Glenn Beck might be a populist if he knew what that meant

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OK, we already knew that Glenn Beck is an ignoramus about economics. Last night, in a brief guest appearance on Bill O'Reilly's show, Beck let slip that he's an ignoramus about political ideologies.

Now, we've been saying for a long time that Beck is a right-wing populist; lately, a number of other observers have reached the same conclusion.

So Beck has been making special note of being called a populist, and in his guest appearance on The O'Reilly Factor, he talked about it:

Beck: The second thing is, is that -- you know, I was called -- who was it that called me today, "a populist"? I'm not a populist! I've been saying this stuff when it was unpopular! I've got news for you: It's still pretty unpopular!

O'Reilly, who is not an ignoramus, corrected him: Populism indeed is politics built on appeals to "the people," or more precisely, "a political strategy, in which a personalistic leader seeks or exercises government power based on direct, unmediated, uninstitutionalized support from large numbers of mostly unorganized followers." However, O'Reilly is quite incorrect when he says that being a populist means "you're not an ideologue": populists often are often highly ideological, but that ideology varies according to the precise brand of populism you're playing.

In any event, populism has nothing to do with being "popular." We know that Glenn's very popular right now, but really, that's not what we're talking about, big guy.

So he's an ignoramus on both economics and political ideology. Ignorance, obviously, is no barrier for Glenn Beck when it comes to opening his yaw and emitting gaseous nostrums.

After all, this is the same guy who's been complaining that Obama is a "socialist" and a "communist" and that we're destroying America in the process. Like he has any conception what those terms mean, either.

Indeed, it makes me wonder: Beck has had on his friend Jonah Goldberg several times and has openly plumped Goldberg's Liberal Fascism as a book that everyone should read.

The major wheel of Goldberg's thesis in that book, however, is his contention that because fascism is a species of populism, it is thus by nature inherently a left-wing creature. He spends a great deal of time connecting fascism up with populism, particularly progressive populism.

Of course, as I've pointed out several times, it's a completely bogus thesis, since right-wing populism has been around almost as long as populism itself (the most obvious pre-fascist examples being Bacon's Rebellion, the Know-Nothings, and the Ku Klux Klan).

Indeed, Goldberg so completely screws up the meaning that I suppose it would be possible for someone to have read his book and still not understand what the hell a populist actually is.

Exhibit A: His buddy Beck.



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Good god...that man is just slap eat up with teh dumbass.

Speaking of Bill O'Reilly. Here he is at his finest.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/ar...

This guy makes Hannity look like a wise senior statesman. If right-wing craziness is your thing, Beck is the man to follow. And just as with Limbaugh, Palin, and Joe the Plumber, the very best antidote to their idiocy is sunlight and exposure! I want everyone in America to hear every word these people say. Nothing could go further to marginalize them than their own unhinged comments. No snark needed - just show them saying what they say, day after day.

... with Jonah Goldberg's book reminds me of the Far Side cartoon about 'What We Hear v. What Dogs Hear.'

What Jonah Says: Liberals are actually fascists, and this reaches all the way back to the original teachings of Stalin, perpetuated by Mussolini and today's schoolteachers.

What Beck Hears: Liberals blah blah fascists blah blah bladdiddyblah blah Stalin blah blah blagojevich blah blahddy Mussolini blah.

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Home movie of glands elementary school teacher:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afi2xeM5ZSI

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beck is secretly their child

After they dropped him on his head:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzFcsdgkg54

Well, I'm must be a populist too. I'm as popular as they come.

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P.S. What is with Becks hair? Is it really orange? I don't have orange hair so maybe I'm not a populist. Ummmmmmm

Not that I expected to really find much anyway. But I did want to see his orange hair. Maybe he's going punk?

but not in the cool way...

Doh! Fixed.

controversy, it's the only reason they would hire a brain dead idiot like Beck. I suppose Beck is CNN's answer to the other cable networks talk show hosts but Beck will never be Hannity, O'Reilly, Olberman, or Maddow.

faux news picked up his cavalcade of nonsense and lunacy a little while ago

really, though, there isn't too much difference btwn cnn and faux.

Sorry about that. Can't stand the guy. The only time I hear about Beck is on the blogs and generally ignore even that. Fox, well that explains a lot.

Not that there's really much difference between the two these days...

...would care to discuss this:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1...

Ha! It's about time the premise of "Liberal Fascism" was exposed as brain-dead!

Remember when the band is criticized for having a sexist album cover? They respond: What's the matter with being sexy?

I'm not a populist, because I say things that aren't popular!

But by this same logic, Obama IS a SOCIALIST, because he's been hosting a lot of parties at the White House.

Glenn Beck IS a useful idiot as well as a sociopath and I believe he knows it.

I doubt he'd be that self aware.

CSPAN 3 and their live AIG coverage:
> http://www.cspan.org/Watch/C-SPAN3_wm.aspx

I know it's off topic, so hurry before I get deleted... :-P

Though without most of the Reps identified in the chyron. "Best Political Team on TV" my ass...

I'm tempted to flip on the tube, though I'm trying to boycott CNN and the others, msnbc just about lost me to. I would cut cable but my Son and Daughter like their sports and House shows. :-)

Some poster on here, I believe it was "counteritelpro" told me they never put the people under oath... Well they just did!

Thanks again :-)

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That ain't a team, that's a duo.

If that were the case, this guy should be a republican pundit:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3183/228059487...

So right-on about the abysmal ignorance of these fatuous fools. But I think you should dig a little deeper into Bacon's Rebellion than Wikipedia - check out Marcus Rediker and Peter Linebaugh, "The Many-Headed Hydra" - http://tinyurl.com/coal6h

On another note the stock market is down over 100 points. It must be Obama's fault just like Bush was the reason it went up for the past 5-6 days according to that Perrino person. .

This was discussed on another thread a day or so ago...
All negative fluctuations in the market are the DIRECT fault of one Jimmy Carter...this goes back even before the dreaded Clintonian era...
Just ask any rightwinger.
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This is all due to FDR's disastrous New Deal that the GOP has been warning us about all along...

You are soooo right!
apparently...my rightwingnut sources haven't gone far enough!
They're all fired!

LOL

doesn't that just drive you nuts

those that look at the daily fluctuations of the DJIA as some sort of economic barometer are just as confused as the climate crisis-deniers who point to the current temperature in their neighborhood as proof that the climate crisis is a hoax. just. don't. get. it.

I appreciate your lowering your exposure of Bill O'Reilly. My brain cells thank you.

However, increasing the exposure of Glenn Beck is not helping.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

L and P has a valid point. This is becoming a waste of tube space. Put it on a truck instead.

And needs to be exposed whenever he says something mind-numbingly stupid...which evidently, is every time he speaks.

...clearly crying for help, and who you just know will ultimately kill his family and then himself.

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I choose not to think that way.

What did his family do to us?

I've been wondering lately why Faux News even has this moron Beck. First, it's for profit.

But, I also am beginning to believe that it is to draw attention from the BillOs and Insannity's on that network and make it look like these clowns are the "sane" ones.

If the latter is true, it certainly is working....but it's an even greater wonder why the cretin moron has such a large following.

I would imagine that Beck wasn’t very populist in high school. He was probably a wannabeist.

He's a POOPulist!

I think he made a poopie.

Beck believes he's not a sociopath because he's not the road to socialism.

Beck is an ignoramus about life. He's just not "real." I have never ever known anyone who is a close to batshit crazy and wacko as this cretin is. He's a cult leader, and it's scary that not only Faux News broadcasts him; it's scary that so many are drinking his kool-aid of paranoia.

Gawd - yet another Beck/Limbaugh/Hannity/Colter/Fox post? Enough already! Why not have a completely separate blog devoted entirely to these irritations. Then anyone who cares to pay attention to these gas bags can OD on it. Let me guess, anytime it gets a little slow around C&L Central it's time to check and see if Fox is still a conservative TV network, to see if their commentators/opinionators are still up in the night goofy, and then breathlessly bring their folly to our collective attention as if it were breaking news.

the name of the blog IS Crooks and LIARS!

Beck is a lying LIAR, a sociopath and the CROOKS in the cable cabals give this lying LIAR a national soap box upon which he can hurl his horseshit at the nation.

Give Me Convenience, Mick's exactly right.

It seems that- and I might be wrong- a lot of people came here in the last year or so, when the focus of C&L was on the issues and politics of the Presidential election. But I've been reading this blog for almost as long as John's had it up- 4 1/2 years- and commenting at it for about 3 1/2 years, and there's always been a lot of attention on the talking heads. More specifically, there's been a lot of attention paid to those dangerous talking heads who foul up the conversation at FauxNews.

that many posters thought this (and other liberal blogs) would become irrelevant after the Nov. election. Wrong!!

Where are those folks now?

I understand the frustration of posters who think Dreck, etc are getting too much exposure. But realize that he's really getting most of his exposure on Faux, by stupid Americans willing to forgo $30+ bucks a month for the privilege.

Think of us posters here as movie reviewers, albeit unpaid, to see the latest schlock. I take comfort in knowing that I have an extra $30 a month for food and cigarettes. Thanks to David N and others for, as they say, watching Faux so we don't have to.

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Gauloises Brunes, non-filtered?

That's my preference.

Gitanes Blondes- magnifique!

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... I thought you guys were talking about cigarettes.

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Men's entertainment.

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What do you smoke afterwards

A ham?

But when you engage with ysbadadden, who knows?

You're engaged to YSB?!
Awesome! };)>

I didn't use a preposition there that would lead you to that conclusion!

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Where are they registered, liberalNmod?

I'd like to buy them a lovely wedding gift.

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...you unimaginative, imbecilic illiterates, you libelous lechers who lack a lexicon, you'll get yers, I tell ya. Someday you'll get yers... *grumble*....*grumble*....

:D

Please forgive me, Andy, but a gal's gotta have fun, ya know!

ps, just wondering, what am I gonna get ... and when am I gonna get it?

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I should have waited for you to announce it! ;)
For real though...sometimes my sense of humor regresses backward to 5th grade.

the new waffle house off I-95, past the Stuckeys exit. ;p

...that the propaganda network is full of brain dead, totally irrational and ignoramouses....much like beck. It is also living proof that we ARE a nation of f*cking morons. When someone is as incoherent, ridiculous and loony as this turd, and he gathers a greater following the more he acts like a lunatic...it says an awful lot about HIS audience and the propaganda network.

It's a shame. And the stupid clown doesn't even realize what an ass he making of himself.

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I can't be a populist!

Why I can't even stand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UjM9UI40jk

I don't believe the claims of Beck's popularity, personally. I think it's manufactured popularity by the same kind of people who manufactured the whole Santelli "rebellion" nonsense.

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You said it better than I did in the earlier post, you make a more succinct point. Hear, hear!

Dude: In my reply yesterday I pointed out that I post on many, many other subjects and gave you links to them. Not to mention that I write as a journalist on many others, which makes me wonder if you have any idea exactly what my "chops" are.

Secondarily: If you don't believe that exposing right-wing mendacity and dumbassery doesn't help the cause, then you oughta go elsewhere. It's what we do here.

I guess your feelings got hurt or something. Grow up.

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I can understand where you're coming from, really..I feel the same about all the Meghan McCain threads...I decided to simply not to go into the threads and comment if I don't like the topic.
It's that easy.

"If you don't believe that exposing right-wing mendacity and dumbassery doesn't help the cause, then you oughta go elsewhere. It's what we do here."

Dear Mr. Neiwert....
You forgot, asshattery, douchebaggery and the always popular, rightwingnuttery.

While you might think that this doesn't subtract from the popularity of a Beck, O'Reilly or Dobbs, that's not really the point. Unchecked, demagogues like this might actually push through their agendas. Blog posts like David's and John's offer a counter-balance, a check on those agendas.

when someone like Beck's popularity is soaring, it should be making us think very carefully about what is going on in the this country.

Sure, it may only be the 28%ers that swallow this shit, but that's still a whole lotta people and when you live in a red state, it pays to keep an eye on the mindset of the majority.

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poopface

It's only by knowing what they're saying that we can come up with our refutations when some conservatives parrots them.

I think even Paul Krugman was thrown a little when some conservatard tried to make the argument that the Depression worsened under FDR's recovery attempts.

When you're a little late with a come-back you might as well not bother.

is exactly why I like these posts and think that they serve a purpose. I live in a conservative state and constantly hear about Beck/BillO/Limbaugh/etc. When people try to tell me about something that they heard from one of these guys and how brilliant it was, I can say well, what about (fill in the blank.) I even take it a step further and listen to their radio shows whenever I am in the car and they are on. Because of this, I can give a smack down to whoever tries to push this silly nonsense. These guys have enough followers to be dangerous and we should be educated about what they are saying.

Constant exposure to dangers will breed contempt for them.
[Lucius Annaeus Seneca]

I read that David Frum article about Beck and Faux News. I didn't realize that one of those books Beck handed out last Friday was written by a prominent member of the John Birch Society.

I'm shocked. I thought Beck had "principles." I just read that Ayn Rand spoke out against the John Birch Society, claiming that they don't really have any "clearly defined political philosophy." She said that all they stand for is being against communism.

Where are Beck's "principles?" First, he's a big proponent of "Atlas Wanked," but now he's pushing a book by a Bircher?

Well, I guess I've heard Beck say that this isn't about "politics." He just doesn't like those evil commies, so he'll say anything and push anything to prevent them from taking over this country.

Ayn Rand speaking against the John Birch Society for their lack of defined political philosophy... is akin to the kettle calling the pot black.

Isn't it ironic that most of the Know Nothings ended up joining the Republican party ...

It is just TOO easy for a joke

What an asshole O'Reilly is. All it takes for him to cut up is to have one of his fellow travellers respond "not necessarily" to one of his propositions. That guy has serious issues.

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But definitely a moron of epic proportions. He's the Blond male version of Palin only a little crazier and stupider

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If anyone is chasing their tail right now, it is you.

The general purpose of this blog has been explained to you. Several people have taken the time to explain to you why they come to this blog, and why such posts as this one are useful to them. Some of us, myself included, encounter people everyday who parrot bobblehead talking points, and it helps to recognize where they are getting their misinformation from so that we can challenge it where we are able to percieve it. These fans of bobblehead talking points often do vote, and the more we can point out the flaws, the more aware they will be when they go to the booth to cast a vote.

If you sincerely feel that C & L is not covering something you think is vitally important, why don't you sign up for Blogspot or WordPress and start writing about these things yourself? You seem intelligent, and I'm sure your perspective on the issues is valuable.

In the meantime, you're getting nowhere by trying to pick at Neiwert and the other writers of the blog to change their established and valuable format.

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Sigh.

Let me explain why I do what I do.

Remember Bill Clinton's speech after Oklahoma City?

In this country we cherish and guard the right of free speech. We know we love it when we put up with people saying things we absolutely deplore. And we must always be willing to defend their right to say things we deplore to the ultimate degree. But we hear so many loud and angry voices in America today whose sole goal seems to be to try to keep some people as paranoid as possible and the rest of us all torn up and upset with each other. They spread hate. They leave the impression that, by their very words, that violence is acceptable. You ought to see -- I'm sure you are now seeing the reports of some things that are regularly said over the airwaves in America today.

Well, people like that who want to share our freedoms must know that their bitter words can have consequences and that freedom has endured in this country for more than two centuries because it was coupled with an enormous sense of responsibility on the part of the American people.

If we are to have freedom to speak, freedom to assemble, and, yes, the freedom to bear arms, we must have responsibility as well. And to those of us who do not agree with the purveyors of hatred and division, with the promoters of paranoia, I remind you that we have freedom of speech, too, and we have responsibilities, too. And some of us have not discharged our responsibilities. It is time we all stood up and spoke against that kind of reckless speech and behavior.

If they insist on being irresponsible with our common liberties, then we must be all the more responsible with our liberties. When they talk of hatred, we must stand against them. When they talk of violence, we must stand against them. When they say things that are irresponsible, that may have egregious consequences, we must call them on it. The exercise of their freedom of speech makes our silence all the more unforgivable. So exercise yours, my fellow Americans. Our country, our future, our way of life is at stake.

I have been trying to live up to that speech since he made it.

You may think doing so is a waste of time and our priorities. Or maybe you question my choices as far as who it is I choose to stand up to.

But until I see you doing the same for whoever it is you think we ought to be devoting our attentions to -- and you never tell me who that is, just that we not ought to be paying attention to the fastest-rising right-wing talk-biz star -- I'll reserve judgment on those choices to myself. I listen to other people, of course -- but it's usually people who've actually earned my respect through similar action.

n/t

Thank you David!

"Don't rock the boat. ***** whiiiine*****"

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Myopic sounds like a film line for oprah to extoll the virtues of being oprah, and how wonderful oprah is.

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after awhile.

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That is freaking hilarious, ysb!

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Thassawhat I based my life on

That

And thissa song here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzthPHrcA50

Great cartoon ... I like the choke mechanism in the car! Funny stuff.

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bristol no longer IMpregnable - - - - -
the baby inCONCIEVABLE - - - - -
Rush is an oxy-medicated-moron - - - - -

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Inigo Montoya: You are sure nobody's follow' us?
Vizzini: As I told you, it would be absolutely, totally, and in all other ways inconceivable. No one in Guilder knows what we've done, and no one in Florin could have gotten here so fast. - Out of curiosity, why do you ask?
Inigo Montoya: No reason. It's only... I just happened to look behind us and something is there.
Vizzini: What? Probably some local fisherman, out for a pleasure cruise, at night... in... eel-infested waters...
Vizzini: INCONCEIVABLE.
[In the boat in the morning]
Inigo Montoya: He's right on top of us. I wonder if he is using the same wind we are using.
[Vizzini cut the rope The Dread Pirate Roberts is climbing up]
Vizzini: HE DIDN'T FALL? INCONCEIVABLE.
Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Glenn Beck - nutty as a fruitcake and dumb as a box of hair. Talk about an ugly combination!

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Box of hair, what no hair pie?

I wish liberals, progressives etc. would stop using the term populist. Maybe it's not so smart to constantly use it in a negative context when their own grassroots are populist.

And populism shouldn't be a negative thing in a real democracy. Using the term makes you look and sound like a snob, the stereotype of a east-coast liberal elitist, looking down on the "ordinary peasants and their silly populist ideas".

I smell a wedge issue. And self-proclaimed liberal elites, are lured into talking accordning to divide and conquer tactics. Make sure leftist who worry about totatlitarianism and right-wingers who worry about totalitarianism never communicate. So when totalitarianism comes, they are unable to join forces. Like under Bush. They were soooo close to shutting down your society. Could the people stop it? No.

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Actually, it's beck's not even understanding the term that's the joke here.

JFK was a populist, but he strove to inspire the people to rise above themselves, but then there are those who seek to plunge them into the abyss of their own prejudices, but technically they're not populists but demagogues.

I had a man call me at work telling me that he could not get into the company web site. I reset the web site so he could reregister. He told me he could still not get in. I told him all he needed to do was to follow the computer prompts and he would be able to get in. He told me he was an IT specialist with a Masters Degree in Computer Science, but he can’t get in. I asked him if he had any children around. He had his eight year old son there. I asked to speak to the son. He had his father registered in three minutes. The father had me transfer him to my supervisor to complain about my attitude. My supervisor admonished me about my customer service skills. She is twenty one with two years work experience. I am fifty one years old with thirty five years of work experience.

Listening to people talk about Beck is a lot like the above experience to me.

I am a temp, and will be leaving the job in two weeks and moving to Honolulu. I am now living in Salt Lake City Utah.

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