Pat Robertson denounces Islam: 'Not a religion,' but 'a violent political system,' wants adherents treated like Communists
By David Neiwert Tuesday Nov 10, 2009 8:00am
You just knew that when Holy Joe Lieberman started grandstanding about the Fort Hood massacre by demanding an investigation into whether or not Nidal Hasan "infiltrated" the military as a "terrorist", it was the kind of demagoguery that would bring out the worst in his fellow Islamophobes.
Sure enough. Here's Pat Robertson, yesterday on The 700 Club, following a report from Lee Webb on Lieberman's scenery-chewing act on Fox News Sunday:
Webb: Meanwhile, Pat, the Army Chief of Staff says he doesn't want a backlash against other Muslim soldiers because of Hasan's actions.
Robertson: Oh, worry about backlash, but the truth is that this guy was off his trolley and they should have gotten him out, but nobody wanted to go after him because of political correctness. We just don't talk about somebody's, quote, religion, even if the religion involves beheading infidels and pouring boiling oil down their throats. He wasn't hiding it.
I tell you what should happen, and I think is going to happen, is the families of those soldiers who were killed have an absolute, major lawsuit for damages against the United States government. There was a failure -- they should have, as Senator Lieberman said, this man should have been gone, he should have been out of the service.
Just imagine -- our young men -- brave defenders of the freedom we enjoy, having to sit in psychological evaluation in front of this man. Just think what that means. Just think what it would do to their psyches.
Whew. It was a horrible chapter, but if we don't stop covering up what Islam is -- Islam is a violent -- I was gonna say religion, but it's not a religion, it's a political system, a violent political system bent on the overthrow of the governments of the world and -- and -- and world domination. That is the ultimate aim.
And they talk about infidels and all this -- but the truth is, that's what the game is. So you're dealing with a -- not a religion, you're dealing with a political system.
And I think we should treat it as such, and treat its adherents as such, as we would members of the Communist Party or members of some fascist group.
That's just classic hatemongering. In the name of Jesus, of course.
We know that demagoguery like Lieberman's always produces vicious ethnic and religious garbage, usually on the street level. Seeing it voiced so high up the religious-right food chain, though, is disturbing.
Of course, Robertson wasn't much worse than Michelle Malkin on Glenn Beck's show later that day. But then, we've known about Malkin's racist lust for racial profiling of Muslims for a long time.
But rhetoric like this always unleashes the worst in Americans, like opening an evil Pandora's Box.
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sounds like any other religion come to think of it
this
they're all stupid.
it's just too bad that we have to work so hard to keep the US from being identified as the purveyor of one of them..
this dillweed doesn't help things.
(gratuitous, self-referential post)
http://tofubo.blogspot.com/2007/06/from-june-...
a few places are compiled at
http://www.evilbible.com/
when pat gets to the pearly gates
michael is going to kick his ass
all the way to hell.....
what a bag of sh*t is the a$$hole.
of course pat has forgotten the crusades, that
is if he ever read about them. christianity
has murdered innocents thru out their dark history.
and let's not forget the inquisition...just another
holiday picknick from the sainted fucking christians.
and the witch hunt in America. boy that was
certainly a loving way of respect...pat is a hypocrite
douche bag.
ANY religion in an extreme is dangerous. And "Christians" can be just as 'blood-thirsty' as anyone.
Muslims should be legally bound to wear a crescent patch in a prominent place on their clothing.
They should also be relegated to living in specific locations so as not to endanger the general public.
Later, they can be selected for age and profession and the old, infirm and unproductive members can be sent to special places where they will be provided with shower facilities and dormitories.
this is not funny even as a joke.
you are a racist.
and I don't believe the author of the post is being racist by framing the intent of the Right in this manner. And this is not that far-fetched.
Remember, Michelle Malkin has already come out professionally in favor of internment camps. Ann Coulter has publicly stated that we should kill all Muslim leaders and convert Muslims to Christianity. Billy Graham's son, Frankiln Graham, has stated that all Muslims are evil. And they're just a few. Think about the signs and the things that have been said by the Teabaggers.
There are people in this country who would feel completely entitled to treat Muslim Americans this way.
You're right that it isn't funny - but don't blame the poster for stating the truth in Swiftian terms.
So racist isn't the correct epithet. "Bigot" I think works as it's more general-purpose.
And no, it's not funny, it's scary. When people can go on National TV and speak this way and not be immediately discredited, there is something wrong.
Supposedly the Germans got the word bigot, mimicking Christian Missionaries, "Bei Gott," during their Pagan days.
with this statement i completely agree.
i took your first as serious, my bad.
them???
boy, that's a relief.
... an Irony Deficiency.
You probably think eating babies was an actual premise of Jonathan Swift's Modest Proposal.
You are spot on. Ignore the sensitivities - tribal points of view. Racist? Whether you are or not is something only you know - but your comment is clearly not racist.
Robertson on the other hand is as deranged and delusional as any of these 14th century curmudgeons out there. A human with serious, deadly cerebral atrophy - and all-too-quick to promote mass murder (so long as his tribe remain the camp guards and overlords).
Pathetic society where folks of this ilk are able to command (sad to admit) so much audience....
Yup. I knew exactly what this poster was talking about the second I read it. I'm definitely more offended by those who would love nothing better than to promote this..um...'solution'. And we all pretty much know who they are.
....has been flagged!
I think ol' Pat is a kook! He can't even play nice with other Xtians!
I'm just envious that Pat Robertson can love a person without being nice to them. I have nothing substantial to base my opinion on this, but I have a feeling Mrs. Robertson can attest to that claim.
I mean physically of course...spiritually and mentally he is a stillbirth.
Islam has shariah, Christianity has Robertson.
have their versions of Mullahs and Talliban - it's the first sign that they are devolving from religions into cults.
"as we would members of...some fascist group."
You know, like the 700 Club.
Notice the term "Islamist," which conveniently sounds like Fascist--everyone is using it to refer to fundamentalists within the Islamic faith. But interestingly, there is no equivalent term in Christianity or Judaism, even though they clearly have their radicalized, zealot counterparts. Why isn't Pat called a Christian-ist? Why isn't Joe Lieberman a Juda-ist?
I just find that really interesting.
Christianity is a violent, well I was going to say religion but it is really a political system bent on the overthrow of the governments of the world and world domination. That is their aim.
Hmm. Works just as well don't it?
...Whew. It was a horrible chapter, but if we don't stop covering up what Christianity is -- Christianity is a violent -- I was gonna say religion, but it's not a religion, it's a political system, a violent political system bent on the overthrow of the governments of the world and -- and -- and world domination. That is the ultimate aim.
And they talk about pagans and all this -- but the truth is, that's what the game is. So you're dealing with a -- not a religion, you're dealing with a political system.
Which brings directly to mind this little ditty:
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me."
-Martin Niemoller
NPR said this AM that Hasan was evaluated by terrorism officials over a year ago (under Bush admin) and determined to pose no threat.
Hmmm, seems familiar. I wonder if Bush was on vacation then?
They've made Hasan into Their Pet Goat.
"...so send your non-deductible gift of $25 or more to the 700 Club to help stop this scourge."
Indeed, Pat, nobody wants religion interfering in political systems, right?
More evidence of Pat's God having an ironic sense of humor.
that he rides a fixed speed bike, wears retro tshirts and listens to the Pixies.
...like this hopeless POS Robertson over here, we wouldn't need to fight anyone over anything, anywhere.
It's an excuse. For evil. It means that you're ALWAYS right.
It means you're not better (heh heh) just forgiven for whatever unspeakable act that you might choose to perpetrate.
It's your invisible imaginary omnipotent creator and source of the infinite who just happens to be as worried about what people do with their pee-pees and va-jay-jays as you are.
Islam and Christianity are both religions. By far the most of people who practice either are peace loving people.
I personally don't agree with their religions, but we have many discussions about my POV and theirs.
I suggest we all go to a local church, synagogue and mosque and talk to them. It's amazing what we can learn from each other.
That only works if you have an open mind.
a cool change
Pat's God obviously has an ironic sense of humor. Why else cause the world's three largest religions to be rooted in the same small geographical area?
It was all part of the plan...
;o}
They can keep Jerusalem. Personally I think Humboldt County, California is the Holy land. God gave us wood, fish and lots of Pot, and I think He's awesome.
Does anyone see the irony of Robinson speaking about someone as being "off his trolley", or is it just me.
I know you are, but what am I?
Is it any wonder why God hasn't called Pat Robertson home?
Proof that there isn't one.
God doesn't want him there as much as we want Pat outta here.
afterall, he's the chairman of the Homeland Security committee - no?
Joe and his buds have fallen down on the job and allowed another 'attack on the homeland' on their watch.
And, how can Robertson continue to spew this sanctimonious Xian crap?
He ought to get himself a couple history books and read up. And, then he could also check out the US "Imperial" foreign policy for the last half century or so. Certainly the good Xians leading our country have not fomented any violence....anywhere...in the name of gawd!
You are right! Our first attack since
911,Anthrax,Spain,Bali,London, Virginia Tech! Our safety record is broken. :(and pass the basket
He worships the AntiChrist as does Sarah Palin and Phelphs. If they call themselves Christians and spout hate they are worshiping the AntiChrist. For some reason real loving Christians remain silent and thus they get away with their blasphemy. It's hilarious in a very dark comedic way. God has a very special surprise for them on judgment day. Good jokes have the best pay offs.
Pat will soon join his soul mate Jerry Falwell for a toasty eternity.
In some ways, I wish there was a such thing as a fair god who ordained on judgment day. Then I would feel some comfort in knowing that people like Pat Roberts and Jerry Falwell would rot away in the hell they threatened. However, I don't believe in god, so I know Roberts carcass will see the same fate as mine: rotting, decomposing and becoming part of the earth.
Maybe someone will bury him near a toxic dump.
"I used to complain about how unfair life was, and then I thought, 'What if life was entirely fair, and every bad thing that happened to us was because we deserved it?' So now I take great comfort in the general unfairness of the universe."
-- Marcus Cole, Babylon 5
Tue, 11/10/2009 - 08:26 — westerberg
For a second there I thought you said a fairy god.
God hates fairies.
Tinkerbell has been in hiding.
the beheading?
If before, I know what that's like, as I've eaten McDonalds fries before...
The reference was to Hell so you get your head lopped off and then the boiling oil and then the head back on. Or vice versa. Rinse and repeat as necessary.
What's ironic is that the boiling oil down the throat thing was a Christian method (in real-life, not Hell) at the time of the rise of Islam. The Byzantines believed that it was more copacetic to kill someone, from a religious PoV, if no blood was spilled so pouring boiling oil or molten lead (molten gold if you were an aristocrat, lucky duckies) down someone's throat avoided that.
Lovely people the Byzantines.
Good to know.
Thanks.
Good publicity for the gun rights lobby. Maybe now they will start to allow people to carry guns on army bases. Oh wait....
Joe Lieberman and Pat(voice of satan) Robertson hate our troops???
http://www.alternet.org/world/143837/10_suici...
The far right Christians are the exact same way so I don't know what he's talking about. Murder everyone who don't agree with them.
I heard one far-right Christian on TV a few years ago arguing that one element of militant Islam is they do not seperate between the Noly and the Sacred, so don't confine their religion to just their Holy Days.
I couldn't tell if he was denouncing the custom or expressing envy.
sure, he is a religious bigot. fine.
but, at least he is consistent in his defense of dictators. when pat robertson supports and befriends bloodthirsty dictators they are christian--muslims need not apply*.
Mobutu Sese Seko, check.
charles taylor, check.
jorge serrano, check.
Efrain Rios Montt, check.
[*that is, unless they are filthy rich and willing to give uncle patsy a cut]
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means one isn't a dictator. Usually. And Pat(voice of satan) Robertson wants to kill Chavez not support him. Most likely because he isn't a dictator and isn't bat shit crazy far right wing too.
thinking about a sin was the same as doing it, isn't Pat a murderer?
... both Holy Joe and Rev. Pat are making a large and dangerous assumption - that the views common to radical Islam can be recognized in the course of routine monitoring and a program to maintain ideological/political purity.
Instead, what would be more likely is that such thought/activity would then go 'underground' and pose an even greater risk of blindsiding us when it manifests in violent activity.
And funny how these 'small government' types seem to have plenty of desire for the government to be policing our brains.
"that the views common to radical
IslamChristianity can be recognized in the course of routine monitoring and a program to maintain ideological/political purity.... cause we all saw Scott Roeder coming, didn't we?
Roeder's defense is that he is above the law - because he and his friends say he is.
See, he knows what God wants, so our laws don't apply.
But no talk of purging us of this kind of fanatic - he's white.
"You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic."
Doris Egan, House M.D., House vs. God, 2006
"I feel like God wants me to run for President."
GWB
"God told me to invade Iraq"
GWB
Tue, 11/10/2009 - 08:39 — Shadowgm
... cause we all saw Scott Roeder coming, didn't we?
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He made video porn?
It's a religion
Of the Abrahamic cut
But like the others demand to be acknowledges as THE TRUTH and THE WAY,
And cutting itself off from is predessors (like Zoroastrians),
And even persecuting them (Christians/Jews).
Speaking of "The Way", Rat on Rat Holy War
suggest purging us of the most violent group in America - white guys.
(apologies to all decent white guys out there)
No one suggested purging white guys after McVeigh or the unibomber or the Olympic bomber or the mass rapes at the Air Force Academy. When a white guy is violent it's always an isolated incident - even if the white guy is a member of a violent terrorist group, like McVeigh or the Olympic bomber, or if the white guys are part of groups that use the power of the group to cover up and abet violence - like the ubiquitous rapes in the military and the Catholic Church.
Pat Robertson, like Falwell and the rest of the Christofascists, is responsible for inciting more violence than any Muslim American has ever done.
When I hear any person complain about the blacks or the browns or the foreigners, I point out the fact that white people, more than anyone else, have taken from them, dis-enfranchised them, kept them down and occupied their jobs more than any other race has, so you have to look at your problems separate from race, or the biggest enemy becomes your own kind.
WTF is a "white guy"? Tribal self-identification has no legitimate rational biological basis. It's just crap.
but then you have numbnuts like Glenn Beck declaring that President Obama hates "white culture". WTF is white culture? I'm white and I don't kinow what the hell that means. (Having the large economy size container of mayo in the fridge? Inability to dance well?) But I do know that there are a lot of people in this country who identify only as whites, and that identity is one of being seperate from all non-whites. And an awful lot of them are freaking out because they think they are losing control.
They are - but not for the reason they think. They aren't losing control to non-whites, they've already lost control to the mega-corporations. But that's way too ephemeral for most of them - its so much easier to blame someone who looks, sounds, or prays a little differently.
You have expressed these sentiments once too often. We know who we are and hormonal instinct tells us when to attack as one.
is how whites have always screamed about being the victims the whole time they're murdering, raping, stealing. We did it to the Native Americans, and everyone of color who has come here. Europeans did it to Muslims, Hitler did it to the Jews. The Church did it to anyone not a member of the Church.
In every instance, the attackers blamed the victims for the attacks.
Now Scott Roeder is planning on a defense that states that he had to kill Dr. Tiller because Dr. Tiller made him do it because Tiller wouldn't conform to Roeder's beliefs - so, of course, he had to kill him.
Makes perfect sense, right? I bet it droes to Pat Robertson,
However, I watched the link you provided to Glenn Beck and believe Michelle Malkin's comments should have been the focus of this post.
I never knew this remarkable young woman could speak German.
Oh yeah and here's her German teacher, Nina Hagen
H/T ys, thanks. This chick rocks!
if it were not for her "binky" earrings, which pacified me into a womblike comfort zone equaled only to the state of bliss acheived by natural mother's soy formula.
Tue, 11/10/2009 - 08:48 — curtilingus
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My favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JBeZUwhAqM
in all hate-speech
"...it's a political system, a violent political system bent on the overthrow of the governments of the world and -- and -- and world domination. That is the ultimate aim."
been killing communists since 1918?
And if measured against Iran. The USA is way more responsible for the deaths of the others citizens than vice versa....
When we preach about nuclear weapons when we are the only country to have used one on a civilian population.
"Do as we say - not as we do"
so why compare?
That's 'cause we know best and everybody should be like us.
Or we can use our military to convince them!
handed down to us by an all knowing God or love and, where apporpriatew, everlasting punishment. We also have the best education system, health care, and emphasis on human rights to own firearms.
At least Pat Robertson gives people a good sense of what conservative Christian values are all about. Keep opening that big trap of yours, Pat. Open another worthless diploma mill.
Can you feel the love?
When you volunteer for the Armed Services. And it's very hard to win any case even when they would actually be at fault. Unlike this case.
there is no legal recourse for active duty members of the military - or their families - to sue the military or the feds.
Civilians don't seem to get this; you give up your civil rights when you join. Period. You agree to abide by the UCMJ in all things. You exist outside of the Constitution and your garunteed rights as a citizen.
rights, and the taker is the government that supposedly gives them to you. Sweet, huh?
When my grandmother started rambling and talking nonsense, we had to hospitalize her.
Republicans give the Mentally Ill their own TV shows.
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Everything he has he built when God showed him the path to the right door.
I think it proves that God has a wicked sense of humor.
shall unleash instead His flowing faucets of wrath.
Too funny.
of purgatory. God is great was just the first of his many alliterations. Let their be light was second.
The crazier they sound the more RWNJ's will listen and since they sound so effin crazy they MUST be close to God.
There's a tax exemption for the mentally ill but you have to form your own church to get it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG5lJNXy66w
Oh, yeah. That's what the Nazis said about the Jews.
Heil Hitler.
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
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I guess you can say they should've seen it coming.
Actually, several this week.
They're too busy fettishizing over that OTHER quote from Leviticus.
He wants them "treated like communists"? What does that mean? It's not illegal or immoral to be be a communist. I'm pretty sure it's immoral to be Pat Robertson.
It means we take your small plot of land and send you to the tractor factory.
still tax exempt?
I still don't want Pat Robertson's God dictating our laws.
Hey Pat: "Get your theocracy off my democracy!"
You got theocracy on my democracy!
And you got democracy on my theocracy!
I wanna piece of Reese Witherspoon...
you've done your share of divisive harm. Go off to your "better place" already.
the better place for Pat will be to immediately reincarnate as a poor, physically and mentally handicapped, non-white, illegal alien, woman.
destined to be overlooked in a freezer for eternity.
and a cigarette outside of the 7-11 on Lee Rd in Orlando...
here in Austin Texas and going by the name "George P. Bush."
I'll try and find a link.
Making people worry that Islam MIGHT take over politics distracts them from the fact that Christianity actually HAS taken over politics.
Hit the nail right on the head Slappy.
This.
Nothing else needs to be added.
The Count nailed it.
http://rriderlausd.org/blog2/wp-content/uploa...
How?
You have to cross two oceans, take over every city, every town, every parish, and be in a position to force every last man, woman, and child to observe Shari'a Law.
Hell, Christians can't even convince people we need to have school prayer and the Ten Commandments shoved up our noses.
But somehow, Teh Isl@m gonna come here and take over, and all these loudmouthed holy rollers, they're just gonna bow their heads and quietly obey the new authorities.
infidel infiltrators think.
wanted American Christians in SA (or any predominant Muslim country) treated the same way? We, did, after all, invade Iraq illegally - kinda' violent, huh?
Shock and Awe BABY!
whether it comes from islam, christianity, or any other organized religious belief cult.
We just have to keep it out of our body politic - though that seems an impossible task.
Christian polticians like Rep. Steve King and others at the state and local level are busy passing resolutions and laws citing the Christian origins of our country. They want this primarily to have a means to dispute Jefferson's 'separation of church and state' concept as espoused in his letter to the Danbury Baptists.
Keep spinning your wheels, King. Keeps you away from important matters.
... clowns like King and Sarah Palin are on a fact-heavy diet to begin with?
Christianity has its Taliban and he's right in the middle of it. Were CIVIL law in this country in line with what the NRA wants, Robertson and his crowd would be patrolling neighborhoods with AK-47's to enforce their righteous views. Lieberman would carry an Uzi. :-)
woman? Perfect.
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It's just a cartoon Madge, why are you getting so upset?
...who subscribes to and promulgates the sick, delusional belief system called Christianity, which is just one of the two Jewish sects. The other is Islam.
As far as being treated like communists, is Robertson saying that there should be an Islamic Party along with the Republican and Democratic Parties in the United States (along with American Independent, Socialist, Conservative, Green, etc.)???
It is perfectly legal to be a communist in the United states, to form a Communist Party and to run Communist party candidates for public office. It would be illegal to attempt to prevent communists from enjoying full civil and political rights along with all Americans. What is wrong with Robertson? Is he so deluded by the insanity of his religion that he can't perceive reality?
.... along the lines of HUAC and the Japanese Internment.
Christianity is as much to blame for the ills of the world and more insidious..
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Sounds like he's channeling Hitler very well.
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The Monkey is at it again . This guy is a shyster , as a Christian he is a fraud and he is flat out nuts . Our history in dealing with the middle east from way way back to the present is criminal ,absolutely shameful , that couldn't have anything at all to do with why they resent or hate us now could it Pat ? What a jackass !
Only an idiot sucker would take this con artist/ freak seriously.
"He is simply a shiver looking for a spine to run up." - Paul Keating
What Pat Roberson spews is not christianity (what ever that means) it's just another version of a historical fairy tale that he made up so he could make some money off the stupid. As long as you believe anything else he spews, some will believe and he gets to continue his slime trail. Others will see the other side of reality and Robertson and his band of slime merchants will disappear in a puff of smoke....Poof !!! All gone....
silver crosses, golden stars, green crescents, yellow fish, and blue menorahs
they're magically delicious!
why would you even give this guy any face time on this blog?
have you ever heard that if you ignore them they go away.
i say this site has a severe case of munchausen by proxy syndrome.
for the few minutes this is up before it gets deleted by the gatekeepers think about it.
... because ignoring Rush Limbaugh made him go away.
... because ignoring Jerry Falwell made him go away.
... because ignoring Glenn Beck made him go away.
At some point, you have to stand up and say, "This is wrong."
yes stand up and say it is wrong... to his face or the 700 club, but putting it up here is asking for the already converted to go tsk,tsk, more red meat. what does it accomplish?
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