'Is Conservatism Brain Dead?' If Jonah and Glenn are the best they've got, the answer is yes
By David Neiwert Monday Oct 05, 2009 12:00pm
Steven Hayward asked a key question this weekend: "Is Conservatism Brain Dead?" The key paragraph was this:
About the only recent successful title that harkens back to the older intellectual style is Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism," which argues that modern liberalism has much more in common with European fascism than conservatism has ever had. But because it deployed the incendiary f-word, the book was perceived as a mood-of-the-moment populist work, even though I predict that it will have a long shelf life as a serious work. Had Goldberg called the book "Aspects of Illiberal Policymaking: 1914 to the Present," it might have been received differently by its critics. And sold about 200 copies.
There's one little problem with this: The entire thesis of Goldberg's book is a fraud. Goldberg not only deployed the F-word, he built the entire book on a false, historically untenable, claim: that "fascism, properly understood," is not a right-wing phenomenon but a left-wing one.
Indeed, the spread of Goldberg's thesis into conventional wisdom on the right is one of the main drivers in the transformation of conservatism into a pack of mouth-foaming pseudo-populists:
One of the most persistent components of this is the right's ardent embrace of the fraudulent thesis of Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism -- to wit, that "properly understood, fascism is not a phenomenon of the right at all. Instead, it is, and always has been, a phenomenon of the left." The embrace of this fraud as somehow truthful has produced those teabaggers' signs bearing swastikas (suggesting that health-care reform is fascist) and signs showing Barack Obama as Hitler and, moreover, the claims that Obama is marching the nation down the road to fascism.
It's been particularly embraced by movement conservatives in their efforts to whitewash from public view the existence of right-wing extremists among their ranks.
The impact of this embrace on our national discourse has been deeper than probably anyone suspected when the book was first published last year. Not only is Goldberg's thesis now taken as an article of faith by such right-wing talkers as Rush Limbaugh (who probably helped inspire Goldberg's thesis in any event), Glenn Beck, Michael Savage,, but also among the teabagging protesters whose ranks are increasingly filled by real right-wing extremists.
What's most noteworthy, perhaps, is that Goldberg's thesis is being used to attack anyone who points out the frequently violent and intimidating behavior of these extremists. It's not the right-wing protesters carrying open weapons, Obama=Hitler signs, and openly disrupting the discussion of health-care reform at town-hall sessions who are behaving like Brownshirts, they insist -- it's the liberals who show enough nerve to stand up to them!
You can trace a lot of the popularization of Goldberg's thesis to Beck's open promotion of it, as in the video above from earlier this year. And when you're talking about brain-dead conservatives, Beck is safely Subject No. 1.
Oddly enough, though, Hayward then goes on to suggest that perhaps Beck himself is the chief hope for ending conservatism's intellectual drought. Oy.
If Jonah Goldberg and Glenn Beck are the leading intellectual lights of this generation of conservatives, there can be no other answer to Hayward's question than an affirmative one.
[H/t to Mitch.]
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I like the sound of that.
"Devil worshiping Sasquatch type creatures"?
Ya like the sound of that ricky?
Well DO ya?
I do.
Ya know, Sasquatch isn't such a big laugh up in my neck of the woods. WHERE HE LIVES!
And if you ask some people in Humboldt, the Devil lives here too.
We got the Skunk-Ape down here by golly!
And the Devil lives next door to me.
Ricky's got the chupa cabra. I think they caught one near his house last week.
And I don't have to tell you that ricky himself is the devil incarnate.
is a recent visitor, brought by the teeming High-spanics
who are engaging inb the Reconquista thing Michelle Malkin is worrying us all about. We native Texans are more properly concerned with the inbred demented fellow with the leather mask and chain saw.
Rick Perry?
Rick Perry is an alumni of Texas A&M. The Agricultural and Mechancial College. The place you can get a PhD in Chicken Shitology. He was a yell leader there.
He is an Aggie. Nothing more, nothing less.
You do not demonize Aggies in Texas. You simply acknowledge they have been, are, and will in all likelihood be among us and occasionally be put in charge. Although he is the first to make it to the Governor's office.
..sounds like it could be my brother.
Next time you see him, tell him to phone home; I have his meds!
You guys get all the REAL monsters...
What do we get?
A fuckin idiot in a cheaply made gorilla suit!
the devil went down to Georgia. At least that's what Charlie Daniels said...
His migratory route takes him all the way to the keys.
with an English accent.
Peter Cook film.
to meet my neighbor ricky.
West Palm Beach has a new monster. I think it's called the Muck Monster. They already have a Muck Monster cocktail, t-shirts and the whole commercial thing going. I'm guessing what someone saw was Rush swimming in the open waters.
that with all the talk about oxy-morons on this thread that ol' Rushie's name would soon come up.
I'm happy you weren't disappointed. Even if I didn't see what I was doing at the time.
Rush would not swim in the open waters.
The Great Gasbag might float, however, depending on his bloviation levels that day.
There's only one way to find out. Let's pick his fat white ass up and toss him in the ocean. If he floats, he floats.
Might get arrested for littering PoP
I've been involved in enought beach clean ups that they would probably give me a pass in this area. Besides if he floats we'll just tow him out to sea and let him ride the Gulf Stream current to wherever it might take him.
In a round table discussion this Sunday with the Skunk Ape, Sasquatch, Chupa Cabra and the Muck Monster, all four were in unanimous agreement that we should get out of Afghanistan.
What? Did the Yeti abstain from voting?
He was chillin with the Dalai.
commenters will immediately say at lesst three of the four were misled by Obama's position on that war.
The other one will say that this is not change it can believe in.
I'm starting to doubt your facts. I've never known Chupacabra to back down from a fight, no matter how ridiculous the odds.
don't EVER back them into a corner...
Blue Lensman, you are way ahead of me because I have never heard of Chupacabra before today. Sounds like a bra for a lady with several large breasts.
Please don't wrap one around your chest!
My aunt did that...
poor woman...hasn't walked right since.
southwest kind of thing. They used to try to scare us with it in Arizona. There was also one called the "Yerona (sp?). This was supposedly a kind of witch and someone killed her children and she spent her time looking for her kids and sometimes taking other peoples' children. She was much creepier than the Chupacabra.
That sounds better than what Monster quest on the history channel was searching for here in AZ, some sort of man-shaped creature that hovers though the air.
Chupy aint got nothing on the WV Moth-man, and of course Victorian England had ole Spring-heeled Jack, that guy could get around.
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 16:32 — boocilla69
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That would be La Llorona
Sounda like a variation of the Celtic banshee, or in it's original terminology bean sidhe (woman of the sidhe, or fairy mound, presumably dead ancestors).
the Devil is holding court in Vegas.
Hey, I'm from Humboldt--where does the Devil live? Do they have those "maps to the stars" things for him?
I must admit I do not care for it.
FINE!
Green Eggs and Ham either, for that matter, but you do not have to engage in the blogospheric act of screaming because you didn't like the answer I gave to your f-word-ing question.
Ah man...thanks ricky...
ya finally got me to laugh today...I needed that.
from the corporate elites. the simpletons eat this shxt up. they run around talking about the romance of "individualism" at the cost of others. individualism?.......... really?
Beware the Newt! C-span is showing a speech Newt gave to Americans for Prosperity this past Saturday. He is speaking about what his party needs to do for America but saying it's what all Americans need to do for the country. He's isn't saying the batshit insane stuff you hear from Rush and Beck, but he's close enough to attrack the tea baggers and maybe the ones whose brains haven't flat lined yet. I would bet that he is definately looking to run for President in 2012. And what scares me is that he could probably tow the base and a lot of other republicans as well. Newt is a whole lot of things, but unlike so many other repubicans, he isn't drop dead stupid.
Newt may actually make Jonah look good.
Yes...conservatism IS brain dead.
And Obama is not a Liberal.
The only people who ever thought he was were conservatives and people who were not paying attention to what he said.
that Beck and Goldberg are actually pretty bright fellows compared to Hayward himself and the editors of the Washington Post for printing that piece. Oh thank heaven for the American Enterpirse Institute to give money and titles to intellectual fraudulence like Hayward.
The WaPO is actually giving credence to someone trying to give a patina of scholarship to what can at best be described as truth defying illogic masquerading as broadcast and print commentary?
Well said ricky!
It's interesting to see Goldberg try to make an argument that fascism is a product of liberalism, especially since one of the few fascist leaders in history specifically disagrees with him...
"Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and economic sphere."
-- Benito Mussolini
What are Jonah's credentials? Probably about the same as Beck's. Yeah when you can proudly point to those two as speaking for your party, you have to, somewhere deep down inside, know that you are putting your party in the same class as the clowns in the little car at the circus. They may be funny to some but they scare the hell out of most people.
his mom. Those are his credentials. He's a momma's boy.
These guys are making millions playing the right wing masses for suckers. They ain't stupid. They are much like successful charlatans that have spanned the ages only now they have megawatts of broadcast power spreading their crap.
that last sentence should read:
If Jonah Goldberg and Glenn Beck are the leading intellectual lights of this generation of conservatives, there can be no other answer to Hayward's question than an affirmative one.
Yep. Thanks, fixed.
WTF is a "progressive fascist"? Kind of like a scalding ice cube?
If not you are probably wasting money buying in bulk and hoping your deep freeze is gonna keep that stuff forever.
Bwa ha ha ha ha ha!
Good luck with that.
THAT is an oxymoron. Unless he means "Plenty O' Fascism", which would THEN describe the Neo-Cons perfectly, him included.
“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”
Sinclair Lewis quotes (American Writer, 1885-1951)
Beck and the rest of the klowns are laughing all the way to the bank. the regurgitate their nonsense to their audience after group sessions/lingustic coaching. this is good red meat for people that love to hate and aren't interested in the truth but rather the path of least resistance of hating those not like them. some of this watching audience are in a big hurry to blame obama for everything so NOT to think/admit to the BUSH legacy. president obama walked in the white house that has BUSH shxt on the entire floor. now he has to clean it up and take blame for it.
I'm okay with their name calling using words like fascist and socialist and all the others, but when they begin to call us ickey creepy do-do heads, then I'll be frightened. That's when we'll know they have run out of the scary words they found on some bathroom wall at a Texaco gas station in the south and resorted to their own basic language.
Oh, PO'd Patty, I think I'm in love...
Umm, Nonny, around here we don't ask and don't tell. ;) But we do thank someone like you for a comment like that.
... I meant that in a completely non-sexual way, of course. I'm completely heterosexual. Not that I have any problem with gays. That didn't sound right, either...
...I think I'll just shut up now....
you're blushing!!!
};)>
I was teasing, Nonny is blushing and neither of us finds anything wrong with any of that.
...but there's still an awful lot of zombies wandering around, making incomprehensible monster noises and scaring the more naive children and feeble-minded.
It's a good schtick, though - anything they right has done that has backfired, well - BLAME IT ON THE LIBERALS! Some poor crazy guy walks into a church spouting hate filled nonsense he's got off Limbaugh and Hannity and Beck and shoots innocent people? Oh, he's not really a rightwinger; he's just some schmuck the left has put up as a plot to smear the right. That one took my breath away - but it made me very alert to the pattern. We do something that is blatently bad, evil, and disgusting? Don't worry - BLAME THE LIBERALS! No one will ever notice the con...
I will continue to hope that most thinking, rational adults can see through this childish 'I'm rubber, you're glue' idiocy and reject it for the hypocritical crap it is. But having read so many comments on various news websites, 'thinking, rational' adults seem rather thin on the ground in these days of Fox-fed propaganda...
Zombie Reagan already ate all their brains.
It was sad to hear NPR's TOTN program interview Goldberg today and let him spew his "liberals are worse" crap with nary a challenge to his assertions. As a matter of fact, the host's silent acceptance of his argument just allowed doughy to push further than usual into his fantasies and half the audience probably believed the stuff seeping out of his pants.
NPR has seen its last dollar from this former member.
We were due to reup in Sept. but the same reasons for other interviews this summer made me want to hurl. No more beg a thons from NPR for me.
that the few people that listened to that and like what he had to say are not the kind that are going to support NPR, they don't even want to help vets or homeless people or anyone that isn't busy picking themselves up by their bootstraps.
They just wasted good air time and alienated those that are more likely to support them financially.
Beck believes only in people who watch Fox TV because they like their reality spoon fed to them; they fear that thinking for yourself may hurt your brain.
Believe in America and its people??? Not Beck. Beck doesn't believe in the more than half of Americans who elected Obama to be our President. Why does he keep spouting these stupid, silly bumpersticker slogans?
He started off his career as a 80s morning radio acidhead DJ with stupid voices and worse stunts, 20 years of booze and drugs really messes up a persons mind, not that Beck had much of a mind to begin with.
It has taken a long time to show what a bad idea it really is but now there is no dening it. Conservatisim has failed miserably. It has proven that you have to be insane to be one. 25% of America is batshit crazy.
republicanism is a mental illness!
John Stuart Mill was too kind to conservatives.
Are the exact same people that were too stupid or crazy to get on Jerry Springer's show. Brain dead? Maybe. All I know is when I hear their blithering dumbass ranting...it kills MY brain cells.
Once again morons, liberalism (socialism) and fascism are mutually exclusive terms. It's like calling a guy a lesbian! These idiots are so fucking stupid, they don't even know the definitions of the terms they use.
The modern conservative capitalist, is the textbook definition of a fascist! Read some history you idiot's. What conservatives have done recently, is EXACTLY what Hitler did with corporations in the 30's.
Mussolini called it corporatism - not fascism. Gee, wonder which assholes love some corporatism?
... trapped inside the body of a man.
;)
or Bruce. Or Bruce
Shall I lament that fact or congratulate you?
It sounds like you may be falling for a myth about what Mussolini actually said about corporatism. We all know the quote:
But, according to Chip Berlet, Mussolini never said that:
There's a good deal more, including what Mussolini actually did say about corporations. Let's just say the laissez-faire types had nothing on the fascists.
Finally, as I've also pointed out, it's unwise to take any quote from any fascist at face value -- simply because they were prodigious liars and relentless propagandists. If Mussolini ever were to have said this, it would have been in the service of attracting corporate capital.
Indeed the fascists were prodigious liars, and so are the laissez-faire types.
They only mean hands off THEIR enterprise while they seek to crush the competition.
I believe I heard it on the History Channel. Don't remember when though. I think they said he refered to Fascism as Corporatism in his meetings.
I hope you don't seriously consider the History Channel as 'history'.
They did a pretty good job on Gen. Smedley Butler and the fascist corporations attempt to overthrow FDR.
But it's not good if they're anything like the Discovery Channel who would do shows on stories they knew were bull flop like Big Foot, hauntings and UFO's for the ratings.
I don't watch it all that much anymore, but I have enjoyed the shows I have seen. They have had some pretty good historians on those shows.
If Goldberg and Beck are the best conservatism has to offer (and they are), it not even clear that they have brains. I am thinking more like disorganized neural ganglia myself.
they do resemble amorphous blobs of protoplasm.
neural plaques/entanglements.
He doesn't know his history or his sociology, when somebody portraits themselves as the messiah as Beck has done, when that day comes when Beck inevitably fails to deliver, one of his zealous fans will do the Catcher in the Rye thing. Beck is playing with fire riling up the insane. Its going to bite him big time one day.
Glenn from Beckistan is being a bit defensive tonight. I wonder if he might be feeling a little heat from those who aren't clinically brain dead on the right? He's all yelling and fussing and bitching and moaning about guess who? That's right the President and anyone who has ever organized anything even so much as their clothes for the next day. He found some guy who went to school at the same time the president did and at the same school. He admits he has no fu*king idea if the president has ever met the man or knows of his existance, but since the man was once a lobbyist for ACORN, he must be in some sort of nasty cahoots with the President and the President's secret plan to steal the country and drag it off to Kenya or something.
OR stronger morphine.
But let's face it, any post with "Glenn", "Jonah" and "Brain" in the title is enough to get us started.
Hell, I can get pretty reved up just seeing the name, Glenn.
Sinclair Lewis's It Can't Happen Here, published in 1935, is his most peculiar novel. For one thing, it's the closest thing to speculative fiction he ever wrote. It describes the rise to power of an American fascist named Buzz Windrip, who arrives on the political scene to rescue America from a plague of labor unions, welfare cheats, godless atheists, and gun-grabbing Jews.
It's an intriguing enough premise but, to be honest, Lewis fails to make it very compelling. Certainly it lacks the power of later works that envision a totalitarian society, such as Brave New World, by Aldous Huxley, or 1984, by George Orwell. In most respects, it's one of his weakest works; it lacks most of the human detail and probing realism of his greatest novels. Among other problems, the plot is predictable, and the characterization, usually a Lewis strength, is very thin. It also was written after he had been awarded the Nobel, and actually marked the beginning of his decline as a writer—even though it was also a major bestseller.
Nonetheless, it's an intriguing work, in part because Lewis wrote it when fascism was already very familiar and before it had mutated into the Holocaust horror we think of when we think of fascism today. The book is a denunciation of fascism and its potential to take hold in America. Lewis may have lost his writer's touch, but he still understood Main Street better than most, and some of his detail is very telling indeed, at least in a political sense.
--David Neiwert (Chap.10 pp. 227 - 228)
These people are performers of Murdocks' minions.
Their only purpose is to work up the xenophobia of people who have been and continue to be disadvantaged by the imperial march of globalization and who are not capable of understanding the real source of their dilemma.
And to confuse the hateful masses who are told there is a dangerous New World Order. Indeed there is, but it is not one they are told about, it is the dominance of the trans national corporations that is the source of their declining horizons.
The mechanism of that dominance is the World Trade Organization which through treaties to which they subscribe, nations have their sovereignty superseded.
It is all at the behest of international corporatism which is an extension of the American Empire. For now.
The dupes of Murdock's minions are led to believe that there is a one world government cabal. That would be the United Nations but it has no power. Primarily because of the veto power held in the security council. The United States vetoes anything it doesn't like.
The real conservatives are the capitalist power behind the curtain. They are alive and well. Quite well. The financial elites blew of the economies of the world through massive fraud, losing trillions in the process. Because they are too WELL CONNECTED to fail, or resist, they got the world's governments to hand over hundreds of billions, even trillions of dollars.
The liberals are also capitalists, though they seek to tweak the system at the edges. They have not been doing much tweaking.
I want to replace the system.
Conservatives should change their name to the neo-klown party, because that's what they've become. With Beck using Vicks for fake tears and Steelebeing castigaated everytime he opens his mouth, the GOP hardly knows what position to take at any given moment.
Perhaps the Know Nothingers.
Just wait until the day when Beck mixes up his tubes of Vicks and his hemorrhoid cream. There will be tears coming from every direction.
I read Hayward's piece and was astonished that he came to the conclusion that he did. Ultimately, his assertion that Beck and Goldberg represent a favorable development for the intellectual future of the GOP says a great deal about how the conservatives have arrived at the sorry state they are in today. In other words, if a presumed "elder" of the GOP would see fit to anoint a pair of bomb-throwers, within the same article in which he decries the decline of the party's intelligentsia, then I can only conclude that Hayward himself is unable to recognize how destructive their kind has been to the GOP's long-term viability. Until some highly respected members of the GOP start taking a principled stand, the party will continue to be little but an obstuctionist, noise-machine that is barely competent to govern.
"Church tax exemption means that we all drop our money in the collection boxes, whether we go to church or not and whether we are interested in the church or not. It is systematic and complete robbery, from which none of us escapes."
"It is an absurd fiction that the churches are useful. They are nothing more than propaganda centers for superstitious faiths and doctrines. Church members have a right to believe in and propagate their various doctrines. But they should pay every item of the cost, of this propaganda, including fair taxation for all church property."
[E. Haldeman-Julius, "The Church Is a Burden, Not a Benefit, In Social Life"]
Actually, the church tax exemption is primarily to in furtherance of charitable acts, otherwise you would be making an exception of the non-theistic charities.
The problem is when they sell Bibles, they're essentially selling religion, and those are untaxable (as opposed to religious theme books written by a minister).
I'd also be curious if the property the minister is not only not taxable, but also can be used as an exemption.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" ... "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".
What does the Constitution say about our governments legal recognition of "non-theistic" activities / observances?
Sure any and all American citizens shall be unencumbered to practice their theistic beliefs as is defined in the "Make no law" prohibiting the free exercise thereof. But when our government makes a 501(c)(3) type exception to a theistic institution, are they not ignoring the Constitutional directive as prescribed in "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"?
I believe theistic entities should have equal rights to exorcise their charitable activities, as "non-theistic charities" do. What's the difference between the two?
You state..."the church tax exemption is primarily to in furtherance of charitable acts". Just because they're charitable... does that make them legal according to the constitution? Please help me to understand your view.
"The Catholic Church must be the biggest corporation in the U.S. We have a branch in almost every neighborhood. Our assets and real estate holdings must exceed those of Standard Oil, A.T.&T, and U.S. Steel combined. And our roster of dues-paying members must be second only to the tax rolls of the U.S. Government."
[Father Richard Ginder, prominent Catholic priest, in _Our Sunday Visitor_, May 22, 1960 issue]
"Is the appointment of Chaplains to the two Houses of Congress consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom? In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative.
The Constitution of the U.S. forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion. The law appointing Chaplains establishes a religious worship for the national representatives, to be performed by Ministers of religion, elected by a majority of them; and these are to be paid out of the national taxes.
Does not this involve the principle of a national establishment, applicable to a provision for a religious worship for the Constituent as well as of the representative Body, approved by the majority, and conducted by Ministers of religion paid by the entire nation."
[James Madison]
I've come across a couple of people (not on web sites) who have either read or been fed Goldberg's book.
And what a pleasure it has been for me to "debate" the topic with them. And, in my humble opinion, to have cleaned their clocks.
But since they never let their beliefs be shaken, I'm sure they're still as deluded as before. But it was
great fun.
Thanks Jonah.
When talking to one of those tea-baggers parroting the "socialism/government takeover/give me back my country" line....Just ask them (and the list is by no means exhaustive):
Since January 2009:
How many banks has the government acquired?
How many insurance companies has the government acquired?
How many utility companies has the government acquired?
How many energy companies has the government acquired?
How many transportation companies has the gvt acquired?
How many pharmaceutical companies has the gvt acquired
How many manufacturing companies has the gvt acquired
How many broadcast companies has the gvt acquired?
How many hospitals has the government acquired?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOe_4mgmyyA
I don't know where you get your ideas but a quick google of some of the crazy crap Newter has said in the past six months, coupled with his several marriages and sexual indisgretions would be great to run against his fat ass. Newt is a loser and as crazy as Glenda Beck and that steamy pant load, Jonah Goldberg. Jonah should have spent some time in a war zone to get some perspective for his chickhawk views.
Conservatism is alive, but i'm afraid it's biting and scratching and foaming mad. If they were animals they would be culled - poor bastards...
They all have Mad Conservative Desease, or M.C.D.
They are no longer guided by their better judgement. In short they are fcuked.
They will still be here after the Republican party is abandoned, but they'll be a bit harder to spot.
I don't get what's so hard to understand about the simple, provable fact that in broad strokes Facism is extremist, dictatorial conservatism, while Stalinism is extremist, dictatorial liberalism. They're both very, very bad, and I'm fully willing to admit that when you take socially liberal policies to their extreme limit you get something along the lines of Mao and Stalin.
What is it about the root-for-your-own-team-logic-be-damned flavor of politics with so many people that they're completely unwilling to see weaknesses within their own belief system, or at least simple logic?
Really, if you were that down on Hitler and friends, you would want to analyze what all they had done wrong--a whole lot, though probably not everything--and then try to remove that from your own party and political belief system. Only problem is that'd alienate about 20% of their hardcore base.
Love Dave's dig at Mark Sanford for all those Saraholics and family values hypocrites out there!
Go Dave!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/05/davi...
Drop those 2 doughy pantloads in Falluja.
The liberal fascism bit of propaganda has been repeatedly debunked by anyone with a high school education. Beck is as moronic as they get. Goldberg is a wolf in sheep's clothing, misinforming his base of conservoturds.
Is conservatism worth conserving? The answer is no. Michael Moore is on the right track, we need a new economic system for this modern world, the 16th and 18th century concepts of right and left no longer work.
It is time to shut Glenn Beck down and the way to do it is to stop all talk of him and clear out your archives of any beck stories. It is the left wing that keeps him going. Huffington post, Crooks and liars, Think Progress and Talking points memo etc. that keep him going stop it, let the fringe right support him they don't count. If they want to protest don't cover it just ignore them and they will disappear.
He did NOT use George Carlin as a reference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSAkm3_kI84&fe...
how dare that c*** sucker quote george carlin.
republicans love co-opting people who would have hated them: typically jefferson, king, lincoln, etc.
Is Conservatism Brain Dead? has been framed as a question where it is fact a statement.
The correct framing is "Conservatism is brain dead."
These sideshow charlatans would fall to the curb if Obama could bring himself to lead. I think Obama's goal is to make it to the end ofhis presidency without ever taking a single position.
about corporatism which is problematic for both parties yet they both accuse each other of the same thing but with different terms.
It's hard to tell whether these A holes are true idiots with brains the size of a pea or just flat out liars , evil and without conscience , actually I think they are both . What we had goin down under Bush / Cheney was absolute fascism , now under Obama it's quite the opposite as far as what he wants to do , he is fighting the status quo and fascism . Notice that all of the Repugs and these right wing jackasses like Limbaugh , Beck and Hannity ALWAYS will tell you that the truth is a lie and that the lie is the truth , it's automatic and is from the right wing playbook , Goebbels would be so proud . At this time I would like to thank the Republican God ( Reagan ) who began us on the journey down the toilet . Thank you .
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