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You knew Jonah Goldberg had to be somewhere on the set the other day when Glenn Beck opened his Fox program with this:

If you believe this country is great, but progressive fascists are trying to destroy it, this is your wake-up call!

Before explaining exactly what this means, he offers a bit of emotional instability he'd indulged earlier that day: "This morning I kind of lost my mind on Fox and Friends." And he runs the clip, a shoutfest with Steve Doocy:

Doocy: But Glenn, the foundation of our country is our financial services industry. If that goes kaput, we are all screwed.

Beck: No, no. The backbone of our country is not our financial institutions.

Doocy: Yes it is!

Beck: It is not! It is the American people! I do not believe in the government, I do not believe in the banks! I believe in the people! Let the people fix the problem!

Dang, Beck did a nice Huey Long imitation there, minus the twang. He's already made clear that he's a right-wing populist, and now he's indulging it at will. (For what it's worth, the ascendance of the financial-services sector in the American economy, largely at the expense of the manufacturing sector, is in fact one of the problems Obama needs to fix. But I don't think that's what Beck is on about here; he's just posturing.)

But all this was just an intro to Beck's paranoia about the potential nationalizing of some of the nation's largest banks -- because it all means socialism. Which, evidently, means liberal fascism. Or something.

In any event, putting a patina on this kind of incoherence is what Jonah Goldberg is always handy for. Sure enough.

Beck: When I said, I opened up the show, and I know people were like, 'Oh my gosh, progressive fascism, liberal fascism, what are you talking about?' Blah blah blah blah blah ... It is really what George Carlin was talking about -- that fascism will come to America with a happy face. Is there any way that this ends well in nationalization?

Goldberg: Well, the good news is is that the market selloff yesterday, which was a direct referendum on what was coming out of Washington, scared the bejeezus out of most of Washington today, and you're now seeing the congressional Democrats, Steny Hoyer, people from the White House, Ben Bernanke today saying, 'Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. Who said anything about nationalization?' Well, they did.

Beck is a fan of Liberal Fascism. I am not. Indeed, whenever I watch right-wing populists like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin operate, I'm reminded that nearly every far-right organization in America is right-wing populist.

As I wrote last year:

[F]or a guy who insists irregularly that we not confuse European liberalism with its American version, Goldberg certainly has little compunction about conflating European fascism with its American variant. In fact, American fascists are fairly variegated in their worldviews and resulting strategies: some, like the Posse [Comitatus] and the Freemen, are indeed hyper-local, though their version of local government is a white male supremacist ideation in which minorities have no rights and homosexuals and abortion providers are put to death. Others see themselves as largely regional organizations (particularly the Northwest's "white homeland" advocates) with a national reach, while still others -- the Klan, the Aryan Nations, the National Socialist Movement, Hammerskin Nation -- see themselves as national organizations whose ideas for a right-wing authoritarian state do indeed more closely resemble the European model.

The same is true for figures like David Duke, who sees himself as an international role model for neo-Nazism. In recent years, he's been traveling to places like Russia and the Arab world, spreading his vicious anti-Semitic propaganda. And in both places, it's clear he's been gaining audiences and having an impact on the ground. So much for these fascists' insignificance.

But then, it's essential for Jonah's already-shaky thesis that he minimize, downplay, whitewash, and otherwise utterly trivialize these groups, their presence and their activities, because their very existence not only undermines, it completely demolishes his central claim that "fascism, properly understood, is not a phenomenon of the right at all" but that "it is, and always has been, a phenomenon of the left." Because clearly, American fascists are now, and always have been, a phenomenon of the right, quite unmistakably so.

It's all about trivializing the monstrous, all to serve his increasingly dubious claim that conservatives are in no way at all even remotely fascist. Indeed, it's more than evident that the wish to rebut that "smear" is what has animated this entire enterprise (Goldberg has made this clear in numerous interviews, as well as the book itself).

The problem is that it's much easier to demonstrate the opposite is true.

Moreover, Goldberg has been getting away with pretending that populism is a purely a left-wing phenomenon. I wrote about this as well:

To characterize this shift as "populist" simply flies in the face of historical fact. And yet Goldberg insists on this, largely by making a nakedly false assertion about the nature of populism itself:

An unwieldy phenomenon, populism had never been known as a conservative or right-wing orientation before, and it is only because so many were determined to label fascism right-wing that populism under Mussolini was redefined as such.

Well, as I explained in the [TAP] review, populism in fact is a historically complex and broad phenomenon that has encompassed both right- and left-wing political spheres, and every point in between. Some of the previously observed right-wing expressions of populism in America included Bacon's Rebellion, the Know-Nothing nativists, and the Ku Klux Klan.

Indeed, as we have already discussed here in some detail, Goldberg is quick to dismiss the Klan as a clownish "creepy fan subculture" and dismisses the notion that they were fascist in an offhand manner -- relying, once again, on an anecdotal factoid as his "proof."

It's clear throughout the book that Goldberg believes liberals identify groups like the Klan as fascist simply because they are racist. Perhaps that's true for some liberals, but it's certainly not true in my case, nor for those historians who have affirmed that they were indeed not just genuine fascists, but perhaps the first real immanation of fascism. As I've explained, the Klan is definably fascist because it wholly fits the definition of fascism, of which its racism is only one expression. Indeed, its racism is really only a symptom of the deeper impulses to which it appeals.

So I have a little challenge for Glenn Beck. First, he's being awfully vague about just who these "progressive fascists" might be. Who is he talking about, exactly? It's hard not to conclude from the bulk of his rants to date that he considers President Obama to be a "progressive fascist." Will someone ask him? Can we name names, or do we just have some ephemeral enemy out there we can't exactly identify?

So first, I'd like to challenge Beck to name names. Who are these evil progressive fascists, anyway?

Second, having done that, I'd like to ask Beck to use his memory cells a little. He often talks about how he grew up here in the Seattle area. By my reckoning, he'd be of the right age to have been around when Robbie Mathews had his big fatal flameout up on Whidbey Island, when he was incinerated at the end of an armed standoff with the FBI.

Mathews was the mastermind of the neo-Nazi gang The Order, the group that assassinated Alan Berg and robbed a bunch of banks in the Northwest back in 1984. I used to get letters to the editor from Robert Mathews.

These guys were real Nazis. True fascists in every sense of the word, and proud of it. They ardently worshiped Hitler, intended to start a "race war," and killed and robbed to carry out their plan.

Is Glenn Beck telling us that whoever these "progressive fascists" are -- be it Obama or maybe just those blogging critics he seems a little ... sensitive ... about -- that they're just the left-wing counterparts of Robbie Mathews?

Because when clowns like he and Jonah Goldberg start flinging that term around like so much flotsam and Newspeak, that's what they wind up saying. When they need to be taking a good hard look in their right-wing populist mirror instead.

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ysbaddaden's picture
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They're trying to usurpe the f-word because we were begining to use it regarding booshco.

Usurpe pancakes too.


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ysbaddaden's picture
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Utilizing Argumentum ad Populare and ad Baculum is part and parcel of fascists movements.


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midnight7734's picture

Why do you keep highlighting one of the lowest IQ's in the country? Beck is an idiot and anyone that listens to him for anything but laughs is a bigger idiot.

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You're not a captain are you?


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ricky's picture

“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

Phoenix Justice's picture

The reason that Crooks & Liars "highlights" an idiot like Glenn Beck on a continuing basis is to remind us how the enemy thinks and what evil looks like. If we aren't reminded, then we tend to forget and allow the enemy to quietly take over.


Election 2012: Be Educated! Be Active! Vote!

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ron's picture

Obama's trying to take it back.

liberalNmoderation's picture

WE are trying!
Obama can't do it alone, and he needs OUR help!

I stand corrected.

Thank you!

liberalNmoderation's picture

I feel like Americans...well most Americans are wanting this country to live up to it's potential.
And I personally feel that Obama is going to be leading the charge.
And that puts a smile on my ugly mug every time I think about it.

"I believe in the people" is code for "I believe in the plutocratic oligarchs that pay my salary and I am here to push their agenda which means you must hate progressives, blacks, Hispanics, atheists and women to
be a real American".

As for living up to it's potential...ain't gonna happen
until more people are hungry and cold than not.

ron's picture

Because Leadership you are not.

ok ron..let me explain it to you.

We are too comfortable. Too many TVs and cellphones and shopping malls.

We are in denial. It won't really affect us.

Until more Americans are cold, hungry and unemployed than not, we will continue this unsustainable consumer driven culture which is eating the planet and our future.

ron's picture

you need a new decoder ring.

Leadership's picture

ron,
In 2 post with a total of 10 words you have said nothing. Now try to respond with a point of some value.

ysbaddaden's picture
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Antidisestablishmenterialism...


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Yeeeeeehaaaaaaaa!!!!

ron's picture

you should, if quoting Beck, indicate that in your original comment.

Leadership's picture

your getting better!!!

I thought the "quotes" were enough.

But I will take your advice.

LeftandLeft's picture

Persuasion is certainly not amongst your "leadership" qualities.

liberalNmoderation's picture

we're all on the same side here.
No reason for any of us to get in a huff over a simple misunderstanding.

ysbaddaden's picture
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I like to play with myself.


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liberalNmoderation's picture
HA!

Well...that's nice YSB...so glad you shared, lol!

Leadership's picture

Leftandleft is on my ignore list because we have been feuding for some time. If you don't agree with him your a Republican. He regularly lies and twists what people say.

LeftandLeft's picture

Simply put, you dish out criticisms indiscriminately and yet become defensive(just like Coulter) crying like a fourth grader when you're called out.

And you're right...I do feel that you act like a typical fake superior Conservative...your bullshit moniker says it all.

liberalNmoderation's picture

If that's what it means for you, then I feel sorry for you.

"I believe in the people" was a direct quote from Beck and Goldberg's rant.

You know me I am all about progressive populism, but apparently you and ron think that blind hopefulness will win out over the centuries old grip the overclass has on working people.

It's like talking to third graders.

liberalNmoderation's picture

And yes...just today, all you would be wise-asses, lol!

No I don't think that, and my hope is anything but blind.

Third graders? really? damn...

Leadership's picture

I'm sorry, so very sorry, I tried to edit it after I wrote it but it timed out.

liberalNmoderation's picture

been called worse...like..2nd grader, lol!

liberalNmoderation's picture

of your post Leadership...

Apologies...

But your second line, You may well be right unfortunately...
I remain cautiously optimistic that it won't need to go that far before WE THE PEOPLE wake up and take our country back.

I agree I agree I agree!!!

I want people to wake up, but the soporific of consumerism will be hard to counteract!!!

liberalNmoderation's picture

to keep this country from becoming an Idiocracy...

The real question is: What kind of planet are we on when an idiot like Beck is given a national platform on a daily basis?

liberalNmoderation's picture

Is a bass-ackwards planet.

upchuck's picture

It is the kind of planet where corporations have replaced governments as the true seat of power.

The only thing left to do is change the name from Earth to Ferenginar.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ferenginar

liberalNmoderation's picture

One difference though...Ferengis have some redeeming qualities.

KWillow's picture

The GOP/Right cannot find sane or intelligent people to speak for them. Only Morons (or "cretinous pre-sentients" as Doug Adams put it) such as Goldberg, and foaming-at-the-mouth Crazies like Beck, Orelly, Limpbag and Bobby Jindal.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Right wing populist.

Like the Brown Shirts perhaps.

Kudos to David Neiwert and his essay Jonah Goldberg's Bizarro History.

Dispatch the fools with an intellect they will not encounter looking at themselves in any mirror.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

ysbaddaden's picture
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The really odd thing is doughy pantload claims to be Jewish, although I don't know if he ever officially converted, and yet with his liberal fascist nonsense, he's weakening the horror of what the true German fascists did.

But then he claims evil "liberals" don't recognize his Jewishness, but actually it's Jewish custom. If you're the off-spring of a Jewish/Gentile marriage, you're only born Jewish if your mother is, and lucianne goldberg definitely isn't.


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I just figured out why fox got Beck. He's so fu*king crazy that he makes the rest of the people at fox look somewhat rational. He plays the part of the total lunatic and the others can argue with him in an attempt to make themselves seem intelligent.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

ricky's picture

as are those who compare Bobby Jindal to Kenneth the Page. But up until yesterday I had no idea who Kenneth the Page was, and today I am adding Hammerskin nation to my mental mix. I don't know whether to plant populists or smoke them.


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

these guys are seriously insane, how can you get anything done at all if all you do is shout and act on your emotions....this glen beck clown tops them all, hes got this "my wife left me for my brother" look in his face and instead of trying to figure out why his wife really left him, he spends all his time and energy rationalize the world around his lonely viewpoint. take this guys tv camera away from him now.......free plane tickets for him and hannity and o'riley and limbaugh right over the bermuda triangle...my treat!

or from his brother showing him his mother?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d92f_DaEqAE


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

The worst part comes in the next few days, when the conservatives in our lives, the nimrods who watch Fox every day, start peppering conversations with "liberal fascists," as though this were an original thought, as though it made sense.

Cramthra's picture
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It is original thought, just like bumps on a condom are original thoughts.

ysbaddaden's picture
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For her pleasure too

(Feeling like she's doin' the nasty with speed bumps.)


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burnt's picture

the "people" own the government, and - often times - work for the government. even those who don't, they're still directly responsible for electing the government officials and leaders who will appoint government employees.

so if the government steps up and takes over things like:
- healthcare
- finance
- oversight
- infrastructure
- alternative energy

doesn't that basically mean that "the people" own it?

"rawr blargh, socialism is bad, let the people fix it instead!"
lol - something tells me he doesn't really understand socialism..

not that I'm advocating socialism - and not that this caveat means I denounce socialism either - just saying - Beck obviously doesn't understand socialism..

ysbaddaden's picture
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Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIoN7pYKl1c

(For sadistic audiences only.)


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Tax the Rich's picture

Goldberg doesn't know the definition of fascism either. Bush and the republicans are textbook fascist. Letting corporations run the government and usurp the power from the people - definition of fascist. Now who does that sound like?

Man are these asshats stupid. Socialists cannot be fascist by definition. It's like calling a guy a lesbian.


If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.

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And they never mention prescott boosh aided and abetted Hitler, and even had a bank taken away from his directorship (1942?), for dealing with the enemy. He was also involved in a Wall Street move to overthrow FDR and replace him with a fascistic government.


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Thu, 02/26/2009 - 07:50 — NoGWBpolicyleft...

Socialists cannot be fascist by definition. It's like calling a guy a lesbian.
_______________________________________________________

Or like calling a virgin pregnant...

Oh...wait...that's how religions get started.


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Tyler Durden's picture

Most guys are lesbians trapped inside a man's body.

Mitch61's picture

with a former board member of a German nationalist party.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0...

I now have a mental picture of Douchey, Dreck and whatever the bimbo's name is crawling around on all fours, lifting up set pieces, trying to find it.

Thanks.


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

Tyler Durden's picture

I have read in a while.

You got some talent... chapeau!

Have you ever spent any time and listened to these turds (Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, Gibson)? It is absolutely weird. These people are out of their god damn minds. They really make an argument that sometimes you just have to put people away in a chamber because they are not good for society. These four are not good for society. There are a couple others as well but these assholes should be put in a box.*

*Of course I don't believe they should be put in a box just for talking but they sure make a good argument for it.

liberalNmoderation's picture

are committing treason every day, and they should be prosecuted and punished accordingly.
These traitors are anti-American propagandists.

real_earl's picture

all things Murdoch.
He's the ultimate traitor.


I'm Boycotting NewsCorp! Heres what not to buy: http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=news...

Its always a good idea to see what the enemy is up to. Even though 5 minutes is overload when listening/watching these turds float to the surface.

liberalNmoderation's picture

But they are becoming too damaging to our country.
And action needs to be taken.

liberalNmoderation's picture

I hope (for starters) that NAACP sues the shit out of News Corp.
And that people are outside all his companies protesting daily.
Make it unprofitable for him to business in this country.
Then maybe he'll leave.

liberalNmoderation's picture

But seems to me, that liberal, and fascism are mutually exclusive terms.

oh yeah...beck is an asshole.

LazyCosmos's picture

the right see themselves as the closest thing to "no government" and therefore, all other forms are all lumped together at the other end...the left side.

liberalNmoderation's picture

that's about the long and short of it...
if it doesn't fit into their narrow little world, it's "leftist" lol!
Idiots.

whooka101's picture

Aren't people paying attention? I can't understand why these idiots keep implying the government is trying to nationalize banks when, at least in the case of Citibank, the bank is asking for nationalization.

Just more laughable comedy from Murdochs house of braindead morons.

ysbaddaden's picture
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Typical of the FAUX audience:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP6nYs9Il7c


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MarkusR's picture

He'd come to the show and slap Glenn Beck with a huge trout.

ysbaddaden's picture
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Diabolus est Deus Inversus

when nearly everything that came out of Bush's mouth was the opposite of what America as a whole needed (excepting oil), there was a steady slide to Darth Cheney's style of oil based industriofascism, spiced with torture, rendition, invasion and occupation, internal spying, and intimidation. To hear a "populist" Beck talking about the opposition as being fascist, is just a continuation of the past Bush rhetoric. It will take a lot of repetition of this "fascist" label to make a socialist/survivalist mode (Obama and the Congress) look fascist. America is now valiantly struggling to survive and hearing Beck yelling FASCISTS! as he is running away from having his ass kicked is just what he deserves.

"Beck: It is not! It is the American people! I do not believe in the government, I do not believe in the banks! I believe in the people! Let the people fix the problem! "

The problem with his statement is that we have a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Crybabies...


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bogglesthemind's picture

Nothing, nothing, on this planet is of less importance than Glen Beck. Yet, here he is, just about every day being validated by this site. Weird...

OK, Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Hannity... they are just as insignificant.

dennis's picture

Just give us your money for now, Jonah and Glenn.

But don't even begin to think your money gives you the right to an opinion unless we say so.

A rational opinion would be nice once in a while.

Tax the Rich's picture

Read 1984, and comprehend it. If you can?


If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.

liberalNmoderation's picture

under the bush misadministration?
Dissenters were called traitors, when in fact, they were/are patriots.
I call people like beck and goldberg traitors because they are willfully participating in a campaign of disinformation. That's NOT opinion.
That's FACT...something the right knows little or NOTHING about.

Bob Roberts's picture

Everyone does.

They do not have a fundamental right to obtain a public forum from which to repeat their opinions. Being a talking head on Fox (or any other network) is a contractual right, not a fundamental one. In other words, it's a "right" only so long as others agree.

extremism and all its forms will always be around but what makes it much bigger than it naturally would be is the coordinated uncontested repetition progressives allow the right to get away on their talk radio monopoly- an illegal use of public airwaves for one party propaganda with paid and sometimes orchestrated callers.

fox TV serves merely to spread visual whipped cream on the lie turd pies talk radio serves up every day

ysbaddaden's picture
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There's a Constitutional right to misinform?

I'm sorry, msinform.


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calgarylady's picture

I have a constitutional right to Maidenform.

ysbaddaden's picture
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ricky's picture

did they hire to do the voice over? Trick-o-lastic, baby.


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

ysbaddaden's picture
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Pete Best.


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calgarylady's picture

you 'pete' me to it!

ysbaddaden's picture
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Well I really wanted to say Andy White or Jimmy Nichol.


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ysbaddaden's picture
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What glands and doughy pantloads want is for their true fascistic corporate masters to get the peon's money with no government strings attached for accountability, because that's fascism to them.

Their complaints seem to come from this school:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs


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The Silent Majority's picture

I don't know by what name you prefer to call the decline of our country so I will leave titles to you. The principles on which this country were founded are being trampled by our leaders democrat and repulibcan alike. I respect Beck because he trys to put the information out there and let individuals decide on their own. I am not a blind advocate of everything Beck or anyone else says. At least I can say this about him; He exhibits a genuine concern about this country's well being. I should hope at least in that we could find common ground. It is always easy to bash those who try while you quietly sit around and do nothing. I should think that the ratings that Fox News has for shows like Beck, Orielly and Hannity should be sufficient proof that their opinions are no that of the minority in this country.
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ysbaddaden's picture
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I call it boosh over-expenditure.


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Tax the Rich's picture

1.5 million clueless viewing wackjobs out of 320,000,000 people is not a majority - silent or otherwise. Thanks for reminding us of the low wattage that Beck and his defenders possess.


If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.

are more of the same; a BushCo/CheneyCo style fascist minority. Without Olbermann's and Russert's superior reporting we would have been far worse off. The general decline of America is more complex and I concede that there is great wisdom in conservatism, but the crisis brought on by the last 8 years is probably the worst in American history. Faux's ratings are ok (poor second place) only because of MSNBC's dominance in accuracy and minimal propaganda. Where Beck cares (and manipulates), Olbermann believes!

Tyler Durden's picture

as much as I enjoy Olbermann, he is a commentator, not a reporter. I never held Russert in any stem, he was also a commentator.

What I am tired of is all that comment and editorial pieces being passed as news.

We need actual, unbiased new sources. I don't care about the opinion of some asshole (conservative or liberal) about a given matter. I just want to read/listen/view the news about the matter, and make my own damn mind.

An informed citizenry is fundamental for a working democracy. Until we achieve that, we will be in a world of hurt. Therefore the continuous decline of the American republic during the past few decades is no coincidence.

liberalNmoderation's picture

I'm not so sure that KO is merely a commentator...
Think about it...he was a sports news guys for years, and my understanding is that those sports guys do their own research...and I think KO has a big enough ego that he still feels he has to do his own research...I mean, I know he has people that help him with stuff...but he's remarkably well informed, and that, IMHO, shows that he is doing the research, not merely reading a teleprompter...
Of course..I could be absolutely mistaken, as I know squat about how a newsroom really works.

Other than that, I'm in agreement with your post.

Tyler Durden's picture

if you have a guest to "discuss" whatever piece of news, you are not a news program.

KO, regardless of the research involved, has a very specific bias and agenda.

Whether or not I agree with his bias and agenda does not matter, KO program is an editorial piece.

Nothing wrong with that per se. Other than it is not news.

I believe part of the problem is that a lot of people do not discern the difference between news and editorial pieces.

CartoonCoyote's picture
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I believe part of the problem is that a lot of people do not discern the difference between news and editorial pieces.

Spot fookin' on, my good man!

liberalNmoderation's picture

Sounds like that BS came straight off the Murdoch desk...What a steaming pile of BS you just posted.

Evet's picture

Unless you've run out of things to do on earth I can't imagine why anyone would bother to watch this stuff.

aquatarkus's picture

The Stupid Minority is Screaming again!
This is how they try to prove there point, by
substituting Volume for Substance.
Beck the Clueless HACK.

fastfeat's picture

Dead on.


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

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Thu, 02/26/2009 - 08:03 — aquatarkus

Beck the Clueless HACK.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsPEiRyKgjQ


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Why does he not trust their judgement? I thought Obama won the presiodency and dems got majority in both houses?

Blue Lensman's picture

His people - the less than 25% that don't think Obama's going in the right direction.

Tyler Durden's picture

Beck knows his core audience are not that many.

After all, there will not be that many space saucers for the Mormon rapture. The spaceships, that will take the chosen Mormons to their respective planets, have limited space.

Beck needs the rest of the conservative moron crowd to slow down all those infidels, who will sure try to fight the chosen ones for spaces in the flying saucers...

In other words, people should learn to ignore anything some idiot who believes in magic underpants has to say...

ysbaddaden's picture
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Your thinking Heaven's Gate, a lousy western and a weirder religion.

Although you're right that in Mormon doctrine men can become Gods, and God was once a man on the planet Kolob.

As for the magic underwear, that's only if you're married in the Temple and they have stringent requirements.


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Tyler Durden's picture

I need to spike your coffee. You are in a better mood later in the day :-)

sunnysongbird's picture

The kids here in Mormonville get their undies after their second baptism.

Donaldd's picture

They could have built Hybrid Trucks 10 years ago; People would have bought them. People in California Leased and loved them; the Manufacturers Crushed and recycled them.
I need a Truck to haul things I can't in a car and don't want to pay out the nose to have delivered. I don't like the fuel mileage on the thing but what choice do I have?

Freight Trains are Hybrid; there is no question about how much power and speed they deliver. Trucks could do as well.


Donaldd

liberalNmoderation's picture

I'd LOVE to have diesel electric hybrid truck!

reluctant leader's picture

And they talk themselves into believing each is a genius.

Beck is spouting the same nonsense Jindal did the other night. As if "believing in the people" is supposed to take the place of government regulation, or preventing plutocrats from gang-raping the economy.

He is also wrong for arguing with Doocy. Banks are indeed the backbone of our economy. Without a healthy commercial credit system, "We The People" would soon be "We the Unemployed and Homeless". Deep down I think they know this, but I doubt they will ever be intellectually honest enough to admit it.

liberalNmoderation's picture

the blind leading the stupid?

ronnie dobbs's picture

wtf does that even mean?

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Liberal fascism means that the GOP blood drinking fuckers aren't in control anymore.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Someone should forward him a dictionary.

But I wonder if he even knows how to read...

fastfeat's picture

Oxymoron, not so much.


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

Teddy Phufner's picture

Beck: Whoever I want to call a fascist, is a fascist? Liberals are fascists.
Goldberg: Yes, but only liberals are fascists?
Beck: Agreed, but I'm a populist and I have a show on Fox so obviously I'm only going to call liberals fascists.
Goldberg: That's right, liberals are fascists
Beck: Jonah I know, but what is your premise? That since I'm a crazy wingnut who asks people to stare into my eyes to understand the total and absolute truth of the universe I must be right when I say liberals are fascists....
Goldberg: Yes, liberals are fascists.
Beck: Hold on big fella, or are you saying simply, all liberals are fascists?
Goldberg: You said it, liberals are fascists.
Beck: Look, I love you buddy, I'm hear to peddle your book anytime you want since you smoke from the same pipe of propaganda-populism I smoke from, but let me hear yah right, why am I right when I say that liberals are fascists and the US is becoming more liberal, hence more fascist?
Goldberg: Yup, liberals are fascists.
Beck: So I'm not wrong to say that the only way you fight fascism is to do the following-- cut taxes for rich people, de-regulate Wall Street and every other business, denounce free healthcare for poor kids, and get rid of the government?
Goldberg: Well, liberals are fascists.
Beck: So it's safe to say that liberals, who don't like these ideas hate freedom and truth, hence they hate my eyes, which as we all know refract beacons of absolute truth beams which highlight what is right and wrong in the world, and so liberals hate America and love fascism.
Goldberg: Yeah, liberals are fascists.
Beck: Brilliant everyone, you gotta read this guys book! Not just cause I get kickbacks but because if you think I'm bat-shit crazy, you won't believe even my eyes when you read how far you can pervert extreme right-wing ideology.

thepugilist's picture

post Dave. I think that if more people in this country took the time to educate themselves a little they would realize that what we've been living under for the last 8 years is a lot closer to Fascism then the examples that Beck brings up on a daily basis.

kasinca's picture

Beavis and Butthead, one is a drunken dope addict and the other is just a wet pant load not worthy of giving any attention.

scytherius's picture

That there isn't a Right Winger alive that knows what a fascist is.

ron's picture

They just don't want us to know what it is.

I think the issue is the infinite capacity for projection by the right wingers.

The rules of thumb I have observed are the following:

1. Conservatives and projection go hand in hand: Whatever a conservative accuses liberals of being, they are. Case in point; liberal fascism.

2. Whatever a conservative claims to be, they are the opposite: For example compassionate conservatism. There was nothing compassionate about the 8 years of terror perpetrated by Bush.

Follow these simple rules, and you can fully decode conservative-speak fairly easily.

Furthermore, as I posted last night. If you want to understand conservative behavior. For any given situation, simply map the problem into a game theory statement. And you will see how you can literally predict what the conservative course of action is going to be for that given issue.

The example I gave was with conservative's support or lack thereof for Obama's policies.

Given the 4 possibilities:

1) Support Obama and Obama succeeds. 2) Oppose Obama, and Obama succeeds. 3) Support Obama and Obama fails. 4) Support Obama and Obama fails.

Under a conservative perspective, the only one in which the GOP could "win" electorally is 4). Even if that implies doom for our country. Thus, voila... what is all you are seeing the GOP doing for the past couple of months: Virulently opposing Obama, and sabotaging every initiative in order to make sure he fails.

Conservatives are barely above amoebas in their thought complexity. It is a testament to the sheer incompetence of the Dems that they can't figure out how to dominate such mental midgets.

liberalNmoderation's picture

the 4 possibilities you mentioned...
3 and 4 are the same...
Kinda confusing, but other than that, yeah...your post is pretty much brilliant.

Tyler Durden's picture

For some GOPers I know, supporting Obama amounts to electoral failure. Since they won't be able to put the blame squarely on Obama if he misses the mark with the recovery stimulus.

If normal people were involved in composing the previous truth table, yeah 3) and 4) would be equivalent somehow. But remember, we are dealing with GOPers here...

thedeadparrott's picture

Beck and Hessian Goldboy don't reflect any kind of populism nor do they play anyone but wingnut jerk-hoffs.

They are just telling tales that get listened to by the the right end of the pile.

To me someone like Beck needs a modicum of truthfor a tale to be told to hold any kind of populist feeling, in this day and age.

Perhaps that's one of the reasons why libererals populist or not, don't listen to anything on FAUXNEWS because they know tall tales from the real news.

MountainMan23's picture

.. makes as much sense as "compassionate conservatives" or "married bachelors" .. or .. or .. "patriotic Republicans" ..


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

liberalNmoderation's picture
HA!

Good one MountainMan!

ChipH's picture

Is it just me, or are these FoxFascists and BeckBolshevists starting to look like Pod People? I mean, have you seen O'Reilly lately? He looks like his forehead is about to split open and release an alien fly-head. Help me! Help me! They all look like maggots with eyebrows.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

starring the Fux crew and other Rethug punditry.


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

surfjac's picture

Beck: "It is not! It is the American people! I do not believe in the government, I do not believe in the banks! I believe in the people! Let the people fix the problem!"
..make Beck an Anarchist?
Mostly I think he's a dope but doesn't that comment smack of anarchy?


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

liberalNmoderation's picture

Anarchy would be only a slightly better alternative.

Tyler Durden's picture

Although I am willing to bet my left nut that Beck was going for the "libertarian" angle of things though...

Now, someone should sit down with Beck and explain to him (and god bless their heart if that someone actually exists, as I wouldn't be able to suppress the urge to punch Beck's mug) that in order to fix issues like our current crisis, the scope and magnitude is such that we "the people" need to organize in order to tackle the complexity and size of the solutions required. And basically, that is what a democratic government is: an organization of the people, by the people, to address, solve, and further our social problems, issues and causes.

Then watch his pea-sized brain explode.

You can't be "for the people" and "against the government of the people by the people for the people." Then again, this jackass purposely has no issue with such contradictory terms such as "liberal fascism."

Bonkers's picture

....really is just begging for a poke in th' snoot, innit?

Gah. That's just reason #5,432 why I try to stay away from FoxNoise. I don't extra need the negativity.


I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.

BigIslandDave's picture

It's contradiction in terms, an oxymoron, two completely incompatible and antithetical concepts.

The Raving Buzzcut doesn't understand anything he's saying.

What a joke. What an embarrassment.

...or implies. It's a "police state", you total goof ball!! It's like what it was becoming, or has become, as a result of "the dictator" we just kicked out of the White House.

What an elementary whore. glenn has the corner on "stupid". I'm just really disappointed, even with the propaganda network, that they would let this lunatic rant on night after night without bringing out the hook. Seriously.....disappointed even with that sewage bucket network.

This is one phobic, crazy loon. It says a lot for that whole network of jerk offs.

Kreskin's picture

Ah yes , Glenn Beck , a real man's man , a tutu and panties kinda guy . Hard to imagine this clown having an audience but then it was hard to imagine that there would be so many idiots voting Bush for second go around . And Beck thinks he is representative of the average American ! That's pretty funny . Wow .


Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .

BigIslandDave's picture

... what the Raving Buzzcut and the Doughy Pantload have to say?

But you're right: They ARE the enemy, as crazy as they are.

Old Billy's picture

Does even Beck know what he's saying?

These idiots elevate cognitive dissonance to an art form.

liberalNmoderation's picture

Don't forget projection!

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Glenn Beck has no particular expertise in anything, except self-promotion. I do not know why anyone listens to this guy. The guy was a morning drive and TOP 40 DJ. The guy only has a high school education. No making fun of his experience or education, but the guy seems hardly qualified to talk about the big complicated topics he poorly attempts to tackle.

CartoonCoyote's picture
...

Everything you just said about Beck applies in spades to Lush Rimjob. That two of the very biggest right-wing heroes are so unequipped yet so worshiped is a puzzle I've been unable to solve for years now.

jpopphan's picture

Who else but the dense Jonah Goldberg and the denser Glenn Beck would utter a phrase like "progressive fascists" without batting an eye at the oxymoronic wording?

One cannot be "liberal" or "progressive" yet at the same time be "fascist". It is simply not possible.

From Wikipedia (because truth has a liberal bias, hee hee):


Fascism is a radical authoritarian nationalist ideology focused on solving economic, political, and social problems that its supporters see as causing national decline or decadence. Fascists aim to create a single-party state in which the government is led by a dictator who seeks unity by requiring individuals to subordinate self-interest to the collective interest of the nation or a race. Fascist movements promote violence between nations, political factions, and races as part of social Darwinist and militarist views that violence between these groups is natural and a part of evolution and a perpetual conflict. In the view that violence is a natural part of survival, fascists believe only the strong can and should survive by being healthy, vital, and aggressive through conquering and eliminating the weak and the degenerate.

Fascist governments permanently forbid and suppress all criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement. Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that gives direct political power to people as individuals rather than as a collective nation or race (democracy, individualism, liberalism); that is deemed detrimental to national identity and unity (internationalism, communism, class conflict, laissez-faire capitalism); that protects and enhances the power of the "weak" and the degenerate rather than promoting the power of the "strong" (egalitarianism); that may oppose major changes to institutions and cultural values that it proposes (conservatism) and that undermine the military strength and military ambitions of the nation (pacifism).

(Emphasis is mine. Bold-face sections call out examples of why liberalism/progressivism is in direct opposition to fascism, while conservatism is a stepping stone towards building a fascist state.)

Remember that group of Tom Delays that promoted a "permanent Republican majority" in Congress?

Remember how loudly Republicans howl whenever any social program or welfare of any sort is proposed for the poor? They even fought the SCHIP program - and Bush used one of his rare vetoes to thwart it.

Remember how hard the Republicans fought to stop the vote counting in Florida in 2000? What about what's happening right now in Minnesota with the still-unsettled Senate seat?

Remember how hard the GOP worked to kick Democratic voters off the rolls and prevent as many Democrats as possible from voting? All that talk of "fraud" by ACORN?

So... I would ask you, fair reader, which party subscribes more closely to fascism? Based on the evidence, who poses a greater threat to the future of this nation? Which party should be trusted with out future?

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