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Glenn Beck -- who of course has a fetish about "extremist radicals" supposedly infiltrating the White House, while himself promoting far-right extremism on his show on a regular basis -- has been regularly plumping far-right "constitutionalist" theories about the 10th Amendment and states' rights for awhile now, including that hourlong segment complete with 1990s militia figures.

Mostly, though, Beck has been somewhat restrained about just how far down this path he would go, eschewing some of the more radical ideas that are part and parcel of this belief system, or at least declining to mention them to his audiences. But yesterday, filling in for the appendicitis-stricken Beck, Judge Andrew Napolitano opened the constitutionalist Pandora's Box wide and loosed all its ugly demons.

He opened the Beck program with a long rant in which he began (as is typical with "constitutionalists") with utterly false premises -- namely, that not only would the Obama "public option" health-care plan completely take over our health-care system, but the plan could put you in jail for failure to buy insurance. And from there, he sprang into advocating the repeal of the federal income tax and the "nullification" of federal laws by the states:

Napolitano: Last Saturday, at 11 o’clock in the evening, the House of Representatives voted by a five-vote margin to have the federal government manage the health care of every American at a cost of $1 trillion dollars over the next ten years.

For the first time in American history, if this bill becomes law, the Feds will force you to buy insurance you might not want, or may not need, or cannot afford. If you don’t purchase what the government tells you to buy, if you don’t do so when they tell you to do it, and if you don’t buy just what they say is right for you, the government may fine you, prosecute you, and even put you in jail. Freedom of choice and control over your own body will be lost. The privacy of your communications and medical decision making with your physician will be gone. More of your hard earned dollars will be at the disposal of federal bureaucrats.

It was not supposed to be this way. We elect the government. It works for us. How did it get so removed, so unbridled, so arrogant that it can tell us how to live our personal lives? Evil rarely comes upon us all at once, and liberty is rarely lost in one stroke. It happens gradually, over the years and decades and even centuries. A little stretch here, a cave in there, powers are slowly taken from the states and the people and before you know it, we have one big monster government that recognizes no restraint on its ability to tell us how to live. It claims the power to regulate any activity, tax any behavior, and demand conformity to any standard it chooses.

The Founders did not give us a government like the one we have today. The government they gave us was strictly limited in its scope, guaranteed individual liberty, preserved the free market, and on matters that pertain to our private behavior was supposed to leave us alone.

In the Constitution, the Founders built in checks and balances. If the Congress got out of hand, the states would restrain it. If the states stole liberty or property, the Congress would cure it. If the President tried to become a king, the courts would prevent it.

In the next few weeks, I will be giving a public class on Constitutional Law here on the Fox News Channel, on the Fox Business Network, on Foxnews.com, and on Fox Nation. In anticipation of that, many of you have asked: What can we do now about the loss of freedom?

For starters, we can vote the bums out of their cushy federal offices! We can persuade our state governments to defy the Feds in areas like health care -- where the Constitution gives the Feds zero authority. We can petition our state legislatures to threaten to amend the Constitution to abolish the income tax, return the selection of U.S. senators to state legislatures and nullify all the laws the Congress has written that are not based in the Constitution.

One thing we can’t do is just sit back and take it.

I can't tell you how bizarre it is to see arguments I used to hear coming from the mouths of Montana Freemen like LeRoy Schweitzer in the 1990s -- arguments that led to him embarking on an 81-day armed standoff with federal authorities, and resulting in him spending the rest of his natural life in a federal prison -- coming from supposedly mainstream talk-show hosts on Fox News only 13 years later.

Chip Berlet at PublicEye has a decent rundown of the roots of these "constitutionalist" beliefs:

Throughout the late 1990s the Patriot and armed militia movements overlapped with a resurgent states’ rights movement and a new "county supremacy" movement. There was rapid growth of illegal so-called constitutionalist common-law courts, set up by persons claiming a nonexistent "sovereign" citizenship. These courts claimed jurisdiction over legal matters on the county or state level and dismissed the U.S. judicial system as corrupt and unconstitutional. Constitutionalist legal theory created a two-tiered concept of citizenship in which White people have a superior "natural law" or "sovereign" citizenship. The most doctrinaire constitutionalists argue that only the original U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments) are valid and legally binding, all later amendments are not. Put into effect, this would relegalize slavery, abolish women’s right to vote, rescind the right of citizenship now guaranteed to all persons born in the United States, and allow state governments to ignore the Bill of Rights itself. Amazingly, many supporters of constitutionalism seem oblivious to the racism and sexism inherent in this construct.

It's also important to remember that a large majority of "constitutionalist" promoters -- including the Freemen -- were actually scam artists who made huge sums ripping off gullible "Patriots". And all based on arguments strikingly similar to Napolitano's:

A significant component of the "patriot" movement's membership believes that the government, state and federal, is illegitimate. Such people believe that a longstanding conspiracy by power-hungry elites gradually replaced the legitimate ("de jure") government with an illegitimate ("de facto") government, one that is tyrannical and oppressive. This wing of the "patriot" movement is often called the "common law" movement or the "common law court" movement. Its members call themselves, variously, "state citizens," "sovereign citizens," "freemen," and "constitutionalists." The movement originated around 1970 with a tax protest group called the Posse Comitatus. By 1980 the Posse had developed an elaborate ideology centered around the notion of two governmental systems, one legitimate and one illegitimate. Posse members and their descendants believe that the legitimate system is one based on the "common law," while the illegitimate system is based on statutory law. Common law has a legitimate meaning in the United States' legal system, but the sovereign citizen belief system twisted it to mean something else entirely--generally speaking, a governing system of virtually no government, where there are no taxes, no regulations, no victimless crimes, and no unpopular laws enforced. Posse adherents believe that the illegitimate statutory system, primarily through the Fourteenth Amendment, tricks people into voluntarily giving up their "sovereign" status and becoming slaves to the statutory system. This surrender of sovereignty is done by entering into "contracts" with the de facto government, which includes using a social security card, a drivers license, or even a zip code. However, Posse leaders suggest that people can tear up all of those contracts and return to the "common law" system, becoming "sovereign citizens" who are immune to the jurisdiction of the de facto government's taxes, laws and courts.

It was nice of Napolitano to move the ball downfield for Beck, I suppose. When he gets back today, no doubt he'll be finding fresh new conspiracy theories to keep it rolling.



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And the counties can nullify the state laws they don't like.

sure, why not?!

And the cities can nullify the county laws they don't like and the citizens can nullify the city laws they don't like.

And

Individual households can nullify the municipal laws they don't like.

Can override county laws in some cases. It happens in Florida.

the Supreme Court rode all over Florida's laws. Not that the governor cared.

This new health care bill will give 'em lots to override, including the constitution. It's the chance they've been waiting for.

I'm not a Beckian, but I'm for secession too.

>"I'm not a Beckian, but I'm for secession too."

Good. Get out. and don't use any police, fire department, hi ways, health dept or any other gov't programs until you're across a border.

Everybody hates the gov't and lawyers ... until they need assistance.

In one respect... I do not believe the government has the right to FORCE Americans to buy a health policy from these criminals if you believe you can not afford it or just do not want to pay their criminal price.

This should be a civilize universal health coverage controlled by our government.. Private companies have no d... business making a profit of 30% off the backs of American citizens to control their health needs.

Just about every civilized industrialize country has a universal public option health care and it is 1/2 the cost and the health care is better...

Where would Cheney be today if he had the same health care as most Americans..
Most likely where he could have done no destruction to this country and citizens..

We need to fight for our rights , care and democracy and put a quick stop to this takeover of our country by these Global Empires with the held and support of our elected officials.'

They have forgotten that "WE are the Employers" and they are the "Employees."

Democrat , republican or Independent we need to set this record straight NOW and seal it with voting anyone which believes they are the boss out of office..

We need to start having the input to the legislation which our government is passing for the wishes and benefit of US.

They have become arrogant and deceitful and look where it has led us..

Into total destruction of our constitution , rights , freedom and economy..

It is a sad day when we have these Global Empires forcing their wishes and demands down our throats for their wealth , power and complete control of our government..

Why are our roads starting to be privatized , our military privatized , our social programs privatized.

Just look at the debt , manufacturing plants / jobs loses which companies like Halliburton and Blackwater given our tax money while they steal it through their crimes and deceit like receiving the same d... contract two times..
While they charge us billions of dollars more than the cost should be for their product and work..
Give it back to the military personal which which not to fight on the front lines and peel the potatoes and serve the food and medical supplies.

Even our? elected officials are getting wealthy by their position in our government..

Excellent fucking post!

The have and the have not. This is the way it has always been in the Red, White & Blue United States since it's inception. Other than a few selfless patriots, the destitute Thomas Payne comes to mind, none of the Founding Fathers did without. Jefferson died heavily in debt yet, lived like royalty. Lincoln a country bumpkin? Think again, he was a railroad lawyer and one of the richest men in Illinois. Native American's land and life gobbled up by the USG. Federal Reserve Act of 1913 ramrodded through a recessed Congress... I could go on for hours.

The only difference is that we have the internet tubes to call these scum out, discuss solutions and formulate action...

This country will never change as long as we remain passive and apolitical. There will always be assholes and there will always be corruption but, without speaking the truth to each other, every day at sites like C&L our subjugation would be total.

benefiting from the privatization of the military?
And I agree with you about the mandatory coverage--there is a big fat law suit there. How can the government be used to enforce purchase of a product, (because that's what it is coming from the insurance industry) from a private company?

What on earth is going on with that guy's hairline?

measures taken by amateur militiamen?

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That is why I can't take him seriously. Oh, and also because he's crazy.

The result was called the War Between The States down here, and The Civil War up North...

Doesn't ANYBODY learn?

:p

Yea but this time we have better weapons to help get our points across.

I believe it will be differently this time. It should be over in two, three weeks tops, and the red states will greet us as liberators.

..and cotton candy?

using Southern CowPlop (BS)

It was called "The War of Northern Aggression".

Or "The Late Unpleasantness with the North".

I'm sure this sort of thinking would be just fine with the right-whiners if McCain and company had won.

Lately the unpleasantness has been the "politcally correct" attribution of southern sentiment to Yankee chosen names which leave out the role of the north in mercilessly attacking our way of life after we engaged in a little island artillery practice over in Charleston harbor.

Sherman did some redecorating down there and everything went back to normal.

and we'll have to expose more of your untoward taste in self manufactured beverages.

should be tied to the requirement of engraving Sherman's mug on top of the four jackasses in Stone Mountain.

Yeah!

It is too early for martinis in my time zone, though...

House wine of the South!

Ain't no "d" in ice tea. You do need yo Mammy back, son.

Hail! It's where Sherman is for what he done to etlanta.

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it won't, sir.

in peckerwood.

Doesn't ANYBODY learn?

Certainly not anybody on the right. Ignorance is at the top of the list of things which they seek to conserve.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Yawn. Ok, Glenn Glenn's muppet, what's next?

Beck cares what's written on his toilet paper.

If they stay true to the script I'm guessing a new Declaration of Independence......or an attack on Fort Sumter.

We just let the boys in the Smokey bear hats run around there because it brings in more tourist dollars. Our dollars have not been so good since the temporary cessation of hostilities Lee arranged so he could resupply.

I can appreciate a clever tactical ruse as much as the next guy but I would think that the pantry should be full by now. Are you prophsying a second coming?

strings. NONE of this violent treasonous agitation is the product of Beck's or any of the FartHard's malevolent but tiny brains.

Insurance companies, Coal & other energy companies, Wall Street, Murdoch and other Media CEOs are creating and targeting this campaign towards the most brutish, stupid and craziest of our Countrymen/women in order to create the impression that any "Liberal" policies Congress or the President try to enact will be rejected as Evil Government Encroachment of The People's Rights under the Constitution.

Only in this extreme and probably illegal manner can the "Elite" who control our country actually persuade people that Public Health Care will harm -even kill with Death Panels- them, that less pollution from power plants is Communism or Fascism, and that talking with our enemies (Iran) is both Stupid and Treasonous.

Vile as Beck, Limbaugh and all the other highly paid mountebanks are, they are actually fronting for the real enemy. If it were possible to get rid of all the worst of the GasBag Pundits today, right now: they would be replaced within HOURS.

Remember who our REAL enemies are.

How does that work? There is a joke among lawyers that goes like this: "Your Honor. I don't care if you argue my case for me, but please don't lose it." Are you listening "Judge?"

'Are you showing contempt for this court!?'

'No your honor, I'm trying not to.'

Tho my fav was in real life when my Dad was questioning an FBI agent on the stand in Fed court about his qualifications. The Fed ran thru his classes at Quantico and mentioned he'd gone to jury school.

Dad:'What did they teach you at jury school?'
FBI: 'They taught us to tell the truth.'
Dad: pause 'And how long did that take?' [laughter]

They hate being laughed at, especially by the jury.

the reality is that a lot of states already have nullified federal legislation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_...

Boy don't these stories tie in nicely with Murdock's Sky interview?!

He tells them what to say, Rove writes the messages to work up the ignorant watcher, and these "entertainers" read the scripts.

He's gonna give a course on constitutional law! Rich, they hated Obama because he gave courses on Constitutional Law!

the Civil War. Getting a bit heavy handed, aren't they?

As you and many others have pointed out repeatedly, the rightwing media and Republican politicians are increasingly mainstream far right extremist rhetoric at an appalling pace. I really do start to worry about the possibility of a "Reichstag fire" here.

ala the World Trade Center. perhaps?

I agree. I think we assume that there are enough reasonably minded moderates in this country to squelch this growing absurdity, but as long as MSM is allowing this sort of crap to go unchallenged and legitimizing it by calling it 'analysis' (by a federal judge, no less) the ranks of the angry idiot are just going to keep growing until there's a crisis.

actually are out there. Or not. Keep your enemies close, and your weapons closer.
They are trying to shut us up. We are making headway, and more and more people on our side are coming forward and telling the truth while calling out the liars. Look at the totality of big shots running off their mouths lately. Beauregard darlin', I believe we have done stepped on some toes. We best get our shit kickers on.

After all, the federal judges who ended segregation were liberal 'activist judges', weren't they? There are many white supremacists, even today, in the south and midwest who would re-institute total segregation if they could, and reject all federal laws that bar racist discrimination.......

we should have a vote on the Emancipation Proclamation, since we seem to have adopted a standard on voting on civil rights for certain groups.

a Civil Rights action by Yankees. It was an uncompensated taking of private property. All Reparations to the Right People!

That confiscating heroin in a bust is an uncompensated taking of private property too, huh?

lands what produced that ungodly substance.

Don't forget we need natural plants like poppies to make medicine that saves lives.

btw - Good Flanders Field Day to everyone. Let's not make the same mistakes again.

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ta be a Amurecun.

... weasels like Napolitano will insist on all the benefits of federal government (like a military to protect them from the ravening Islamic hordes), and their 'right to bear arms' and speech that fits within their ideological straitjackets.

ConLaw is a semester-long brain-bender for most law students - just to get the basics. How is Judge Nutjobbers going to do the subject justice in a biased forum like the FOX network?

And is there anything MORE activist than a Judge (is he retired?) preaching sedition?

I guess that makes him retired. Or blowing smoke up his own ass. He must thank God everyday for niche markets.

This question was settled once and for all (time) back in 65'.

1865 that is you moron, when the States Right's guys lost the Civil War!

Where do they find these people? Does Murdoch spend the entire day turning over rocks looking for new Fox talent?

Mr.Napolitano's family was still back in Italy and they didn't speak English yet. So I am not surprised that is all news to him.

they came over in a boat?

nothing wrong with that - until you go balls out fascist on us that is...

You are an idiot.

In the Constitution, the Founders built in checks and balances. If the Congress got out of hand, the states would restrain it. If the states stole liberty or property, the Congress would cure it. If the President tried to become a king, the courts would prevent it.

Right. And that's been broken how exactly?

In the next few weeks, I will be giving a public class on Constitutional Law here on the Fox News Channel, on the Fox Business Network, on Foxnews.com, and on Fox Nation.

Um, Judge? You didn't answer my question.

In anticipation of that, many of you have asked: What can we do now about the loss of freedom?

I GOT MY HAND UP OVER HERE!

shutting down the leader in false propaganda, Fox News.

The Murdoch slime machine is engulfing us in slime. Once we are surrounded there is no way out!

We must act. It's now or fascism forever...

POX News is really fascism on a plate.

Explain that one, your Magisterial Highness.

)O(

whatsoever of the US constitution. It makes me feel so much "better" knowing there are idiots like this Napolitano feller behind the bench....

Under it would be evern better. If there were stocks in front for his hands and feet, and a pointy cap for his head, maybe he could sit.

Uh, hello, fat a$$?

States ALREADY have the right to ignore any and all Federal Laws. The Federal government's way of enforcing them is through the power of the purse (want to go over 55mph? Fine. But you can forget getting any more highway funds.)

I hear mentally ill people on the street corner with a firmer grasp on reality. How long before Fox gives those people the mic?

keep your Antonin the same place. I think we have the first Chief Justice of the Eyetalian persuasion and it isn't little old you!.

I'm not kidding.

I woulda mistook 'em for crappie, but if you read they was chum, I have never known you to intentionally mislead.

White Crappie?

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in a crowded theater.

Yep. more precisely he just yelled FIRE AT WILL. Never understood what everyone has against poor Will but he must be full of holes by now...

This guy is just one of them.

Now that the Krackers are Kalling for Kwitting from the soverignty of the laws of America, and since they have ALL OF OUR DEFENSE INDUSTRY AND ARMED FORCES SAFELY ENSCONCED BEHIND CONFEDERATE LINES, and they have been doing their civil war re-inactments, and pseudo paramilitary exercise in the woods; they are ready for the Second Civil War, aren't they.

They otta simma' down and appreciate their short and apparently unhappy lives before it's too late for them.

Maybe it takes these ugly people to really appreciate the bulk of us good and happy people. I'm proud that their ugly behavior doesn't spread amongst the general public the way it has eviscerated the right wingers and Republicans.

It truly does take all kinds to make up our rich universal experience.
I have spent much time in fox nation. I have experienced these unconscious maniacs for years now and have learned, compared and gained a perspective. I've gained a clearer understanding of what I do want and what I don't want. Now their time is up with me. Thanks for the lesson, now please secede quickly so the people focused on a positive vision can get on with it. Face it, their is not even hint of a way many of us are ever going to be able to share these peoples goals or values.

return the selection of U.S. senators to state legislatures and nullify all the laws the Congress has written that are not based in the Constitution -- judge nappy dread

psst, nappy, we tried that--it didn't work out too well with all the intimidation and bribery. so, if judge nappy dread wants to do away with the 17th amendment, does that mean he supports doing away with ALL amendments? i think he does. i wonder if he rec'd any phonecalls from the 2nd amendment folks...

The 17th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote.

I have to wonder...how much longer will the extreme nut-jobs on the right be allowed to dance around on the edge of sedition. It's bad enough there is so-called news agencies such as Faux News doing it without restraint, we even have them sitting in Our Congress.

into this horrifying conduct. The people causing this ruckus think they can control the tiger they are enraging, just as Bismark and the other German High Muckety-mucks thought they could control Hitler.

Obama, Reid, Pelosi and other "Leaders" should nip this in the bud. They can if they wish, and if they have the courage.

... this will be just like the bulk of the Bush Administration and the 9/11 fearmongering. It severely damaged our nation, and these arseholes Just Don't Get It.

Restoring free speech to a level of civil discourse requires that the dishonest fear merchants and racist bastards like Napolitano, Beck, and others be subject to harsh penalties and regulation.

Did they make the poor fellow sit on thumb tacks to get him soooo angry?
Sit back and do nuttin? More like sit back and spew bupkis.

"Freedom of choice and control over your own body will be lost."

Oh yeah? Now this piece of shit suddenly cares about choice and control over your own body? Sounds like an argument for abortion rights, to me..

They are after our precious body fluids.

hands off my essense!!!

My essence.....Noooooooo!

)O(

Well...as long as she's cute and takes me out to dinner first.

He's just saying that the state governments should have the right to tell you what to do with your body. Shorter Napolitano: All tyranny should be local.

There is one point in this otherwise insane rant that I'm sympathetic to, which is the mandatory purchasing of health insurance. I mean I understand the mandatory requirement for car or home insurance, because there isn't a mandatory requirement to buy a car or a home. don't get me wrong, I'm all for universal healthcare, and I don't mind getting taxed a couple hundred bucks a year for it, but I'm not too sure I like the idea that I'll be required by law to purchase insurance or get fined for it. There seems to be this overriding interest in keeping a middleman entity (insurance company, private or otherwise) which really doesn't contribute anything to the quality of care.

the idea of being the first person jailed for lack of healthcare insurance.

... undoubtedly, people who are in a position to abuse the system, just like welfare, food stamps, etc.

At the same time, there's really no reason that one of the largest and most powerful nations on the planet cannot - in good conscience and in an effective, sensible manner - take care of its populace through making healthcare available and affordable.

Hospitals, of course, will continue to treat patients regardless of a patient's ability to pay - and this is the reason for mandatory insurance: it takes the burden off the hospital and places it on the consumer.

the mandate will be to buy insurance from the government--not private companies.

He's bad mouthing single payer. You have to watch both sides of his mouth.

by removing the anti-trust protection of the Insurance Co's by our Government.

Would that include states that want to ban all firearms? Would that include states that want to provide single payer health care? Would that include states that legalize medicinal marijuana or legalize all marijuana as California is considering?
Methinks this can be a double edged sword for the right wing kooks!

Not to sound like an a-hole
But I’m sort of with him on one point, which is the mandatory purchase of health insurance under threat of fine.
I just don’t understand the overriding interest in keeping a middleman entity (insurance agency, private or otherwise) which essentially contributes nothing to the quality of medical care. If we’re gonna do this, why don’t we just tax everybody the equivalent of how much a “federal health insurance” would be, or how much the fine would be if you don’t get one, and use that money for a single-payer system? I mean it’s gonna be the same thing, only a lot less complicated, and a lot more efficient, and without the added cost of uber-sophisticated billing procedures and CEO bonuses.

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PAC contributors.

But I'd rather see the wealth care bill fail than have my taxes go to subsidize an industry that adds to and leeches off the high cost of medical care.

Maybe secession isn't such a bad idea, after all.
If anybody likes the health care "reform" bill, let them move to Washington D.C. and the rest of us form our own unions.
Let those who hate big government and love the insurance companies have their own country--call it Tea Bagya.
Let those states in which the majority want a public option form a union of our own. Problem is...we'll soon need a stong border patrol to keep out illegal aliens from Tea Baggia and D.C.

Ok. This Napolitano crap seriously stinks.

Suggestion to the DOJ. Time to get all IRS on Al Capone's er' um..I mean Rupert Murdoch's keister.

Rupert has demonstrated that he is a clear and present danger to our democracy. DOJ? What say you?

To serve and protect. Just saying.

The part about nullifying Federal law is bullshit, but I'm afraid he's exactly right about mandating insurance. This will not stand. We need true single-payer health care, not a mandate that we all go buy overpriced insurance from stinking, piratical, for-profit private insurance companies.

If the Democrats pass that, it's all over.

"I can't tell you how bizarre it is to see arguments I used to hear coming from the mouths of Montana Freemen like LeRoy Schweitzer in the 1990s -- arguments that led to him embarking on an 81-day armed standoff with federal authorities, and resulting in him spending the rest of his natural life in a federal prison -- coming from supposedly mainstream talk-show hosts on Fox News only 13 years later."

Pace Neiwert, arguments recognizing the valid principle of nullification were first committed to print 211 years ago by an extremist named Thomas Jefferson.

I can't tell you how bizarre it is for supposedly honest and educated people like Mr. Neiwert to pretend that ideas of this sort sprang Athena-like from the troubled brow of some fringe-dweller.

that rule our country thru bare-faced Lies, bribery, theft, assassination, and endless War.

Even Jefferson had some bad ideas, some unsavory habits.

Where did Dave write that the origins of the theory of nullification began with the Montana Freemen?

There's a big difference between what Jefferson and Madison wrote in 1798 in the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions and the rantings of the likes of Schweitzer and, now, Napolitano. At the time of the aforementioned resolutions, there were only eleven amendments on the books- the Bill of Rights and the "Sovereign Immunity" Amendment- but no 14th Amendment and its equal protection clause, and, pertinent to this conversation, no 16th Amendment giving the Federal government the power to impose an income tax.

The United States Civil War was fought not in the cause of justice to abolish slavery but, solely as a battle over States Rights.

The Wingnuts know this and are attempting to cause a rift and perhaps civil war pitting the Federal Government against rogue states. This is the type language that inflamed a nation in the 1850's and if, a Texas or South Carolina secede, we could certainly see domestic armed insurrection.

Something has got to give and a second civil war is not a far flung notion and we're just fucking crazy enough to carry it out.

... people will wake up when "No one would be crazy enough to ..." becomes a reality.

9/11 happened because we didn't take an enemy's stated intent seriously.

I think we have to understand we've got a new enemy, right here at home, and they're a damned sight more dangerous and feral than al-fucking-Qaeda. These guys ain't hiding in caves - they're marching in the streets and making regular appearances on the television, radio, and internet.

The last thing I want to hear when it all goes south and someone gets hurt/assassinated is, "We didn't know!"

The Civil War, at its core, wasn't over states rights, it was about proportional representation in the House of Representatives.

The Three-Fifths Clause of the Constitution (Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3) states:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

So the states with slaves got more representation, and the power that goes with that representation, in the House, even though the slaves were not allowed to vote for the representatives. the slave states used this power to elect Presidents- ever notice how many of the pre-Civil war POTUSes were southern, and how many of the elections actually ended by a vote in Congress because the Electoral College couldn't achieve the result? Three-Fifths Clause in action.

The slave states gamed the system and came up with the Missouri Compromise: For every "free" state admitted to the Union, there would be a slave state. This kept the slave states happy, because it kept them in power. It all came to a head in Bloody Kansas because the free states had gained so much population from Europe in the 1840s and 1850s that they were beginning to overwhelm the slave states in the House. And the slave states didn't want to lose the power they had to drive legislation and bend the legislative process to their own desire- something they had been guilty of since the Constitution had been enacted- so they took their ball and went home. And the free states, who had sat patiently for 70+ years, who suffered through the dictation of legislation by the slave state minority, wouldn't have any of the hypocrisy.

a minority driving the train. Where have I heard this?

Neo-Con has two meanings: New Conservatives and New Confederates.

)O(

Actually that was a great+ uncle of mine, Henry Clay.

(and/or states)...nullifying crappy laws made by an "omnipotent FED GOV'T,

should logically...

be opposed to states like California who legalize marijuana.

I think my state should nullify the patriot act, legalize marijuana, take away telecom immunity stop the wiretapping and refuse to collect income tax that goes to bailout big banksters!

that would mean states could nullify the obligation to pay federal taxes. That would certainly put an end to the transfer of wealth largely from the blue states to the current red states. That would be interesting.

FORMER JUDGE Napolitano, who "quit" in '95, and happens to be a close friend of Samuel Alito, has an opinion???

About ANYTHING?

From his "argument" I think I understand now why he's a FORMER JUDGE.

oh well....

The judge is right on the mark. the dems and repulicans sold us out long ago. its up to us to replace the government when it no longer works.

yep ... that's why my motto is "vote write-in" -- if everyone would follow this simple idea for a couple election cycles the entire two party system of corruption would be gone. people say i waste my vote ... but from where i sit i'm one of the few that doesn't waste my vote. btw, as nutty as many right wingers are the idea that the government is going to force people to buy insurance is indeed a sham.

that this bill will force some Americans to buy insurance that they don't want. The simple way around this problem is single payer. Like Social Security everyone is covered and they all pay into the system. Single Payer will solve almost every complaint that conservatives have about the the current bill. Too bad we don't the leadership in the Dem party to push for single payer.

to say the government will put you in jail if you can't pay mandatory insurance? Won't this be policed through the IRS? The one entity you do _NOT_ stiff in the U.S. is the IRS. Well, yeah. The mafia too.

Remember that the greatest percentage of welfare recipients are rural whites. If these people, and their minimum wage cousins, are forced to pay _anything_ more, it can only end in debtor prisons or somebody getting hurt trying to send them to one. To think otherwise is to maintain the illusion that the American people are all still fat, happy and eminently bleedable as usual. I still haven't seen an answer to the question of whether a person making $11,000/year (couple hundred over the supposed poverty line) will have the government trying to take that couple hundred from him. The minimum wage worker who is "shirking" his "responsibility" to pay "his fair share" because he doesn't "WANT" to may replace the welfare mother with a Cadillac as the new club to beat poor people with if we have mandatory insurance.

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