Holy Joe still loves him some torture
Joe Lieberman told Greta Van Susteren yesterday on Fox that he thinks releasing the torture memos was a "bad idea" because it lets our enemies see too much.
Moreover, he's been busy watching "24", and he thinks waterboarding is just fine as an "enhanced interrogation technique":
Van Susteren: First of all, is waterboarding torture?
Lieberman: Well, I take a minority position on this. Most people think it's definitely torture. The truth is, it has mostly a psychological impact on people. It's a terrible thing to do. I've said in the past, and I'll say it again to you -- that I want the President of the United States, in a given circumstance where we believe somebody we've got in our control may have information that will help us stop an attack, an imminent attack on the United States like 9/11 or, God forbid, worse, we ought to be able to use something like waterboarding. But generally speaking it ought not to be on the table.
Incidentally, I believe General Hayden when he says that not just waterboarding, which he stopped, as I understand it, but a number of the other items on that list that has been published, really did work -- did help to give us a lot of the information that we have about Al Qaeda.
Regarding whether waterboarding is simply a "psychological effect", the reality is that while waterboarding can be performed in ways that do not cause lasting physical damage, it often is not. And when it is not, not only causes extreme pain, damage to the lungs, brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation, and injuries (including broken bones) due to struggling against restraints, it can also cause death.
Recall the actual facts of what happens during waterboarding, as Human Rights Watch has explained:
Waterboarding is torture. It causes severe physical suffering in the form of reflexive choking, gagging, and the feeling of suffocation. It may cause severe pain in some cases. If uninterrupted, waterboarding will cause death by suffocation. It is also foreseeable that waterboarding, by producing an experience of drowning, will cause severe mental pain and suffering. The technique is a form of mock execution by suffocation with water. The process incapacitates the victim from drawing breath, and causes panic, distress, and terror of imminent death. Many victims of waterboarding suffer prolonged mental harm for years and even decades afterward.
As for the efficacy of the torture -- a proposition that is dubious at best -- the question always is: At what cost? Is it worth it to get that data at the price of becoming the world's greatest monster?
As the late Joan Fitzpatrick put it:
The prohibition on torture is a peremptory norm of customary international law binding on all nations. The torturer is the enemy of all mankind.
And it will always be so. No matter how much fearful little worms like Joe Lieberman want you to forget it.
And ask him afterward how it feels...
but I'll make an exception in Joe's case.
Listening to Joe the Loser talk to Greta Von Facelift is torture enough for me...
The man's a senator. Can't he check into Walter Reed or someplace and get those adenoids fixed?
I agree. There is no reason to waste money on tables in those cells.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
It reminds me anew of how much I despise this oily, doughy, unctuous, sanctimonious Likud Keebler Elf.
YOU undergo some waterboarding, Holy Joe. Then get back to us.
BID (a former scuba diver who can attest at how water going where it ain't supposed to is quite terrifying)
...Lieberquisling.
What a loathsome, sleazy and smarmy POS he is.
Remember when Greta was a credible lawyer and reliable comentator? Before she whored herself out to Fox?
How much does it cost, a soul?
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
no, I do not remember her as a credible lawyer and reliable comentator.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
When the O.J. verdict was announced she supported it...strictly from a rule of law point of view. I'm sure like us all she knew that dope was dead guilty, and supporting the decision was career threatening, however she stood up against potential anarchy...she showed real balls back then. I think she was slightly lobotomized during one of her facelifts.
and I just remember the kid who lived out back. I really don't remember the threat of anarchy keeping me from strolling the little crumb grabber down the angry streets.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
It takes a very special type of derangement to even try to justify torture.
am i remembering incorrectly: i thought when all this torture stuff started (when the idjit was still in the WB) that they CAN "torture" if there is a true imminent threat. wasn't that the argument AGAINST the waterboarding of run-of-the-mill terrorist suspects?
...as the Chairman of passing out paper towels and mints to give an opinion.
God forbid, worse, we ought to be able to use something like waterboarding. But generally speaking it ought not to be on the table.
Senator, if it ought not to be on the table, then you just never put it on the table.
We should never use it, except when we have to. Is that about it?
I guess he means something like torture shouldn't be used when we're merely curious whether a poker opponent bluffed on that last hand he won..?
Few moral issues are as cut and dried as this one. After WWII, we prosecuted a Japanese officer and sentenced him to 15 years hard labor FOR EXACTLY THIS KIND OF TORTURE!!! And remember, this was a "real" war, declared by Congress, fought against a nation state that was notorious for its heinous acts in Nanking & the Phillipines.
Have we become so afraid of terrorists that we have ceded the high moral ground to the Nazis & Japanese of that time?
By Joe's standard -- believing you can get information to stop an eminent attack -- anything goes. Thumbscrews, the rack, hot irons, electroshock, grinding the testicles, anything. If the determiner is, as Joe suggests, that the need to know is essential, then any torture is acceptable. The truth is, a nation either accepts torture or it doesn't. And we don't.
You forgot the orifice that holds the holy grail.
The torturer or the enabler-defender of torture? I think the enabler, for the torturer himself would not act without their help and approval.
Lieberman, Cheney, any people who defends or excuses torture are vile.
...start a recall effort on this asshole? He is now officially a Repuglicant based on being interviewed on Faux News. I hope those who voted for this idiot are pleased with their choice.
In Connecticut.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
and FOX loves him.
The one prisoner was tor..., er, waterboarded 183 times in one month. That's over 6 times a day. Tell me again, who are the good guys?
Maybe we waterboarded him 180 time in a single week (let's say 30 times a day for 6 days, and then, because the Sabbath is holy (for us, I mean, not those infidels that we have a right to torture), we gave him a whole day off for that week, and then the other 3 weeks of the month, we only waterboarded him a single, solitary time each week.
See what nice guys we are? When you say "183 times in one month", that sounds so harsh, and so cruel. But once we put it into context, and show how we did practically nothing to the guy for three whole weeks out of the month, well, that just shows we're a lot nicer to terrorists than it might come off on first blush.
Right?
"I believe General Hayden when he says that not just waterboarding, which he stopped, as I understand it, but a number of the other items on that list that has been published, really did work -- "
While us libs have been whining about waterboarding it is high time somebody stood up for walling.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
With or without a neck brace?
Using the context of his remarks I would guess either way.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
And face grabbing!
Teabagging!
Is there something strange about Joe's belief that torturing detainees (including innocent ones) is okay? Shouldn't he be a leading defender of human rights and the dignity of each and every person?
He's picturing Greta in skin-tight black vinyl and thigh boots even as we speak.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
but I doubt you could get vinyl and thigh to meld well enough to get a lasting pair of boots. Calf and vinyl would be better.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Torture does not work. If it worked, we wouldn't have had to waterboard the two terrorists more than 250 times total. I've read at least two op-eds from interrogators who said FRIENDLY treatment works better. And it just inflames the terrorists, making torture a means of recruiting more terrorists. If we prosecuted the Japanese for waterboarding during WWII, what makes it so legal now? No Bushie seems to answer that question.
No reporter has the guts to bring that fact up when they are talking to a torture supporter.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Joe says waterboarding "has mostly a psychological impact on people". I guess "real torture" just doesn't pack that same psychological punch.
Every time the subject of torture is debated in our country I step back and try to recognize what country we are talking about. As Peabody said in an above comment. There are no grounds for debate, this is the very act we have prosecuted others for and sent them to prison. If it was torture then, nothing has changed to make it questionable as torture now.
The only ones trying to defend it are supporters of bush and he placed them in a position to do his dirty work for him. Why, if they too call themselves Americans, would they publicly defend such a heinous act. Are they that cowardly?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
another f*cking 24 fan.
We have people serving in the US senate who cannot differentiate between fictional tv and reality? That's pathetic and frightening.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Joe likes America's Biggest Loser also.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
it is certainly true !joe does like americas biggest loser, hes been gushing all over tv about obama and how he loves his sucking up to the israel crowd, to the tune of 50.billion of tax payer bucks a year , and his declaration that americas troops are at the isralies disposal if iran calls them bad names, i wouldnt be surprised to see liberdouch and another obama convert pat robertson kissing obama at the state of the union address when its next on tv! jesus im going to tape that for sure,
Given the way the government rounded up hundreds of people and held them incommunicado after 9/11, I would be very worried about writing a blank check like this. When the federal government takes action, particularly in anything where the word "security" is used, they have a marked tendency to overreact.
Maybe someone could anonymously write DHS and finger Lieberman as the ringleader of a plot to assassinate Obama. Then, under the threat of an imminent attempt to decapitate the government, the federal government could waterboard Lieberman until he confessed. Actually he would probably confess if confronted with a water pistol ;-)
Bush, Lieberman and others of their ilk are pretty brave as long as the abuse and sacrifice is born by others.
Joe can be pretty cocky himself confronting a hooded,ear-muffed ,shackled prisoner in solitary, let me tell ya all.
Just like the good Republican drone that he is....
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
hadn't brought him back out sooner.
I wonder if Obama's had any second thoughts about pulling Lieberman's fat out of the fire immediately post-election. Anyone else notice that, while discussing torture, Fox chooses to use footage of detainees playing soccer and being served on trays by marines?
head?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
i can't tell the difference anymore.
please.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I want to see Lieberman's position on waterboarding reivewed after his wife, children, and grandchildren are waterboarded while he is forced to watch. It should also be televised on every available news station.
is bought and sold by the rightwing nutjobs.
I just wish someone would ask these psychopaths who believe in torture "..so you encourage and advocate that people engage in illegal activities?"
D in front of this assholes name. hey Jo 2010 you can say good-by, don't let the door hit you in your ass on the way out....
he considers himself to be an "I", but he's always been an "R".
As an "Independent Democrat". I lost it.
woodguy
But the Dems let him caucus with them anyhow. And he was able to retain his Chairmanship of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security.
After he worked his ass off to defeat Obama and put McShame and S. Barracuda in the White House.
Something stinks here if you ask me. And I think it's the power of AIPAC.
Look what just broke on AIPAC and the Harman Spy Meshuginas:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
joe held his position, because the dems want a filibuster proof majority
stop with the "jews control the world" bs
oh, and the harman thing occured because bush wanted her vote in congress
and she should be prosecuted if there is enough evidence to do so
Wasn't Hitler worried that the Jews were a ticking time bomb that he had no choice but to defuse with his own methods? And surely those methods were necessary in Hitler's eyes to protect his people, right, Joe? Surely we can all accept that morality and ethics and human rights go right out the window when it comes to protecting our physical bodies and private property, right?
Joe apparently believes that America is free to discard its values for the sake of protecting itself. What he doesn't seem to realize (or care about) is that, if America discards its values, THERE IS NO LONGER ANY AMERICA TO DEFEND.
America is no longer defined by values, but rather, by our corporate profit margins.
and nowhere does it use "America" as a definition, although "corporate profit margins" is listed.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
look at gas, from $1.39 to $2.00. shit they not make there 11 billion in the first qurter this year. Now we will hear how they lost 3 or 4 billion dollars from the first 3 months of last year profits. We need OIL to get regulated like it was in the 60's.
by OPEC. Haven't you noticed the preponderance of Saudi kissing?
I believe that is the word you want. If you are referring to the practice of Presidential lips on Wahabi royal behinds, that is.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I stand, err . . make that kneel, corrected.
we won't cut them off.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
" In order to save the village, we had to destroy it "
borders on torture.
to no first hand experience from his buddy McCain
Reality has a liberal bias
Based on the Bush admins definition of torture, unless the North Vietnamese interogators were trying to hurt John, then he wasn't tortured. How could we ever know what they were thinking? John McCain was not tortured, it was just a little exersize not any different than college hazing. This is a fact, according to Bush, so quit making shit up by saying McCain was tortured.....
It was just some teabaggin'!
Has Faux News mentioned that tiny fact yet?
and he waffled on gitmo
I don't think anyone who would allow themself to be talked into picking Sarah Palin as a United States vice presidential candidate would stand up very well to torture.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
will get to meet his Hero, drugie limbaugh or is it the prity boy handidie.
we should waterboard(interrogate) people who think waterboarding is good until they admit it is bad.
or pressure. He did it in a single paragraph above.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Joe checks the prevailing winds every three seconds and his most current opinion depends on those winds.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
prevailing winds = AIPAC ??
Joe gets his calls direct from the PM's office.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Ya'll better watch what you're saying.
Uncle Joe Mccarthy already said, "Enough!!!! about AIPAC and Holy Joe!"
Okay, well, just one more linky about the power of AIPAC in D.C.:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/AIP...
I have zero doubt that AIPAC controls Holy Joe's strings. ZERO.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
I'm totally dead sure LIEberman is an AIPAC shill, nothing more. He and the war-criminal, Kissenger, the real power behind the throne............that BLOODYISRAEL, the weak, little, 'harmless'own using our tax $$$$
No, I think it's whatever is best for Joe and his career. If he couldn't win his last term as a democrat, he switched to an independent and the republicans voted him in. He's a political whore.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
and yet, not be torture?
and if the memos present evidence of a crime, why isnt it a good thing that they were released?
btw joe....the waterboarding took place over a month long period
how in the hell was anything "iminent"???
god...i hate this guy
you and me both political whore & a moron & the way he talks for the life of cannot see what anybody sees in him
Jon Stewart did the best impersonation of Lieberman ever when he spoke in Joe's voice about a particular jet being taken off the defense department's budget. I laughed till I cried.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
if you read through the comments, you will see the numerous ones which state that joe works for israel and aipac
yet, how does america being lessened in the eyes of the world, and losing its moral status improve the situation for israel?
it doesnt
in fact, everything that joe stands for has hurt israel
and that includes the war in iraq
for as long as sadaam stayed in power, iran had lots more things to worry about than israel
no...joe cares about himself
he knows his time with having any power in the dem party is at an end, so he is positioning himself for a move to what he really always has been...a filthy repug puppet
I wonder why the propaganda piece wasn't done in a cell, or at least a prison setting? Perhaps by the pool?
SO FUCK YOU JOE.
THIS WEINIE IS NOTHING MOTER THAN A FUCKING JOKE ANYMORE. HE IS AS IRREVELANT AS BUSH AND CHENEY.
Since Joe is among those whose view of reality is filtered through "24", I'd remind them that the current story line has a Blackwater-style corporation trying to overthrow the government, with among its employees a large number of veterans. Oops....
Yes, the Spanish Inquisition used waterboarding. I am sure their forced confessions support Van Susteren's statement that "it really did work". Why don't they just admit that technique has been favored because, unlike most other torture techniques, it produces no marks on the body? The person believes they are being killed, and as such, it really amounts to a mock execution, which is illegal under international law.
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...and anathema to what the United States is supposed to stand for.
If we feel that torture is the only way to defeat al Qaeda, they have already won because they have made us like them.
The truth of the matter is that conservatives are generally intellectually suspect - the use of torture is just more proof that they try simple answers to complex problems and claim success based on a piece of B fiction.
This the problem with these duel citizens.
They cherry pick from menu a & b never but the humanitarian parts just the greedy self serving parts.
And the pig never knows he's covered in shit rather they revile in it.
Joe hates American Law and America in general. Traitor.
This double dealing fart in the wind needs to be water boarded right to the point of drowning a few times and then see how enthusiastic he is about it . He's an anti American gutless coward who should be deported .The fact that torture is even being debated in this country makes me sick and it's almost all due to the right wing cowards and psychos , truly they are nothing less than saboteurs and traitors .
We all knew torture was going on. It was not a secret. You had to be either a kool-aid drinking right wing idiot, or living in same cave to not know torture has been going on since 9/11. Leb-man is a fool.
Of listnening to these spineless idiots split hairs over what constitutes torture and what doesn't.Lets get ALL of them in a room and waterboard every last one of them and then ask them if they think it's torture. Enough already!!
Dear Connecticut,
Why is this man still in office? I'm truly curious.
But I draw the line at violent video games!
... the means in the land of the war hawk. Funny, I wonder if Lieberman believes that Hitler & the Nazis were justifiable because after all, the Jews ended up with Israel and he is now a US Senator. Don't EVER think something horrific and illegal is justifiable in such a way!
wonder how LIEberman would feel
with a couple of electrodes hooked
up to his nuts...as old as he is he
probably would like it.
Lieberman belongs to the gop extremists
in this country who would be better called
the American taliban.....
You really think this creature has balls??
If it were Israelis, or Jews, the coalition was torturing, he'd probably have a different opinion. But, from Israel's favorite foreign agent, this is typical.
Ever wonder just who was all involved in instructing the people that were torturing the prisoners.. They certainly have plenty of power to control our president and democrats into not pursuing the crimes of this administration..
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This the problem with these duel citizens.
They cherry pick from menu a & b never but the humanitarian parts just the greedy self serving parts.
And the pig never knows he's covered in shit rather they revile in it.
Joe hates American Law and America in general. Traitor.
Joe Thought it was a bad idea to join the service and be shipped overseas also,,, just like Rush , Rove , Ashcroft , Cheney and Bush...
And the whole Bunch of republicans which wanted to sent our soldiers to Iraq to steal the oil , revenge for Bush's dad and Israel's wants
Mitch McConnell Trent Lott, - Jon Kyl, R-AZ - John Boehner, - Roy Blunt, - Rudy Giuliani - Mitt Romney - Dennis Hastert -, Tom Delay - Bill Frist - Rick Santorum, ,,, But did not wish to serve themselves..
But that does not stop him or them from wanting and sending others to go for their BS..
It is one thing to talk the talk but when it gets to walk the walk they have fail.
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I saw an interesting article in the New York Times a few days ago. I forget who wrote it or where it came from, but one statement caught my attention. The article pointed out that the people who do the torturing often suffer psychological problems because they see the very depths of human degradation.
I think this is another good reason we should not torture. I am quite certain that these people who torture likely are negatively affected, unless they are sadists.....and that's not a good thing, either.
Seriously.
Can someone get me a holocaust victim to explain to this jerk how psychological torture is just as bad as physical torture if not worse, because you never see the wounds, but they're always there for the rest of your life?
I think it's a shame that the Jewish tradition doesn't have the Catholic equivalent of ex-communication within it's dogma, because I think considering the tragedy in their history, any Jew speaking up in favor of torture even tangentially ought to be summarily bounced right out of the faith.
Liebermush is an absolute disgrace.
Those who say waterboarding is not torture are also saying they don't mind our own troops being waterboarded and that America falsely convicted Japanese military leaders for torture, including waterboarding, conducted during WWll.
Then see if he thinks it's torture or not.
Why didn't they dump him?!?
NOBODY 2012
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I bet Joe thinks McCain is a coward, then...
... NO?
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Feed Americans.
Joe has got to be the most rarest case of,
"Droopy Dog Bi-Polarism".
Thanks for your Fascist update when we need more from the Clueless
Cheney Faction we will know what Rock to look under.
If the US were facing an "imminent attack" and they used waterboardingand/or other torture to try to gain intel then we're fucked because they are NOT going to get good intel that way. That's the truth and always has been the truth. And that's why torture is illegal because it endangers the nation!
What Droopy Joe doesn't seem to realize is he's STILL blindly kissing the wrong asses. He needs to get his eyes checked, I'm beginning to believe he's actually Mr. Magoo.
Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years
Should be ashamed. Let's hope they bring his ass home soon.
Imagine, this asschunk could be the Prez right now if the shrub plays fair and loses to Gore.
We wouldn't be in Iraq but we would be in Iran.
Joe Lieberman
On MSNBC May 14 2009
Responding to Torture inquiries.
Mr Lieberman thinks that we should “move on” and not waste our precious time looking into who knew what about torture. He believes that there is nothing to gain and that looking at this information is “interesting” but, again as he says, a “waste of time”.
Funny how when I commit a crime or people I know comint crimes, I don’t here any one saying, well lets let by -gones be by-gones, I can forgive and forget, how about you ? What about all the people in jail doing time right now?
If we can give Dick Cheney a pass, why not all the other millions of people locked up in US jails? How about all those pending cases against “Joe Citizen” ? Is a waste of time to proceed with investigations and possible criminal charges? According to Joe Lieberman it is. Or, does Joe mean, only for the political elite ? Of course he means only for the political elite. The rest of us should take our past indiscretions and any up comings we have for them and do our time and pay our fines with out argument or protest.
Joe Lieberman is exactly what is wrong with politics today .
Hey, Joe did you have any money invested with Madoff? Hey, lets let hm walk too., it looks like he and his family siphoned off billions and he needs to go spend that money to keep the economy moving.
How about senators who solicit for sex in public bathrooms? Yes, they should be let off the hook too, but if its Joe Citizen, well he needs to go to jail , pay fines, and take a bunch of classes so we can tell him what’s wrong with him and how better to conform to societies laws. No, don’t look at your Senator for an ethical or legal example, this is a “Do as I say, not as I do” government. Only small people should be held accountable for their crimes.
Joe also says he wants a” more reasonable stance in Iraq”, that according to him, is what we should be spending our time on. Hey, Joe, Americans want completely out of Iraq or didn’t you get the memo? That’s right, you were the one guy calling for more money, troops, and bombs for Iraq during the Bush administration.
Correct me if I am wrong, but don’t high crimes and misdemeanors by our political elite cause more damage to this country and waste more time and money than the average Joe Citizen crime ?
Dick Cheney’s crimes have costs thousands of American their lives, tens of thousands of innocent foreign civilian lives, billions of dollars, and a rankly smelling U.S. reputation with the rest of the world.
Joe, would it be too much to appoint a special prosecutor or a committee to look into these crimes? Or can’t you chew gum and walk at the same time ?
Joe, who speaks for the dead military personnel who were sent to their deaths under false pretenses? I guess its easy to forget about them, I mean , their dead...its not like they can speak out and express their displeasure.
Dick Cheney says that he did not order torture and that no one from the US performed torture. No one believes this but him. Dick Cheney’s office gave up 2 covert intelligence agents as a political attack against the Wilsons. His agent, Scooter Libby, got indicted, found guilty, and then was given no jail time but he did loose his right to practice law. Scooter Libby acted on be half of Dick Cheney in committing a treasonous crime against America.
Dick Cheney shot a man in the face while hunting. Dick Cheney was drunk and refused to take a sobriety test. Would you or I get a way with that ?
Dick Cheney got no bid contracts for Haliburton and a number of other Iraq contractors which have greatly financially benefitted himself and his friends. Then, these companies set up off shore tax havens to avoid paying taxes on their profits which were a direct result of money paid from the tax coffers.
So average Joe, should pay taxes, have Dick Cheney un fairly compete for government work and take Joe Citizens tax money, and then when he has profits in hand he should move his business off shore so he doesn’t have to pay taxes ? Dick Cheney helped drive this country from a surplus into a huge deficit.
Dick Cheney is not acting on be- half of America. He claims to act on be- half of America in order to profit, this is another crime, war profiteering.
Failure to investigate and hold Dick Cheney accountable is failure to protect our Constitution. Protecting our Constitution is every elected officials number one obligation.
If Joe Lieberman does not want to protect our constitution then he can resign.
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