Beck has a happy fearmongering session on 'death panels' with Rand Paul
Glenn Beck is becoming the model for the Intentionally Obtuse bloc of America's right wing nutcases: At the very moment when it's becoming virtually unanimous -- even on Fox News -- that all this talk about "death panels" is the biggest load of hooey since black helicopters, he host a segment on his Fox News show with Ron Paul's son, Rand, proclaiming the threat of government-sponsored euthanasia real, real, real.
Of course, it came with a Beckerwockian caveat:
Beck: Tell me about – am I wrong in saying, without any inflammatory speech here, don’t call them “death panels”, just let’s call them what they are – you have a certain amount of money, you have a certain amount of people, you can’t -- they don’t -- you can’t give everything to everybody, isn’t it inevitable that you have to make tough choices?
Paul: Well, you know, the president says he isn’t going to pull the plug on grandma, but what I think he really means is, he’s not going to put the plug in in the first place, because you have to decide, some committee’s going to have to decide, what is the cost-benefit analysis for grandma? Grandma is not just your grandmother, she's a statistic, we have to decide, what is the cost to society to keep her alive? And I think she won't get plugged in. Her ventilator won't be plugged in if she's 92 years old, because society may say we don't have the money to do that.
Sounds like someone has been watching Soylent Green -- or maybe Logan's Run late at night. But then, what else should we expect for someone named after one of the world's worst now-deceased writers in combination with one of the world's worst living writers?
If Beck keeps this up, the stream of advertisers deserting him will turn into a flood. Which is no less than he deserves.
Must have been what we all thought but can't say here.
"If Beck keeps this up, the stream of advertisers deserting him will turn into a flood. Which is no less than he deserves."
I wish that mattered, but Rupert Murdoch will happily take a short term loss on every show as long as he can amortize his costs across the 1,000 Year Wingtard Reich he hopes to build on the corpse of America.
lost his edge. For crying out loud, he's buying NEWSPAPERS. Talk about bad investments. Nothing more unattractive than a doddering old control freak who's losing his hair and his money. And his "touch."
He can't buy the internets. These newspaper buy ups smells of desperation of a right wing propagandist attempting to control the message in the computer age. Keep throwing your money at grey print Rupert. Where's this guy's birth certificate anyway? Deport the Aussie fuck and tell Australia thanks but no thanks.
consumers as his concern. And he tries to pull in gullible MDs with that tax-break-to-serve impoverished populations within Amerryka b.s.
Yeah, right, let the system fix itself!
In a nation where most doctors employ their degrees for affluence rather than the practice of medicine, the money danglers will win out everytime!
solution they are attempting here too. Bribe doctors to move to areas that don't have doctors. One small town (pop around 7000) that is about a half hour drive from my house, paid the doctor's entire schooling, then built him a brand new house to entice his services. He was there a year, the house was put up for sale, and he moved to the US for more $$$.
Doesn't this shite-ball with the back-assward name see the awful hilariousness in what he says?
"some committee’s going to have to decide, what is the cost-benefit analysis for grandma? Grandma is not just your grandmother, she's a statistic, we have to decide, what is the cost to society to keep her alive? And I think she won't get plugged in. Her ventilator won't be plugged in if she's 92 years old, because society may say we don't have the money to do that."
How many words do you have to substitute here to describe the private insurance industry--three?
Unbe-effing-believable, how can the tiny gap needed to close this ridiculous argument still remain open?
Doesn't he make a reasonable point though? How would the government health plan's board of directors be any different than a private insurance company, if it has to operate under strict budget restraints? There are certainly going to be medical procedures and services that will be deemed too expensive or inconclusive to provide. In other words, like the current insurance industry.
Why do you anticipate a "board of directors." Seriously.
The idea for a board of directors comes from Tom Daschle's book on heath care reform. I believe similar provisions are included in the house bill.
of directors. It is such a corporate term. But someone will have to run the show. Rationing of some kind is unavoidable, but the insurance companies do it ruthlessly now. Get really sick, they drop you. Have a preexisting condition, you are not eligible for their coverage. Medicare right now is run quite well, and I have no doubt that it is better than the majority of private coverage. Except for the drug plan. That was just a give-away from Bush & Co. I don't think it can be rightfully called Medicare at all. It is simply another screw job by the insurance companies, courtesy of the GOP.
another give-away, to the insurance cos this time...
it is actually PRIVATE insurance, not medicare at all...
money then drained away - another way to kill medicare, as per gNOp wishes...
you don't know a thing about the bill and are just guessing.
Some stuff you can't make up!
the only question is by need, or by how much money you have. We have the latter system, the UK, France, Canada, Japan, etc have the former.
Take yer pick, and truly neither's ideal but the whole gettin' sick situation sucks any way so I'd rather deal with a possibly incompetent and/or petty bureaucrat than a greedy capitalist insurer.
And if you disagree that insurers are by nature greedy assholes than that's your benighted right.
do some research before your blanket statements
Some stuff you can't make up!
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Some stuff you can't make up!
should volunteer to work at free clinics and the system will take care of itself. Two problems.
1. Many doctors and nurses are overextended already and the specialists won't be there.
2. Those that can afford it aren't going to give up their tee time or waste their season ticket at mountain lodges for a free clinic.
Actually I always thought medical professionals should get tax breaks to off-set the expense of helping indigent patients,
But I'm not sure the tax code would allow that as it smacks of classism.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
come in? Pork barrel spending not withstanding. Your idea just makes too much sense. How dare you use logic and human kindness. Bastard.
tax breaks for helping the indigent will be needed if Obama's proposed plan is implemented.
Some stuff you can't make up!
"free clinics" are ran by just graduated doctors and people that are still in the system and not graduated yet. Not perfect, but if you can't get a family doctor, it does work.
Right now my daughter, who is in her last year of nursing, is working as a homecare provider, earning low income, but gaining experiences even though what these people require are actual nurses.
as a nurse in a neurological intensive care unit in a very large, for-profit hospital. They work the crap out of us. Twelve hours of running as if I'm crazed and dealing with all of the psycho-social issues that come with illness and many times dysfunction wears out a person. I'm lucky to put in my three, 12-hour days that I"m required. I wish I had the mental and physical energy to give my time, but many times I'm bled dry and need my days off to recover to return and do it again.
Also, I just gotta ask, are there really that many people out there that can work extensively for free?
No.
What an ignorant fucktard. He clearly has no clue how the healthcare system works in this country.
I never noticed that Glenn's head is shaped like a Potato.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Or that he can't coordinate his suits. Checkered shirt with a pin striped jacket? Geez....
Lay off the poor guy.
Rupert Murdoch is letting his monkeys fly anywhere they want these days. But they seem to be concentrating their shit-flinging party on death panels and Obama's Kenyan citizenship.
I take it Rupert doesn't want America to have good health care.
But you're not an American, Rupert. You're an Australian.
it has been working since the 1870s.
Some stuff you can't make up!
I've noticed that, since Beck's show started airing on FOX, O'Reilly has taken up a LOT less space on this blog.
That says something when O'Reilly suddenly becomes the voice of sanity....which he is, compared to Beck.
that you missed the blogs and videos where they defend their comments and behavior together.
Who really gives a F#$% what Ron Paul's son has to say? To my knowledge he's only credible due to the fact Ron Paul is his dad. These shows are pathetic, they will dig up anyone to tow whatever line they want towed. Beck might was well have invited Paul's dog on to agree with him.
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If Beck couldn't lie, deceive, distort, and fear monger, he wouldn't have anything to say.
"We market our products to people regardless of their political affiliations," she said. "Yet we do not want to be associated with hateful speech used by either liberal or conservative television hosts."
(We just want mindless Robots to buy our stuff without thinking)
LOL Ron Paul named his son after Ayn Rand? Wow...
He really has drank the libertarian kool-aid.
Oh Yeah!!
Divine Right of Kings (1600's); Divine Right of Corporations (2011)
Are you really surprised about that? Paul's a fruitcake.
I knew he was a fruitcake, i just didn't realize he was batshit, name your son Rand, insane. :D
Beck's helpless disciples would gladly pay per view to see a lynching, a rape, and definitely an assassination.
... the revolution will be televised so I can watch Beck's body parts be blown into 3 counties.
And the remainder impeached.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
he does seem to be someone who should be first against the wall when the revolution comes.
Divine Right of Kings (1600's); Divine Right of Corporations (2011)
how zhall I say, mit der terminolgy, cuckoo for ze coco puffs.
Divine Right of Kings (1600's); Divine Right of Corporations (2011)
Republicans have already approved and put into practice such death panels for euthanasia.
Don't forget the state of Texas (republican governor) deliberately killing baby Sun Hudson and senior citizens who are ill under the Advance Directives Act of 1999 approved by Bush.
funny, dumb and dumber are so worried about this obvious fiction, when they completely support reality: insurance companies decide who lives and dies based on the bottom line.
Exactly, so that the company could determine more about which accounts were not profitable or margining profitable. So with that new system, he was able, and the other executives to identify the accounts that they wanted to get rid of. And over the course of a very few years, they shed eight million members.
Some of them were shed by intention. Some, I'm sure, probably walked because the-- or left for whatever other reason, but they intentionally had this program to purge these accounts. Eight million fewer people were enrolled in Aetna's plans. Many of them undoubtedly joined the ranks of the uninsured, because their employers had been purged.-- former CIGNA VP, Wendell Potter on how insurance death panels
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/tr...
could i listen...
i must say, i kinda had hopes for this rand paul guy, but he's wacky...
and he has that whiney twang like his genial but annoying and wacky daddy...
still, i can guess he'll be charmin' the panties off those kentucky gals - their answer to the crush
their men have for sarah mcQUITTER...
...
did ya notice how beck minimizes paul while he's talking? ... he has the biggest (and most waste
of space) part of the screen, while clip art fills 2/3 of what's left, and the guest speaker gets
a teeny tiny leetle bitty corner...
heh...
I'll bet Rand's retirement plan consists of a basement full of 10 carat, white gold, Paul dollars.
did ron paul have an affair with ayn rand? Is Paul an Ayn Randian after all that constitutional hooey?
Some stuff you can't make up!
It's GOTTA be true....
If Randy'd been a girl, he'd have been "Dagne."
If no, then Murdoch will can him soon enough...
If yes, then all this is just self-important, self-congratulatory posturing.
It doesn't matter who the advertizers are.
It only matters that the are advertizers.
Beck draws eyes. As long as he does, he'll not lack for advertizers. When he stops, you'll not see him again except as a segment in "Where Are They Now?"
So the most expensive patients 65 and older, the ones on Medicare now, in the future after the expansion when funding for this program goes up, a fund held by the federal government, that can make money from thin air if they have too, won't have enough money to continue wasting money on older patients? A fund like social security, a fund that these same dimwits wanted to dump into the stock market before the colapse.
I only got as far as that, and shut it off.
...who are the ones always bitching about high taxes, and saying, "We can't afford that!" Isn't it the conservatives?
So by their logic, if Grandma dies because our national healthcare system doesn't have enough money, won't it be the Republicans fault?
As I understand it, Canada has had issues along those lines exactly. Damn conservatives.
even in Canada will never have enough money. The greed is so overwhelming that it really stuns you. The more money we put into our universal healthcare here, the more hospital beds close and nurses get laid off. It's unreal. Yet doctors, yes even mine, can somehow afford to take off upwards of 5 months a year to holiday, while saying they don't earn enough. Unbelievable.
did you know that many med students get financial aide that is supposed to be paid back with them going to areas that are underserved...and they would much rather default than do this?
so you really think that a simple tax break will push them to do pro bono work??
you ass
you fit your namesake...she was a horses ass too
and rand...ask yourself this...is the government going to force insurance companies into writing long term health insurance policies? cuz the insurance companies will not do this voluntarily....you dick
rand is proof that a couple of letters behind someone's name does not make them intelligent
Hey David, ever travelled to the US/Canada border in Manitoba? Sarnia? Windsor? Black helicopters travel the border constantly. If you visit, talk to the locals. You would be surprised at the number of "conspiracy theorists" you will run into who will give you endless stories.
Not sure why you linked that but it has nothing to do with black helicopters. Could you elaborate, for I haven't read any of your books yet. Thank you.
Paul says Medicaid has 50% overhead.
06:18 - Paul: "You could also get out of the way of the middle man. The Medicaid system that is collecting all the taxes, swirling it all around at your state capitol, and sending about 50 cents back to take care of people. All the sudden, it would be a 100% of it taking care of people instead of 50% of it being lost in the bureacracy of government."
Opponents disagree on the true Medicaid and Medicare overhead cost %, but I've never seen any estimate greater than 25%.
Aren't a lot of doctors just plain greedy? As in this example of the doctor who moved from the small Canadian town. More interested in $$$ than helping people?
Ron did not name his son after Ayn Rand. Rand, in this case, is short for Randall. After being known as Randall during his younger years, he changed it to Randy. Then, his wife took of the 'y' and started calling him Rand..
He's even made a YouTube video explaining the whole thing.
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