Jogging Bernie Goldberg's memory: 'Who exactly at Fox News is inciting a rebellion against the government?'
By David Neiwert Tuesday Oct 27, 2009 10:00am
Bill O'Reilly is still all worked up about the White House's "war" on Fox -- which, actually, he says he hopes end soon. Yeah, I'll bet he does. I'll bet a lot of people at Fox are not happy that we are having this national conversation right now and kicking over all kinds of rocks.
You never know what turns up when you start looking at Fox's record, do you?
What angered O'Reilly was Joe Klein's recent column in Time, which really was a classic piece of Village excrement (a la Sally Quinn) about how silly the Obama White House is to stand up to Fox. Along the way, of course, he offends O'Reilly by writing this:
Let me be precise here: Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders on sedition. Much of it is flat out untrue.
But I don't understand why the White House would give such poisonous helium balloons as Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity the opportunity for still greater spasms of self-inflation by declaring war on Fox.
If the problem is that stories bloated far beyond their actual importance--ACORN's corruption, Van Jones's radical past--are in danger of leaching out of the Fox hothouse into the general media, then perhaps the Administration should be a bit more diligent about whom it hires and whom it funds.
If the problem is broader--that Fox News spreads seditious lies to its demographic sliver of an audience--the Administration should probably be stoic: the wingnuts will always be with us. The best antidote to their garbage is elegant, intelligent governance. The next-best antidote is occasional engagement: I thought Obama came away from his O'Reilly and Chris Wallace interviews much the better for it. (Though you don't want to sit down with a thug like Hannity or a weirdo like Beck.)
Now, understand: The Fox-bashing here is simply classic Villager ass-covering, so that Joe Klein can go back later and say, "See? Both sides are mad at me. I must be right!"
Nonetheless, it outrages O'Reilly, who not only devotes a whole Talking Points Memo to "refuting" the Klein column with an even larger dose of flatulence, but then brings on Bernard Goldberg to chew it over some more:
Goldberg: But when you start throwing words around like sedition. I mean, who exactly at Fox News is inciting a rebellion against the government?
Not that we're much interested in defending Joe Klein, but this was too silly not to take note. So we've provided Bernie with some handy reminders just who at Fox News has indeed been inciting rebellion against the government -- some of it by outright, straight-on incitement (see the tea parties for more of this), and some by fear-mongering. Enjoy.
UPDATE: I remembered this morning that, while not on Fox, Rush Limbaugh has touted the idea of a military coup against Obama.
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Maybe a meme would help.
Can we can we get more posts on issues of substance here and less about the crap at Fox noise?
Just asking…
Or at least show the video where Bill O'Reilly was spawned from the anus of Bernie Goldberg.
That is precisely the CRAP I don't want to see.
... before realizing journalism was dead. Syndicated tabloid shows like "Inside Edition" and "A Current Affair" were polluting the airwaves, most often as a lead-in or follow-up from the evening news.
I've loathed these shows since they first appeared about a decade ago. If there's anything that interests me less than what overpaid and over-hyped celebrities are doing, reported by talentless porn rejects, I have yet to find it.
And now HLN runs "Showbits Tonight" or one of them now. The news circle is complete.
And I too hated them from the start.
While hardly in this category, I just caught a clip of her with Joe the Dumber from yesterday. He was complaining about "Freddie May and Fannie Mac"...
teh ghoulter....and it seemed they agreeing on a point about the bailouts...
I couldn't take more than a few seconds of seeing teh ghoulter laughin, and brayin like mule...it was awful...
I want to see guests like coulter and the Dumber walking off in tears, not giggles.
Isn't this where O'Reilly got his start?
Not sure which. I've never watched a complete 30 minute episode of any.
They are the largest and most powerful propaganda network in America. Paying dutiful, critical attention to them is not fun, but necessary.
Being aware of the fallacies of the corporate media is not something that should apply exclusively to FOX News, either.
just about ALL they can talk about these days is the amount of effort and time Obama is putting in against poor Fux, at the exclusion of all else.
Project much, asshats?
This way they don't have to talk about Medical reform
Or what the next step is in Afghanistan.
It's great how Faux Noise has been shown for the pile of smelly Reslug shit it is. Now they are just crying and whining, as usual.
Feigning ignorance sure comes easy for this guy!
You can inherit stupidity from your children.
...listen that his dick is big. Obama doesn't owe Fox jack shit.
You don't have to have A.D.D. to work for (or watch) Fox News, but it certainly helps.
Hmmm.
--150 Iraqis killed in two car bombings.
--Healthcare debate not news? Then shut up and go away.
--What about Bill Sparkman??
Of course I could go on...
Keep smoking that crack and drinking that Kool-Aid, you piece of shit.
and MSNBC keep calling out FOX on every single lie and distortion no matter how high their ratings go. I'm sure FOX also has a high liberal viewership because of this conflict. I see nothing wrong with that. All moderates, Independents, and liberals have to do is just compare the transparent lies of FOX with real news. Yes, FOX will always have its loyal fringe extremists lapping up Beck & Hannity drool, but the average American voter is centrist and moderate leaning leftward. It shows in all the polls, while the GOP is in a civil war with their whacko far-right base while FOX continues to panders to these fringe elements.
I personally am loving what I'm seeing. The White House is doing exactly what they should do. It is also helping the dems politically. We all need a little Grayson in all of us!
... the White House *shouldn't* be doing this. It's not their job to think for us.
does pointing out that Fox is unethical, unprofessional and full of lies "thinking for us"?
And since when does Fox's audience "think"?
... educated consumers, capable of critical thinking, are able to discern that FOX News is a cesspool without hand-holding from Obama.
This is part of the problem of contemporary media - it's become an excuse for not thinking. And now, here's [name], our political analyst to tell us what it all means. And now, here to put it all in perspective is [name]. And so on.
OPINION used to be carefully, specifically labelled as such and set aside for matters of grave import. Now, it's the bulk of programming on venues such as CNN, CNBC, and FOX.
I still don't get how the White House pointing out the lies being told about itself to be "thinking for us". I don't mind "editorials" and "commentary" are such, as long as it's labeled as such and not as "news". That used to be a standard. Bring that the US has a fairly ignorant population, I don't think having lies pointed out to be thinking for me. If it was Air America telling lies about Bush, I would not condemn the Bush asswipes pointing out any untruths.
No one can think for anyone else, unless someone in the equation is weak minded. Which pretty much sums up the majority, if not all, of Fox viewers.
Propaganda repeated often enough is indistinguishable from the truth.
I refer you again to the majority of the Fox viewers. I think that thinking gives many people headaches.
most of the other news programs followed Fox's lead therefore causing even more brainwashing. People believed it all because it was being repeated on all major news sources.
This sort of thing goes all the way back to when Kerry was running for President and all the cable channels played the swift boat ads against Kerry over and over for free as they talked about the ads.
And Kerry did not react. See what that got him (Understood that he was a weak (wimp) candidate). I think that this shows that the Obama white House needs to react. And we, the left and the left wing blogs, at least, need to keep up the attack. I think with the internet tubes things are way different than they were 20 years ago. The old rules have changed. People are more informed (The people who want to be and because of that the ignorant ones get pulled along in the slip stream.). In the past if the administration ignored a Fox "News" things would be much quieter than they are now if the administration ignored them. Cable TV and the Internets have changed the game and we are still learning how to react because of it.
That's what the White House is doing. I certainly appreciate the effort, but these are the kinds of things my parents would have given me a rap on the back of my head and told me to THINK FOR MYSELF about.
And all of the 'expert opinion' crap IS in the news. Oh, look, it's Bouncing Boy from Politico. It's our foreign policy EXPERT, our political ANALYST.
He's just saying it same as every other intelligent person is! Is it not alright with you for the President of the United States to have an opinion or what?
Obama should pretend he's not an educated consumer and not speak the truth about FOX?
The republicans decided to adopt fox back during the bush days and now their little adoptee is turning out to be a totally crazy brat. I'm guessing there are some republicans who would very much like to cut all ties with fox and get away from their craziness.
... they brought home a pet squirrel and discovered to their chagrin that it's rabid.
Make that pet a ferret and you're on to something...
and nuts.
... my post got deleted by way of advocating violence.
They thought you were talking about Rin Tin Tin.
Wrong dog.
Faux Spews is the news?
I guess the real end of FNS will be with a whine not a whimper. . .
Another whiny article from pathetico to make your head explode:
GOP: Where's the outrage over Obama?
"pathetico"
Excellent name - it made me chuckle!
I thought Pathetico, er Politico was a good blog.
Roger Simon
"Simon himself experienced a political transformation in which he felt alienated from what he saw as the excesses of the Left after the realities of the September 11, 2001 attacks affected him. He jokes, "I may be the first American writer who was profiled both by Mother Jones and National Review." He supports both same-gender marriage and the War on Terror, and contends that those issues are linked.[2]
Simon also edits a weblog. In 2005 Simon founded, with bass-player Charles Johnson, webmaster of the Little Green Footballs weblog, a startup company called Pajamas Media. Pajamas Media expanded in 2008 into Internet television with Pajamas TV.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_L._Simon
And of course this:
Roger Simon smears Rep. Alan Grayson
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/roger-si...
(he shouldn't even think of messin' with Grayson)
Pathetico is almost cconsistently right-whine...I don't think so.
Maybe it wasn't clear that was what was being served, but I remember eating it and getting accused of panty waisted behavior. Where did I find that recipe.....
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/dems-w...
Fine, we all know FOX is a pile of steaming crap, but what can be done about it? How do you go about putting a stop to it?
We went after Queen Beck and he's still spewing his shit. We've gone after Bill'O before and he's still spewing his as well. How do we shut them up? I'm tired of talking about how bad they are without talking about how to stop them. If you knew that your neighbor was poisoning you, would you allow him to continue? FOX News poisons people every day IMO.
Boycott all sponsors associated with his businesses. I'll start the count. HULU is partially owned by Murdoch. NY Post, WSJ, both Murdoch. All Fox stations, Murdoch.
and its simple, heres the recipe, pass it on:
http://www.cjr.org/resources/?c=newscorp
Good cite.
FOX cannot claim any credibility.
They can and do claim incredulity.
Or edibility.
I have an edible complex.
Then so's your mudder!
"So we've provided Bernie with some handy reminders just who at Fox News has indeed been inciting rebellion against the government"
Did you send him an email? Is there a link somewhere that I missed? Or do you just mean the ongoing content on this site? I'm just curious to see the (myriad) examples...
Watch the video.
The Sedition Suite
Thanks!
The white house called fox out for what it is and now the foxes and foxettes are so busy denying what they do and have done, they don't have time to get into any more mischief. Kind of like giving a bratty kid a puzzle to work with to keep them busy and out of the adults' hair.
is hearing the Nutjob in Chief, Glenn Beck, warning his sheep about "nutjobs coming out of the woodwork." LOL!
Beck:
See they're coming from your teevee moshine!
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/beck-...
Why is the Obama White House calling out Fox News?
1) Reverend Wright
2) Bill Aires
3) Socialism
4) Fascism
5) Demagoguing Cabinet Appointments
6) Racism
It's about ACORN and Fox News' War On ACORN.
FOX News Isn't News. It's a Political Operation
What's the difference between Fox News and Fox Opinion?
Fox News Is A 24/7 Political Operation: The Untouchables Edition
Did BillO just say that Fox "pulls more viewers in an hour, than Time does in a week"?
Isn't...Time...only...published...once...a...week...?
God my head hurts...
I automatically said, "No shit you dumb cksucker."
than Time does in a month.
thats the kind of brilliant analysis that the world needs.
unless many of its viewers go back to school for a few more years.
...all that drool would make the pages stick together anyway ...
Big deal, Bill.
... given the state of journalism, this is like comparing brands of toilet paper and claiming, "I can wipe my arse more times with Bill-O Brand than Klein Extra Soft & Squeezy!"
or loofahs to douchebags.
as part of teh FOX agenda.
Sigh.
Public Option?
I exercise my public option to not watch clusterFOX every day.
you are paying FUX for their LIES. They just love it, I am sure. Complain all you want. YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT. Fat chance that all of us would boycott cable or satellite TV in order to get rid of this PROPAGANDA CRAP, but we should. If Murdoch loses sponsors and money, FUX will be gone.
Asks the man who inspired the Knoxville church shooter.
son.
just to debunk all their stupidass claims. I can't stand watching Glenn Beck anymore he's the biggest tool in all of the US. I can't believe he gets paid to be on TV.
Faux wants AMERICA TO FAIL...Why are we even talking about this? For their "air time"? Oh...puhleeeze....turn 'em off.Do I have to play the part where they want America to fail? Send in the drones.....
Dizzy Miss Liberty...
lol Waht a loon! republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness!
It's fun watching faux pundits argue that they are truly a bonifide news network.
if they really wanted to be a 'bonifide news network' they would simply act like one ...and stop talking about it.
I only have one thing to say... Sean "Tree of Liberty" Hannity is a freakin' douche.
sean hannity earned a "worst person" from olbermann for his february poll:
"what kind of revolution appeals to you?"
a) military coup
b) armed rebellion
c) war for secession
countdown wpitw segment: "hannity tests limits of treason"
screenshot: hannity poll
...the folks at Fox News are assholes, but Rush Limbaugh works for ABC radio.
"I mean, who exactly at Fox News is inciting a rebellion against the government?"
Should we send him the video from Media Matters posted below? There are at least half a dozen there.
cause O'Reilly said he read it in...
The Paris Business Review...
Bernard Goldberg is quickly becoming the Howard Kurtz of Fox(news?) "Huh? What? Oh...I hadn't heard that about him....."
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