O'Reilly really owes Paul Krugman -- and the public -- an apology
By David Neiwert Wednesday Jan 14, 2009 7:45am
The other day Bill O'Reilly did one of those quiet shifts in his narrative that he is careful never to announce or draw too much attention to -- mainly because if you're paying attention, it means he was dead wrong about issues he's previously taken vociferous positions on.
Essentially, he admitted that Bush has to take some blame for failing to recognize the oncoming recession -- which is to say, the recession is real and not just a figment of the imaginations of the media and the "nutty left."
In other words, he's been dead wrong all this time and he owes everyone in his audience an apology.
O'Reilly: Larry, look. The reason I didn't get an exit interview with President Bush -- and we asked -- and I have a good relationship with him -- was that he knew I was going to ask one key question, Larry, one. And that is, Why didn't you guys see this terrible recession when it was coming? Why didn't you see that? He didn't answer that today, did he?
Larry Elder: And the reason he didn't answer it is because it is a long, complicated answer, and primarily the reason nobody saw it, or very few people saw it, was because of government interference.
O'Reilly: But he's the president. He's the president. He's the guy the who's got to protect the folks, and the folks got hammered. And you're right, it's complicated and long, but that really sunk him, even more than Iraq or the war on terror.
Gee, I dunno, Bill. I wonder if Bush cheerleaders like you -- who angrily shouted down anyone who talked about the dire long-term consequences of Bushonomics -- might have helped persuade him he was doing the right thing. Ya think?
And in case Larry Elder missed it, there were a number of people who saw it coming, and saw it from a long way off. One of them was Paul Krugman, the recent Nobel Economics Prize winner.
Some of you may even recall that nasty, finger-wagging, threatening encounter with Krugman that Bill O'Reilly had on Tim Russert's show back in 2004:
O'Reilly: But Mr. Krugman was absolutely dead, 100 percent wrong in his columns, uh, two years ago when he said the Bush tax cuts would lead to a deeper recession. You can read his book and see how wrong he was.
Krugman: Actually, you can read it. I never said that. I said it would lead to a lousy job creation effort.
O’Reilly: Column after column after column. You made the point, in your book, okay, that these cuts, these tax cuts were going to be disastrous for the economy.
Krugman: Nope ...
O'Reilly: They haven’t been.
Krugman: Uh, uh, I’m sorry. That’s a lie. Let me just say, that’s a lie.
O’Reilly: It’s not a lie.
Krugman: It’s a lie. I said they were ineffective at job creation. And if you look at the Bush administration --
O'Reilly: 'Ineffective at job creation'? What is that, semantics now? The economy is based on job creation. And you're saying it's ineffective.
Don't call me a liar, pal. That's what you do to me all the time, and I'm not gonna sit here and take it. Ineffective? That's the biggest bunch of spit in the world.
OK, so that was four years ago. But as recently as last month -- Dec. 8, to be exact -- O'Reilly went on air with Karl Rove and explained the economic downturn as primarily a figment of the media's imagination:
O’REILLY: All right, so you are agreeing with me then that there is a conscious effort on the part of The New York Times and other liberal media to basically paint as drastic a picture as possible, so that when Barack Obama takes office that anything is better than what we have now?
ROVE: Yes.
Rove then went on to paint this downturn as similar in proportion to the deflation of the tech bubble that hit shortly after Bush entered office (and no, Rove's portrait of the situation was not factually accurate; here is a good look at the stock market before Bush was sworn in).
Of course, as Amanda Terkel at ThinkProgress pointed out, the media didn't hasn't exactly needed to blow things out of proportion to accurately report that the straits are dire.
And in case anyone is wondering precisely how accurate Krugman really was, here's one of the columns that provoked O'Reilly's wrath back in 2004:
Until recently it has been hard to get people excited about the states' worst fiscal crisis since the Great Depression. For about two years state governments were able to use fancy financial footwork to put off the full effects, and the public probably regarded warnings about looming catastrophe as exaggerated. But now, as Timothy Egan reported yesterday in The New York Times, states are "withdrawing health care for the poor and mentally ill. They are also dismissing state troopers, closing parks and schools, dropping bus routes, eliminating college scholarships and slashing a host of other services." Not to mention unscrewing every third light bulb in Missouri government offices. (Honest.)
Aside from their cruelty and their adverse effect on the quality of life, these cuts will be a major drag on the national economy. So if the administration really cared about jobs, it would provide an emergency package of aid to state governments — not to pay for new spending, but simply to maintain basic services. How about $78 billion — the same sum just allocated for the Iraq war?
Oh, never mind. Anything that would distract from the tax-cut message is out of the question. In fact, rather than compromise on its goal of maximum long-run tax cuts for the wealthy, the administration now says that it's willing to phase tax cuts in gradually — making them even less effective as an economic stimulus.
So when you take the policy consequences into account, it's clear that the administration's tax-cut obsession isn't just busting the budget; it's also indirectly destroying jobs by preventing any rational response to a weak economy. In its determination to stay on message, the administration is also determined not to do anything that would actually help ordinary families.
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boosh is back to claiming he "inherited" a recession that officially started March 2001.
That's a hoot. He must think the American people are stupid. Oh - wait ...
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Some recessionary experts say that at the earliest the recession started November 2000, but that would be while Clinton was a lame duck, but what they won't cite is boosh came in talking down the economy right to the lead up to Christmas of that year, probably depressing Christmas sales in the process.
And even then it was one of the mildest recessions on record, confined to one industry (the dot coms.), but was considered one of the longest recovery periods with stagnant wages and payrolls, and this was UNDER BOOSH.
BTW these are quite simply irrefuteable FACTS!!
tax cuts for the elite= loss of job creation
tax raises for the elite= job creation
bubbles are CREATED by tax breaks for the elites , and as anyone can see the bubbles have been going on since the tax policies have been enacted
I think O'Reilly is an idiot too- but bubbles aren't created by tax breaks- and tax raises don't create jobs. They do cause changes in the economy- but not what you're saing. Bubbles are created by the federal reserve adding injecting too much easy money and cheap credit into the economy. The bubble has been going on since Greenspan regulated the market by manipulating interest rates in 2001- and instead of having a real bad recession after the tech bubble burst- we had a housing bubble.
Bush's tax cuts were stupid not because they were tax cuts- but because you can't have tax cuts while increasing spending.
Yeah - we've been feeling it - for every bit of that.
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Under Clinton, Americas economy was kickin ass and takin names...after 43 was appointed dictator...the budget surplus that Clinton worked so hard to achieve was PISSED AWAY in the first months of bushy mcjuniors "administration".
So georgie boy...you, karl rove, boil o'LIElly, and the rest of your cronies, can suck my motherfuckin taintmeat!
You have all but destroyed this country. You all deserve no less than a public hanging...after a fair and SPEEDY trial at the Hague, of course.
Fuck all y'all bastard fascist fucks!
Greenspan had much more power to intefere in the economy than either clinton or Bush at the time of 2000/2001. It was him lowering interest rates and easy money policy that made that dot.com recession so mild- but instead created a housing bubble and gave us an even worse recession now.
He had 8 years to work on his 'inherited' recession and all he did was make it grow into a global financial meltdown?
is a very accurate way of putting it.
Which is worse;
The economy collapsed in my final days in office; or, the economy collapsed before I came into office; and, I sat on my ass and did nothing about it for 8 years.
There's only one reason that I can think of that would have O'LIElly backpedaling like this -- he's hearing from his audience.
All the lies and spin in the world won't help when your audience knows your lying because they're in the tank.
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for the people who trusted Captain Bluster over Krugman.
Commit Seppuku...
"Seppuku was a key part of bushido, the code of the samurai warriors..."
Do they speak in haiku
While eating tofu
And spraying on High Karate?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8hL0BUKDDk&fe...
Billo is a gutless wonder.
Fattest gutless I've ever seen.
To commit seppuku would indicate that Bill O admits to a grevious error and had dishonored his master (whoever that may be).
First, Bill O will never admit to making an error.
Second, if anyone in the Bush Administration that should have committed seppuku it should have been Tenet, "Brownie", Chertoff and Rove. It would have been a bloody administration.
...his finger in my face like that. Krugman handled Billy well though, while "moderator" Tim Russert just sat on his fat ass.
beer gut...not that you'd need it, but I got yer back!
needs his ass kicked. That menacing posture and finger waving, trying to intimidate Krugman, just pissed me off. Russert came off like a useless goof for failing to protect his guest.
Billoid DOES need an ass-whompin...as does, Limpfart, Savage-Weiner, Prager, and soooo many other BushCo enablers/apologists.
I know that anyone of those tough talkin pussies would cower and piss themselves if confronted.
Krugman not strong enough to stand up to olielly?
since when is the truth not stronger than lies??
or is it that bloviating pinhead really is just a schoolyard bully
The Bush administration tax cuts did nothing for job creation. And BillO is as usual 100 percent WRONG. I hope he is hearing long and loud from his viewers who have lost jobs due to the lame financial practices of the Bush administration, which he has consistently praised. Bush did nothing to rein in the Wall Street cowboys. Why don't more people listen to Krugman?
Krugman is only a Nobel winning economist and doesn't rate a teevee show.
Krugman is well-spoken and even tempered.
He doesn't scream at anybody or turn off their microphones.
That just don't seem Murikkkan.
Why isn't Krugman working for US?
Better question....why hasn't Obama picked him for a Cabinet position?
Krugman might be too liberal.
Funny how leftists and liberals often turn out to be correct.
Must be that "liberally biased reality" thing
Murdoch's #1 turd polisher. Good luck with that, jerk.
I had to double check to see when Krugman wrote that because much of it could have been written today. When the conversation is about economics and you are up against someone like Krugman, and you are a bullshit artist like BillO, it is best to keep ones mouth shut especially tight.
Why is this asshole even on the air. He has Affective Disorder. Hey O-dipshit, tell us about the phone call with the lady in the shower. How much did YOU pay her to go away.
If we began a list of all the things BillO should apologize to the public for, it would be one hell of a long list.
Just heard this morning the banks are coming back to the govt. for another stash of cash.
Can somebody tell me why we didn't just buy up all of the bad mortgages and re-adjust them to current values and give them back to the original mortgage holders?
The government doesn't need to buy up mortgages to fix this problem. All they need to do is cap the interest rates that banks are allowed to charge. It's really that simple. This isn't that hard of a thing to fix. Just pass a law that says mortgages can charge a maximum of 5% or 6% interest. Same thing with credit cards. Just cap the interest rates.
an interest rate as high of 4% was considered price gouging.
Are you suggesting I can hold my breath?
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BushCo didn't see the recession/depression coming
BushCo didn't see 9-11 coming
BushCo and the Fed engineered the recession/depression
BushCo engineered....
got it?
BushCo engineered the attacks on 9/11!
(well not really him, but all his neo-con PNAC handlers). They planned it, they wrote about it in their documents, and they did it.
Anyone with an open mind, who takes some time to go on line and read and watch videos and study still photos and eyewitness accounts cannot come to any other conclusion.
if his neo-con PNAC handlers would have let him in on it, he would have mucked it up for them, just like he's mucked up everything else he's touched.
sent him to LA or ALA or wherever to read "My Pet Goat" to the first-graders..!
during those infamous seven minutes, I can imagine what thought was going through his head..."Oh my God, they actually did it!"
I think that is a bit of a stretch; having said this, a strong case can be made that he found out about it and decided to let it happen so he could use it to advance his political agenda.
I just don't see the Neocons being sophisticated enough to plan something like this. The Neocons would of hired someone to do it that would of fucked up. They seem to have a knack for hiring incompetent thugs.
The whole thing was just too big and complex for them to have masterminded...they did, however, see an opportunity.
exactly what they want you to believe. They're too incompetent.....??
Just the same regarding the economic disaster we're currently experiencing...they all say no one could have predicted this would happen. Yet, if one studies the lead-up (the de- regulation of the financial sector, changes to tax policies, major corporate corruption re: war contracting, etc., etc.)
it is clear that this collapse has also been engineered by the same incompetents.
We live in the Matrix and Everything is not as it appears.
to see what comes to light after
or IF
these scum vacate their offices.
not at all...just incompetent to enough, to "let" it happen.
BUt on the other hand...I think OBL and pals are PLENTY capable of thinkin this up on their own, and carrying it out without any inside help from BushCo.
And that assumes that Bin Laden isn't part of a "Wag the Dog" scenario.
Fact is that CHENEY himself was in charge of a NORAD exercise at the time of the attacks! The scenario? Terrorists hijacking planes and crashing them into buildings. That's why the planes weren't scrambled and why everything was in chaos at the time of the attacks.
I don't know why the media doesn't pick up this inconvenient little fact. No, what stretches the imagination more is the "fact" that angry muslims thousands of miles away figured out how to shut down the defenses of the most heavily defended airspace in the world.
I think they looked the other way. I think bin Laden promised to attack Denver or Minneapolis, a less "important" city, and the puppet masters agreed.
Anyone who listens to Bill and takes anything he says seriously, is just foolish. Why the hell did Russert have Krugman on with BillO in the first place? One in no way relates to the other. Krugman, a smart as hell guy in his field and Bill, the most obnoxious and the dumbest man on tv.
about his comments about the kid that was kidnapped by a stranger and held for four years.
He didn't actually apologized, pretty much denied saying it. The worst part was Oprah let him get away with it. Why would she take down a media partner when both of them have so much more money to make selling drivel?
here's a link, I guess Oprah failed to ask him altogether but Keith Olberman covers it for what it is.
Bill O'Reilly's most disgraceful moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLGAzmwO4yE
in foxholes. Seems like O'Really has had a conversion. Could it be he has lost a bundle on the stock market?
I sure hope so.
billo's lost a wad.
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to Andrea Mackris
The first guy (Orally) is probably qualified to sell used cars.
The second guy (Rove) should be in an orange jumpsuit and shackles.
This passes for broadcast media?
I'm sorry. As an American, born and raised, living in Europe, I fully have the right and will use it to say that the US Media is completely and totally f-ed up. If I had the choice between Pravda and Fox, I'd go with Pravda. At least it would be intellectually stimulating.
isn't it amazing how the roles & perceptions of American media and that of our former adversary state media Pravda/Isvestia have flipped?
A while back, Pravda was openly state-run media/propagnda, now it is reversed, with the US Media conglomerates being outwardly independent, but covertly state-run.
And only a small percentage of Americans can recognize that.
When I was visiting Saint Petersburg in 2003, the press there had article about the U.S. invasion of Iraq and they were going through the history and actions of Prescott Bush before and during WWII, the ties of Bush senior to the Saudis, and acurately detailing all the reasons for a massive conflict of interest regarding Bush (and Cheney) family businesses and the U.S. invasion Iraq.
On the U.S. side - nada. There was no counter opinion during the Fall 2002 to Spring 2003.
I live in France. The media here is talking about how the French media, because there are about an equal number of Jewish and Muslim inhabitants in France, that the media feels the need to balance the coverage of damage equally between Israel and the Palestinians. They then make the point that this is a subject of concern since, just based on the facts, the damage to the Palestinians is maybe as much as 100 times the damage leveled on Israel.
The point is that people talk about these things in the media in Europe. They discuss conflicts of interest. The discuss biases. They openly admit there is bias and the risks.
In the US, the media is just a propaganda arm of the wealthy elites and corporations.
That is why I do not watch TV "news" or anything else for that matter.
Billo declaimed:
Translation: "I'm still relevant, no really, I'm still relevant!"
Now that's funny. :)
The DOW is already down over 200 points today and it's only been open a bit over an hour.
6 straight losing day, starting to look for 7000 again. Ruh-oh.
Wonder if Bush is considering pardoning Bernie Madoff? Its funny how the lawyers are claiming insanity but they still let him walk around with an ankle braclet.
http://www.soxfirst.com/50226711/madoffs_insa...
Here's one of many links. I guess it was just temporary insanity. He's OK now so that's why he's out.
Now the DOW seems to be flirting with 300. What happens when we run out of points? Do we close Wall Street?
The Bush legacy keeps on giving.
the DOW should probably be 6500 to 7500 before real growth can occur again.
I expect BillO will apologize, for anything, just after a herd of unicorns gallops across his set during one of his programs.
Larry Elder can fix his mouth to say that nobody could have seen this economic downturn coming. I saw it coming in Britain in September last year, and I am a lay person. Who the hell are we employing at these various institutions that are supposed to watch over this type of thing? Oh yeah, lickspittle cronies. Bush never sees anything coming. He was warned about the possible terrorist threats prior to 9/11, but sat on his hands. He was warned about Katrina, yet sat on his hands. Dude was supposed to be the first businsessman MBA president, but fucked everything up. Larry Elder should've stuck to presenting Moral Court.
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Or on the financial front, keeps on taking
What's the magic number that folks start taking to the ledges? 6000?
Thanks again Chimp! You've done a heckuva job.
It's just a damn shame this recession, border line depression, began in Bush's 8th year or he would have been able to blame it on Bill Clinton. I'm surprised he still didn't try it but I guess that would have been a leap even for Chimp.
bush did say that he came into office in a recession so that would put it back to Clinton at some level, at least in bush's eyes. An excuse is better than none, I guess.
He did say that didn't he? Very observant POP. Just like Chimp, tit for tat, admitting nothing, and small to the very end.
Billo: Damn the economy for not tanking until after the inauguration!
He's such a tart.
Bush the Misunderestimated disappeared entire towers, a planet's goodwill, a city, parts of the Constitution and Geneva Convention, thousands of soldiers, hundreds of thousands of jobs and several trillion dollars. David Copperfield is a piker by comparison.
let's not forget the millions of innocent people who have died (disappeared) in NY, NO, Iraq, Afghanistan and several other places round the globe.
Wow, the desperate O'Lielly Reslugs are showing that they are truely the bedwetters everybody knew them to be.
O'Reillyisms like the ones illustrated here are just the beginning of the well financed right wing onslaught that will be relentlessly pursued during the next four years. When dealing with people to whom facts are meaningless, complacency is most dangerous. It seems that since the election, some of the fire that led to the Obama rout of the Conservative establishment has been extinguished. Given the emotional investment that so many people had in the Obama campaign, some well-earned R & R before the inauguration should be expected. But we can't forget how many times the right has prevailed by the sheer force of will - the Bullying Factor that O'Reilly, Hannity and Co. have so expertly mastered needs to be countered by the truth. Stay aware.
What do Republicans really have to run on?
Taxcuts for the rich and trickle down economics.
Deregulation.
Perpetual warfare.
God.
The American people are talking about how to create a healthcare system and reindustrializing the nation.
Nobody wants to hear that crap that the GOP has to offer.
of sh*t. My youngest daughter was born in 1992. Where I live, we were basically in a recession that year. Construction did squat. I think I grossed like 15 grand that year. Since then, I have not seen a raise that is over the supposed inflation rate, meaning I actually earn less now, than I did in 1992. The entire world has been in a recession since that time. Only ones that weren't affected were the stock markets, and the rich. Well, that finally caught up with them, when the endless credit ended. Have there been jobs since 1992? Yep. Low wage crap that is below poverty level. Were companies hiring? Yep temp jobs through temp agencies that the companies own. If not for the supposed endless supply of credit, this fiasco would have happened years ago.
You are so right. The entire US economy has been artificially propped up on credit since God knows when, and it was only a matter of time before that credit bubble popped.
So this whole "nobody saw it coming" meme coming out of Cheney's ass is just that: hot air and bullshit.
the "nobody saw it coming" meme. Funny how I've been reading about it since 2003. As a result, I moved or kept money out of the stock market and lost only a tiny fraction of what little I did have in it. I skipped putting money in my 401k since 2004 and put it in precious metals. Now I hear relatively wealthy people I work with moaning about 40% to 50% losses in their IRA's , 401k's ... yada yada yada. I was warning them for about a year and a half and now when they look at me they have knives in their eyes...at least some of them. And NOW they listen to me with eager ears.
"O'Reilly: 'Ineffective at job creation'? What is that, semantics now? The economy is based on job creation. And you're saying it's ineffective. Ineffective? .....That's the biggest bunch of spit in the world."
In this case, Orally was almost right. Our corporate masters were successful is creating huge numbers of jobs: in foreign countries; at slave wages; with no benefits.
And, our capitalist economy is largely based on continuing job creation, decent wage levels, and ongoing consumer spending. This is why the depression we are quickly sliding into will be so damn destructive, not just here, but to all of the economies that the American consumer has been supporting over the years by spending our "funny money." Now the elites have pulled all the real cash (wealth) out of the system, leaving the rest of us to fight over the crumbs. Be prepared.
Like I said, they are all full of sh*t including these economist geniuses. The only thing that has kept this boat afloat was the supposed endless supply of credit. No place more obvious, than in the construction field. Watched it, even when Clinton was Prez. It was a credit orgy, with people borrowing on houses they couldn't afford, vehicles they couldn't afford, and oh, look at my new big screen! It was all a bogus line of crap. This isn't a conservative vs liberal, or left vs right issue. Both sides of the coin used the same twisted logic to "fix" everything they touched. Ah, borrow more, spend more. Go buy that tv. Go buy that car. Come on, you work at McD's part time, you can afford that 200,000 dollar house. Lose your job? Register with a corporate owned temp agency. They'll hire you for squat. It's all been one big charade.
It has to be credit now. After all the manufactuering is moved to third world countries, credit is all we have left. The thing that these corporatists didn't bother to figure out is that people that don't have good paying jobs cannot even afford to buy cheap products.
With the free trade bullshit they cut off our noses of to spite their own faces.
The only way the markets can expand faster then the population is if everyone has a good paying job or source of income.
People that are paid nothing for their work can pay nothing for the products they buy.
Greed is the culprit in our economic crisis, and ignorance of the long term consequenses brought about by the greed.
But it's working. The mainstream propagandists have convinced the left and right that it is a partisan issue. It isn't. Has nothing to do with your skin colour either. And still people really don't get it. Proof? Read any leftwing or rightwing blog. Lefts blame the right, and vice versa.
I think this is the basic flaw in capitalism. The Market has to be ever-expanding, like the Universe! Growth is King. But, resources are finite.....
So, we need to figure out a new economic system and we've got about a year...Ready?! GO!!!!!
Was thinking greed, yes. But also thinking deregulations and corporate monopolies. Capitalism prob would work, if the corrupt and fraudulent were kept out.
that ever be accomplished??
Of course, there is a large, well-known group of folks who are mostly responsible for all of the crap that happens in our world. Maybe we could assemble all of them (fewer than 5,000 I would imagine) at Gitmo and treat them to some "non-torture" for a few years..?!
Good point. I don't pretend to have all the answers. Wish I did. Something has to be done about the entire fiasco, but at the end of the day, you know nothing will. Short of civil wars, and basic world wars, nothing much can get changed. People are too brainwashed.
It's a german school of economic thought that I think would be very useful in rebuilding our country. The Neoliberal economic ideas that we have using in this country don't work.
Ordoliberal theory holds that the state must create a proper legal environment for the economy and maintain a healthy level of competition through measures that adhere to market principles. The concern is that, if the state does not take active measures to foster competition, firms with monopoly (or oligopoly) power will emerge, which will not only subvert the advantages offered by the market economy, but also possibly undermine good government, since strong economic power can be transformed into political power
This country has not been capitalist by any sense of the imagination. How can it be capitalist when the size of the government continues to grow? When there's tons of taxes, regulations, licenses, and all other sorts of barriers to entry in starting a business? When there is a central bank that controls the supply of money? This economy is very highly controlled- unfortunately central planners don't know how to plan the economy and that's how we get into this mess. We've had a weird mix of socialism/corporatism/mercantilism- but we've been the furthest thing from capitalism for a long time. The Soviet Union didn't fall because of a lack of democracy- but because of central planning.
I understand the anger towards the economic system we have now- but to call it capitalism is ridiculous and shows absolutely no sense.
that we'd be competing with students from all over the world. I didn't realize the competition was over who could work for the lowest wage and benefits.
I have a friend who's dad had a ton of success from 2002 through 2006 in the construction industry. There is no doubt in his, my friend's, or my mind that this was kept afloat by easy credit, or speculation on future growth (ie the last big baby boom, my generation, would be moving into these homes). Unfortunately, because the home prices got so ridiculous, my generation was unable to afford to move into these homes. What's really, truly scary, is that we're all graduating college, and there's no jobs, and we have massive loans.
I, myself, have dropped out of school, and I'm only 20k in debt so far. I figured, well, wtf? I'm teaching myself at school anyways, why can't I teach myself for free, and use the internet to start my own indie business, since the corporations are all in disarray because the executives at the top have all the money, and are wondering why there's no one who can afford to purchase their products. Everything is so simple to me, much simpler than some of the paranoid delusions I see on display here. It's why I can't buy the 911 conspiracy. The only conspiracy I see is that they realized Osama was about to lay the Neocon golden egg, and they did everything in their power to make sure it was able to happen. The idea that thousands of people in the government could orchestrate this without tens of thousands of other government people blowing the whistle is such a terrible loss-of-faith in the good of humanity that I just cannot fathom it. Some of you may have taken that leap, but I still see good around me.
The government needs to stop giving money to the banks, and start giving money to people who want to start small businesses.
And the government needs to stop making it tough for small businesses to succeed by taxing the shit out of them.
I am in agreement with billo the press is dishonest and is so dishonest particularly on the right as in fox cnn, abc , nbc, msnbc, corporate owned operated media that there is nothing they can do that will ever get me to listen or watch their fools programing ever again!
6 days till America is liberated.
Less than six days until another "major terrist attack" and Chimpy the War Preznit is "forced to declare martial law" to "proteck Murrika" from them evildoers.
I'm a basket case right now.
Why would that Maggot start doing the right thing now all of a sudden?
Yes, I'm paranoid; I'm just sayin...
...it's abject fear based upon real facts.
I've written here before about my concerns that Cheney/Bush made so many changes to our Constitution, implemented the Patriot Act, did about 800 signing statements, and who knows how many executive orders/presidentail directives (among them the infamous #51) ...that I doubted they would just walk away from all the power they've grabbed for the "unitary executive."
Bush famously said we'd have no problems if he were dictator. I'm still holding my breath - especially now since Israel (our fav war proxy child) is ramping up trouble in the ME.
Using the show 24 to justify torture...good god that's just incredibly weak and pathetic...
Do real people watch this loud, fool?
and from what I've read, it's mostly people my age(pushin' 60) and older that watch him.
Aging has made me skeptical of just about everything.
What's with the rest of these codgers?
Only "real" Americans.
...I can muster for people who faitfully listen to and believe whatever spewage issues from O'Reilly. This guy has always seemed like a used car salesman who got lucky during an audition for talk show hosts. He is the second rightie made to look foolish by Krugman, the first being George Will and his nonsense about the failure of the New Deal. Krugman schooled him just like he schooled O'Really.
What a bully boy ass hole. I can think of NOTHING redeeming about his character.....nada. A true fascist, brown shirt pig!
Andrea Mackris seconds that.
"Don't call me a liar, pal. That's what you do to me all the time, and I'm not gonna sit here and take it."
Heh! What a dickbag. Krugman should have kicked him in the shins right there.
"long complicated answer" "government interference"
elder was and is a cheerleader for this administration
despite the evidence on the ground, he accepted government numbers till the very end...the end of his career, he got fired by kabc radio
Yeah, I have no idea who he's referring to in the title of his book, but claiming that "no one saw it coming" WRT the recession is one of the most gobsmackingly stupid things I've ever heard.
I love it. Bill-O thinks he's going to teach Krugman something about economics.
...cause I know I could never do it.
Got to love Krugmans wild eyes searching for justice in the world while Billo spews his bile.
And BTW, Bill is the greatest challenge I have yet seen to the idea that man has evolved from apes. Yet.
Come on now...if you have that problem, hire a damned accountant to give you tax advise.
Less appealing than vomit.
"O’REILLY: All right, so you are agreeing with me then that there is a conscious effort on the part of The New York Times and other liberal media to basically paint as drastic a picture as possible, so that when Barack Obama takes office that anything is better than what we have now?
ROVE: Yes."
I object your Honor, Mr. O'Really is leading the witness.
If you admit that you were,how did you put it?.."absolutely dead, 100 percent wrong" Paul might let you hold his Nobel Prize-but you have to promise to use your "indoor voice" and play nice.
Rove(TURD BLOSSOM) is still breathing FREE FRESH AIR, I would like to see Rove(Turd Blossom) in a Orange Jump Suit with LEGG IRONS.
SEXUAL PREDATOR!
/any and all postings should label him as such
//Bill Oreilly, SEXUAL PREDATOR
if Obama tried to solicit sex from an unwilling colleague.
is a Keynesian numbskull. The inflationary policy will destroy the dollar in a few years. Of course Billo is a pure idiot.
they need to put into the public record where their money and wealth is located.
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