'Live Free Or Die': Beck brings Goldberg on to promote his 'Liberal Fascism'-based 'documentary'
Glenn Beck has a special "documentary" he's going to show his audience today on Fox News titled "Live Free Or Die," and what's evident is that the entire show is going to be predicated on expanding on Jonah Goldberg's fraudulent thesis in his bestselling book, Liberal Fascism, namely, that fascism is "properly understood" as "a phenomenon of the left."
What's apparent is that Beck intends to leap from this fraudulent beginning to the bizarre conclusion that the progressive movement has always produced genocide -- mostly by equating fascists with communists with progressives, which is part of the underlying illogic of Goldberg's thesis. It seems he will be promoting the conclusion that President Obama is leading America on a path to genocide as well.
Indeed, anyone who's been watching Beck's show the past year is aware that his continually building thesis about Obama -- that he is secretly a black radical Marxist/fascist/socialist/whateverist intent on creating a totalitarian regime in America -- is largely built on Liberal Fascism and its thesis. Beck has
had Goldberg on numerous times to promote the fraud. And his long-running attacks on the progressive movement as the "cancer" destroying the country -- which has been the entire point of Beck's show this week, including the conclusion that progressives may try to assassinate Obama if he moves to the center -- have been nakedly drawn straight from Goldberg's Planet Bizarro version of history. (The giveaway has been Beck's running insistence that Woodrow Wilson is at the root of this evil.)
Towards the end of yesterday's segment, Beck fretted that "the academic wing" of the progressive movement was going to attack him viciously for his "documentary." Goldberg notes that he's faced the same for his book -- though in reality, academics have been largely silent on the subject of Liberal Fascism.
That, however, is about to end.
I've already explained in some depth exactly why Goldberg's thesis is so profoundly dishonest, especially when it comes to the mountain of historical facts that contradict his claims, which he simply elides. But I'm not an academic -- just a journalist who has real-life experience writing about real American fascists.
Academic historians, in fact, have tended to shy away from tackling Goldberg's book, precisely because it is such an obvious work of propagandistic polemics, and his methodology so shabby, that they haven't considered the work (such as it is) contained therein to be worthy of academic consideration.
But because Goldberg's fraudulent thesis has now become conventional wisdom on the American Right -- and particularly among the Tea Party set, where signs equating liberals to fascists and Obama to Hitler have become commonplace -- many historians, especially those who have specialized in the serious study of fascism, have come to the realization that calling out Goldberg for his fraud is long overdue.
To that end, I began organizing last fall a series of essays from academic historians and political scientists critiquing Liberal Fascism. The essays are now ready, and this Monday, Jan. 25, they will be presented at History News Network.
In addition to my introductory essay, there will be essays by four widely acknowledged experts on fascism:
-- Robert O. Paxton, professor emeritus at Columbia University and the author of The Anatomy of Fascism.
-- Roger Griffin, professor of political science at Oxford Brookes and the author of The Nature of Fascism.
-- Matthew Feldman, professor of history at University of Northampton, and a co-editor of several academic texts on fascism.
-- Chip Berlet, senior researcher at Political Research Associates and the co-author (with Matthew Lyons) of Right-Wing Populism in America: Too Close for Comfort.
Beck will probably believe this response from academics is inspired by his show today, but only in a purely accidental sense: It's been in the works for some months now, and was more inspired by the broad absorption of Goldberg's thesis as conventional wisdom -- of which Beck's constant promotion of it is a not-insignificant part. Let's just say the timing will indeed be serendipitous.
Incidentally, Beck gave us a little preview of the "documentary" on his Tuesday show:
This is going to be such a vicious and historically skewed misrepresentation of "the progressive movement" that it looks like it will go down in the annals of fraudulent history.
I especially got quite a chuckle out of the chryons Beck's show displayed during yesterday's promotion, such as this one:
Talk about projection.
I've previously discussed what Beck leaves out when it comes to the history of the progressive movement and its real historical impact:
The United States has always been an essentially capitalist economic system. However, we have experienced periods in our history where this system has seriously malfunctioned, and we've made adjustments accordingly that have largely worked well making things better.
One of those dysfunctional periods came at about the turn of the last century, when McKinley was president, corrupt robber barons ran Congress, and the latter-day version of "strict constructionists" ruled the courts. "Laissez faire" capitalism ruled, and America was functionally an oligarchy.
Squeezed out were the working people: the average workweek was 80 hours, there were no weekends, no vacation, only a few holidays, and the barest minimum of pay. Benefits and health care were unheard of. Child labor was the rule.
What happened between then and now? "Progressives" began agitating for better working conditions, and began organizing as labor unions. After a long period of violent repression, these reforms gradually became government policy -- especially in the 1930s under FDR. Americans began getting 40-hour work weeks with weekends off, paid vacations and benefits.
Probably the most significant and lasting legacy of this period of "progressive" innovation was the progressive tax code. It has been a feature of the income tax since its institution in 1913. Who was one of its original champions? Theodore Roosevelt.
The fact is that the United States -- like nearly every single Western capitalist democracy -- is a variable blend of socialism and capitalism, free-enterprise economies with regulatory restraints and modest income redistribution. The result of those "progressive" reforms from 1900-1940 was the birth of the great American middle class and the quality of life we have enjoyed so long we've forgotten what it was like not to have it. People like Glenn Beck seem never even to have learned.
Indeed, when right-wingers like Beck and Goldberg attack "evil progressivism," it sounds a lot like they want us to return to the bad old days under McKinley, when American workers were indentured servants to the wealthy.
Of course, maybe now that they're both wealthy men, there's a simple explanation for that.
I think I can pretty much guarantee that Beck's "documentary" shows none of this history.
Yeah Glen...that's how we all feel when you start to speak.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Oh and freedom also since bush 43 killed those with his USA Patriot act, his so-called freedom of speech zones, torture of innocent prisoners and his warrantless wiretapping.
Bringing in Goldberg and dropping Scheer was a good reason to drop the L.A. Times. Nothing he says has a single ounce of credibility.
... is how shoddy research and paranoid ramblings nonetheless circulate and become accepted thought amongst a segment of the population.
Sure, they're dumber-than-stumps teabaggers. But is it really just a lack of education, a failure of critical thinking?
If it isn't - if it's a tangible and spreading result of mass-media programming and the bizarre cult-mentality of evangelical/conservative crossbreeding ...
... boy, are we in for some really sickening times. We've already sunk to repeating our mistakes with indefinite detention at Gitmo. We have politicians and religious figures endorsing/recommending torture.
It's not just America or democracy that's screwed. These really are the end times. But instead of some magical bus coming to whisk the faithful off to heaven, we're all going to burn, and we're all going to wail and gnash our teeth in the darkness.
Isn't that what we said about the Moral majority? we laughed when the GOP rolled them out as part of their "base" but that got Reagan, GHWB abd GWB elected. And Rove was behind that move. Where's he now? Oh yeah AT FOX!
The mass-media promote Beck, Goldberg, et al. because they bring ratings. It is an economic decision, has nothing to do with research or history.
Some very rich and powerful people and businesses are paying Beck & Goldberg and all the other pundits to promote the filthy lie "Liberals are Fascists"
They've numbed us with consumerism and pop culture. Now they pump our heads full of half truths which most will simply accept as the truth without question or verification.
My son comes home from high school frustrated with the ignorance of his classmates who spew right wing half truths and also out and out ignorance. For example, these morons think we fought the Russians in WWII, have no idea how laws are actually created, what the different branches of government are responsible for, etc etc. SCAREY.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Speaking of which:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Hv0tsvpyU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6inwzOooXRU
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Agreed and what is humorous, in a sad way, is that what Beck et al are doing is the very same thing Goebbels did. If they keep sounding out their lies loud and long enough, the masses will believe it.
The Ad and the Ego here
Madison Avenue is our Department of Education.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJKt-DhII_4
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credibility and acceptability- until the left starts picketing those radio stations and complaining to the local sponsors of the hate racism and lies it will continue.
... to catch a glimpse of Sarah Palin.
Totalitarianism, Authoritarianism, Monarchism, Communism, Fascism, Oligarchism
They are not synonymous.
Least of all because you said so
Russia was once called the USSR, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and China, the People's Republic of China, but did that make them republicans?
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I love to bring that up whenever right-wingers say "this is a Republic, not a Democracy."
Answer: A Republic, really? Like Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? Or the People's Republic of China?
During all that Liberty Fries and Liberty Sex nonsense I would ask them if they meant like the French Republic?
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in a debate contest somewhere but I think the PRC / USSR thingy would be classified as an overstretched analogy like Alice X and Karen were discussing in recent thread.
One day some smaht guy will point at you David, as reply yeah, and I don't want the Democratic Republic of Germany either !
It's no hyperextension, it's merely pointing out with the implied meaning that just bandying words about mean nothing unless they're at least somewhat compatible.
And although it's admittingly a Reductio ad Absurdum, it's in obvious mimicry of their argument with their undue emphasis on one section of the name Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
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The two are not opposing philosophies/methodologies.
Also: I like to ask the person who makes that comment: Define "Republic" and define "Democracy", and explain how they don't mesh. Usually the person has no idea of what "Republic" means, let alone Democracy or Fascism or Communism or Socialism, or Capitalism for that matter.
I suggest using the "Hot chocolate sauce and vanilla ice cream can NEVER go together" argument. After all, Chocolate is dark and somewhat bitter. Vanilla ice cream is light colored and very sweet. Hot chocolate sauce is HOT: It can not POSSIBLY be combined with Frozen (cold) Ice Cream.
THIS PROVES LIBERALS ARE FASCISTS!
Case Closed!
Historical movements like Fascism, Nazism, and Communism don't necessarily mesh.
Democracies and Republics are different in that Republics aren't necessarily Democratic, look at the Republic of Rome.
But that doesn't say it can not mesh, you just don't call it vanilla ice cream or hot chocolate sauce, you call it a sundae
Preferably with plenty of nuts and whipped cream
Which come to think of it, it's how I like my sex.
Would you confuse ice cream with sex?
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and if so, can i take you to baskin-robbins sometime?
Do they have a red-light over their porch?
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The discussion between Karen and I that Big John refers to started here.
To clarify ysbaddaden's statement, the Russian Empire after 1917 became the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, although a civil war was fought to reclaim some of them, Russia was the dominant one and was know as the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic.
A good read to understand the misnomer of socialism in the Soviet context is provided by Chomsky here, from a comment in the same thread on Marx, Keynes, Hayek, Friedman et al, here.
I have one quibble in this phrase:
My personal view is the working class advanced in their material well being, but that doesn't make them middle class.
Nor should they want the status when they don't have it, more shortly.
The working class, no matter how well they are paid, has no authority over the nature of its work, except through collective bargaining, unless one has an unusually socially conscious employer. Other than that it means in other words union membership. This became the law with the Wagner Act of 1935.
The middle class, Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, middle managers et al, have control over the nature of their work individually. They do not have unions, generally.
The upper class are the capitalists. The 1%, 3 million people, the poorest of whom has on the order of ten million dollars in personal wealth. Forbes 400 starts over one billion.
I don't use income as a measure because it can vary a great deal. Especially for the wealthy who have many means of apparently reducing their income through the tax loopholes that the congress writes specifically on their behalf. Thereby greatly increasing their wealth.
By calling everyone middle class who is not obviously spectacularly rich or woefully poor, who may well be working 2 or 3 jobs trying to make it, we are being intentionally deprived of our understanding of class structure itself.
This is the intention of the powerful.
Beck and Goldberg are on a mission to confuse the language and turn meaning on its head.
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My understanding is Marx would place the managers into the proletariat class, because that is the class they manage. On old South Plantations, they'd be considered "peckerwoods," not much above the slaves as far as the plantation owners were concerned. But because it gave the illusion of some upward mobility, and some increased comfort, their status made them develop a sense of false consciousness, identifying themselves erroneously with the interests of the bourgeoisie, even though they themselves owned nothing of the means of production, and were totally reliant on the ownership class for continued subsistence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXHUHGGCWTI&fe...
Adil: How can you defend a country where 5 percent of the people control 95 percent of the wealth?
Lisa: I'm defending a country where people can think, and act, and worship any way they want!
Adil: Can not.
Lisa: Can too.
Adil: Can not!
Lisa: Can too!
Homer: Please, please kids! Stop fighting. Maybe Lisa's right about America being the land of opportunity, and maybe Adil has a point about the machinery of capitalism being oiled with the blood of the workers.
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When his Beckness says he is going to show me some parts of history that the progressives have been hiding for a hundred years, well I start to doubt the great Beckster. If it was hidden so well how did a dumb shit like him find it.
So do we have to make the final choice today? I think I want to live free of Beck's bullshit from now till the day I die. Is that a valid choice?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
..but there are things he might one day say to me that will cause me to get too upset forcing my brain to melt. What I'm scared of is his "reality" being considered gospel to thousands in this country. People who are otherwise disgusted with their lot in life and have no clue as to how to make their situation better OR are so jaded that everyone else is responsible for their poor condition OR just don't have the time to challenge any of this to learn the difference between truth and beck's BS. I had to explain to a friend the other day that NO, obama DIDN'T give Interpol the right to arrest anybody in the USA without due process and that what he did grant is offered to many other police organizations around the world (and a big shout-out to fact-check.org on that). This is a respectable and intelligent businessman and he blindly believed something that clearly could not have been true. I caution on him regularly on what he listens to but there's no getting through to him sometimes and it is scary!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
liberal fascism is only a natural response to the very real threat of conservative fascism.
conservative and liberal fascism have existed in some countries at various times around the world. it is a means of controlling outside influences in order to propagate your agenda.
in america today there is a very real threat of conservative fascism taking solid enough root to turn america away from democracy.
beck is just a loser bought and paid for by his corporate masters who recognize this is true and are shouting out trying to prevent the enevitable backlash.
woody guthrie used to have inscribed on his guitar " this guitar kills fascists," well we can't all play guitars, and besides you have to fight fire with fire.
someone tell me though why are so many idiots given over to positions of authority in this country?
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Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
And all next week we'll hear "Some people say..." on the Fox "News" Shows. Then the MSM will get in line saying "It has been reported...." and I'll have to listen to my white extremist "freinds" telling me how I want to take their guns so they can't protect themselves, and me, from the OUTRAGES of the government.
More taunts of "His middle name IS Hussein" "Obama, Osama same thing, noticed Obama hasn't caught him yet, want to know why...."
Why can't we just get Fox off the air before they get to further call the shots on who gets in office?
...how they use tactics right out of the fascist handbook to try and prove that anyone who disagrees with their ideology is actually a fascist...
I don't have time to get into this at the moment David, but have you ever considered that attacking this strain of propaganda head plays into their game. All authoritarians need an enemy to feed off of, and I tend to think what you do, while all well and good, really seems to fire them up and the hate cycle escalates as Captainapathy points out.
If you really wanted to bust them up, in my view, you have to put a wedge between the Nazis and the libertarians within the tea bag movement.
I think an essential first step is to be accurately informed about them. Without that, I don't think an effective strategy can be formed. And letting them operate at will without exposure is a certain route to defeat.
I agree that we need to talk about effective counter-strategies. At this point, I think we need to make people aware there's a serious problem that needs to be countered, though.
Witness all the people who complain whenever we write about him that we're "just giving him free publicity."
Cool, but let me suggest that part of that informing process is to point out that all teabaggers are not the same, should not be simply lumped together for two minutes of hate, and have serious, serious differences amongst them that are easily exploited by those with an interest in a healthy political system.
I have been watching a bit of Beck this past year, mostly I've been reading the Beckian message boards. They are terrifying in their smug righteousness and ignorance...and vitriol.
I am appalled that the MSM has done NOTHING to debunk the paranoid ramblings of this kook. Sadly, his fans believe his every word. What is appealing about that weepy, paranoid doughsack?
We need to debunk this garbage at every possible turn.
When the teabaggers feel they've been had, they get really mad...too bad they haven't figured out the corporate suits behind their "grassroots" tea party movement are out to make money off of the gullible...and keep them entertained and ignorant.
Anyway - that stupid 5000 Year Leap book is another of the foundations of their bizarro universe of anti-liberalism. I haven't brought myself to read it but it needs a thourough (and very public) debunking too.
Keep up the great work - we need more folks just like you..but when a good portion of the population believes BS from Fox...I don't know....I feel fearful for the future of the country.
or is Beck subliminaly wishing to shoot himself in the head?
See my first comment...first comment in the thread.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
The full title of Beck's documentary is The Revolutionary Holocaust: Live Free or Die".
The conservatives went nuts when Alan Grayson (D) used the word holocaust to make his case about health care and the Republicans. Will they likewise flip out that Beck is using the word holocaust to make his case against Obama (as we all know Beck's "history" lesson is going to eventually reach the conclusion that Obama supposedly has the U.S. on the road to Marxism and Facism)?
..thankfully, beck is not a member of congress or an real person for that matter.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Obama and most liberal Democrats are clearly fascist, if - as many progessives do - you define fascism as placing government power in the hands of corporations. (Remember, for example, how the liberals on the USSC thought it was Constitutional for corporations to use eminent domain?) Obviously Beck is an idiot to think that fascism is the government using its power to regulate corporations.
Actually, that's an over-simplification, but a probable view.
The distinction for liberalism and liberty is freedom from an omnipresent State, dictatorial religious mores, or other zeitgeists.
Both conservatives and liberals favor a strong State in their way. Both believe in the defense of the State, but conservatives seem to want more of an offense as well, MAD, standing armies, all their policies are a war on something. They would also establish the Christian faith, neo-conservatives in particular, if not any particular sect, and tend toward strong man leadership.
Liberals tend to think the government has a place in determining our economy. Adam Smith had the government concerned about the morals and ethics of business practices, so businesses could concentrate on making a profit within the strictures the government set. The Constitution does not guarantee Capitalism, although it does guarantee property rights, with certain caveats. LIberals would have people make up their own minds on religions, mores and philsophies as long as it doesn't adversely impact others, and are within set laws that are logical, and not theological.
But it is the former that seems to follow the classic definition of an oppressive state.
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Unfortunately, most liberals these days equate the economy with corporations, and therefore they will only use government power in ways that are beneficial to corporations - eminent domain, health insurance mandates, military spending, TARP, etc. In a real sense, then, liberals are the true conservatives, as their goal is to preserve a corporate economy.
Too many liberals and Democrats have bought into the free-market nonsense of the neo-liberals, who believe in liberalizing laws as it applies to corporations, not individuals, making them properly conservatives, not liberals, however, true liberals don't seem to hold entirely to the view that's what's good for Wall Street is good for everyone, like their distaff side.
The supreme court decision yestereve seems to be neo-liberalism at it's most insidious and seditious.
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It kind of reminds me of The Man Show. Liberals hear the term free and like the sound of the implied liberty.
But on The Man Show, years ago, they went outside, set up on a corner, collecting signature on petitions to end women's suffrage, and an amazing number of women signed it, probably due to misunderstanding of the term and inferring what it SOUNDED like.
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was it liberals dancing in the streets yesterday when the Sup Ct handed out country to the corporations on a golden platter?
I can't decide if I should pop some popcorn or make a cocktail before watching this thing today. Somehow, a martini and popcorn just don't seem to go together.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
pissed off patricia - you've got a stronger stomach than I do if you can watch anything connected to this idiot. I sure can't listen to this fool for longer than a few seconds. It is like listening to the ravings of a fucking lunatic.
I have to watch it in bits and pieces. I could never sit still and watch every word of his show. He is just too repulsive for me to look at him for more than about five to ten minutes at a time. I have to walk out of the room, maybe come in here and make a comment, or take my dog out. Anything to break up the freakishness of it all. That was why I was thinking a cocktail might be needed to follow the show today.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Can we just herd the imbeciles that believe this foolishness into their own state and let them do their "Lord of the Flies" thing on each other instead of inflicting the stupid on us?
and goldberg hung for treason a long time ago.
Benedict Arnold was never executed, even after he killed Alexander Hamilton.
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..LOL
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
arnold, which makes my point about the constitution and the writers of it being liberals.
Either you're making some obscure parody of Goldberg's scholarship or you're denying Gore Vidal's version of the dual between Burr and Hamilton.
because of all the corruption & incompetence in the 'new" US Government/Military. He spent his whole fortune on the Revolutionary cause, and was, as we put it today "thrown under the bus". Yes they did have busses in those days: Metaphorically speaking.
is not that these sort of tactics will polarize the populous (as if we're not already), but that it will cause the left to shift more and more towards the center. Perhaps the Democratic party is perceived as divided because our supposed super-majority has given us nothing to rally behind, be that in health-care reform or foreign policy.
The genius behind this 'threat' Beck has created is that the Left appears to be pandering to it with more conservative policy.
Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a political ideology that seeks to combine radical and authoritarian nationalism with a corporatist economic system, and which is usually considered to be on the far right of the traditional left-right political spectrum.
Jonah and the people who read him are too dumb to know the true meaning of the word. To project the right wing onto the left is complete insanity.
And the distinction is the corporation would not exist under a Communist State, because the State would own all means of production, and it would be a State of Proletarians, not Bourgeoisie or any other kind of elite, not even for a Vanguard of the Proletarians.
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All you have to do is replace the entry title and two other words:
Liberalism, pronounced /ˈliberalɪzəm/, is a political ideology that seeks to combine radical and authoritarian globalism with a corporatist economic system, and which is usually considered to be in the center of the traditional left-right political spectrum.
That appears to be the definition for neoliberalism, a conservative philosophy masquerading as it's own opposite.
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Even the most liberal Democrats in Congress (and *socialist* Bernie Sanders as well) are supportive of the globalist agenda. In the 21st Century, neoliberalism and liberalism are the same ideology.
go read a book more informative & intelligent than Goldberg's "puppy mess". Even Cat in The Hat would be better.
Man, if I only had a nickel for every time George Bernard Shaw's name has come up in discussions about Liberalism over the last forty years! Counting Beck's reference, I'd have...a nickel...
"Madam I am an athiest, and I thank God for it."
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pantherq - where's the shittiest place in this country that we can park them? The Badlands?
beck is simply preying on the run of the mill ignorance. simply looking up the word "fascism" would show anyone with a modicum of intelligence that "dopey" beck is a liar. some people would come after you with a hammer if you called them a "heterosexual". i still don't understand how anyone could watch more than a minute of this unbaked doughboy and his half-wit remarks.
Two peas in a pod, probably make some lousy soup, except there'd be plenty of ham.
It's not all or nothing.
he really believes he's an intellectual, a voice for the Ages. Sure if that voice is: Bllaaaarrt!
BTW: I think freepquark is Goldberg.
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Well of course he does, after all, his mommy keeps telling him that.
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Just wait until Oliver Stone's "The Secret History of America" premieres on Showtime:
http://www.televisionaryblog.com/2009/08/show...
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
I cannot recommend 'The Anatomy of Fascism' and 'The Nature of Fascism' enough. They contain all the info you need to debate these right-wing armchair historical revisionists. You will learn how fascists are a perverted military culture. How the people are driven into rage through the encouragement of xenophobia and the theme that their country is being humiliated and 'raped' (sound familiar?). And you will also see how fascism is a very gay system (not literally but clearly visually). When dictators dress as generals, nude, neo-classical statues line the streets, and soldiers do funny marches and fashion shows. Read and learn. Soon you will be able to crush all the little Jonahs who are trying to make this liberal fascist argument stick.
for the other. It is so infuriating and frightening, though. Depresses me for days.
I don't watch FAUX. Nothing is fair and balanced. Its like a 3 ring circus. Beck has the center ring surrounded by Hannity and Billo.
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I have watched this POS documentary for half an hour now and all I am getting from this is that all the isms that beck has associated with President Obama have killed or allowed for the dying of mass groups of people. He's relying on Jonah Goldberg as his primary authority along with using some tricky camera shots. He has tried to create a horror flick to get the ire up of all the tea baggers. Oh yeah, he's a true patriot. Seriously NOT.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
About time the historians out there began taking apart Goldbergs bullshit book, I would hope that they turned to the Factually incorrect guides next but that would probably be a full-time job. I absolutely despise with a burning hatred these kinds of political historical revisionisms that Becky, pantload and many other cons have been pushing on the public for years now, it pisses me off to no end.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
Goldberg & Beck are Zoo Food for Morons, no doubt.
Woodrow Wilson however did cause WWII by forcing us needlessly in WWI. He then suspended the Civil Liberties of Pacifists & trade unionists like the Wooblies Movement, these groups were jailed & tortured severely by Wilson. Chomsky acknowledges that Bush never went as far as Wilson. So YES, WILSON behaves in some ways as a Totalitarian & unfortunately is one root of modern Liberalism.
On a serious note:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0...
Fairly ironic that Goldberg and Beck, two polyps on humanity's anus, would call liberalism a cancer.
I don't understand why Glen Beck is so popular. It's like Paris Hilton...nothing but hot air. I would much rather watch a "Survivor' rerun then his self promoting show. I hate cry babies...
I hate struggling financially...
Both Beck and Goldberg were held back in the 10th grade. As such, let me remind them both of the POLITICAL SPECTRUM.
On the far LEFT of the spectrum is Communism. On the far RIGHT of the spectrum Fascism. Communism/socialism is diametrically opposed to Fascism/Nazism.
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The answer is globalism, which combines the authoritarian and expansionist aspects of fascism with the consumerist and expansionist aspects of communism.
In a way, Beck and Goldberg are so dumb, they're almost smart, as they very nearly have realized this. Their only mistake is in not seeing that their own conservative ideology is also a part of the synthesis of fascism and communism.
My guess is that the academics cited in David Neiwert's article aren't even smart enough to realize that a synthesis has taken place, which would actually make them dumber than Beck and Goldberg, and that's pretty dumb.
sounds much more like you are still in 10th grade. or not even 10th.
I even learned in school before 10th grade that naziism was a form of socialism.
and not only because it's in the name of the nazi party.
I've just watched it, it was little more than a history lesson. nothing you didn't already know. who knew stalin was a mass murderer?
I watched as much of it as I could stand. Anyone who graduated from a decent high school would be pretty much aware of all the crap the Beckster included. His premise is totally screwy.
A bunch of old 'movietone' clips of piled bodies and serfs farming and such - clips we've all seen a million times. Stalin, Hitler, Che, Mao and millions murdered or starved to death ....history. We should know it and remember it, so we don't do something equally as dumb.
The problem is, Glenn's hardcore viewers are easily scared and then led to who knows where.?
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
I could take it for about 45 minutes and I agree. I'm not sure what Glenn was trying to shove down the throats of his eager listeners, but yeah, pretty much just a history lesson. Loved the part about Ukraine that was supposed to surprise us as if no one had read about that before.
He should fire his producers. Soooo over done. Corny, as opposed to scary, which I'm sure was his intent.
Good stuff in this post.
Look at the results of republican rule under reagan and both bushs. 5 deep recessions, 9 fold increase in the national debt, 3 stock market collapses, savings and loan debacle, financial collapse almost leading to another great depression, worst terrorist attack in the history of the USA, endless war.
Now look at how we did under Democrat Bill Clinton. Massive budget deficits turned into massive budget surpluses, endless peace, no recessions, and a 5 fold increase in the stock market. And you want us to believe your spew about how everything is always so much better when you guys are in control??? GIVE ME AN EFFING BREAK ALREADY!! Talk about re-writing history...
a 2 min youtube that may explain a lot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85ILt3c3S8A
This is a standing offer....
$1,000,000 reward for any con-servative moron that can consistently define the difference (yes you need not apply if you don't know that there is a difference between socialism, fascism, communism, marxism, and nazism) between ANY OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED systems/ideologies.
Also, an additional $1,000,000 if you can understand the history behind each and how closely unregulated corporatist capitalism & fascism are...and what you're advocating for is in fact the same....
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/04/15-10
http://www.coreymondello.com/joe.html
Read 10 times each and if necessary repeat until it penetrates...
We don't inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children - Native American proverb
If being cold means there's no such thing as global warming, does being full mean there's no such thing as world hunger?
Beck is either a frothing nutcase, or a blithering idiot....
I cannot believe in this day and age, pathological lying nutcases like these two doughy pantloads can get on t.v. and spew bullshit so far detatched from reality, that anyone who owns a dictionary - could find out in about two seconds that these idiots don't even know the definitions of the words they use.
Fascism and socialism are mutually exclusive terms. Calling a socialist a fascist, is like calling a guy a lesbian! That's how freakin' stupid these assholes are?
Open your Webster's or any other dictionary, look up fascism, and you will find a picture of Beck and all these other rightwing morons, along with the GOP's logo.
And now, thanks to the 5 fascists on the Supreme Court, we will have to endure even bigger and bigger lies from these fascist goons.
Man, this country is so screwed unless "we the people" take it back from the corporate fascists - by force if neccesary. Because the let them eat cake Mr. Potter types clearly have not one ounce of decency or humanity in their souls, which means they have no intention of ever changing.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
study its meaning. Then look up fascism. Study its meaning. Then look at the property rights decisions SCOTUS has made in favour of private developers being able to seize property and claim 'eminent domain' if public officials agree with the corporation that the development is for the good of the area being developed. You'll find you are speaking of fascism. Theft by private enterprise, aided and abetted by govt. Been going on since the 1800s, when corporations were granted personhood.
If you want to see something close to socialism, his you ignorant backside over to France, Germany, Scandinavia, places where everyone in the country (tourists, immigrants, people there illegally, not just citizens) has medical and dental care, and yes private property, and a much higher standard of living overall.
If you want to go back to paying for firemen to put the fire out, or paying a watch committee to keep your streets safe, please, find a way back to the 18th century. because police fire and roads-prime examples of socialism. And learn to make 'fascism' a bad word, instead.
"People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America?" Drama Queen Clown. Quit fighting against your own interests. That's just moronic
me-oww!
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