Pat Buchanan tells Lawrence O'Donnell to 'shut up'
By David Neiwert Thursday Apr 09, 2009 6:00pm
[H/t Heather]
Pat Buchanan really doesn't like it much when his opponents pin him down on his religious hypocrisy. Lawrence O'Donnell, on Hardball today, was admittedly relentless in trying to get Buchanan to fess up to complaining about Barack Obama speaking at Notre Dame while he had no problem with George W. Bush being there.
As O'Donnell points out repeatedly, the Catholic Church is every bit as opposed to the death penalty as it is abortion. And yet Pat -- who is fine with the death penalty -- thinks it's an outrage that Obama, who is adamantly pro-choice, is speaking at Notre Dame. Finally, Buchanan gets fed up and tells O'Donnell: "If you will shut up I will."
Pat thinks this is his winning argument:
Buchanan: Every unborn child is totally innocent. And in the United States, everybody who goes to execution is guilt of murdering someone, of taking innocent blood.
Um, not exactly.
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Someday Pat's ears are going to blow off the side of his head. Stay tuned.
Catholics are against abortion exceptin cases of rape or incest. Which means it's only murder to abort a fetus that was conceived in the back seat of a chevy.
Would Buchanan or any of the other "Good Catholics" make a child of fourteen or fifteen continue with a pregnancy in which her father was to be the baby's father? How cruel is that?
I think the church is opposed to all abortion. Hence the Brazilian bishop who excommunicated the 9-year-old girl who had an abortion because of incest, as well as her mother who authorized the procedure, but the incestuous father was still a member in good standing.
That said, good for O'Donnell, who correctly said the church does not distinguish between unborn children and murderers in its right to life concepts. And lest we all forget, there's the Biblical story of the sheep that left the flock. In it, the shepherd rejoices more over the one who repents and returns than over the 99 who have no need of repentence. Could it be that Jesus rejoices MORE over the murderer who repents than over the 99 unborn babies who have no need of repentence? So shouldn't the repentent murderer be more worthy of life?
The Catholic church is opposed to all abortion for any reason.
Pat needs to read his chosen Dogma a bit better. Every unborn child bears the original sin. You are born Damned according to the Catholic canon.
That's why each child is supposed to be baptized. Back in the day, the souls of babies who died and were not baptized were supposed to go to limbo. The church did away with that concept, however.
I watched this earlier tonight and thought O'Donnell TOTALLY PWNED Buchanan. His utter hypocrisy on who dies was appalling. I was cheering O'Donnell on! He was brilliant!
What a smackdown by O'Donnell! Fun to watch.
Mika versus Malkin?
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Bigot Buchanan calls O'Donnell hysterical then acts hysterical, then completely contradicts himself on the abortion/death penalty argument. Buchanan has zero business on television.
for ever 1 actual fighter doesn't seam to bother those christians at all?
Pat needs to rest but he's probably making too much money talkin sh$t.
Buchanan says that polls don't tell the truth; they just tell what the prevailing opinions are. I guess the prevailing opinions of Catholics are not as conservative as he thinks....wonder if he's seen this recent Gallup poll?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/117154/Catholics-S...
I turn the channel everytime I see they are going to allow the bigot Pat Buchanan to speak. The guy is still living out the Nixon administration, feels Nixon was right in his crimes, and that there is a war between his ilk and the hippies of the '60s. MS NBC would do well in retiring this hateful old man and cancelling Joe Scarborough who thinks he is still living in the 1990s. These two wackos ruin MSNBC programming. I am sure Lawrence schooled him because he has more intelligence that the entire flock of wingnuts who profess to be republicans. They just aren't that smart because they haven't accepted their failures yet. They do not understand that they put this country in the shape it is in with their failed ideology they keep pushing.
Who are these "compassionate conservatives" going to bomb when they grow up?
Eh?
Eh?
I didn't think so.....
We need tag team matches.
Nixon was indeed the gift that keeps on giving. Off the top of my head: Pat Buchanan, P. Liddy, Kissinger, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ben Stein... heck even Bush Sr, and Rove were indirectly a byproduct of that administration.
See why you need to prosecute and incarcerate cancerous growths in a democracy....
They're like a multi-headed hydras. Slice the head off one and another grows to take it;s place
I can't believe this old Nixon relic is still on teevee. He's got to be the most annoying person on that station right after the Scar. His opinions are like turds floating out of my television. I just wish they'd flush him out and get some new blood in there.
That was my favorite part -- when Buchanan got flustered enough to say it like it is: most Catholics are Cafeteria Catholics. He's just pissed that Obama doesn't support the edicts Buchanan picked from the list of dos and don'ts. And of course O'Donnell didn't miss a beat -- "Most Catholics support the right to choose!"
Lawrence O'Donnell is a smart, knowledgeable, seasoned political fighter who is at his best when he stands up to assholes like Buchanan. That was great.
and the great thing about this particular segment of Hardball was that Tweety wasn't there to jump into the fray. Mike Barnicle allowed O'Donnell to show Buchanan for the hypocrite he is. It was great!
I still think O'Donnell and Maddow should do MTP on alternating weeks! Is that a great idea or what? They can trade both Buchanan and Gregory to Fox for a real journalist to be named later.
Par "Everyone of those people who are executed killed someone!" Bush and Cheney has killed far more innocent people that those people Bush put to death., where is Bush and Cheney now? Scot free and wallowing in money. The man who signed alls those death warrants as governor of Texas yet who has killed far more people. Republican hypocrisy knows no depths and limits.
"Everyone of those people who are executed killed someone!" Oh really? What about those who were vindicated both before being put to death and sometimes afterwards Pat? Those who couldn't afford the quality big city lawyers Republicans hire to get them off their crimes? Public defenders who sometimes sleep during trail.
Pat's just another angry right wing buffon who reminds me of overy woman's ex-husband. Having a sister who looks like James Carville in drag is no reason to take your anger out on the rest of us Pat.
...and those executed because they were considered a part of the crime, and doing so 'knowingly' is not considered a defense. There are too many examples of people executed despite not being the actual killer, but a 'party to the crime',with many examples of no foreknowledge of the crime-and some totally spontaneous events that lead to a death where it was determined a 'crime' had also occurred.I think others here know enuf' about this here that there is no reason to say more..other than I read somewhere that the Democrats in Tx are trying to legislate that horrible 'execution multiplier' off the 'books'.
Pat needs a good tea bagging.
Actually, according to orthodox Christianity including Catholics, barring any recent changes, babies are born into a state of sin, and bear the Original Sin.
St Augustine so hated the birth process he said we're all born between urine and feces.
Otherwise, what would we need salvation from?
equating these two is kinda goofy isn't it?
Not really, however the death penalty is the action of the government after due process, so my prefered analogy is abortion=war.
Soldiers on both sides who are killing each other are not guilty of anything other than obeying their governments commands to suit up and ship out, and neither deserve to die.
proclaiming themselves as the party of life while yet supporting executions, they should be called out for hypocrisy.
You're right about the over-simplistic label they've assigned to themselves.
And considering Jesus was an executed criminal in the eyes of the state, they don't see the irony of that.
Irony is one mineral they're woefully lacking in.
Would it be considered perverted if buchanan took a Fem-Iron?
However, I should state unequivocably that I don't consider abortion murder since most are done in the first trimester, before even the basics of a working nervous system are in place.
That's like looking at a pile of boards and a bucket of nails and insisting it's a house, since it could eventually be used to make a house.
And traditionally a baby was alive during the period of "quickening," when it's actually moving around in the womb, or at first breath. The Bible said:
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
Genesis 2:7 KJV
In other words, Adam wasn't alive until he was breathing on his own.
Thank you for pointing that out, ys. It's always great to add another arrow to one's debating quiver.
One morning the husband returns after several hours of fishing and decides to take a nap. Although not familiar with the lake, the wife decides to take the boat out. She motors out a short distance, anchors, and reads her book.
Along comes a Game Warden in his boat. He pulls up alongside the woman and says, ‘Good morning, Ma’am. What are you doing?’
‘Reading a book,’ she replies, (thinking , ‘Isn’t that obvious ? ‘)
‘You’re in a Restricted Fishing Area,’ he informs her.
‘I’m sorry, officer, but I’m not fishing. I’m reading’
‘Yes, but you have all the equipment. For all I know you could start at any moment. I’ll have to take you in and write you up.’
‘For reading a book,’ she replies ,
‘You’re in a Restricted Fishing Area,’ he informs her again, ‘I’m sorry, officer, but I’m not fishing. I’m reading’
‘Yes, but you have all the equipment. For all I know you could start at any moment. I’ll have to take you in and write you up.’
‘If you do that, I’ll have to charge you with sexual assault, says the woman.
‘But I haven’t even touched you,’ says the game warden.
‘That’s true, but you have all the equipment. For all I know you could start at any moment.’
‘Have a nice day ma’am,’ and he left.
MORAL: Never argue with a woman who reads. It’s likely she can also think.
A pregnancy is not a human life:
An embryo, a fetus, and even an infant 29 days old or less is not a person:
Of course, The Church doesn't pretend that every word of the Bible is literal inerrant truth. But still.
Actually, depending on which church, they sure fucking do. That's why it can be so much fun to argue with those people - they don't get that their assumptions about the book being literally true are completely impossible to uphold.
I copied that.
It doesn't seem relevant to me since I presume it's largely for census purposes.
However, the last part certainly applies for abortion, especially considering it's presented as a civil case the father could raise, NOT the government.
And of course the underlying assumption.
He didn't say "shut up" or tell O'Donnell to "shut up": he said "If you shut up." Big difference, and I hate it when one of my favorite websites overstates in this manner.
On another note, Buchanan's pious right-wing hackery truly was pwned by O'Donnell; almost made me feel sorry for Mr.Crosstalk. Almost.
Then why didn't buchanan simply say, "Let me finish my answer," or, "The interviewer directed his question at me?"
All you're doing is quibbling.
Pat Buchanan: And in the United States, everybody who goes to execution is guilt of murdering someone, of taking innocent blood.
Mohandas K. Gandhi: For myself, I believe we are all such sinners that we should leave punishment to God.
Way to put your religion ahead of the pack there, Patty Boy.
The Innocence Project. No, not everyone who is executed is guilty.
They're either going to heaven or hell someday anyway
That's the way most republicans see it
Pat Buchanan was looking for someone new for the US to kill. Can you believe it the president of CFR that was talking him down.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/#30134121
@10:03 Pat:"For heavens sake you cant find someone in Somalia!"
According to Rev. Pat Robertson: The wars of extermination have given a lot of people trouble unless they understand fully what was going on. The people in the land of Palestine were very wicked. They were given over to idolatry. They sacrificed their children. They had all kinds of abominable sex practices. They were having sex apparently with animals. They were having sex men with men and women with women. They were committing adultery and fornication. They were serving idols. As I say, they were offering their children up, and they were forsaking God.
God told the Israelites to kill them all: men, women and children; to destroy them. And that seems like a terrible thing to do. Is it or isn't it? Well, let us assume that there were two thousand of them or ten thousand of them living in the land, or whatever number, I don't have the exact number, but pick a number. And God said, "Kill them all." Well, that would seem hard, wouldn't it? But that would be 10,000 people who probably would go to hell. But if they stayed and reproduced, in thirty, forty or fifty or sixty or a hundred more years there could conceivably be ... ten thousand would grow to a hundred, a hundred thousand conceivably could grow to a million, and there would be a million people who would have to spend an eternity in Hell! And it is far more merciful to take away a few than to see in the future a hundred years down the road, and say, "Well, I'll have to take away a million people, that will be forever apart from God because the abomination is there." It's like a contagion. God saw that there was no cure for it. It wasn't going to change, and all they would do is cause trouble for the Israelites and pull the Israelites away from God and prevent the truth of God from reaching the earth. And so God in love -- and that was a loving thing -- took away a small number that he might not have to take away a large number.
That reminds me of a Calvin and Hobbes comic strip where they were discussing Santa Claus. Calvin was asking about why all the secrecy? If Santa exists why doesn't he just show himself, and if he doesn't exist what's the point?
Hobbes answers isn't this supposed to be a religious holiday?
And Calvin answers, actually I have the same questions about God.
Hoo doggy, ain't that a knee slapper.
I've always suspected and confirmed with a Bill Watterson interview in a collection of Calvin and Hobbes strips, that he did name them after John Calvin and Thomas Hobbes.
So, considering that religion has accounted for more mass murder, by far, than any other "philosophy" in history (yeah, I know Stalin killed plenty in the name of secularism, and Hitler killed plenty also - with "God is with Us" emblazoned on the uniform of the SS), God would undoubtedly approve of the extermination of all religious people.
Understand that this is a "loving" proposition, and that "in love" we would be doing God's will.
I guess this never crosses these idiots minds either:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution
he completely ignored the study that showed that possibly hundreds and certainly dozens in Texas died because booosh and goonzales simply rubberstamped execution orders and ignored pleas of innocence. boosh even executed a retarded man who was probably innocent and was simply talked into confessing to a murder.
fuck bucKKKanan
I could not stop laughing when O'Donnell got Buchanan to essentially say that the pope was wrong if he said that the death penalty was wrong, in reference to pope John Paul III; and then immediately drew the logical conclusion that if the pope can be wrong on the death penalty (so much for infallibility), then that necessarily means that the pope can be wrong on the issue of stem cell research/abortion.
That's the exact moment when Buchanan got owned. I had the same reaction I would have had to a nasty hit by a DB on an unsuspecting receiver; it was ugly. You can actually see the wind being taken out of Pat's sails at that very moment.
I was embarrassed.......but then I realized I wasn't Pat Buchanan.
Robert
Lawrence O’Donnell put a bitch slapping on Pat Buchanan. Buchanan was gasping for air. O’Donnell made excellent points and the only response Buchanan could muster was to filibuster.
It was great. Pat's voice just got higher and higher the more frustrated he got.
The outright hypocrisy of these religious fanatics. I guarantee there are students having premarital sex at Notre Dame. I guarantee many of the student body are using condoms both of which is not allowed by the church.
I also guarantee every seat will filled when Obama speaks
I went to Catholic grade school and rejected the religion by the 3rd grade. It was when they told me my neighborhood friends were going to hell because they didn't go to a Catholic church.
Well, as Meatloaf once sang as applied to wanting, needing and loving and apparently Pat Buchanan applies to the true guilt of executionees, "Two out of three ain't bad."
...and tell ME what my church professes! Egads, what a bunch of hypocrital ass suckers.
Not surprising that this butt head spouts this nonsense. I haven't heard him say anything that sounds the least bit educated since he got his ass handed to him in the presidential election back some 10+ years ago.
Why does ANYONE care what this loser has to say???
That being said, I didn't care for the way the other guest badgered him and I don't care to listen to a yelling, insult match. Much rather hear rational discussion.
...your last point, but very often the alternative is to listen to some conservative dickbrain like Buchanan filibuster (and often lie) for 3/4 of the segment. See: the Blackwell segment a few entries down. Not that I am a big fan of Hitchens in particular, but Blackwell's performance was a stunning display of republican, droning hackery.
Actually, I will temper my point by adding that Pat actually is sort of entertaining in his wacky way and often gets to the point faster than his conservative brethren.
O'Donnell nails it.
"they tell you what prevailing opinion is."
bucky trips over his own words.
My god, Buchanan doesn't know the teachings of his own church. NO child, born or unborn, is totally innocent according to the Catholic church I grew up in. Ever hear of original sin, Pat? Unless we're all immaculately conceived we're all sin-burdened from the moment of conception. This guy is the worst of the whole lot of them.
...that capital punishment is acceptable because it in no way hampers the production of youngins for priests to bugger. Keep squeezin um out, please, and send Pat the afterbirth.
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Batsh!tcrazy Puchanan really has a hardon for the Bush.
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The prevailing opinion of the polls...
... The Nov. 5, 2008 poll said the (R)ushpublickin's were losers.
Let's let Batsh!t crazy Puchanan debate that poll.
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sorry, double posted...
... the new format messed me up... :/
can tell you this with complete assurance: Pat Buchanan - like most self-proclaimed "followers of Christ" - is out of his freakin' mind. He has no idea what the teachings of Jesus Christ are all about; instead he uses the name of Jesus to justify the fucked up things he believes and has been told to believe by other people who falsely fancy themselves followers of Jesus as well. In short, he is no more Christian than most atheists such as myself are.
Of course, why anyone would want to be a Christian - that is, a member of any organized religion named in honor of Jesus Christ - is beyond me. I will never understand the need to follow arbitrary, man-made rules that have absolutely nothing to do with the man in whose name the church pretends to act. Religion is (and always has been) poison and must be eliminated. Whatever good it does for some individuals is exceeded million-fold by the harm it does everybody else. Eventually, and appropriately, it will follow the dinosaur into extinction. It won't happen in my lifetime or even in the next thousand years probably, but religion will die. And thus reason will outlive religion, and the human race most certainly will be better off because of it.
boy those old repubs have a death grip on the wedge issues that worked. the culture war was his baby... and he ain't giving up that ghost.
The Pope is a bad Catholic, according to Buchanan:
"French President Nicholas Sarkozy received the title of honorary canon of the Basilica of St. John Lateran during his visit to Rome in 2007, a tradition that goes back centuries. Sarkozy, who also met Pope Benedict, supports legal abortion. The Vatican and the Diocese of Rome seemed to have no problem with honoring the twice-divorced Sarkozy, who says he is a Catholic." (ABCNews.com)
So if the frakkin' Pope can distinguish between a secular government leader and the Church's positions, can't the Univ. of Notre Dame?
SECONDLY: Former Presidents Reagan & George W. Bush have spoken on campus. DIVORCED President Reagan and PRO-CAPITAL PUNISHMENT & Iraq-war president Bush. Or does the Catholic doctrine only apply to DEMOCRATS?
A dumb 19 yr old and a scared 17 yr old(my eventual wife of 30 yrs) went to an abortion clinic when she was 13 weeks pregnant,they only did it up to 12 weeks so we got in the car and talked...she's now 33 with a lovely family of her own. It's crazy.
And your point?
Or more to my point: death - whether it be by abortion, homicide, suicide, accident, natural causes, whatever - changes everything.
I'm happy your decision not to have an abortion has brought you and your family happiness - and note that it was your decision to make, not the state's or the federal government's decision - but your happiness has no bearing on the issue at hand.
Yes, it's crazy all right, but in so many more ways than you're referring to here.
Larry unfortunately let Pat Buchanan frame the discussion and it went nowhere except to reveal Buchanan's pale whining underbelly.
Obama is pro-choice, not pro-abortion. Many of us pro-choicers are not pro-abortion for ourselves but just believe that we have no legal or moral right to make such a personal ethical or religious decision for anybody else.
"We need to do more than win an election or win the House or
win the presidency, my friends: we need to make this beloved
country of ours God's country once again."
[Pat Buchanan at the Christian Coalition 1995 Road to Victory Conference, as reported in the October 1995 issue of Church and State]
Wasn't Jesus a victim of torture and capital punishment by the state?
Fuckin' religion.
I'd like to see Pat Buchanan answer Christ on the question. Christ really didn't have any litmus test on whether or not to love any person. Christ accepted all - that's what the Christians love about him, I thought.
While I liked that the moderator allowed them to go at it and Buchanan is a moron; I'd have to say that even O'Donnell's position is seriously flawed. While I understand O'Donnell's point: that the church is opposed to the death penalty and abortion, his argument incorrectly assumes that the Catholic church is credible as a moral voice. I understand he was also calling these so-called Catholics at Notre Dame hypocrites, but his argument still misses the boat. The Catholic church does not understand morality.
And, what really gets lost is that I doubt these same Catholics spoke against Bush, the biggest warmonger, psychopath and personification of evil in my lifetime, so what is really going on? Isn't it perfectly obvious that these so-called priests are engaging in pure, partisan politics, which even Jesus warned them against doing. These people who oppose Obama are neither Catholic or Christian; they are the real source of the problem and Buchanan is one of 'em.
"And, what really gets lost is that I doubt these same Catholics spoke against Bush"
I thought Mr. O'Donnell did bring up the point that nobody protested - or, more likely, that the media simply did not cover those who protested - George W. Bush's appearance at Notre Dame right off the bat. Also, while I completely agree with you that the Catholic church is not credible as a moral voice, that point is moot as the argument between the wholly delusional Buchanan and much saner O'Donnell assumes that the church does have a credible opinion on matters of morality. The argument here concerns whether these protestors are being true to their religion (as Buchanan ineptly argues) or true to their political beliefs (as O'Donnell correctly argues). And since religion is still here, Mr. O'Donnell's argument - as flawed as it is in the grand scheme of things - is not flawed in this context. In fact, not only is it not flawed in this context, it is completely necessary.
Again, don't get me wrong: as somebody raised strict Catholic in a huge Catholic city with a decent number of friends who seriously believe I am going to a place called hell because I have completely rejected the notion that Jesus Christ was anything more than a wise teacher, I do not believe the Catholic church has much (if any) standing on moral issues. And it is not just the Catholic religion that corrupts humanity, it is all religion. Take religion out of the picture and you take silly little debates like this one out of the picture as well.
And while that certainly would make for a prettier picture, it's not possible to paint it just yet. Until that time, we need to be grateful for the verbal smackdowns administered to ignorant hypocrites like Pat Buchanan because these smackdowns are, slowly but surely, helping to make that picture possible.
At times like these, I'm glad to be an atheist. When an issue comes up that I'm not sure about, I THINK about it and use my own REASON and LOGIC and my personal set of MORALS to come up with an opinion. My beliefs are not dictated to me by a congregation.
...like Buchanan. Pro death penalty and anti choice? Do they even realize the cognitive dissonance in this position?
Last night O'Donnell put on public display why so many people like me have completely walked away from the Catholic Church. The Church has obviously abandoned all of its teachings except those that involve sex AND diminish the value of women. Sex is okay if it involves a priest and minor. Abortion is an absolute violation of all that is moral, but the Church can turn its back on capital punishment, social justice and the rights of workers and the theory of just war. I have to ask why it was okay for Bush to cause the death of so many Iraqi civilians (also innocent, Pat). This church, in which I was raised and whose institutions educated me, has simply become a mockery.
"This church, in which I was raised and whose institutions educated me, has simply become a mockery."
Actually, looking back on my upbringing, I believe it's safe to say the church always was a mockery; it's just that now I'm wise enough to see it for what it always was.
Most religions diminish the value of women, one of the many reasons I don't bother with it.
I went to Catholic school from Kindergarten to 8th grade. That was enough for me. The constant guilt trips and celibate men in dresses telling girls how many children they should have is pathetic.
Far be it from me to support Bush in any way; but, the Governor of Texas, Democrat or Republican, can not intervene in death penalty case unless it is recommended by the Board of Pardons and Paroles.
http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/vlibrary/outlin...
"When the entire appeals process has been exhausted, the Governor of the State of Texas still may have a limited power to grant clemency to the prisoner. In capital cases, the Governor has the constitutional authority to grant an offender one 30-day reprieve of a scheduled execution without a recommendation from the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles. Upon recommendation from the Board, the Governor may grant one or more reprieves in a capital case for any period of time that does not exceed the period recommended by the Board members. If the prisoner submits a timely request for a reprieve of execution, the Board must determine, by majority vote, whether to recommend to the Governor that a reprieve be granted. Similarly, if a death row inmate files a timely petition to the Board from for a commutation of sentence to a lesser punishment, such as life imprisonment, the Board will vote on whether to recommend the commutation to the Governor."
It's the law!
Sister Helen Prejean:
To distance himself from his legal and moral responsibility for executions, Bush often cited a Texas statute that says a governor may do nothing more than grant a thirty-day reprieve to an inmate unless the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles has recommended a broader grant of clemency. But any time he wanted to, Bush could have commuted a sentence or stopped an execution. By the end of his governorship Bush had appointed all eighteen members of the board of pardons. He could easily have ordered a thirty-day reprieve and gotten word to the board that he had doubts about the fairness of a case and wanted an investigation and hearings. But the Texas pardons board has been a farce...
" Buchanan: Every unborn child is totally innocent. And in the United States, everybody who goes to execution is guilt of murdering someone, of taking innocent blood. "
According to (Catholic) Christian doctrine, we are all born in sin - so Pat strikes out again. There is the Original Sin, the fall from paradise, etc.
Psalm 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb; They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.
Another example of someone picking and choosing which parts of 'the bible' coincide with his political objectives.
Happy Easter, everyone.
i LOVE the new media player! it's so cute with the little crook as the progress indicator! i want one! who ever came up with that was really creative!
If only we could be sure of that.
When is MSNBC gonna tell Pat to " Sit down and shut up"I don't know why any responsible network would want his opinion on anything. Of course, the only two things the networks are responsible for are muddying the waters and generating revenue. Truth and good reporting are optional.
my cable will be suspended indefinitely.
$0.00 → 0 Dollars, without any change...√
Buchanan is only one dumb fuck that is senile.
Pat would've damned himself out of his own mouth faster had Larry clammed up.
is an abject moron... but Scar REALLY gets under my skin... man is the very embodiment of smarmy
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