY PISSED at Republicans and Conservatives who, from the very beginning of Obama's administration,began to blame the Democrats for the MONUMENTAL MESS that was left by Cheney/Bush and their CONSERVATIVE MOBSTERS.
I think I'm going to send your list (with your name credit) to THE MORNING JOkE PRODUCERS... to start with.
It will take time and effort to debunk this list but a start is here
I contributed to Obama until his FISA treachery and criminality.
After that I was strictly off the bus.
Still relevant
It has probably been at the least 3 weeks since I last mentioned that I personally loathe and despise Joe Lieberman...............*sigh*, maybe I can get to it tomorrow.
...for desperate patients
22/11/2009
NHS bosses have secretly splashed out £1million of taxpayers' money - to STOP desperate patients getting life-saving drugs.
Bean-counters from Primary Care Trusts, which pay for treatments, have spent cash that could have been spent on health care to set up and run a pressure group to campaign AGAINST expensive new remedies.
That is really classy tabloid you have there, some other headlines:
A real tower of journalistic excellence.
less is more
At soup kitchens.
Get ready for more of this.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPvwGqq4Meg
Atta Girl Nell, the Irish will not be RCC victims again!
reminded me of chuck todd, well except he was a better reporter then todd!
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness that is killing America!
just watches msnbc, and then reports what they have. or they listen to the police scanner and send people with cameras to film blood, or funny vids. CNN is ambulance chasers.
No...it's not a fake site.
http://www.draftcheney2012.com/
Ba ha ha!
I watched BBC International last night and they were talking about the inquiry going on for Blair (Bush) lying Britain into the war. None of it would ever appear on American TV!!!!!
A few examples: Blair should go to trial, but never will. The Cabinet failed us. Our democacry is broken, and failed us: Blair acted as a dictator. Etc.
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