Glenn Beck was in top form yesterday, anticipating Scott Brown's win in Massachusetts by launching into yet another tirade about the Monstrous Evil Known As Progressivism. This one was flat-out eliminationist, describing progressives variously as objects fit only for extermination, including diseases and monsters:
Beck: Progressives were lurking like a virus, waiting for their chance to suck all of the blood out of the Democratic neck. They were looking for the opening to infect the system. And once they were inside that system, I warned in 2004, the Democrats -- it will be a battle to the end of your party to get them out.
... What we are talking about is an ideological movement that has set its sights on the destruction of the Constitution and the fundamental transformation of our Republic. It is called the progressive movement, and it has been using both parties for a long, long time.
But mainly, it's the Democratic Party that has played host to it. And this parasite has been feeding on that host.
If Obama does the smart thing and re-energize his base, however, Beck will consider that confirmation of his running theory that Obama is a closet black Marxist/fascist radical bent on destroying America:
Beck: America, if these people are only politicians, they will do what they did in 1994, and they will migrate, starting tomorrow, right to the center.
But if we're right, that these are Marxist revolutionaries, that these are progressives who follow Mao, they are gonna put the foot on the gas -- it's not gonna be pretty. And they will eat their own, the Democrats, first.
Beck is obviously reading the Massachusetts results as proof that voters are buying into the Tea Party movement's right-wing panaceas and are repudiating health-care reform. That may not be the case: Media Matters notes that Massachusetts voters already have universal health care, and the issue wasn't of much importance to Brown supporters.
But watch in the coming weeks for calls to Democrats to expel the evil progressives from their midst.
And Republicans, too, no doubt. Which will mean, according to Beck, driving out evil "progressives" like John McCain and Lindsey Graham.
To quote the famous designer Mogatu:
"Am I taking crazy pills?"
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
beck is just a tube worm with
diarrhea coming out of both ends
nonstop...
Then may Alan Grayson win
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
... we'll all know that he may have indeed raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.
We're just asking questions.
by goawd!
I heard that Glenn Beck DID rape and murder a young girl in the '90s. It's all over the interwebs so it gots ta be true.
I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so.....
I just read that, right here on C&L on a post in a thread. It MUST be true.
Glenn thinks Brown will most likely end up with a dead intern in his office.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4S2bG9Kobk
C&L, adding a link via the comment toolbar doesn't work. Fix it, please.
was he referring to Joe Scarborough or Gary Condit?
but it is only a matter of time before he ends up embroiled in sex scandal.
Watching his victory speech was the 1st time I had ever seen or heard him speak. After he creepily offered up his daughters....my very first reaction was to think that this guy is DEFINITELY going to end up hiking the Appalachian.
..here comes tea-bag universe.
I would love it if beck called me un-American to my face. That would be fun; I would have such a good time and it would be sooo relaxing.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
on the YouTube.
That would be therapeutic for sure.
Well…
I suspect Obama has been reading his Marx, because I sent him my copies…
There was a note inside that said…
Dude, this is Alice the Marxist, this is what you should do:
Nationalize the Banks, break the phuckers up and send the crooked bastards to jail, don't let them talk you out of that $149 billion in bonuses…
Nationalize the health care system, expand the VA, give the out of work insurance vampires socially respectable jobs…
Bring all the troops home, close Gitmo, put Bush and Cheney on trial and throw away the keys after…
Dismantle the MICC and start a real jobs program a la WPA 2.0…
Pass Card Check and repeal Taft Hartley, turn those Red States Blue…
There was more…
He did all of those things, and that proves to me that HE AT LEAST read my note…
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Go Alice!!
I was called "Chavez" last night for saying that the free market is a myth. Made me proud. ;o}
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
http://www.offthemarkcartoons.com/cartoons/20...
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No request for a pony for every household?
I mean, if you're going to make
demandsunrealistically obtainable requests, go all-in.Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Only reasonable SUGGESTIONS were made.
You should consider the difference between Marx (the economist who I consider) and Lenin (& Mao the revolutionaries who I don't consider).
It is good to consider such things.
You only THINK they are unobtainable.
Once we go bust, which is coming, things will change.
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...Carl and Debbie? Have you discussed with them the likelihood of moving such legislation through the Senate?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
The President proposes, Congress disposes.
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And here you've tapped into another serious Constitutional problem this country has. We have made the office of the president the end-all-be-all of national politics. And our executive branch is out of control.
I say it's time to rescind the executive veto. It only works as a "check and balance" if the president limits himself to vetoing legislation he feels is unconstitutional or seriously violates the rights of the people. As soon as one president decides that he wants to legislate, though, he can. He's on the honor system.
Take the veto away from the president, and give it to the Senate. All bills should start in the House, and the Senate can be convened to review legislation and vote it up or down. (With enough votes, the House can then override a Senatorial veto.)
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
since any legislation proposed by congress has to be passed through the senate?
Although I agree in the need to limit the veto power of the president (as well as the whole arbitrary pardoning power shenanigans). After all, it is the Supreme Court who has to evaluate the constitutionality of things. Right?
There are some serious issues with a system of checks and balances, in which one branch can bypass the other two (presidential pardons allow the executive branch to circumvent the judiciary, and executive orders can also be used to bypass the legislative branch altogether).
The irony of our system, it is that Congress is the most "checked" branch of the government? The house is the one component of the 3 branches which is the closest representative of the will and interests of the people. Congress has an organization which is somewhat representative and is elected directly by the people, unlike the Senate which gives an unfair representation, the executive branch is not directly elected (electoral college) never mind the supreme court which is the branch furthest removed from the people.
Almost it seems as if the founding fathers did not trust their people at all ;) Since only one of the branches is directly elected (and it used to be just half of that branch at that, since senators were selected not elected in the old days)
First, thank you for the serious response and inquiries. I appreciate the discussion.
I would distinguish the veto power from bona fide legislative power. The Senate is more than a vetoing body. It actually writes legislation. It is considered equal to the House, not a less-powerful upper chamber, as in most of the world's bicameral democracies. And many bills can, and do, begin in the Senate.
So, when I suggested giving the veto power to the Senate, I meant that it should only have a veto power, though I probably didn't make that clear.
Oh, no need to wink. That is exactly how they felt. The word "democracy" was pejorative in their times, and the founding generation feared the growing common man, Jacksonian sentiments of the following generation. Ever wondered why one party was the "Whigs" while the other was the "Democrats?" :)
I think Congress has largely abdicated its rightful power, and it's a shame. It should reclaim its rightful power, but it's too caught up in getting re-elected in our archaic and broken electoral system. I see nothing wrong with seriously checking its will, since I actually share the founders' mistrust of "the people" to be a rational entity that believes in individual liberties.
Heh, what I'm about to say is likely to cause an uproar (or be ignored). :)
The Senate offers unfair representation because we changed the system to elect senators directly. Yes, it always had an unfairness component, but the Senate was supposed to be a check on the national people by representing states as quasi-sovereign entities.
We could, I think, make the system work more fairly by repealing the 17th Amendment, and then making the Senate a veto-only body. That way, the national government would be democratic, but checked by state entities with their own concerns, instead of the simply unfair, overly-rural, small-state-rule representation we have now.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
the way you think, Karen.
The veto power is listed among the president's in Article II.
However, the executive order was never mentioned if I recall correctlly, and should be limited to the president's communications to his cabinet on how they are going to enforce a new law in good faith.
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Everything else comes from Congress. That's the way it's designed, anyway. If you think that it's a good thing that Congress has abdicated its responsibilities to the White House, that a dictatorship that employs a rubber stamp Congress is preferable to a republic, then you and I have a major disagreement.
As I've told you before, I don't think that you and I see things so differently. But there are differences: I'm a realist, and believe that change will- must- come incrementally. You're a utopian who wants it all now. The constitution doesn't allow for rapid change minus super-majorities. 59-41 doesn't cut it, nor does 60-40. 67-33 gets us talking, but I doubt you're going to find 67 people who can get elected to the Senate campaigning on your suggestions.
Gotta work.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
When Alice remarked that "the president proposes . . ." I don't think she was extolling the situation. I think she was just acknowledging that, since that's how it works, the president is the realistically correct authority to address.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
But quite aside from my little jibe, when the bailout happened I sent salvo after salvo saying do not to bail them out: Nationalize. Nationalize does not mean expropriation or any such thing. It means market value and control and it would have been expensive, but no more so than the bailouts. It would come after meticulous audits and the application of FASB standards for the valuation of assets. Some fat cats would have taken considerable haircuts, better them than the taxpayer. That is what capitalism has been about for 500 years. You pay your money and you take your chances. Sometimes you win, maybe even big, sometimes you go bust. Capitalists have been going bankrupt for 500 years. That is all changed with Crony Capitalism, too big to fail or jail and a bigger bust is on its way because of it. The first waves of foreclosures were about a million per year in '07 and '08. That did the banks in. Last year there were 2.9 million, this year there could be three million. They all hit the banks. They will need another bailout. Pay a trillion a year for the MICC and do one too many Bankster bailouts and you have a bankrupt country.
Marx said that capitalism would collapse because of its internal inconsistencies. It almost did in the Great Depression. Some of the things he predicted did not happen and to an extent his views of what would happen after such collapse sound like language from a long dead religion. But we are there again, and what Obama and the Democrats failed to do will make the situation very much worse.
All the other things on my list are quite reasonable.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
In my opinion, Alice, this . . .
. . . is one of your very best quotes.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
Marx didn't foresee Kaiser Wilhelm and the rise of the so-called "Welfare-State."
Additionally Marx was sloppy with his thinking, mixing positive and normative economy as well as history and physics, positing the Revolution of the Proletariat as an inevitable force, and not seeing that the Proletariat would set up their own experts to become a new elite class in society.
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I'm no Marxist, and I think a lot of Marx's thinking was indeed sloppy.
But the behavior of modern corporatists is about the closest thing I've seen here to the supposedly inevitable Bourgeois behavior Marx predicted would also make a (world-wide) Proletarian revolution inevitable.
The concept should make ya wonder, though . . . if it's all inevitable, why the need for a manifesto?
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
I have to leave, but I remember a section of The Communist Manifesto in which he described something of what we faced; corporations growing so large that they suck more and more of the revenue stream out of the system, until they're no longer sustainable, and essentially crash the whole system or require "bail-outs."
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Sorry kinda long:
"A similar movement is going on before our own eyes. Modern bourgeois society with its relations of production, of exchange and of property, a society that has conjured up such gigantic means of production and of exchange, is like the sorcerer, who is no longer able to control the powers of the nether world whom he has called up by his spells. For many a decade past the history of industry and commerce is but the history of the revolt of modern productive forces against modern conditions of production, against the property relations that are the conditions for the existence of the bourgeoisie and of its rule. It is enough to mention the commercial crises that by their periodical return put on its trial, each time more threateningly, the existence of the entire bourgeois society. In these crises a great part not only of the existing products, but also of the previously created productive forces, are periodically destroyed. In these crises there breaks out an epidemic that, in all earlier epochs, would have seemed an absurdity--the epidemic of over-production. Society suddenly finds itself put back into a state of momentary barbarism; it appears as if a famine, a universal war of devastation had cut off the supply of every means of subsistence; industry and commerce seem to be destroyed; and why? Because there is too much civilisation, too much means of subsistence, too much industry, too much commerce. The productive forces at the disposal of society no longer tend to further the development of the conditions of bourgeois property; on the contrary, they have become too powerful for these conditions, by which they are fettered, and so soon as they overcome these fetters, they bring disorder into the whole of bourgeois society, endanger the existence of bourgeois property. The conditions of bourgeois society are too narrow to comprise the wealth created by them. And how does the bourgeoisie get over these crises? On the one hand inforced destruction of a mass of productive forces; on the other, by the conquest of new markets, and by the more thorough exploitation of the old ones. That is to say, by paving the way for more extensive and more destructive crises, and by diminishing the means whereby crises are prevented."
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I have to admit I haven't read Das Kapital since I was 15 or 16.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Marx and Engels wrote the Manifesto for the Communists.
The work to consider is Das Kapital, a work on economics, which in those days was still political. Political economy.
It is a long read and tough, but I don't agree that the thinking is sloppy at all. He takes long detours on valuation which have lost favor in modern schools, and that is his point because he says all value comes from human labor (effort) a point that finds favor with me, but he was the first economist (whose profession came to be, it might be argued because of capitalism, though he uses the term capitalist and their system) who predicted that their system would collapse.
Sometime later, after the great crash of '29 when it looked like capitalism was falling, clearly with Keynes, economists started using formulas and they thought they had turned economics into a hard science.
That has not been working so well recently.
Keynes was a liberal, he was a capitalist who wanted to tweak and thus preserve the system.
Friedrich von Hayek in 1944 from his work The Road to Serfdom said that socialism would lead to a distrous end. He was turning the language on its head. Capitalism replaced Feudalism: with the New Deal in the USA and the presumed socialism in the USSR (see Chomsky for clarification of what really was going on here) socialism was seen as advancing. Hayek was arguing against the socialism, New Deal market regulations, Keynes tweaking and for a supposed free market. The beginning of deregulation.
Milton Friedman built on Hayek's work and his ability to turn language on its head. Friedman was the one who really did the damage. He created an ideology which captured Ronald Reagan and Washington.
But I say: there has never been any such thing as a free market, there never will be. The invisible hand is so because it doesn't exist.
An interesting piece on Hayek by Dan Geldon
here
On Hayek, Friedman and the Washington crowd that followed he says:
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
free market is a voluntary interaction. You can't have a free market when a "government" controls the money supply or when a "government" sets the rental (interest) rates on money. Rid yourself of "government" and you will have a free market.
Somewhere like Somalia perhaps?
Where the market is a problem because the pirates will come along do who knows what.
In Adam Smith's time the thinking was the market would regulate itself. Thus his invisible hand.
I suspect most of the folks here are working class (the 80%) and not the capitalist class (the 1%).
Though some are middle class: lawyers and engineers etc.
The working class, the middle class. they experience commerce every day by going to the store but that is not the experience of the capitalist who take their many millions or billions and make as much more from it as they can.
The working class and middle class NEED regulation to be protected from the capitalist class running amuck.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
the problems in Somalia are a result of people trying to set up a government there.
People who buy politicians in order to make millions or billions are not capitalist.
Libertarian Airlines has some awesome deals on direct flights to Mogadishu. I heard Somalia is lovely this time of the year.
like you, there have been atheists who were afraid to get rid of their religion too.
Why are you not on the first plane to Mogadishu? I am not the one making a case for the dismantlement of government, you are.
In this case, you are the atheist.... I am sure the irony was lost on you.
it isn't our government that controls the money supply or charges rent through a fractional reserve system. It is a private cartel of bankers, throught the private entity the Fed, which does that. Untilthat happened, it was the government who controlled such things, and it is to the government that such functions should return. Take the government out of the equation, and it will be the thugs and predators who control things.
but I was about to throw in my two cents that your suggestion about the banks was not realistic but I had no real objection to the rest of your suggestions. I guess that is moot now. Perhaps one day capitalism will collapse because of its internal consistencies. I don't think so because capitalism is a very flexible concept and does not preclude a just society that takes care of its people. Communism, on the other hand, will never actually be put into practice because of its internal inconsistencies. Well, at least as far as our species is concerned.. ants on the other hand seem to have it down pat. http://www.newyorker.com/fiction/features/201...
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Heh, I don't think Lenin really understood Marx. Or, if he did, he only used Marx's writings opportunistically.
Under classical Marxism, the last place a proletarian revolution should have erupted was on a giant peasant farm like Russia. So, Lenin had to convince the Communist world that there were actually proletarian and bourgeois nation-states, a concept antithetical to Marxism.
And then came Stalin, the so called Great Marxist/Leninist, who had apparently read the writings of neither, and thought it would be fun to be a genocidal dictator.
I'm not a Marxist myself, but if anyone is determined to prove him correct, it would seem to be the American Corporatists, who really do want to push subsistence wages on the entire world, while keeping all of its wealth for themselves.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
The vanguard of the proletariat was very not Marx.
From Marx's description it sounds a bit more like labor unions running their regions cooperatively in ultimately what might be likened to an international commune.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
In fact, humans being humans, they would run their regions competitively not cooperatively. In this respect communism is not one whit different than capitalism.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
... advocating for basic human dignity and the whims and tribulations of a spoiled pre-teen girl on her birthday, are somewhat similar concepts. Interesting....
I'm pretty sure Andy K's comparison stopped at the unlikelihood of passage. He was only saying that Alice's proposals were unrealistic. It is a hyperextension of his analogy to claim that he argued that requests for human rights and requests for a pony were similar in substance.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
the responsibility for bad analogies lies on those making them, not on those pointing them out.
The pony narrative is getting real old...
The reader still has a responsibility not to hyperextend an analogy. Not that a writer should not be as clear as possible, but all analogies are prone to that fallacy, and an analogy is not bad just because people will misunderstand it.
Implying that Alice's proposals have as much likelihood of passage as legislation to give everyone a pony is not the same thing as implying that the proposals are equally illegitimate. I think you inferred the latter improperly.
There was a debate a while back in which C&L's Logan Murphy argued that homosexuality was okay because it was natural. A commenter said that many impulses were natural, like the impulse to murder, but that does not make them okay. Murphy responded with, "So you're comparing homosexuality to murder?" It was a hyperextension worthy of FUX News. Of course, there is no substantive comparison between homosexuality and murder. The point was simply that merely being natural is insufficient to justify the impulse toward either. Toward anything.
If hyperextension is the right of every reader, every conceivable analogy must be accompanied by disclaimers and qualifications. It makes discourse unnecessarily difficult, and immediately puts the reader in the position of assuming his audience will not understand him, which itself will be misunderstood as an insult.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
... that is a very nice (and creative) rhetorical excursion. But all that hand waving still does not change the fact that the figure of speech involving the pony has a very specific meaning and connotation.
And you know that I know that the previous poster knows what that specific connotation is. :)
Conversations like these are why I quit C&L in the first place.
I'm done again.
Dear C&L, please cancel my account. And this time, do it for real. Do not tell me that it will cancel itself after a certain amount of non-use.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
Please reconsider. I do enjoy reading your comments and remarks. I wish you would reconsider.
Don't let some new guy bum you outta here.
Be well Karen.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I try to do both.
I regularly visit a Tourette Agency too book flights of fancy.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
For someone accusing other people of hyperextending, it seems odd for you to take a response which was intended to be humorous in such a personal manner.
I apologize if I did upset you.
However, if you find opinions which differ from yours so upsetting, maybe an internet discussion board is not be the best of venues to visit?
You're confusing hyperextension with hyperconsciousness, but I would've preferred to use the term Argumentum ad Reductio.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Oh, and as Lou said to Chief Clancy Wiggums, "If you have to explain a joke, it's not funny."
Of course that doesn't explain dennis miller either.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I meant Reductio ad Absurdum.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
... but isn't Argumentum ad Reductio a redundant redundancy?
It means argument by reduction, but I don't think it's in general usage.
It's a counter move to someone using Argumentum Verbosium.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I was my lame attempt at a Latin joke
The terms for 'argument' and 'reduction' in Latin, under certain contexts, can be thought of as being synonym. Not 100% equivalent though, since reductio has the implication/stigma of it possibly leading to a fallacy.
I just had a whole "come...on stay" message typed up and my fat finger hit some key and I lost it all. :-/
I was really liking your comments here, Alice kicks ass, Andy, ysb and many others. Don't hurt the rest of us just because you run into some rash banter, just ignore it.
If you don't want to waste your time don't do it. I for one appreciated it. The way you explained things, I was understanding the issue(s) better. Now before I glitch out of this, I hope you continue to comment, if not, I wish you well and thank you for your time. ♥
Study the symptoms not the virus...
You're absence would create a hole that nobody else would be able to fill.
been a voice of reason and a source of knowledge Karen and if you are serious about leaving you will be missed. I hope you find a forum for the reasoned discussion at which you are so adept. You may yet have my e-mail on file and if you do kindly let me know on which forum you might be found.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
She is one of the smartest people here to comment.
Not to mention she's a helluva nice person too.
Thanks alot.
Well C8Hio whatever the fook your name is. I hope you're smarter than she is.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I know I like practicing my paralegal training.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
... but can you do perpenlegal too?
That's what the lawyers at Gitmo did.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Alice's list is so chock-full of requests that are impossible to be granted, due to the make-up of both Congress and the electorate, that she may as well ask for a pony.
To think that Obama could nationalize the banks and health care, that he could dismantle the MICC in the political atmosphere of the last 40-80 years is a detachment from reality. However, it is realistic to make a long term goal of swaying the hearts and minds of voters- particularly in the solidly red states of the South and West- but doing so isn't just the job of elected progressives, but all of us to the left of the political center.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Two cents worth
Hasa Diga Eebowai
only one qualification is required in the case of Logan's analogy and that is the golden rule. If an impulse is natural and harms no one else then it is neither immoral nor unethical.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
The more people will know he is a moron as well as his followers!
"What we are talking about is an ideological movement that has set its sights on the destruction of the Constitution and the fundamental transformation of our Republic."
..how supportive beck is of w's administration and palin's ascendancy. Talk about destruction of the Constitution, etc. as if we didn't really experience 2001 to 2009.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
By and large, Americans regard the Constitution the same way they regard the Bible: They haven't actually read it, but they're certain anyway that it sanctions everything they already like, and condemns everything they don't.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
> sanctions everything they already like
like government health care, government motors and bank of obama?
...
Funny you should say that, albeit hours ago.
It finally hit me on my long bus ride home that it is generally those with a learned sense of failure that look toward strong leaders (while contradictingly denouncing strong government,) that also tend to be a little too enthusiastic in reading the Bible with it's strong God and lesser entities. This is because they can't find the strength within the seek strength without.
Of course conversely, one could argue that those who want stronger government also feels a lack of strength inside, however, I think that all depends on how active they are in the process, and I don't think they're approaches to religion are consistent among themselves enough to generalize.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
beck's coming too late.
the constitution is destructed.
if you disagree, tell me a single law that congress does not feel entitled to pass. or even a major one that the supreme court has overturned.
Beck is such a predictably boring clown.
There. I fixed it for him. Those hell-bent on destroying the Constitution and fundamentally transforming our Republic are cowardly authoritarians like Beck, Know Knothing Knation and proto-fascist Corporatists, not progressives. Unfortunately, the one thing they're good at is projecting their own sinister desires onto other people. The most terrifying aspect about it is that many of them know it. They are fully cognizant of what they are doing.
But hey, Beck's version is only a ridiculous caricature of "the wrong lesson," as it will surely become known among progressives, that Corporatist Democrats have already started touting. Frankly, I don't think people like Evan Bayh are actually drawing the wrong lesson. They're so eager to learn that "we've gone too far left," that they've really already learned it sometime back in the 1980s. Now, they just have a chance to say it out loud again.
They'll be aided and abetted by well-meaning, genuinely progressive Democrats who really do draw the wrong lesson: The System Sucks, So Take What Little We Can Get.
Bah! Teach that to the Democrats who will now drop out of activism altogether, and you'll solidify their decision to do so.
Let's draw the right lesson: It's time for a long-term, serious progressive movement. Infiltrate the Democrats the way Know Knothing Knation has infiltrated the Republicans, and worry less about "the next election" than a long term strategy to change the party and the electoral system.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
or expressing joy when connecting Carter to "gas lines and burning helicopters"?
Bastard.
If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
- Adolf Hitler (R)
We can either fade or push the social ideals that will change America for the better at 100x the current rate.
One is a losing bid, the other a shot at winning for the good of the people.
"Marxist revolutionaries, that these are progressives who follow Mao..."
"marxist revolutionaries" who "follow mao"? jesus, at least understand what the fuck you are talking about before you toss out pro-genocidal invectives.
Anyone who actually will toss out pro-genocidal invectives is, almost by definition, someone who will not know what he's talking about.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
good point
Obama's a closet black?
Reminds me of PeeWee Herman letting out that "E-h-h-h-h-h-h-h" sound, like a car horn under running water.
The main social disease in America right now is right wing ideology. Any movement that actively tries to silence academics and intellectuals, including any any every piece of information based upon evidence, is almost by definition bad for society. I despise Beck and all those like him.
Dear Glenn,
Due to the huge dissatifaction on the left of Obama's actions as President, please begin to use that to drive a wedge between the whites and blacks of the left. It'll be easy, and you'll only be asking questions. Good job, soon progressives and the left will be a thing of the past.
Love & Kisses,
Ru
At times it strikes me as really quite remarkable that we have someone like Beck using this kind of eliminationist language so freely and unapologetically.He is this close now to actually coming out and saying that progressives are vermin that need to be exterminated.Apparently this is a perfectly acceptable thing to say now.This situation has been going steadily down hill since Chief Justice John Roberts intentionally tried to destroy the President's swearing in ceremony,which in hindsight may turn out to have been the apex of Obama's term in office.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
I really don't want to start drinking this early...
Cue the Kabuki....
The word liberal has become a four letter word. Bleck is trying to do the same with the word progressive. When progressive becomes naughty and we feel the pressure to rename ourselves again they will start on that word. We need to stop feeding this cycle.
I am a Liberal, a proud liberal. We need to take back the term. Its a great thing to be. We need to remind people what it means, and what it doesn't mean.
"As mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government."
George Washington, 1790
Red and Commie are out of date.
Terrorist and liberal are getting old.
So why not progressive? It's the opposite of everything they stand for which is regressive.
I'm sure they'll hand us out badges or gold stars or pink triangles soon, so we'll be more identifiable. And maybe they'll arrange some housing for us, complete with shower facilities too!
I think they'd rather just shoot us.
that's good too, I'm sure they won't want to waste all those Bible bullets the military has.
You ever seen the movie Curse of the Undead from 1959?
No links on Youtube.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
not a curse.
is the Amon Goeth of Foxnews?
Wed, 01/20/2010 - 13:40 — Liberalicious
Red and Commie are out of date.
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What about Bob & Connie?
Or Red and Kitty?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3vqTcanU18&fe...
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"This video contains content from Carsey-Werner LLC, who has decided to block it in your country."
What was it, ysb? I'm curious.
Red and Kitty Foreman getting high without knowing it on Hyde's cannabis brownies
You know, like Canadian cup cakes.
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Sounds like sweet treats!
I too am passionately proud to be everything Glenn hates.
I am a Progressive Liberal Social Democrat and I am the Anti-Beck.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
drop the Democrat part, it's contradictory now.
point taken,however I would prefer that those elected to office who have chosen to behave contrary to Democratic design and principle go first.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
you could just say:
I am human and I have a heart.
there it is.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-2ZHIaw5yQ
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
the rotting corpses of my beloved grandparents, have far more humanity still left in them than Glenn Beck will ever dream of achieving.
The scary part in all this is not Glenn Beck himself. But rather the fact, that there are quite a few viewers of this freak which nod to his every word, and think "you know what, this makes perfect sense!" That is what I find frightening. Because I am sure this douche doesn't even believe most of the crap he makes up.
Yeah, one of the local NIMBYs declared himself to be a New Dealer before denouncing the aforementioned on a local forum. Somehow, I'm not buying it.
yeah, quote washington using the word "liberal" when it had a totally different meaning than today
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100120/ap_on_bi_...
Kee-ryst, I didn't think they could chop it up anymore than it is. They'll probably make it an even better deal for health care companies and their ceo's.
Sorry for the off-topic post.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Why don't they just pull up the Massachusetts health bill and do a search a replace between the terms Massachusetts and the United States?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
From Media Matters:
A Year Of Opposition: Fox News' War On The White House
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
It's classic Wall Street strategy.
Rupert Murdoch, Dick Armey, et.al. are staging a hostile takeover of the US government. The Tea Party movement is their shadow corporation.
I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so.....
that newscorp is funded by:
Saudi Arabia!
So when Russia changed from being Tsarists to Marxists, that made the Marxists Tsarists?
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Except: worrying about this shiny distraction (or more properly: using this shiny distraction as an excuse to move to the right) and buying in to the discredited meme that we must be afraid of the teabagger lunacy of the month is what cost the Dems the election.
The people that stayed home (or especially those that voted Republican to punish the Dems) didn't do so because they believed the crap shoveled by Beck, they stayed home or switched their votes because the Dems have proven themselves to be corporate whores.
Check some numbers.
But Glenn Beck, the guy who couldn't even fill a decent sized football stadium with his heavily hyped and financed 9/12 national rally, is the cause for concern. Please.
If Massachusetts has said anything at all it's that fearmongering using Beck, Palin teabaggers and ilk may no longer be enough to shove more ConservaDems down our throats.
Beck can't drive "progressives" away. So called "progressive" positions still show majorities in polling. But ConservaDem serving fearmongers who over-hype his importance and danger will certainly try to use Beck & Ilk as an excuse.
Some highlights from the above poll:
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Unfortunately, everything he said was true. We progressives must start calling ourselves what we really are: Communists!
This is one of those times his keepers made sure glenn was force fed his meds. He was strapped into bed at the right hour, he was woken and walked around the ward before it was time to put crying powder in his eyes.
This is GB on his game. This, HA, is as good as it gets. What a fucking loser. Only FUX would pay this turd. He explains all his mental meltdowns in the last year were due to progressives. Never mind his own testimony that refutes that. Never mind that he basically shat his pants on TV because the EVIL DEMOCRAT party was going to eat our children and kill our grandparents.
Now he is on his game. Tonight is the night, for him to reconcile, for him to EXPLAIN why he had to act like a turd on LSD for a year. He was doing it because of ...... Wait for it ..... the PROGRESSIVES (insert Nazi, Socialist, Communist, Maoist, Martian).
The play book artists have given glenn a new direction. Now they are certain they can divide the Democrat party by playing the center against the left. Expect 9 more months of this shit.
spell that?
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
It looks to me the corporations have been reading their Marx and other communist authors. They are ones who have Trotskyist propaganda organizations (Heritage Foundation, Center for Economic Prosperity), the party media that stays on message (Fox, Limbaugh, Wall Street Journal), a vanguard party (CEO's, the rich, Religious Leaders), cultural hegemony (religion, real Americans, consumerism) and a totalitarian economic policy (privatization, free markets, IMF, World Bank, etc).
The corporates are international revolutionaries that look to remake all countries in their form.
The organizational structure is taken from Marxist/Leninist mold. The ends are opposite but the means are the same. "By any means necessary."
The system we have is much more effective for control than say Soviet Marxism because they do not rule alone. They have the Democrats to blame for everything. This is crucial in deflecting blame from the culprits. Communists should have taken that into account. If you are the only party, you are the only party the people can blame.
He's actually trying to say that the Democrat party will be more popular if they act more like Joe Liberman? WTF? I'm expecting that the usual right wing mouth piece cabal will now start saying this to scare Democrats into not being progressive. Which is exactly what the GOP truly wants.
is a real hoot.
I'd bet he could get people to believe him if he could only get rid of the schools... oh, wait... never mind.
The fact that he's pivoted from going after liberals to going after Progressives is illustrative of the strength of their side and the weakness of ours.
For about 30 or 40 years now conservatives have successfully made liberal into a dirty word. Rather than taking ownership of the word, proudly proclaiming liberal icons and traditions from the founding fathers to Abraham Lincoln to the civil rights and gay rights movement we ran from the word and started referring to ourselves as progressives. Now he's demonizing that and undoubtably we'll retreat again and start calling ourselves something that will be temporarily more palatable then progressive. Maybe we'll call ourselves the Centorions! At least we'll sound bad ass!
But the bottom line is this, if we can't even hold our own on language, how can we hold on legislation?
If that asshole is indicating that he and his thugs are going to exterminate progressives,I wonder if it could be construed as self defense if some fanatic progressive who fears for his life blows him away.I would never do such a thing as I am a pacifist,but I just wonder.
I'd be willing to bet that he has never even read anything that Marx wrote. He is such a fucking fraud.
is the name of the long awaited follow up, to the hit single "Der Kommissar" by Austrian singing legend Falco.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbFEaOH31fY
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
I hope I never run into you on the streets. I would much rather continue to live my life OUTSIDE of prison.
It seems to me like they might be. This "we need to include Republicans in the process" thing they CONTINUE to do makes me think that they are and that they will continue to try to get Beck and others like him to stop saying they're "Marxists" or whatever by trying to act more and more moderate. WE all know this won't stop them from doing anything, but the Democrats seem to believe it will. This health care debate has been going on for 8 months and the Democrats have conceded all sorts of nonsense to conservatives and STILL no Republicans support the bill. So the only reason I can think of that Democrats are doing this is that they want Republicans and their commentators to notice that they aren't any of these things... even though they know and we all know THEY AREN'T ANY OF THESE THINGS!
Beck talks about liberals and progressives with a sense of urgency that we are an enemy that must be wiped out- am i hearing him incorrectly? He seems to be calling for violence against progressives and liberals...
... he is going to bring one of those chackboards he uses in his show with all the nonsensical "analysis" he scribbles on them. And he is going to be all serious and excited about an epiphany he had the other night while he was crying himself to sleep because he loves his country so much.
The monologue will go something like this:
"My dear friends, we have discussed previously in our show about the liberal problem and what to do about it. I know many of you feel there is nothing that we can do, that they are going to "win" that these are trying times. But I have exciting news,... here it is, my proudest achievement from God's mouth to my mighty white chalk.... I call it "The Final Solution"......"
If that's true, and Beck continues on his course, he'll prove he's a Fascist pig.
This guy is truly dangerous. I remember watching when one of his fanatical followers called in and said: "Just give us the word"! Which I assume meant for them to attack. Beck is drowning in his own megalomania and hysteria. He's the real threat.
Hey Glenn, nice use of Vick's Vaporub...
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