Compare and contrast: Glenn Beck and Father Coughlin
One of Glenn Beck's favorite claims about the Tea Party movement -- and the surge of right-wing populism that he's leading -- is that it isn't about parties, it's about being American. And being American, of course, means being conservative.
He was on this briefly again last night:
Beck: Well, the media may be surprised, but I'm not. I think the days when people vote for Democrats or Republicans no matter what -- you know, if it's an R or a D, I'm just gonna pull it -- I think we're seeing the end of those days. For so long, we've bought into the Rs and the Ds -- you know, we're really at a one-party system at this point. We needed to identify ourselves as one or the other, even though it didn't really make a difference. And that label was much more important than the real label we all should have been wearing, and that is, American.
Progressives have put their agenda now into hyperdrive, and it is so crystal clear that their final goal is anything but American.
This claim -- to represent the real America, one that transcends political parties -- is the historic claim of right-wing populists throughout history.
Compare Beck's rant last night with this remarkably similar rant from Father Charles Coughlin, the renowned anti-Semitic radio preacher, in 1936:
And yes, Glenn Beck shares Coughlin's views on the Federal Reserve, too.
Father Coughlin looks like the Pillsbury Dough Boy after getting punched in the face?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Obama and the Democratic Party already did it for him!!!
http://www.commondreams.org/video/2010/01/19-1
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
glued to their legs, then clearly progressives need to grow a pair, else Obama and Co, could not have stopped them.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
It's about insane republicans!
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness and it is killing America!
"The mighty Oz has spoken!"
he does sound like the All Powerful and Mighty Wizard of Oz
Don't pay attention to the man behind the curtains. What do you mean there's no curtains?
Hope he's not taking a shower.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
"For so long, we've bought into the Rs and the Ds -- you know, we're really at a one-party system at this point."
Oh dear.
So many ways to deconstruct this (ironically) true statement,yet so little point.Great pic of stupid BTW,with neck pouch inflated and eyes a gleam and a goggle.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
All Mister Turkeyneck has to do is straighten that left elbow and the craziness is complete.
Yes indeed.
A gesture no doubt dear to Glenn's black heart.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Bipartisan center or
Bipartisan fringe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pVV4n2lKHk
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
"If you kick out the gooks, the next
thing, you have to kick out the chinks,
the spicks, the spooks and ****s.
All that's gonna be left in here
are a couple of brain-dead rednecks."
AKA "REAL Americans"
Y'know, morons...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txrikNFX-8E&fe...
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
exactly
or typically any Republican, you believe that progressives "final goal" is anything but American. So then, pray tell, Glenn, what is our final goal ?
what is our final goal ?
Force people like Glenn to eat free range chicken?
Have his show *gasp* fact checked?
Piss test Rush Limbaugh?
Sell George Will's glasses on Ebay?
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
forcing Glenn to eat free range chicken, Mr. Bait.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
*wink*
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
i am by no means an expert on father coughlin, nor glenn beck... but it seems one of the most glaring differences is that father coughlin (however anti-semitic, or however anti-banking, anti-capitalism, anti-communism) REALLY believed what he was shouting and railing-on about. glenn beck, not so much. beck is a puppet, a product, a cardboard cut-out. and i would actually (as i choke back vomit) respect beck more if he was actually sincere in his rightwing faux-populism. [granted, having no respect for beck, i can ONLY have more respect]
while spouting out this kind of crap while believing it is one thing....free speech and all, spouting off said crap and just doing it for money and to cause chaos, which is way Beck does, is infinitely worse. It's the sign of a dishonest, unethical, immoral and downright evil sociopath.
its just "show biz" for him. Take the money from the suckers, uh, er, I mean, "true Americans".
that the public pays Beck's salary.
He does it because Faux pays him to cause chaos which he revels in.
Ya, his producers employ him.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Beck is a performer - unfortunately, he is very good at his act, and the US of Stupid laps it up.
Oh, and 'real Americans' are white, live in the mid-west or south in small towns, go to church every week, and vote republican. I grew up with them (and left as soon as I could.) It's pretty ironic, since the only characteristic Beck, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, etc. share is skin color. Which is, of course, the most important part of the litany.
I wonder if Rush Limbaugh had any medical treatment by people of color when he had his heart episode in Hawaii. I'll bet that caused him to pause.
I knew a guy who worked as a radio disc jockey. He told me that it didn't really matter to him if he was playing rock, country or whatever, because after awhile you don't really hear the music anymore. It's just "material" that you're broadcasting, and you're just sitting there selling it.
I suppose that's where Beck gets his seemingly endless gall. It's not courage that drives him, but boredom. The crap he's spouting is just "material" from Rupert Murdoch's boundless room full of typing monkeys. The people that think Glenn Beck is wonderful are so empty-headed, so lacking in personal initiative that they'll believe whatever garbage Fox News pours into them.
The wind whistles a lonely tune between the ears of a Glenn Beck fan.
Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJkxBLgd5Hs
At least he was a gimmick free serious music DJ ;)
I was with him for the first paragraph. Voting the straight Republican OR Democratic ticket just because of the first letter there is in fact idiotic. Not like it makes any difference who you vote for, in most of the country, but whatever...
I'd still love to see the country end up with a Conservative (tea?) party, a centrist-corporatist Democratic-Republican party, and a Liberal party. Imagine -- a CHOICE instead of a corporate stooge who either pretends to care about gay marriage or health care, depending on that first letter!
Father coghlin didn't have his own Republican TV station. We can always hope that when the Republicans wash out POX Theatre will wash out with them.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Why do a few private bankers have the Power to Print almost with no oversight all the US Currency (And to control all the US Gold Reserves in the same way)?
Grayson and Kucinich support that too.
An economy based on debt. Money that loses 3% of it's value every year (do the math) when it's working properly! The need for exponential and unsustainable growth just to stay alive.
Glen Beck aside, I have an honest question for you David, how is the Federal Reserve a good thing?
That much at least isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Keep ignoring it at your peril if you want to let the banks continue to screw you over year after year. Until we change this, the common man will always be at a disadvantage.
Article I Section 8 and 10 are crystal clear.
Click here to see what the dollar bill use to say, look at it closely.
Click here to compare it to the Federal Reserve Note's in your pocket now.
If you disagree please respond with a post defining the difference between "price" and "value" and then tell me what intrinsic value the dollar has today.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Is this question going to be on the final?
Didn't you bring the blue book?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
..Progressive Movement in America but I support the idea of a strong Progressive Party in America especially one that recognizes what this nation's population want and need in terms of a Representative Government. However, I DARE beck to say this to my face:
"Progressives have put their agenda now into hyperdrive, and it is so crystal clear that their final goal is anything but American."
F - U beck! I don't understand how a person who wants to see 47000 less Americans die every year because they don't health insurance get that insurance and perhaps live a better life. If people like beck had their way, we'd all be eating dog food and dying in even greater numbers. The t-baggers have nothing to offer; beck has nothing but hate and stupidity to offer and I've had just about enough of that wooden spoon (its the wooden spoon that stirs the stew and my apologies to all the wooden spoons out there that are smarter than he is).
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Is Beck trying to say we will only have the tea party?? Did he say that with tears in his eyes?
pennlady
I grew up in a "Catholic country," the province of Quebec. From that I was able to pick up the traces of the Church as it was in the '30s. There was a sizable wing of it that went straight out for fascism of the Italian variety. The parish priests were very often very vociferous supporters of Mussolini. The pope himself, in 1939, sent a telegram to Franco congratulating him for his "great Christian victory." The agenda was putting women firmly in the kitchen, and relying on birthrate to "build the nation." Now, who wrote the treaty that acknowledged the political independence of the Vatican? Mussolini.
In Quebec, the Church throughout the '30s urged large families, living the rural life, and, in Quebec's case, eventually outnumbering les anglais and gaining "la revanche" (revenge) for the English conquest. It's easy to see why this eventually led to collaboration with the fascisti in Italy and the Nazis in Germany.
This church didn't die out until the '60s, and the old hyper-conservative church is rebuilding with Benedict.
nice one, C&L. now you have to go back to 1936, when everybody and their uncle was either antisemitic or racist, to find somebody who said something similar and associate it with your favorite "worst person in the world".
btw, mr. dennis kucinich agrees with father coughlin on this issue. is he anti-semitic, too? or is beck now a socialist because he agrees with kucinich? I'm confused.
either that, or your guilt by association is BS.
"nice one, C&L. now you have to go back to 1936, when everybody and their uncle was either antisemitic or racist.."
You mean like the GOP's fake outrage over Harry Reid ?
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
your point being what?
what harry reid said was pretty stupid to say for a politician, but it wasn't racist.
it was even true. noone with a "negro dialect" (or a mexican dialect, or someone who talks like harry reid) would have won the election.
That conservatives wait to seize upon something like Harry's politically incorrect observation to summon up the ghosts of the Democratic Party's past so as to conflate the two in an orgy of "I know you are,but what am I" accusations.Or something.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
one political party waiting for an opportunity to attack the another political party.
now that's something new.
indulging in false equivalencies however,is sadly,not.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
so we will win that argument.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
you do seem a little confused
willing to parade around their embarrassing fan boy crush on Glenn Beck must,by definition,be confused.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
beck is an actor. he's no better than rush limbaugh, ed schulz or keith olberman.
at the moment, he acts like a libertarian from time to time. which is better than the neocon actors that usually run fox news, but I'm far from trusting him.
...and Malloy and Hartmann and other liberal/progressive truth-seekers ARE better than Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and others of their lying, cheating, hypocritical ilk.
It's because our side is reality-based. Facts, truly, do have a liberal bias.
BID
I hate it when people try to compare Olbermann/Moore/Maddow, etc. to Beck, Hannity & O'Reilly.
ah come on. watch ed schulz and rush limbaugh and try to find the differences.
is a liar. Ed Schultz isn't. There's the difference.
Enough already with the false equivalencies, "relative."
BID
they are both liars, and when you watch either of them long enough you are convinced he's telling the truth and the other one lies.
happened to myself with keith olberman once.
his show is still a gross misrepresentation of reality.
this is true.
people who believe in nonsense like the gold standard or the evils of central banks. Kucinich,at least, has some redeeming qualities. Beck not so much.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
opposing the Central Bank? I also oppose the World Trade Organization, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. These istitutions are corporate tools. It's unfortunate that right wingers marry Central Bank opposition to anti-semitism and other kooky ideas, but that's how they roll -- mixing a little truth in with the lies.
who has mixed central bank opposition with anti-semitism?
except for a guy from 1936, but by that standard anti-semitism was mixed with just about everything.
agree with you on WTO, IMF and world bank.
if you dig a little beneath the surface of the tea party rhetoric, you will find the same tired old Jewish bankers stuff that has been part of the right wing propaganda for decades. They just do a better job of concealing it now.
there are issues with the Central bank. It's just that I have never seen a single alternative proposal for regulating the money supply that wasn't daylight madness.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
It's much easier to come to the conclusion that something is messed up than it is to figure out how to fix it. And most people -- myself included -- know very little about monetary policy.
you've just watched the biggest economic collapse since the last economic collapse shortly after the US central bank was introduced, and you still think the current system is the only viable one?
("never seen an alternative proposal").
the alternative proposal that is most easily found is the one that existed prior to 1913.
Basing the values of currency on an easily manipulated commodity was ever so successful wasn't it? There weren't any economic collapses back then were there?. Oh wait there were. More of them in fact.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
1. right, there were. for example the depression of 1920/1921. never heard of it? go figure.
2. typical reaction.
you claimed there are not viable alternatives. how is claiming that the alternative (that is most easily found) is as bad as the status quo an answer to that?
now that you realize that there are alternatives you can go look if there are more, or try to understand this one better.
most definitely, you can stop claiming you've never heard of alternative proposals.
Before the US went off the gold standard, the people could go to the bank and exchange their dollars for real gold.
You are saying that system is inferior to what exists today?
I disagree.
What existed then might not have been perfect but it at least ensured that there wasn't too much paper printed (accountability against inflation).
Everyplace that you see failure today I guarantee you will find a lack of accountability... whether it is abusive corporations or incompetent/corrupt governments.
If you want to live with sane and responsible people/governments/corporations then you must hold them accountable for their actions. If the systems that exist do not allow for accountability then the systems must be changed.
But when so many of those dollars are owned by foreign governments so that if they cashed them in for gold all at once could blast away the shorings of our economy, and scattered the gold that it is based on to the far corners of the world.
The guarantee was more for foreign banks than for Joe American.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The fact that people fear backing their currency with something real makes it pretty clear (as if it wasn't already) that the shorings of the economy are already blasted.
Maybe at this point backing the Dollar with a commodity won't work... certainly not unless it is accompanied with a change to sensible spending habits and some banking related changes.
... everything good in these United States came about because of liberal, enlightened, progressive legislation, you blubbering moron.
Hey, rumor has it you raped and/or killed someone. What sayeth thou?
BID
..who's trying to push their agenda?
The Religious-Conservatives..especially the Christians.
Vote For The Person Not The Party.
That's why I have voted for Communists (Hall/Davis '80,'84), Independents (Perot'92), Libertarians (Browne '96,'00) and various Greens, Constitutionals & Socialist Workers over the years.
Granted these parties and people don't gain office so many may say these are wasted votes but, damn I feel clean and better about myself for not selling out to the Donkey-Trunks.
Frank Zappa - Make A Jazz Noise Here
The Republican has evolved over those years. The Republican is now a balls out fascist.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
"Granted these parties and people don't gain office so many may say these are wasted votes.."
Well not necessarily.If just enough folks vote for say,the Democratic Socialists of America to catch the interest of the larger parties,said parties might consider adopting a more Leftist stance to attract socialist votes.Even if it only amounts to pandering,those Leftist ideas are at the very least given an airing and some thought,at which point the proverbial "ball is in play".
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
It's the Beck producers that need to be admonished. Beck has a chemical imbalance in his brain. It is Beck's producers and POX Theatre executives that are acting irresponsibly here...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
There is no amount of video clips I can watch to convince me more. It has been years now that this MORON Glen Beck has proven himself to be someone you would want to keep your kids away from. Alas, only in a free nation such as ours can a total VIRUS like Glen Beck be allowed and HANDED a national forum to spew his psychotic rants.
They look alike, they sound alike.... but it's remotely possible Fr. Coughlin believed his vitriol was truth. Beck claims he'll say anything to "be entertaining" (i.E., to get ratings.
that the US is a de facto one party state, please raise you hand. The only question is whether or not that party will enforce a fascist dictatorship or a socialist democracy. Beck's a fascist, but he gets the idea. In fact, all the PR seems to be pushing fascism. There is nothing out there selling socialism. Yet, those are the choices. If indeed socialism is a choice and the transition to fascism hasn't already been affected.
Muppets look more realistic.
http://blog.earnmydegree.com/wp-content/uploa...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
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