Gov. Jan Brewer makes it official: Arizona is now nation's first police state for immigrants
Well, no one can say they were surprised by this:
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a new state immigration bill that President Barack Obama called "misguided" hours earlier.
Brewer, saying that the state had been "more than patient waiting for Washington to act" on the issue of illegal immigration, said that the bill would protect Arizona citizens without violating individuals' constitutional rights.
The sweeping legislation makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. It also requires local police officers to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegally.
You can read the bill here [PDF file].
As Media Matters Action Network explains:
If Arizona Governor Brewer signs the Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhood Act, police will be authorized to demand residency paperwork from anyone they suspect to be in the state illegally, even if that suspicion is based on the color of their skin and nothing else.
The Bill Makes It A Crime To Be In Arizona Without Proper Paperwork
AZ Bill "Requires Police" To Determine A "Person's Immigration Status." The Los Angeles Times reported that the newly passed Arizona immigration "bill, known as SB 1070, makes it a misdemeanor to lack proper immigration paperwork in Arizona. It also requires police officers, if they form a 'reasonable suspicion' that someone is an illegal immigrant, to determine the person's immigration status." The legislation passed 35 to 21. [Los Angeles Times, 4/14/10, emphasis added]
Those "Unable To Produce Documents Showing They Are Allowed To Be In The United States Could Be Arrested, Jailed For Up To Six Months And Fined $2,500." According to the Seattle Times, under the Arizona immigration bill "the police would be authorized to arrest immigrants unable to show documents allowing them to be in the country and the legislation would leave drivers open to sanctions, in some cases for knowingly transporting an illegal immigrant, even a relative. Immigrants unable to produce documents showing they are allowed to be in the United States could be arrested, jailed for up to six months and fined $2,500. Currently, officers can inquire about someone's immigration status only if the person is a suspect in another crime. The bill would allow officers to avoid the immigration issue if it would be impractical or hinder another investigation." [Seattle Times, 4/14/10, emphasis added]
Yup, sounds like a police state to me. Just the kinda place where I wanna go spend my vacation, eh?
A sad sad day for America.
very sad indeed :(
I would think that if they start slapping people in the hoosegow willy-nilly, it could get awfully expensive to house a bunch of illegals real quick. I wonder if anyone thought about that, or if they even care?
immigrants that are wrongly profiled.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
there's no need to incarcerate when the whole goal is to deport. Pick 'em up, check their papers, deport 'em if they ain't got any. See how easy it is in WingNut Land?
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" - Red Green
Freedom Ain't Free - Pay Your Share
It's a step closer to just shooting them (suspects). And the people cheered.
far left loon >.<
put a gate on their side of the Colorado River Bridge, which will be finished in November, bypassing Hoover Dam, and have checkpoints for anyone entering AZ. It's the same as a fence on the south border.
I hope everyone comes to Las Vegas, Nevada instead of Phoenix to spend money.
http://www.hooverdambypass.org/
I thought the new bridge would be a good thing.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
...they're going to run up huge incarceration costs and aggravate their already serious fiscal situation. The bill allows for a $2,500 fine, but that won't be nearly enough to offset the cost of housing and feeding someone for six months. I don't think a state has the legal right to deport someone -- that seems like it is solely the responsibility of the federal government -- so all the state can really do, if they want to avoid financial problems, is to turn the offenders over to the Feds.
And, no, it doesn't sound like "a police state." The mere existence of this law will not create a police state. That will depend on the execution of the law. Given how expensive it will be to vigorously use this law, I wouldn't expect that to happen.
Like all knee-jerk ideas, this law is a bad idea. Arizona has a lot of legal Hispanics. If law enforcement targets them simply because of their appearance, I hope those who are harassed make a huge stink. With any luck, this Right Wing abuse could turn into a big loser for the Wingers. I certainly hope so.
The appointed klan Gov of AZ is simply ploying to finish off Arizona's treasury, declare an emergency to get federal tax monies to build new prisons and use the rest of the USA instead of raising AZ taxes, like good little Saint Reagan worshippers.
I had not thought about it before, but it sure makes sense (and dollars).
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
All these bigots want to talk about are the "illegals" while completely ignoring the millions of American citizens adversely hurt by this awful ruling.
what happens when someone who isn't an immigrant forgets his wallet and some power mad sheriff decides to arrest and detain him?
what happens when someone has an epileptic seizure and she can't comply?
this law is as evil as it ridiculous.
It will be challenged almost immediately. But just in case your question wasn’t rhetorical…
That person is arrested, and can’t be released. Without papers he is deported. Without those very same papers he didn’t have in the first place, he isn’t allowed back in the country.
I’m all for giving the police the ability to detain and arrest every criminal in the country. Go forth and serve and protect, police guys. But they DO NOT have the right to determine who is and who isn’t a criminal on their own. That’s part of our judicial process. Here they are being mandated to stop, detain, and possibly arrest just based on suspicion. If arrested, you have to prove your innocence. That’s backwards and ridiculous.
This is assuming she and we don't have enough money to want to be that first case that challenges it in court.
Any plans to visit Arizonanix.What if my daughter who looks Hispanic, with a very Hispanic name has her purse stolen while in Arizona?
Do I tell her to go to the police? What if she has to fly back?
This isn't the first board I asked that question on. She is very, very legal. She is also brown, Catholic and speaks Spanish (but not nearly as well as English - my fault). But with her name, looks and ability to obviously have understood if questioned in Spanish, she could easily be profiled. At least her Spanish is good enough to hopefully get her to an embassy in Mexico. Meh.
Moral: if you are brownish, and have a latin name, learn fluent Spanish before visiting Arizona - just in case. =P Unintended consequence?
I’m sure the Arizona people in favor of this law will declare that your daughter will never be in any legal jeopardy, because she’s an American. The problem with this is who makes that determination. It’s completely arbitrary. The law can’t possibly be applied equally to all. When that happens, so does the potential for abuse.
some would be happy to send her "back" to a country neither she nor any family is from (Mexico) just for being Hispanic. She has had some here (not AZ, but deep south) tell her this! They can be more honest when not a politician and not on TV.
Yes, her getting detained/deported vs. getting a police report taken and a statement for insurance depends completely on the bias or lack thereof of the officers she approaches if the victim of a purse robbery. My son is the same way but on the autism spectrum. That only makes AZ more likely to do THIS now. He's not allowed in that state, for now.
Another question…
Does the law differentiate between suspicion of being an illegal, and suspicion you can’t prove you’re an illegal?
If so, how?
If not, than anybody can be stopped for that reason alone, at any time.
The preface states the articles are designed to work together.
It mandates "any contact" with law enforcement requires the paper check. This means they must check no matter what they think. It does say "where practical". That is judgment and will be the key on the challenges I predict. (Note - this is because some agencies have a policy of not checking, illegals already know NOT to report crimes if the cops check. This leads to more crimes, sane crime units hate more crimes, so many just don't check papers.) But, it would apply to my legal child if she tried to report a crime that stole said id as well now.
Another section states:
E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.
So, yes. The law specifically states they can. No warrant, on that spot .. the crime is looking brownish in public.
Once they arresting citizen who isn't carrying their identity card, they're going to run into trouble. I like to go for a walk after dinner; if I did so in Arizona, I'd have to carry an identity card?
But, if in the eyes of an officer, during your walk you give him probable cause to believe you may be illegal, they may with no warrant, stop you and make contact.
Once they have made contact, they must ask for documentation. If you don't have it, they can charge you with trespassing and arrest you (that is in there too). The once arrested, you may be turned over to ICE. Either an officer in the district arresting you talking to ICE or someone deputized by ICE must check your status. You would then be determined to not be illegal, and released.
The trespassing charge would then be void as it only applies to those here illegally. You may have to follow a procedure (which may cost a fee in greedy places) to get the now invalid charge dropped. So it might be a way to milk money. If they really want to harass you they will claim you were carrying an item on you that makes the charge a felony not misdemeanor trespass. It seems targeted to drug/gang activity but looks broad. An abusive officer (sadly happens) could be very creative. Then you have a felony arrest that was dropped. They may also charge you processing fees as part of the arrest.
If you don't think you'd trigger being profiled, I don't see why you need to carry id. But since being in public while illegal is now a crime (of trespass - or felony if carrying some classes of items) and warrantless arrests are allowed if they think you may be illegal - it makes it a very good idea to carry that id if you might "look illegal".
Good bye Arizona.
Rightardia, Klanzona, the butthole of scorching brain cells.
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NAZI SCUM in Europe proclaimed profiling kept the Master Race Pure, too!
What part of "PAPER PLEASE" does NOT smack of Fascism?
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.
and my father spent the best part of himself fighting against it:
"Ihre Papiere bitte"
Will this be enough to get our attention? I sure hope so cause if it gets much worse than this I'm not sure we're going to get out of it without serious violence.
I was considering buying a travel trailer from an Arizona company. But now a local company will be getting my business and Arizona will not see a penny of my money until they straighten up.
You'll be sorry when legal immigrants and American-born Latinos leave your pathetic state as well.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
I will forever be against anything Arizona...Sports teams, Politicians, anyone who attempts to justify this purely racist decision.
A fucking Gigantic leap backwards.
This festering sore has been around for at least 6,000 years.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
The flow of illegal Mexican immigrants into the US will never end. They are needed by millions of poor Americans who cannot afford the added expenses of union workers. Thanks to illegal immigrants the cost of a fast food burger is only a buck. A house can be cleaned for almost nothing. They are a blessing to the hungry and tired. Keep them coming.
The "added expenses of union workers", really? Did you ever think that there would be fewer "poor Americans" if they got a living wage for their work? Or maybe just some work.
I don't believe many "poor Americans" pay someone to clean for them.
Jon Stewart performed a song for you.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
"They are needed by
millions of poor Americanswho cannot afford the added expenses ofunionworkers. "They are needed by businesses who do not want to pay the added expenses of American workers.
These guys were on CNN today saying how there would be no racial profiling and people would not be pulled over for "looking illegal," but that once a plice officer has started to question a suspected illegal immigrant they could be held. If that was so, why pass this bill at all? Statutes already exsist to detain anyone suspected of being illegal that cannot provide proof of status. Then the governor says there will be training to stop the law from being abused. If that is so, why isn't the funding or any language to that effect in the bill she signed?
I don't like to sling this term around, but what a bunch of racist dickheads. Brought to you from the same state assembly that passed the "birther bill." Arizona will see none of my money, limited as that may be.
by detaining Steve Nash for being without papers at about 5:45 PM
EDT Saturday. They can hold him on suspicion until the Arizona
cops arrive.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
First off, any first year law student worth his/her weight in sand will tell you this is a violation of the US Constitution. So, it will be a gigantic waste of $$ for Arizona tax payers the first time someone gets arrested for this. Immediate temporary injunction, followed by a 10 year fight to the SCOTUS where it is overturned.
Secondly, really? Do we really have to equate everything to Nazism? Yes, it is a travesty. Yes, it is a violation of the civil rights afforded to everyone in this country. No, we are not going to kill people by the trainload. Cool it, peeps. It demeans our side.
Nazism began like this.
I've been saying this repeatedly and catch flak for comparing but it is a fact , as you said , read a GD history book or two ! The Republican's have adopted Joseph Goebbels playbook . Karl Rove , Cheney , the Neocon , right down to Beck , Limbaugh ... these scum are not stupid but they are evil and completely mad .They've got their propaganda network , another one is starting up , they have most of the MSM on their side , the Supreme Court is now sabotaged , they've installed their own people to shred the Constitution and the bill of rights , they've conned the " church " into supporting them , they've got all of the money / Corporations backing them and a whole lot of people who are falling for all of the lies and propaganda absurd and ridiculous as it is , they believe it , many actually worried and fearful . I could go on and on , just read a history book or two , compare and you will freak out . People better wake the hell up , but if they haven't done so by now ... how much hope is there ? I dread the day they get control and power again , they may never relinquish it .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
How right you are. The US is going down the road of totalitarianism. Scary things are happening all over the country. I fear for the entire world if the US does explode.
No more Godwin's law crap... and, um, papers please. Sieg H...
far left loon >.<
Don't believe for a moment you can define how loud or vigorously I or anybody protests.
Docile compliance is not always the best answer and your admonition to "cool it, peeps" is fucking offensive and ridiculous.
Looking at her picture.
She looks like she might be illegal.
Ohhhhh, that would have been nice. On the spot, as soon as she signed it.
"Prove you're a citizen!"
are un-American immigrants.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
And the darkness falls over Arizona and the nation.
I grew up on war movies and cold war movies where the bad guys (be them Gestapo or KGB agents) were always asking "Papers, please" of anyone they came across. For years I was taught that what was being done by these "agents" was wrong, because a free people don't need to have "papers" on them.
I also remember during former President Clinton's administrations how the right wing were claiming he was attempting to create a police state, with the U.N. in charge. Yet, we have rabid right wingers creating that police state.
Has the country I have loved gone completely bat shit crazy?
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Not completely. Give it time...
But I don't want to give it time. I want to stop the insanity.
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Has the country I have loved gone completely bat shit crazy?
I've been thinking that since 2000, but who the eff am I?
far left loon >.<
Arizona has been a Police State for decades. The various scams committed by Arizona cops are legendary in the Southwest. Recently my girlfriend, a black woman from Wisconsin who was returning home from Las Vegas after her school term at Le Cordon Bleu, was stopped and had her car impounded for three days until cops could "confirm" that her car's registration was valid. She had valid registration & all up to date stickers/plates. Just to make some money for the impound lot and the local motel (town population about 100) she was stuck in.
One of my favorite facts about Arizona concerns the publicly planted orange trees which line many streets, esp. in Phoenix. They are essentially & intentionally poisonous due to the extreme oil & acid contents of the fruits. They didn't want Okies or Meskins to be able to eat the fruit or drink the juice so millions of oranges drop into the streets & rot every year.
bill's critics. I was so disgusted I could have spit.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
May I see your walking papers?
Godwin's Law doesn't apply when it really is Nazi-style policy...
i contacted the chamber of commerce and the tourism bureau and let them know i have changed my travel plans to visit their beautiful state. they have such great parks... can we ask for those back?
Looks like the GOP has now decided to direct their anger at the Latinos.
election. At that time I said I hoped that our communities would abandon the GOP in an even bigger way, and now it looks like the GOP is hellbent or providing us every incentive not to vote for them.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Or never watched Lou Dobbs.
I don't want to sound too much like a conspiracy nut but, this is all part of the master plan put into place by our "betters". The economic elite, those billionaires who own everything, are always thinking of newer and more vile ways to keep the people's attention focused anywhere but on them. If too many people start looking at the fact that the elite own everything, have all the money and power in the world, yet want more and more, the super-rich will be in trouble from those that they've stepped on for decades.
The cold war, the war on drugs, the war on terror, now the war on gays and immigrants are all designed to focus attention on outside sources.
The elite own all the media, have the politicians under their control, make all the rules, have the police at their beck and call.
More importantly they control the creation of money. With that control they can choke off any form of uprising. They can and have engineered recessions and depressions. When the people are struggling to stay alive from one day the next they're not going to be united enough to make any sort of push-back against the economic elite.
We are in a war and we are losing. We are constantly being divided and forced to fight against ourselves instead of the real criminals.
Until the day that everyone wakes up and sees that the real enemy is the economic elite, we'll continue to be picked off, person by person. I don't see a day when we'll wake up to the real enemy though. We're through. We'll continue to have the jackboot of oppression pressed firmer and firmer against our throats.
Maybe Hispanic Americans can take bus tours to stroll Arizona hotspots--with packed lunches, of course, so they don't have to spend a dime in that awful awful place.
Arizona unless it's to help my extended family leave.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
The ID implant chip is next
If I end up in Arizona, what proof do they want that I'm a citizen? The bill says that they can contact the INS for confirmation. But since I was born in the U.S. would that agency have any record of me? And how long would it take? What it it's a federal holiday?
Apparently a birth certificate from another state isn't acceptable.
Either way, this is a serious question.
Not all immigrants are brown or black. This is a law that can be used against anybody, and the right-wing shitheads who run this state WILL use this law against students, activists, or anybody else who isn't a born-again white handjob. F U Jan Brewer.
CountDown: Olbermann talks with Rep Grijalva (D-AZ):
(begins with brief tribute to Dorothy Height who had just died)
Arizona Congressman Calls For Boycott Of ARIZONA!
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
I'm wondering how Puerto Ricans will be affected, since they are Hispanic/Latino, born US Citizens, and don't have alien registration cards.
They'll just have to learn to like Mexico, because I have no doubt that as far as these folks are concerned, all brown people are them damn pesky wetbacks.
... are just Mexicans with a speech impediment causing them to lisp, unless they speak in English.
The police or sheriff department that wrongly arrests someone who is an American citizen is going to get sued and lose. Mark my words.
who idolize Reagan for destroying the Soviet Union have managed to remake the US in its image.
I'm just boggled by the conservatives crowing about how great it is that everyone, including Americans, needs to carry papers that can be demanded by law enforcement at any time.
This is smaller governement? This is government leaving us alone?
How is it that "real Amurikins" willingly embrace the laws of the failed Communist state they claim to abhor?
4th Amendment, Arizona. Look it up.
Next thing you know the citizens in Arizona will be wearing brown shirts and jackboots . Hitler adopted the Swastika , I wonder what symbol the Repugs will come up with .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
anyone remember Bush's rush to get those WMD's?
The ones that never existed?
This smacks of the kind of affront to Federal Law engineered by the likes of Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus in 1957, when he called out the Arkansas National Guard to block black students attempting to register at previously all white public schools.
Eisenhower responded by federalizing the Arkansas National Guard, sending them back to their barracks, and calling out the 101st Airborne to protect the black students and enforce federal law.
Will Obama call out the troops to enforce federal law and put an end to Arizona's secessionist behavior?
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
We can only hope, mountainman23, after seeing the way this travesty of law developed, I mean, right after President Obama openly expressed his views on the subject they just had to against the grain, and, let us not forget that they have some kind of provision that smacks of birtherism, so hopefully He will take a very personal look into that kind of approach.
Exactly what is Arizona supposed to do, just sit by and allow the U.S. government to ignore its own laws? If these Mexicans weren't so contemptuous of U.S. immigration law, Arizona would have no reason to ask for anyone's ID.
Neither Great Britain nor any other member of the EU allows millions of people to just stroll into their country. Are those countries fascist too?
would employ them the problem would disappear, no?
I worked butchering turkeys for a summer when I was a teen in central MN and 90% of the workers at the plant were illegal. That was in the early '70s so it's been going on forever.
They should go after the employers too. If that happened, maybe profiling would be unnecessary.
You only need to go after the employers to stop the waves. Living in the US is expensive and no Mexican could do it without a job.
Right. I remember reading news stories about hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants leaving America when the recession was at its worst.
...my butt!, you're obviously oblivious to the implications of this kind of hackery, "these Mexicans" as you call them are not the only ones affected by that law, you can be, too, white and mighty as you wanna appear, one of these days you may find yourself wishing you hadn't spoken those words.
Do you have papers. This is nothing less than what the Nazi's did minus the gas chambers. People will be whispering. Telling on neighbors. This is what AZ has become. A Nazi state. I cry for this nation. This is the worse thing that has happened to this country since the Civil War. A very sad sad sad day in this country. This anger and hatred is because of Dick Army and his merry band of teabaggers. This is horrifying.
is intended to be a factual statement
The REAL problem is the the US Govt has not yet dealt with immigration.
For all that the Republicans claimed it as one of their defining issues in 2000, they held the presidency and both houses of congress for 6 years .. and did NOTHING about it.
Now the republicans in arizona have followed suit with this law.
It's not like they didn't have a chance to fix the problem before now.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
And, amazingly enough, none of the EU nations require people to produce papers to prove they AREN'T illegal. I don't know, could be something to do with the fact that most of those countries...ohh...let's see...FOUGHT FASCISM 70 YEARS AGO??? So they probably know what it is from experience, and don't want to return to that state?
But apparently some here in the US took the wrong lesson from that war...
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" - Red Green
Freedom Ain't Free - Pay Your Share
...because people without proper credentials never make it into those countries in the first place. Try getting into Great Britain without a passport. The authorities will detain you and send you on the next plane out of Heathrow.
Of course the U.S won't guard its borders because immigration is the engine that fuels corporations, and corporations control the U.S. government. The fact that the government is ignoring its own laws for the sake of business is the real indicator of fascism here, and it's ironic that all of you open borders people screaming about fascism are actually the ones supporting fascist policies.
There's a load of illegal immigrants in the UK. All over Europe.
eg: Illegal immigrants employed at UK Border Agency
Illegal Immigrant Kicked Out of UK is Back in a Day
Residents powerless to remove illegal immigrants from their gardens
Illegal immigrants: UK overview
The Fate of the Paperless
Judging by the intelligence you display through your comments, it's not surprising you don't know how to use Google
me-oww!
From the BBC News article you posted:
" An unknown number of people slip into the country and permanently evade detection - but experts guess that the figure is not large.
Don Flynn of the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants (JCWI) estimates that the figure is a "tiny fraction" of the number who apply for asylum - probably no more than 10,000 last year.
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(Referring to so-called overstayers) In 1999 it ruled on fewer than 17,000 cases. Of those, according to the Refugee Council, 54% were given permission to stay in the country."
Those yearly figures compare with ten thousand or more entering the U.S. EVERY DAY!!!
and I was refuting your point that they have NO PROBLEM. So what makes you you think I didn't read the links? Check the date on the Beeb article. It's 10 years old. Last year means 1999. Things have changed in 10 years. Fail again, fq.
And if you would do a size and population comparison--UK, about the size of Colorado. Population, between a quarter and the fifth of the US. Also, and ISLAND, bordered by countries which make up the UK. And they say they "guess."
You really have no cred. Quoting a number with nothing to back it up is meaningless here, since we've already seen how you make shit up.
me-oww!
...because people without proper credentials never make it into those countries in the first place.
You are joking right?
They do. And then there is the trick of entering on something valid then overstaying it, like tourist or student visas. Since the UK is islands, this is more common. But countries with more accessible land and sea borders have many illegals come in without temporary papers. Look up Malta and the African boat people for one example.
Another unqualified asshole who has never been discriminated against or racially profiled wasting everyone's time with your "the world according to me" dumbshit while hiding behind an obvious racist decision.
...but least it's putting some pressure on the federal government to stop the flood of illegals.
WTF do you mean by 'illegals?'
me-oww!
It's putting pressure on one segment of the population that has become unfairly tagged with the label "illegal."
If you truly believe that this is not an excuse for stopping people based on appearances, please explain to me what YOU think is probable cause to ask someone to prove that they're in this country legally?
I'm Italian. I'm got a fairly decent color to my skin and a scruffy beard and mustache. So if I was to travel through Arizona without a birth certificate or a passport I could jailed for not having either because law enforcement confused me for a Mexican?
is intended to be a factual statement
In theory, yes, that's what that sounds like, and let me tell you, just be disliked by a cop as it is now and see what happens, constitutional rights, you say?
This is a scary step into a Nazi state. We are regressing as a nation beyond belief.
Pssssttt, hey officer, I think Javier is illegal.
is intended to be a factual statement
The anonymous tip line will be full by morning.
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About them. Because it shouldn't be a cause for arrest to check you papers if you look and speak like a Latino, not even in AZ.
Would be nice if this link was in the original article. Disclosure: I am not connected with them at all.
Makes me wonder if any civil rights legislature was up for a vote, what would happen? Would the GOP filibuster it? In 09 I would say no, but today...
Of course, civil rights and the GOP are not traditionally linked, they all think of themselves as the great white fathers of the american people, (I'm not entirely sure all of them), so when it comes to rights, civil or otherwise, father knows best, dontcha know?
6 months in jail? Awesome. Those Mexicans will get a bed and a meal on the public dime without having to do anything.
Unlike Repubtards, Mexicans prefer to work.
...poor whites who will, of necessity, be scooped up to give the impression that "racial profiling" isn't really happening.
just tell them I'm Canadian, Swedish or French - or will they just take me to the nearest border and kick me in the ass on the way out?
O.k. I know I have very little to worry about - just saying.
Arizona has been a nice place to vacation in the past. They are crazy down there. They also changed the law about conceal carry, any one can have a gun. Call Arizona resorts and hotels and tell them that you will never visit.
The racist inbred Taserhappy cops are high fiving each other right now. Joe Arpaio is honing his bone so hard he's about to break the poor little thing. The whole state should call in sick because it is now "one sick state".
Does this seem a wee bit unconstitutional to anyone other than hydrocephalic headed Teascrotums?
During any Dem presidency there are the R's faithfully mouthing hate. During the Obama presidency the R's and their hate mongers have been coming up with garbage such as the "socialist", "communist", "fascist" and their absolute favorite (they are nuts) "nazi".
Well, they have now actually started emulating their favorite terror regime.
I am sick of the irrational rherotic coming from people against this law. Insanely comparing this to Nazis. I've been pulled over for safety roadblocks or having a broken tail light. I had to show a valid license, proof of inspection, car ownership and insurance. No big deal. Of course I have all those am legal and speak English. This talk of police randomly stopping people on the streets or pulling them over because they aren't white is stupid at best.
The fact the college grads are mowing lawns for the money negates the argument that American's won't do the job illegals do. When ICE raided a poultry plant hundreds of legal workers lined up the next day for the openings. And stop the stupidity of produce prices going through the roof. Farmers will have to pay more for legal workers but if they don't accept smaller profits they are faced with no profits if comsumers won't by their product.
Most cops in Arizona probably won't abuse this new law. But it takes only a handful, or three, or one corrupt cop who uses it to stop anyone who is not white. Mark my words, this will result in a law suit by a Mexican- or Arab-American who will be harrassed illegally by a cop or sheriff in Arizona.
The license, inspection and insurance are all proof of citizenship...NOT. And the fact that you 'qualify' your comment by saying "Of course I have all those am legal and speak English" means you know damn good and well that "police randomly stopping people on the streets or pulling them over because they aren't white" has happened, is happening and WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN with laws as badly-designed and worded as this one.
Because the police never abuse their power, and all good Americans have proof-of-citizenship on them at all times, right? Pull the other, it has got bells on.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" - Red Green
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I must agree with you.
I have to go with my wife to Phoenix for business in the next week or two, and she'll have to take her passport. After this ONE time I'll NEVER go back.
F.U. AZ I hope all your business drops into a black hole - and no more federal funds.
I will boycott their state and that includes not watching superbowl if it is in Arizona. Anyone happen to know what their chief export happens to be?
Republicans are liars and simply cannot be trusted.
Copper, cattle, cotton, citrus.
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Fear and loathing.
The Grand Canyon isn't going anywhere.
Boycott Arizona.
go stand out in front of these state senators houses and see cleans their houses and cuts their lawns and call it in.
Jan 'Agnes Skinner' Brewer has got to go.
What I don't get is how is this law going to be applied without infringing upon someone's rights? Are the right-wingers in Arizon aware that there are illegal immigrants who speak perfect English and (GASP!) look white? Are they aware there are American citizens who can't speak perfect Enlighs and are non-White? Do they know that not everybody carries their identification with them? What if an American citizen or national walks their dog around the block to do its business, will they be arrested if a cop stops them and they do not have their papers? Damn.
For enacting the most fascist law in America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MReV9dkAVhY
Now in the immortal words of Jon Stewart . . . "Go F*** Yourself"
Or, legal residency status.
The thing is, they are going to question American citizens, who are from Hispanic ancestry. Or, American Indian ancestry.Or Italian ancestry. Or Hawaiian ancestry. Or Eskimo ancestry. Or Any Central American country. Or any South American country. You know they'll go for anyone with African ancestry. Might as well just say the whole damn planet.
You know they'll have to select some Caucasian folks.Just to be fair and balanced .
So, basically, American citizens will have to be able to prove that they are American citizens. So, Americans will have to carry their passports ( or b-certs) at all times.
Correct me if I'm wrong here. But didn't a law pass back in the Reagan admin that made employers have to ask for proof of legal residency before hiring? And have to make a copy of said proof. And send it in somewhere?
Arizona just turned into crazy town.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I don't know, but proof of legal residency just requires a driver's license, piece of mail, or utility bill. Not a passport or birth certificate (remember, certificates of live birth do not count to right-wingers!).
For legal residency. You need a Green Card.
And I think they need to be renewed every ten years nowadays.
I don't think people need to provide a green card to get a drivers license. Mail? That's no biggie.
Birth certs? Yeah, well I suppose they'll need to be certified by the local RNC or GOp office.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Mail and utility bills don't do a thing to prove legal residency. Even people in the country illegally have utilities and get mail.
A driver's license also does not prove legal status - at best, it might prove that the person was legal at the time the license was issued. It's very easy to enter the country legally on a visa, get all the identification you want, then simply stay after your visa expires. (That is actually how the 9/11 hijackers did it, for those of you insisting that the 'illegals' are bad for national security.) And, of course, you'd have no way of knowing whether the state that issued the license requires documentation of immigration status before issuing a license in the first place.
I also notice no one seems to ever address the idea that not everyone drives. In fact, oddly enough, there are Hispanics that aren't old enough to drive. What are the odds that they're carrying a passport to prove their status?
Time for regime change in Arizona!
Send in the 101st Airborne Divison and (edited SM) those Arizona neo-Nazis.
I dunno about that.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
The Governor does not know. I know I will go out of my way to stay out of Arizona and I am not even hispanic. Arizona is off the deep end.
There was a Republican on Hardball last night who said you can tell if someone is illegal by their hair and what shoes they wear. heh
I have to anyway; the VA doctors tell me I have to avoid direct sunlight.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Imagine, at Jan Brewer's press conference, a reporter asked her "what does an illegal immigrant look like?" and the woman couldn't even answer the question with a straight face. She even had the audacity to suggest that it won't encourage racial or ethnic profiling, yet the procedures that the law enforcement officers must use can lead to same.
If Arizona could get away with this, bet you life other states will follow suit. The reality is that the Federal Government should address the issue, which it has failed to do for a long time. Arizona has now turned into a police state, and soon others will follow.
I hope Jan Brewer and her cronies are prepared for the backlash that this will cause. Not to mention, the barrage of lawsuits.
New Mexico here I come!
...it's time for a protest referendum.
Per AZ law, this law doesn't take effect for 90 days. As a result, Arizonans have the ability to collect enough petitions to send the law to the ballot for an "up or down" vote from the people. Honestly, I can't say I'm confident that the people will make the right decision, but at least there is some immediate recourse for opponents to the law prior to lawsuits and massive demonstrations. I would expect to see all three at once though to put pressure on the state. While it pains me to see people bad mouth my state and everything/everybody in it because of our radical fringe, I hope people really do boycott. Sure, we are economically devastated, budgets are a disaster and the poor and working class will suffer even more from the loss of business, but the more pressure, the better...
At the very least, I hope those who march and bring up lawsuits and circulate petitions remember: EL PUEBLO UNIDO JAMAS SERA VENCIDO!
She's going to deeply regret this. It's only a matter of time.
In the meantime, I will be staying out of this ignorant, backward, hateful state.
My apologies to the decent people in Arizona.
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I am a white guy, they would never ask me for proof of citizenship but I too will stay the fuck out of dip shit Arizona.
I guess it's true what they say about spending too much time in the sun.
Why do they call them rednecks?
Because of the sunburn. Their wizard and dragon robes don't fit properly.
This country is a very messed up place, and it's getting worse.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
I remember back in the 60's and 70', seeing movies about nazi Germany, where the SS Agents would go around asking to see everyone's "papers".
I can remember adults saying "aren't you glad you don't live in a country like that? You are very lucky to be in the U.S.A.
Wingnuts: Man, I really hate these people.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
I'm not sure I should respond to your post as I haven't seen your papers. Don't want to aid and abet any criminals. (snark)
far left loon >.<
A R I Z O N A
Has all the letters to spell NAZI. Coincidence? I think not.
far left loon >.<
How long did it take you to come up with that one?
A millisecond. How long did it take yout to read it? And, did you get my point? "Papers please," is NAZI enough for me.
far left loon >.<
That's true. It also has the letters to spell RAZA. See where we are going? Coincidence?
I'm about ready to retire. We have traveled to AZ many times looking for a home to purchase for our retirement. As of today, I will not be moving to that state.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. ~ Abraham Lincoln
to cross the border and verbally assault the first police officer I see. I'm from California and if my driver's license isn't good enough to prove my citizenship, then fucking arrest me and throw my ass in jail. I will hire flesh eating lawyers and sue the shit outta the entire state and retire on the proceeds.
I will never go to AZ again, and I encourage all people of any ethnicity to leave the state in droves. Watch their economy tank and we'll all say fuck 'em.
If all of the progressive people that have moved here over the years left, then this state would become even more radical and conservative than it already is. I can't leave, and I will continue to try to make this state a better place from the inside and from my votes.
You're from California? Doesn't your state have a few economy problems itself?
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
Maybe California wouldn't be in such bad shape if it didn't recieve less in Federal funds than it pays in taxes - for something like the past 50 years - to support red state leech states like Arizona.
I hope the Feds drop there assistance to AZ, let's see how self sufficient you are then.
I thought this battle was over and had been won. Apparently not.
Human rights advocates of CORE were murdered in Mississippi for daring to cross the Mason Dixon line and opposed idiocy. Would the reichwingnuts of Arizona be willing to murder naturally born US Latino citizens from California if they crossed the Colorado River? Perhaps thousands of Californians with passports need to organize marches in the evening in Arizona and show how racist this "law" is.
George Wallace, meet Jan Brewer, direct descendant of your clan of hatemongers.
Racial profiling, both. I wrote the following earlier today in denunciation of this deplorable act that Barack Obama has rightly condemned:
I used to rank Indiana as the lowliest state that has continually produced vacuous, bigoted, racist politicians (Burton, Quayle and such). But now Arizona has outranked Indiana with its deep-red racism, xenophobia, and right-wing zealotry of the worst kind.
This legislation parallels the dreaded "yellow stars" required by Jews to wear as identity in Nazi Germany. This is beyond reprehensible- it is inhuman and barbaric.
But then what do we expect from a state with a much-feted sheriff named Arpaio (of Maricopa County)- whose "strong-armed" barbarity against poor Hispanic people has been there for all to see.
Indeed, the overall vicious, right-wing shift of U.S. politics has been a continual revelation for the world to see (like the Emperor without clothes) in the past 10+ years.
....the federal government had only enforced its own immigration laws.
It's obvious the lack of enforcement is due to the influence of big business, and has nothing at all to do with the welfare of poor Mexicans. The federal government's contempt for immigration law is a worse precedent actually than racial profiling. It indicates that federal law is subordinate to business profits, and that being the case, why then can't the government just ignore the minimum wage or environmental regulations or any other law big business wants them to ignore?
n/t
I live in Germany. Here the police approach you any time they want and you have to produce your ID. Never happened to me, and if it does, then it's OK. I've seen them in action. German police is extremely polite. In the many years I've been here I've done a couple dumb things. You can run as many red stop lights as you wish. If you get into an accident. You might be ruined for life.
Or two weeks later you get a nice picture of yourself with a 300 Euros fine. Around $500. Enough to ruin you weekend. The few times I saw them checking ID's, they were very discreet. On the other hand, the individual being checked on, they usually look pretty bad. In France, the same procedure. The French police is a little bit more rough in their ways. But if you are cool, so they are. Once I run a stop light. Out the blue, they stop me three blocks later. They came to my window and requested driving papers. I gave him my NATO drivers license. He looked at me horrified and said: "Quelle un merde" "What kind of shit is this" I broke up laughing, and they started to laugh also. I explained to them. At the time they were not NATO members. They let me go.
This situation in Arizona is no good. If the police does not behave irrascibly and control the anger (there's a lots of it) things might turn good.. This was bound to happen years ago.
I've never had the (mis)fortune of encountering the French police, though I have encountered the German police (just in passing) and the Dutch police (I hit a parked taxi after a looooong, excessive night of drinking/etc. with fellow students from my Erasmus house).
In all cases, they all were extremely polite, I felt like they were actually civil SERVANTS (not pricks with badges like so many American cops) and even in the case of my drunken escapade on the bicycle (which only resulted in essentially a civil traffic ticket) I was amazed at how helpful the Dutch policemen were. I had only been living in the city for 1 week and was completely turned around after going to their station and honestly did not know how to get back to where I lived... so, they offered to give me a ride home. Yes, they went out of their way to make sure I was okay. Stop the presses... And, they were even kind enough to drop me off down the street so I didn't have to run the risk of one of my housemates seeing me coming home in a cop car... I doubt any of us can imagine an American cop doing the same...
Italian cops, however, are an entirely different matter. I think they would get along perfectly with American cops (what with their machismo and prickish attitudes). I don't know what it was, but it always seemed the farther North I was, the friendlier the cops were. The more south I went, the more arrogant and machismo they seemed...
Oh well, in any case, if our cops here were like Dutch or German cops, I might not mind them being able to ask for documentation as much. They aren't, though. They are assholes, they will abuse every opportunity they have, and they go out of the way to find you screwing up (and show no mercy). There are still a few good cops out there, but the majority are racists, fascists pigs who are probably drooling in expectation of all the "wetbacks" they'll be able to fuck with now that the state is expanding their jurisdiction into federal realms.
She can burn in hell! Everyone needs to mail her a copy of the 4th amendment along with a hand signal.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
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