DeVore, Fiorina fight it out for the Populist Prize by joining Beck in blaming everything on progressives
By David Neiwert Tuesday Feb 09, 2010 6:30pm
Glenn Beck yesterday had on both of the Republican candidates in the California Senate primary, the winner of which race will be facing Barbara Boxer. And both Chuck DeVore and Carly Fiorina worked hard to curry Beck's favor, though it isn't hard to figure out which one won, judging by Beck's headline: "Is Chuck DeVore the next Scott Brown?"
Both interviews were essentially explorations by the candidates of Glenn Beck's favorite theme, to wit, progressives are the root of all evil in American life. This was especially the case in the interview with DeVore, who actively stoked Beck's fetish about Woodrow Wilson:
DEVORE: Well, Woodrow Wilson and people like Frank Goodnow, about 130 years ago, saw the Constitution as a roadblock to their plans for perfecting government and for basically ushering in a paradise on earth. And instead of what was set up by Madison to be a separation of powers, with the legislative, the executive and the judicial, because the Founders understood that people like power. And that you'll end up with tyranny in your country if you can't separate the powers.
...
BECK: I think the system is full of — it's riddled with a disease called progressive. If you've got cancer, no doctor says, yes start using filter tips cigarettes. They say no more cigarettes.
DEVORE: Right.
BECK: Progressives and the progressive idea are the cigarettes. So you tell me how to fix it.
Ah, nothing like a little eliminationism in the afternoon, is there?
Predictably, DeVore also revealed himself as one of those Patriot "tenthers" frequently promoted by Beck -- right-wing extremists who believe the Tenth Amendment gives states the ability to nullify federal law:
DEVORE: Well, first of all, we have to follow the Constitution. That's the very first thing that any lawmaker does when they get sworn in.
(CROSSTALK)
BECK: This audience won't, but most people say well, where aren't we following the Constitution?
DEVORE: Well, where do we start?
I think a good obvious place is Tenth Amendment. As a state lawmaker, I find my powers as a state lawmaker being short-circuited at the federal level.
As we've explained, these theories originated in the 1990s with the militia/Patriot movement.
Fiorina, in contrast, was perfectly corporate even as she tried to assure Beck that she really was a populist:
Mostly she did this by joining Beck in the progressive-bashing:
BECK: Yes, I understand that. But here's the — here's the problem.
We have — go back and read — I read it last night, Calvin Coolidge and his — first, his inaugural speech. OK?
He knew what the problem was. The problem was the progressives. The problem in Washington are the progressives. The problem in California, the progressives. And the progressives in the Democrat and the Republican Party.
FIORINA: Yes. And so —
BECK: Until you — until somebody stands up and says, "You know what, John McCain and Barack Obama had many of the same traits."
Beck clearly suspects that Fiorina may have such "traits" as well. Which is why the teabaggers are all lining up behind DeVore.
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I must have missed the part where progressives were given any say whatsoever in the running of the US. All there seems to be is a bunch of right-wing conservative old fucks who screw everything up then blame it on progressives.
Dreams of CarlyFornication
These things are just chock full of nuts.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness!
It should have been the narrative started about Fox and propaganda. Now they've taken the opportunity first. Too bad.
i cant believe LDS-Beck is getting involved in the politics of my beloved state.
to the lefties in Socal.... Grey Davis got steamrolled by right wing extremism.
It will happen again if we don't start balling up our proverbial fists.
or was...for years....in sacto
and ya...davis got steamrolled
and the state is much worse since he was forced out of office...amazingly because he wanted to up the car registration and not increase other taxes
he got blamed for the energy crisis that never was (notice how since the death of enron there hasnt been one rolling brown or blackout?)
so they put in arnie...who played wingnut for a bit, overstepped his reach and now is trying to out left the leftiest kooks in the statehouse
what a frackin mess
we can fix this state rather easily....fix prop 13
lets just repeal prop 13. so all we have to do here in cali
is raise taxes? it's so effin simple why didn't I think of that.
do you own a home or business/commercial property in california?
would it ever cross your mind to cut spending? the problem here
isn't lack of money it's profligate spending.
there is no reason that commercial property is covered under prop 13
had the voters known that at the time...they wouldnt have passed it
there are multimillionaires in this state who pay less property tax than do families
we do have to change the way they do biz in sacto, but not seeing that prop 13 is a total mess is insanity
and self-employed cabinetmaker. and why because someone holds
onto their property they should be taxed at an exorbitant rate? do you know how many mom and pop business's are out there who own commercial property? if I had to guess you're
young man who doesn't have a lot of life experience or.....
and the vast majority of commercial property is not owned by mom and pop biz....enough of that myth
btw....what would you like to cut?
education? cuz no doubt we need more ignorant fucks in this state
California was ranked 49th in education last year. I doubt anyone would notice if it got cut more and the ranking dropped further.
And you have Prop 13 to thank for the tumble from the top of the education heap afew decades ago to the bottom where it sits today, prop 13 supporters.
californians got railroaded into that prop...by way of fear
its sad
there were many ways to fix the property tax situation so that elderly people didnt lose their homes....prop 13 wasnt one of them
especially since it is corporations who were the ones who figured out how to skirt around the selling of their properties...so that the new owners would still be paying the same low tax rate
I was looking at the obvious product of the recent CA education system, to whom you were replying...I replied to you, because you suggested the edumacation cut, and it seemed liked an obvious jumping in point
;)
btw, i was 16 when prop 13 passed
i know for a fact that it was sold to protect individual home owners
no one....i repeat....no one wouldve voted for it had they been made aware that it would cover large businesses
its the same for the 3 strikes law...it wouldnt have passed had people been made aware that non violent offenders could be sent to prison for life
we still need a revamp of the proposition system too
why won't you answer one of my ?'s
why should anyone/business be taxed for holding onto
a property?
do you own property/house?
just answer one, so we can have an intelligent discourse
its family owned
and i said to fix prop 13...not totally repeal it
and why dont you read the link that was provided you that shows how big biz skirts the law after resale
and the fact remains...biz like disney, which makes billions and doesnt pay their fair share to the state that provides them with the resources to make those billions, should not be taxed at a lower rate than a single homeowner
so now you tell me....what would you cut?
prison guards pay. we pay double the national average to house a prisoner. how about cutting
pensions to state employee's. you know the one's who get 3& per year with the last year of service
being the basis point. work 30yrs get 90% of your
last/highest salary plus health benefits, plus
COLA's of 3% a yr after 3yrs of retirement.
you want some more?
how about opening up cali gov bid process
I got more
i would love to cut the guards pay....but we pay double the national avg to house prisoners cuz idiots like you keep voting to incarcerate more and more people
and i said i would like to cut pensions...but there has to be a trade off
so you need to support single payer
you wont...so this discussion is now closed
Yeah what a waste of money wanting to lock people that would rob or kill someone. State Pensions seems like a reasonable choice Gonz. After all as long as we all have to sacrifice then that should mean government workers too. I'm sure there is plenty of waste there to trim.
... are in prison for violent crimes.
Without Prop 13 people would have lost their homes because they wouldn't have been able to afford the taxes. Nowadays just about the only thing people have left is the equity in their homes. Repeal Prop 13 and you will have a major depression. People who have slaved all these years to buy their homes will see their life's work destroyed. Those who are not homeowners will probably vote to repeal it, but what they don't realize is that they will be cutting their own throats since they will never be able to afford and keep a home in the future.
The only state that has a pos law like this on the books is CA. People do lose their homes, but they're more likely to have a home if they can get a decent education.
There are all sorts of ways to help individuals who may lose homes due to skyrocketing taxes. But how smart is it to give a gazillionaire property speculator the same break you give old widow granny on a tiny crap pension who's lived in her home for 30-50 years? Well if you've been going to school in California within the last 30 years, you're probably just smart enough to say 'yes'
raise taxes.
or do you enjoy driving down the pot holed freeway that is the 10?
i know... a compromise. cut some jobs, and raise some taxes.
thinking that cutting spending alone iss going to solve our problems is hopelessly naive.
we tax you first! why don't you edgamakate yourself and look at how cali spending has far outstripped both inflation and population growth. duuuuuhh
and why is cali gov the only entity in state still hiring?
cuz i would love a guvment job
great benefits
my case
you do.
i also pay a fair share myself. still not complaining.
I love when guys like you act like you're the only person with a small business and a mortgage.
no one plays the victim like a WASP small business owner.
whaaa.
move to colorado if you cant hack it.
i'm definitely not a victim, KOOK. but go ahead
hurl some racist slant at me. the fact is the gov
is IN the business of victimhood.
and you have yet to state what you would cut
i know what i would cut....the high pensions that state workers earn along with the medical benefits
cuz i support medicare for all
and right there, ive saved the state billions
oh...and you still havent told me what division is hiring
be the WASP comment
and I see we may have some common ground
go figure
The high pensions along with the medical.......
Screw you!
I haven't had a raise in fifteen years, just so we could keep our health insurance. We were always told, even in the booming 90's when the state had billions in escrow "you have health insurance, you don't need a raise!"
So, even though I could have made $$$$$ much more in the private sector, I decided that health insurance and my salary would be fine, because I like my job. And unlike you, I feel I am contributing a lot to society, and our country needs people like me to serve our communities.
But now that the repukes have destroyed the economy, they complain about our health insurance, as though any of this bullshit was our fault!
So we have to listen to corporate fascist tools like you - who can do nothing but attack other middle class people because you are small, petty, jealous and stupid, act like we are criminal for wanting what was commonplace 30 years ago when workers actually had some value in this country.
You moron, can go f**k yourself!
All these government workers need to take a pay cut and do away with non essential positions. That is how business works in lean time so should government.
your pals running the show are still taking major bonuses and fighting tax increases for the wealthy tooth and nail, while ending, not creating new jobs. That's their whole rationale for the lower taxes for the insanely rich, isn't it?
My pals work and bleed. Go home tired and earn every dime. It seems kind of pompous to tell Me who My pals are but then pomposity is such a progressive characteristic.
if it crapped in your lap. Look at Boner, Shelby and the rest of your Thug pals, Drugbo, Beck, All pompous, much like you.
BTW, if you really do have pals who 'work and bleed', then you'll know it's the work force that cuts back in the lean times, not management. Arguing against your own best interests is such a creepy little sheepy Thug teabagger characteristic.
Yeah sure if I speak up for business no matter how small or more to the point against government pay or entitlements, I'm a corporate shill. If I speak out against poor policy i'm a obstructionist. If you can't figure out what I stand for I must be a racist. Wrong again, my pals do work and bleed and they need jobs and discouraging business or adding a shitload more government positions are not going to put them to work.
all have to do with the housing bubble which was a major part of the states economy. So I would not do anything that would be irreversible and/or permanent such as breaking promises and contracts to employees.
Ive been told that basic functions of the government have been at a standstill thanks to what has happened there... you don't want that to be a typical problem or even more people will flee your state.
Firing police, putting off trials, and etc isn't the way to handle what is going on right now. You need them more than ever.
They (government workers) have all already taken a massive pay-cut, have received their payments MUCH LATER than they should have.. et al. It is amazing that there are any people left who are willing to work for California, and after this they will probably leave
Cutting state workers' pensions and medical benefits should be illegal. State workers have earned their pensions and medical benefits by having a portion of their wages set aside with each paycheck. They have paid for these benefits for years and now you want to take away what they bargained for in good faith? State workers did not work for years and years at particularly high salaries. They had some of their pay and medical benefits deferred for when they retired. You want to change the rules on them now and take away from them and their families. I'm sure that if you had paid into your retirement and then some one said that your weren't going to get it after all that you'd be angry at the unfairness of it. You may say that you support medicare for all and --presto-- all is great so why not take away state workers' benefits. Are you so simplistic (or is the proper grammar simpleton(?) to think that your genius idea would take care of this state's problems? Slogans like yours may sound good, but they are nothing but empty and ineffective rhetoric.
lol that's what the GM bond holders said.
A median California home is taxed at about $2.06/sq. ft.
Disneyland? About a nickel.
dont use common sense
I confused "mom and pop" with "Micky and Minnie."
How goofy of me.
so how many entry level jobs should the magic kingdom layoff (you know young kids getting started) when they
get there new kingsized property tax bill?
cuz here is the answer...not fucking one
the disney corp is a multibillion dollar biz
they are not gonna cut min wage job earners
that is the same myth that you fucks try to spread every time the min wage goes up
funny how despite their low overhead...they keep raising the entrance fee into that park
and that is all they will do
dumbass
"so how many entry level jobs should the magic kingdom layoff (you know young kids getting started) when they
get there new kingsized property tax bill?"
None. The only reason they hired those people is because they need them there, not to just give them a paycheck... haha are you serious? Disney has a huge bankroll, and profits more and more every year.
I'm a Democrat but unfortunately Gray Davis needed to go. Fortunately, the Republican gets elected and now the deficit has hit critical proportions. Unfortunately, it will be blamed on the Democrats. That's the problem with requiring a 2/3 majority vote to raise taxes to pay for the programs that the people vote for in the Initiatives. The programs are approved, but without money to finance them, we go deep into debt. Also, lots of money goes to education, however, the waste is enormous and the kids and teachers are cheated because of fraud in building schools etc. My wife was a librarian at LAUSD. Her library was remodeled and what was budgeted and should have cost $75,000 ended up costing $250,000. It also took much longer to do AND the work was shoddy at best. Then librarians and other staffers are let go because of budgetary shortfalls, (but not the grafters and corrupt politicians who keep getting their salaries and even raises). Teabaggers are right to be angry. I'm just disappointed and angry that the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans. We need an HONEST progressive party.
devore is one of the reasons our state legislature is broken
wingnut idealogue, whose only idea is to cut taxes on the richest
and carly...why wont you be honest with beck as to why hp couldnt get started today in cali....CUZ YOU HELPED TO OUTSOURCE ALL THE JOBS....YOU BITCH...AND THEN YOU RAN THE COMPANY INTO THE GROUND
SO PLEASE...TELL US HOW YOU ARE GOING TO BRING BACK JOBS TO OUR STATE
hp couldn't get started in cali now because of onerous local,state and federal regs. and the obvious way to bring jobs back to cali would a reduction in ALL THE BULLSHIT REGS ANY EFFIN BUSINESS HAS TO PUT UP WITH IN THE GOLDEN STATE.
i have plenty of friends and biz associates who own and operate small biz
all were doing fine till the crash
and that is with your supposed onerous regs
now i also know of cases of people who lost their biz thanks to some retarded regs
but it doesnt mean you cant start a biz
and the reason hp couldnt get started now....IS CUZ CARLY AND HER FUCK BUDDIES HELPED TO OUTSOURCE ALL OF OUR TECH INDUSTRY TO INDIA
coolidge policies led to the death of the family farmer....so much for populism
sure, he was prez during the roaring 20s...but his abhorrence to oversight and regulation led to the crash and the great depression
beck is a tool
and why didnt he have campbell on?
campbell might be the only repuke i could vote for
are collectively stupid enough to elect either one of these bozos, especially after the dbacle of Ahhnolt, they will deserve what's coming to them.
Yep!
The Massachussetts asshole voted against Obama's NLRB guy today. Guess they should have appointed somebody like the mine owner who killed all his employees and got away with it under Bush.
Methinks this Brown asshole will be lucky to get 30% of the vote in a couple of years.
Wingnuts; always overplaying their hand, never changing their stripes. If they do make a small comeback this year, they will lead us right into a great depression, and will be liquidated in 2012. It just sucks that we didn't fix things this time around thanks to Harry Reid, and Obama's team of DLC losers led by Rahm.
Like commies, pinkos, hippies, whatever. If any of them actually defined what a progressive is in realistic terms then people would wonder what the hell they were on about.
"People who believe in ... PAH! ... EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL!"
He explained to me that if you believe that everyone is equal, then everyone's life is of equal value, then everyone's life is worthless. I was also advised to go back and re-read my history, and not "this revisionist stuff". The stupid hurt so bad. I just sat there, agape, hardly believing there were living people who could follow that twisted logic yet not see how batshit crazy it was. It's like arguing with your dog, except suddenly your dog can recite "Jabberwocky" from memory!
I challenge Devore and any Tea Partiers evoking the Constitution.....
Show me in the Constitution where the Founding Fathers intended a super-majority vote requirement to be used for everyday legislation.
They won't be able to. Therefore, any US Senator who willingly participates in filibustering routine legislaton is violating his/her oath to uphold the Constitution.
Its the only way they can continue to screw us, and still use the MSM they own to brainwash the idiot tea baggers, and Fox news losers into believing it is the fault of liberals.
I think much of the MSM is about to get rejected outright by the populace [the smarter, more mature median]. the MSM is just way too Republican still. There are islands of hope in the cable news for news and perspective, but just little islands. The rest are either full frontal fascist like POX or they're bending in the wind like they have no responsibility to bear while giving the ludicrous Fascists a daily platform. Wolf Blitzer presents the political situation in America as a series of talking points and rhetoric between a few close friends.
btw - not that there's anything wrong with that Wolf, but inadvertently the populace is getting screwed.
Do you think the MSM just deosn't realize how bent they are? Or do they know it but are just in it for the money, not the nation?
Thomas Jefferson said “A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” That sounds like the kind of conditions you are talking about and would need a filibuster to prevent.
At least down here it is code for not just nullification of laws but also a desire for secession. FYI
the POX Terror show is getting old man...
"Progressives and the progressive idea are the cigarettes. So you tell me how to fix it."
Golly Glenn I wonder where this silly analogy puts Republicans,you know,the guys who have gladly accepted a mountain of cold fishy cash from Big Tobacco over the years.You witless clot.
Yep, just ask old man Baener at the 18th hole tommorow.
Failing ever upward.
Let me start with:
Logically this is backwards. The Republican right wing "let the market take care of everything" conservative ideas are the cigarettes. They are the ones who got us into this mess. Bush and his Republican friends in the Senate and the House were in power and did everything to put us where we are today. Am I wrong here??? They started a war that was not paid for. They gave tax breaks to the richest 1% that were not paid for. They did the prescription drug bill that was not paid for and cost a trillion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$s. They were the ones who let the banks gamble and go bankrupt because they lent money to people who no way in the world could ever hope to pay it back (when you loan somebody $400,000 and that person earns $30,000 a year you know that person will not be able to pay it back. They just can't!). And Glen Beck tries to call progressives the cigarette? And now Sara Palin thinks it is a good idea to let the market decide how much you and I can afford to pay for insurance?
Ok so Palin and Beck say that they want the market to take care of the health care problem. This is insane because the market will try to squeeze as much money as it can from everybody. In other words the insurance companies will keep raising rates until people cannot pay any more. That is what "The Market" does. That is the definition of the market based economy. Is this what we want? Well we got it. People cannot afford health insurance any more. Employers cannot afford to pay insurance for their employees. This is coming home to roost here in California. Anthem has raised their rates up to 39% this week for people who pay their own insurance. Anthem says it is because people who are healthy are dropping their insurance (That is because these people feel that it is not worth $500 a month for insurance that they don't use. I just got a 26% rate increase. I am going to drop my insurance. For what they want from me and my wife we will bank the payments and see if it will cover our health care. As it is now we have $3500 deductible... each. And then we still pay a portion of something until something else happens but the insurance does not cover this and that and the other thing so we will save that money and if we have to we will go to another country to get health care. Maybe we are stupid but we cannot afford the insurance any more and it does not make sense to pay all this money every year and still have to pay the deductible that we never reach the max of. ) Anthem says they have to raise their rates because there are now more unhealthy people that they cover because of this. So now there are going to be a boatload more people who are going to drop their insurance. The shit may have finally hit the fan. The straw may have broken the camel's back.
they were increasing rates because the cost of health care has exploded
guess that lie wasnt good enough
i used to carry anthem...worst fucking insurance in the world
Well they can say that because the cost has exploded (for them) because the ratio of healthy people compared to sick people has changed because healthy people are dropping their insurance.
Also Anthem reported record profits last quarter (according to Kathleen Sebelius)> Over $2,000,000,000>
And then you have the right wing tea baggers and Republicans obstructionists who say their solution is to let insurance companies sell their insurance across state lines. Tell me, doesn't this fly in the face of the tenth amendment argument?? Isn't this contradictory to what they say about state's rights? These people are one contradiction after another after hypocrisy. It is just insane. But the Tea Baggers are too stupid to think about his.
Just think how marvelous life would be, if they could hook tea bagger stupidity up to generators and provide electricity?
Cold fusion would have nothing on our mentally challenged countrymen.
Just think, people like Beck, Palin and Rush could supply the needs of metropolitan areas all by themselves!
They put out enough energy alright. Stupidity tends to do that.
Just imagine if they tried doing something constructive.
industry will be attrition? They're killing themselves? You can't make this stuff up.
I'm not making it up. And the way they are going to kill themselves is that the government will have to do the single payer deal because it is the cheapest way. We do not want the market to decide how much we can afford. Which means how much any given person or family can afford to put into the pockets of the CEOs and vice presidents and the insurance company hierarchy. These people make 10s of millions of $$$ a year. No, $100s of millions and it is because they squeeze as much money out of every single person they insure as they think they can squeeze. They do not care about what is fair. They do not care about what it does to the economy. Can you imagine how much better the economy would be if people had $500 more a month to spend. Remember a couple years ago when they gave everybody $500 to go spend and they thought that that would stimulate the economy. About two years ago. Imagine how much the economy would be stimulated if every family had $500 A MONTH more to spend. And that is why single payer will save trillions of $$$$. It is very complicated but it is not THAT complicated if you think about it.
If the insurance people never make another penny after today, they have been more then well paid for the robbery they performed. Put them out of business they are not needed for operating health care or most anything else as far as I can see. get rid of them the sooner the better.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness!
they can all find jobs in the government run offices.
single payer since day one. If anyone sent me an e-mail or even mentioned anything other than single payer in their quest for funds, I withdrew from their organization after telling them why I was doing it. I think it is ironic that the government is probably going to pay for the majority of people who cannot afford health care through insurance. The ER's better start hiring. How is this country screwed up? Let me count the ways: Very few jobs, no affordable health care, no mortgages, not much help available from bankruptcy courts, no affordable credit cards. Welfare for all!! That's the answer. Oh, yeah. If one doesn't work, one cannot buy things and one does not owe any income tax. The future looks interesting, in that Irish curse way.
Yes you are wrong. This mess as you refer to it was put into motion long before either Bush.You can thank the community reinvestment act for forcing banks to lend to unworthy applicants and that started with community organizing in Chicago. Just like ....
The problem with you and your ilk, just like the example above about Prop 13, is that it is all or nothing. The community reinvestment act was nothing like what they were doing in 2005, 2006, 2007. Lending $400,000 to people who were making $30,000 who were told to write down they were making $100,000 by the loan brokers. Nobody would legislate that a bank had to loan $400,000 to somebody making $30,000. Your point is disingenuous at best. Just like your Prop 13 point was disingenuous. All or nothing is not the option that people here would demand. Fairness is all we want. A corporation like Disney not paying their fair share of property taxes is different than Disney paying a certain property tax on highly inflated property values. The bottom line is that your argument are disingenuous. Typical.
. . . I knew him in college. He was whacked then and remains so today.
The democrats are going to have to pass Health care, because it's just the first task at hand and the Republican is just using this issue as an excuse to stall. They will do the exactly same thing with the next bill regardless of the bill being proposed. The health Care bill is going to be one of the easy ones...
Yeah, next up will be the jobs bill. Republicans hate jobs. Just look at how many Bush and his cronies lost for all of us little people.
Remember the Bush asshole - along with closet case Drier, who smugly stated that outsourcing was good for america?
Who votes for these people?
Was there ever enough jobs created to equal the new people entering the work force. But never one word about it in the msm. Everything republican is a lie!
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness!
gold set the standards? Works this way, too: Those that own the media define the "truth."
I think Fiorina's trying to go populist, but the imagery in her ad is pretty bad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRY7wBuCcBY
Really, it's as if she's running HP again - incoherent, insulting, and just plain stupid. I think her ad tries to channel Glenn Beck, with the West Coast flavor.
A stubborn republican minority fucking it up for everyone.
"Glenn Beck yesterday had on both of the Republican candidates in the California Senate primary, the winner of which race will be facing Barbara Boxer. "
David, Former Congressman Tom Campbell (Palo Alto) is also running. He switched from the Governor's race to the Senate race back in December and he is currently leading in the polls.
If you remember (and can one really ever forget) the Demon Sheep ad by Fiorina targeted Campbell as FCINO.
DeVore is trailing badly with only 8% of the vote. And Fiorina is self-destructing. Campbell is at least an adult.
Campbell should win the primary. Too early to tell impact on Boxer but I suspect that Boxer will comfortably win re-election.
that these two would go on Beck's show completely disqualifies them from ever being taken seriously
I have bookmarked this page for future reference. It should be Boxer's ONLY campaign message - "My opponent deemed it important to get Glenn Beck's endorsement." Enuf said.
So now it is a right of passage to go on The Silver Gopher's show? Shit. People in California should know that neither Carly Fiorina or Meg Whitman ever bother to vote until recently. And now these two fools want to be taken seriously? Bullshit. They are just on a power trip. Fuck them and the rich assholes they front for.
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