C&L's AOL Hot Seat Poll: How serious is the problem of radical right-wing extremism in the US?
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It's been very illuminating to watch the non-existent conservative leaders in this country freak out over the new DHS terrorism bulletin.
Why would people like Malkin, Beck, Hannity and Pat Robertson be so offended by a report that is made to only send up a warning flare about the possible people who could go off the deep end and be the next Poplawski? Glenn Beck was so shaken up about our reporting that he made some fanatical reference to himself as just being a flight attendant.
Police officers over the weekend were killed by a crazy with a gun and blaming anybody else besides him is like blaming the flight attendant after a terrorist takes down a plane. Giving passengers a nice little safety talk to prepare them doesn't mean your responsible should a terrorist actually make that worst case scenario happen.
It's called "guilt." Not guilt by association, but a deep down personal knowledge that tingles someplace locked far, far away. There's a "knowing" that what one is doing is contributing to the madness all around us, but scream in denial that we're out to get them.
It's like the alcoholic saying they can stop drinking at any time as they are being hauled off in an ambulance, red lights a blazin' in a full body brace as they struggle to look back to see if there is one last drink left in the broken bottle of Tanqueray in the front seat of their car that is wrapped around a telephone poll. Two people are left bleeding on the road, moaning in pain while a third isn't moving at all.
As C&L's David Neiwert writes:
In fact, Smith confirms everything we've reported here: Not only is the report focused entirely on the very real problem of the lethally violent potential of extremist right-wing terrorism, but mainstream conservatives' wailing and teeth-gnashing over it is -- besides being an egregious display of a persecution complex -- if anything a tacit admission of their own complicity in fueling extremist rhetoric.
Take the poll if you can, because we all know that FOX news monitors these Hot Seats all the time.
I think you're wrong to think of these mental cases as being possessed of the ability to experience guilt. As Lou Reed wrote of their ilk:
"They'd eat shit and say it tasted good
if there was some money in it for them"....
Lou Reed was a herione addict. I would love to see who else you take advice from.
Hey, me too! I think Wonder Woman is hot as is Sue Richards of the Fantastic 4.
Your right I misspelled heroin. I did however always like that rope that Wonder Woman used to tie the bad guys up . Hey! You guys think I am a bad guy where is wonder woman when you need her? Lou reed was still an addict.
Maybe you should take the advice from the guy you didn't vote for and think before you type.
Ok your right. I thought about it. I still think your full of it. Thank you for the most sound advice though.
What, about his right? What about his left?
far left loon >.<
is addicted to a drug, doesn't mean that they have nothing valid to say.
Alot of famous musicians, writers, comedians, etc., were addicted to various substances spanning centuries, whose works have influenced society at large to varying degrees.
I guess I would have to agree with that. The Reed quote though was not what I would consider inspiring.
I find that odd.
that certain ummmmmmmm media types are montering C&L and sent their minions over to vote.
I don't think it needs to be freeped to be off-kilter.
In that case, could they thank Billllllllo for these?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2YDq6FkVE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58c5kVr7PyM
I'm Boycotting NewsCorp! Heres what not to buy: http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=news...
They couldn't possibly resort to such underhanded measures could they? *LNM asked sarcastically*
Keep in mind on the very next poll:
Which is more important to do today (4/15)
Paying my taxes (26%) to Sending a teabag to congress(66%)
Non-scientific polls for the loss.
-MBirchmeier
AOL is an old, dried up service. Most of the paying customers are people who are really behind the times (like conservatives). I still have an AOL e-mail address I use (for free of course), and I occasionally read political comments. Most of them are very hateful, venomous, and downight racist. A 47% vote like that is not surprising...
Bad on the day, very bad for NYC, but life went on for everybody else.
Serious is planes flying overhead every day/night dropping bombs on you and yours, for example the London Blitz in 1940 or everyday life for Afghans or tribal Pakistanis in 2009.
that things weren't so serious in Germany in 1920's too? Look where that got everyone.
Then life went on.
A big difference from events that happen on a daily basis, and will be or could be happening tomorrow and next year.
I know. Me too. 53% bought into this garbage. I am more worried getting killed by a drunk driver or stabbed by another homeless guy than kkk members or war vets or people who whatched Beck last night.
These conservatives are plain nuts. They're looking for any little thing they can pick up on in order to bash Obama and his administration.
I haven't heard any conservative say that this DHS report was first commissioned under the Bush administration. I read yesterday that there were several reports warning of right wing extremists, reports that did come out of the Bush administration.
Please, conservatives....move to Texas, and then secede. We don't want you here.
Rush Limbaugh to move down here. I have a thirteen year old boy for pete's sake. Please don't exhort any more pervs to move this way.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
It is a good follow-up to those silly tea-baggers. The credo of the propaganda press is to create any old 'story' to distract from the FINANCIAL MELTDOWN, that can only be placed in their court. We just had the Somali Pirate story with the heroic rescue of that white-boy, suit, the captain.
I know 3 people who participated in the demonstrations yesterday. All three of them hate the President and have in my presence called him that n***** in our white house. These guys are my age which is too old to do anything but flap their jaws but their sons and daughters listen to that talk every day
Politics is ugly
has grey areas of complicity when it comes to white folks. I know of a guy who BTW uses AOL as well (I guess its a sign of intelligence right there; to be paying for the line and then paying for the "service" as well these days) who is old enough to remember WWII and the passage of the Civil Rights bill or feel hope die the day MLK was shot.
But he's never seen segregation to the extent that he had to notice, never been told he can't get a certain job he's qualified for, never had anyone spit in his face and tell him, "Go back where you came from n*****!", never had to worry about white folks cornering him after dark or cops searching and finding excuses to arrest. Nor did he ever have to feel the sting of hatred bite when listening to the MSM segregate using judgment that implicitly implies separation by race, or had to watch day after day after day endless portrayals of nice white folks and evil, lazy, dope-fiend portrayals of his own people
Nope, the white mind, if absent either some empathic imagination or actual experience with oppression, can easily just simply ignore the subtle language of racism and not smell that pot of smelly hatred cooking in the kitchen. Cause afterall, they aren't gonna have to eat it.
to shoot up a bunch of little old lady church goers as they sit in their pews? Because otherwise his being upset with this report just makes him look crazy. OK I know he looks crazy most of the time anyway so nothing new there.
Don't be fooled...There is a greater reason why that DHS Report was released. The FBI obviously is aware of things the general public has no idea of what is really going on.
These types of reports have been made regularly folks. But the stirring up of these right wing extremists by FOX "News" was not lost on the FBI and other intelligence agencies which do monitor these groups activities. These right wing groups are violent and should not be laughed at, but, rather taken very seriously. These people are dangerous and these are not just empty or partisan words.
It is obvious that some sort of right-wing violence is being planned and that with the latest uproar thanks to FOX "News" and the spit-shooters on right wing talk radio that the chances are greater that violence will occur in greater numbers in the coming months. This report was a warning to all Americans to be careful, and that, yes, right wing talk radio personalities are enablers of this violence, no matter how much they whine or deny otherwise.
Glen Beck, Michael "Savage" Weiner, Sean "Hannity" (his real last name is Hennedy,) William "Bill" O'Reilly, Rusty Limbaugh, Lou Dobbs, Mike Gallagher, Mike Reagan, Hugh Hewitt, Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin, Neil Boortz, G. Gordon Liddy, William Bennett, Joe Scarborough, (locals here in the state of Connecticut--WTIC 1080 a.m.'s Jim Vicevich and Ray Dunaway; WDRC 1360 a.m.'s Brad Davis, and Dan Lovallo), Mark Levine---are all Right-Wing Extremists. Yes, these Right-Wing Talk Radio Show Hosts are Right-Wing Extremists!! Too bad if they cannot handle the truth about themselves.
Yes, these people like to cry and whine about the DHS Report. Well too bad about them. These people stir up trouble and rabble rousers every time they get behind the microphone, but, whine and cry like big babies when called on the carpet about their actions. Yes, they have "free speech" rights, but so don't we who think they are spouting traitorous words on the public air waves. All of these people have very serious mental problems, which needs to be treated by psychiatrists. I am not kidding that these right wing hosts are psychotic and deranged. It does not take a rocket scientist to understand how disturbed they are. If anyone has mental disorders, it's these right wing talk show hosts mentioned above and their followers.
I think that the crazy people who shoot people aren't the ones John is talking about feeling guilty, it's the talking heads on tv that go over the edge in getting people riled up.
Beck made a huge point yesterday telling people not to resort to violence. I don't know why he made such a point of it, but I have my own suspicions.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I wonder what the residents in New Caanan, CT think of their psychopathic and deranged neighbor, Glen Beck?
Mr. Beck is not balanced and has a very serious mental problem, which needs to be treated by psychiatrists. I am not kidding here. Many of these right wing hosts are mentally ill people. I hope one day that someone does a book about the real mental disorders of these right wingers. If anyone has mental disorders, it's right wingers like Savage, Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and their followers.
His age and apparent Alzheimers catching up with him, so the symptoms show.
Beck is a strange one, messianic complex is my guess.
Limbaugh is just being himself, too many years of oxycontin abuse. That and his age is rapidly catching up with him, going by the shocking recent photos.
Is that anywhere near Mianus?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuy2syGM47U
(I have 4 teenaged boys, I hear it all)
Yes, these right wingers you mention are dangerous.
The Southern Poverty Law Center as well as people like Chip Berlet and Jean Hardisty have been keeping track of these crazies for many years now. The PFAW--more at the political and judicial levels have also been monitoring these right wing extremist activities as well. The courts are now loaded with right wing extremist judges from the Federalist Society.
I would check out PRA, PFAW and the SPLC sites to learn more about these very dangerous people of the right. These sites do a great job of chronicling and even mapping where the right wing militias are located and who they associate with. SPLC has maps of where many of these groups are located and who their membership is. Bob Barr and Trent Lott as well as John Ashcroft were regular speakers at the White Citizens Council meetings in the 1990s and wrote articles for the Southern Partisan Magazine.
tell me what the PRA and the PFAW stands for, I'd like to look them up. I am on the SPLC's mailing list for updates on activity of these groups. They also have a good page where you can put in your name as "standing against hate" in your community.
I wonder how the conservatives felt when anti-war groups were being spied on by the government? When Quaker meetings were infiltrated by the FBI or CIA?
When was the last time a pro choice person blew up a clinic or threatened a doctor's life? When was the last time an anti gun person started shooting policemen? Sure there are some radical groups on the left like ELF and Earth First, and I am sure the govt. is always keeping an eye on them as well.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
...because unlike the Malkinites and Foxes they dó see the big picture.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33386...
(And I also believe in evolution...)
And can you add another "state" to the poll? I'm a non US citizen.
as well; they have a really steep uphill climb to take back their philosophy from the current irrational noisemakers claiming ownership of the movement, such as it is. Not that I really spend any time visiting there anymore, but in relative terms, it's good to hear some of them are trying. It wasn't so long ago when RedState was banning people for entertaining such ideas as the NAU conspiracy; now Erick Erickson's increasingly stupid assertions are moving him squarely into Jerome Corsi territory.
AWAITING *
The voice of the predominantly conservative AOL trolls...
The bus should be pulling in soon.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
How's gator land today?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Oh, we're just fromming along.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Oh wait...that's cheese innit?
Kinky!
normally good fromming weather, but they may just be the gathering clouds of secession.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I do understand why the National Redoubt Republicans have accepted the angry racists as their base because they know that certain groups(blacks, gays, latinos, etc.) are totally through with them.
that blacks, gays and latinos, save for those among that group that are delusional, were ever a part of the Republican party?
zoom out a level or two and we can see the main rightwing hate-screamers are employed by larger corporations--news corp, GE, etc.
corporations that have enjoyed a double return on their investment: high ratings due to the controversial nature of the righwing hate-screamers, and vocal advocates of their position when it comes to economics/foreign policy, etc.
radical rightwing extremism is a growing problem, but i think the battle should be taken up with their corporate leash-holders, not the poodle at the end of the leash.
Jay Gould - US financier [aka Robber Baron] & railroad businessman (1836 - 1892)
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Ask the wrongs questions in a poll and you get the wrong answers.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
yikes!...but a great question to get a read on the nature of the respondents.
What is meant by "the problem of radical right-wing extremism"?
I get the feeling we're talking in code words here.
For some people, the fact that the Republican political party even exists at all might be one way to define it.
For others, what they're worried about are the people who shoot up others, or who bomb Federal buildings with trucks full of fertilizer.
How radical and extreme are we talking here?
If the definition includes Hannity, Limbaugh and the rest of the right-wing radio talkers for stirring up the natives, I'll vote with the "extremely serious" crowd. For now, I'm with "not sure".
i think of skin-head compounds in the woods.
that the cheerleaders are getting the crowd going for their game and when we see that the either/or 1) the line to get into the game is getting longer 2) the capacity of the crowd do to real damage seems to be equivalent with their verbalization of such.
It only took a few people to blow up the Okie building remember? But a whole chorus to cheer him into it.
Without they're outrage du jour, they'd have nothing.
Good point. It's like their coffee in the morning, without it they'd be lost.
Not because most of the people would do anything wrong. It's because the right wing neocon facsists have the radio microphones and the TV cameras and are allowed to stir the pot.
http://poe.house.gov/
[quote]April 16, 2009
Down Right Demonizing
Washington - Congressman TED POE (TX-02) made the following statement in response to the Department of Homeland Security’s report on “right wing extremism.” “My office has already received several calls from individuals who are disappointed with the apparent demonization of people who disagree with the administration. The opinions reported by the Department of Homeland Security label folks as the radical right, including returning military and anyone advocating gun rights under the 2nd Amendment,” Poe said. “The Department of Homeland Security would do well to invest time and dollars to seek out those who terrorize American citizens and not those who defend our nation and support the Bill of Rights.”[/quote]
My congressman unfortunately lives in a bizarre world and I am not even sure that he has read the report. He is the one that thinks so highly of Bedford Forrest - the founder of the KKK. The mis-spelled demonisation is from his office.
That's the British way of spelling it.
He'll be heading for home as soon as Governor Perry issues the call.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
silly poll, the issue with the right in this country is not currently in the political class, or Joe sixpack in a football jersey. Its in the Judiciary,, there has been a silent coup to seize the Bench. And it has been VERY effective.
The problem is the power centers on the Left are indifferent to it. Shown in the votes they throw in favor if these judges.
lefties do we have in office who will or who can stand up to the corporate-funded power center of the wingnuts? In DC its either play our game or get out and those who hold the keys are not the reps or senators, its us and the corporate world. And as long as at least half of us don't know our ass from our elbow, the rest of us are screwed.
I have friends that listen to this spew constantly...Will not entertain any opposing opinion. Think this is very dangerous and the limpbow, palin, hannraty are all feeding it.
The fact that AOL users think not just goes to show how out of touch some are...did not even know that they had a site !!..Does Fox own it?
At of 3pm EDT, "not at all serious" is beating "very serious" by a large margin.
"..Waiting period?! But I'm mad noww!!"
- H.J.Simpson
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As further proof:
Poll #10: "Should the GOP budget proposal be taken seriously?"
--> 65% Yes, 29% No (..um, WHAT budget proposal?!!)
And the Piéce de Resistance (as posed by our one & only John Amato):
Poll #11: "Are you a fan of Glenn Beck?"
--> 60% Yes, 33% No
That says it all, I think!
"..Waiting period?! But I'm mad noww!!"
- H.J.Simpson
Yep
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
This is why these polls are called "unscientific"
woodguy
our public school curriculum.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Monday, April 20 with be the tenth anniversary of the shootings at Columbine. It is also Hitler's birthday. Those two facts and the current state of affairs make me hope to hell that Monday is a very uneventful day.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
"It's been very illuminating to watch the non-existent conservative leaders in this country freak out over the new DHS terrorism bulletin."
I find their reaction is very much akin to the one you can get from some commenters on this blog with posts that even mildly tack against the wind of prevailing local opinion. It is predicatable, not illuminating. But of course I am just a troll.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
..by some of the votes that seemed contrary to what I would think most of the people here would've voted and then realized that this was an AOhell poll. I didn't think anyone used AOhell anymore.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Freeper Power strikes again!
I took the poll. I said 'extremely serious'. Originally, from Minnesota, and did see that my old neighbor, N.D. is heavily into right-wing extremism. Now, I can see why my experience was colored by N.D.
I agree that all the teeth-gnashing, screaming, weeping, finger-pointing propaganda media trying to deal with the blow-back of the bald-faced TRUTH of right-wingnuttery. Yep the screamers are indeed the problem.
God, did DHS do something right??? Pun intended.
The question should be phrased ever so carefully.
Like, do mentally unhinged Americans gathering together fully armed with assault weapons posed a threat to their fellow American neighbors?
replace the final question mark with a comma, and add "or are they more dangerous alone in a rented van full of fertilizer?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Greg Palast wrote about it in ARMED MADHOUSE.
Looks like Americans are willing to mostly ignore domestic terrorists and right-wing militant groups, probably because they're white, good ol' boys.
They love "Flush". They don't care if Hannity cries like a baby. They own guns. They can't spell. They are easy to be tricked. If it's for "yuck-yuck" violence they're even easier to be tricked. I have some family/friends that are right wingers. When they said Obama was a "Muslim" I said: Thank God, cause the christians sure didn't want to kill Bin Laden. They just sat there, with their beer and their mouths dropped. Then, when I pointed over to the bars television and said the "tea baggers" were democrats they wanted to "tea bag" all the chicks(right wing and porno goes together alot more than you think) and bomb the crowd (too easy to be tricked into anything). That's when I said it was "FLUSH's" group protesting the George Bush tax giveaway and they frumped on me! And then I laughed because I told them Flush was gay ("Hey his old ladies keep dumping him cause he likes little boys").
They are extremist. They don't study. They talk shit. They cheat on taxes. They cheat on their wives. They only unite out of their desire to appear holy to eachother. Some are mormons...Kill in Christ name...Yeah, right! These people are very violent. Many of them have done time. I don't believe that they are peaceful by nature.
TIM
have seen much the same and also, not only those among the ex-cons, but the lower middle class folks as well who are short on education but long on superstition and a deep feeling of white trash shame.
Because of their sense of class shaming and longing for their due social recognition, they are eager to find any group on whose shoulders they can imagine standing on -- to get another rung up. Thus their willingness to believe, since so long ago, that there exists some sinister group of persons that is "keeping them down" and of course, that there exists a larger systemic problem that they cannot understand or supersede themselves.
The difference between them and the more educated, is in degrees of feelings of powerlessness and helplessness. More educated people tend to have a better understanding of how government and social systems work and tend to also not feel overwhelmed by a sense of lack of control or understanding.
These are people who slept through high schoo, never made it to high school or their schools were just miserable failures. As a result, hey don't have bookshelves at home, the tevee usually blares all day and night and they haven't learned the ability to think critically or to analyze information critically. Thus, they accept much of what they hear at face value and are content with shallow, simplistic explanations of complex, confusing problems.
They are also big believers in the Horatio Alger myth of rags to riches and believe that their lack of "making it" is their own personal failure and not as a result of any systematic social structure keeping them down.
This is a vicious cycle as well that is almost impossible to break and it is core to our culture and Puritan/calvinist roots. These people also see themselves as one unit against the many and have a hard time envisioning group action, viewing it as a threat (thanks to public school propaganda about "socialism") or a sign of weakness.
Thus these people simmer and fester alone, until they find a leader who calls on them, like the radio/teevee people have been doing, to unite to do the bidding of the powerful and to foster the fantasy that cooperation with the powerful is the path to power.
I always wonder how many southern militia group members have a family member from the past who was a "paddy-roller" in the slave day.
Part of the problem is the issue seems to new to a lot of people.
"Islamofascism", check, liberal "fascism", check, right wing--well ain't that god-fearin', anti-commie, good-neighbor folk?
What about Timothy McVeigh, now you're being anecdotal, what about David Koresh, well that's the danger of cults.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
but thanks anyway! ;p
Read it and pass it on.
http://vyan.blogspot.com/2009/04/honestsincer...
...here in Chicago Wednesday. We hated what Bush did those eight plague filled years, but I never heard any liberal talk with such hateful anarchy. Those people are dangerous.
I am curious what was the hateful anarchy you heard and the danger you saw.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
All this report did was to shed light into the dark corners of America, where the rightwingers and the freepers and the fundamentalists and their ilk like to hang out.
Now, like cockroaches, they are frantically throwing up smokescreens to mask their true evil intentions.
Although it is funny how quickly they assume they are the right-wing extremists(RWE), the real hypocricy is that the report was ordered by the previous administration. There was also a report released in January on left-wing extremists to no outcry. I guess we see who considers themselves extremists and who doesn't.
What isn't funny though is that these guys really are dangerous and if the government does anything to protect us from them, get ready for more of the same.
I think the right has gotten bent out of shape over the fact that they are compared to the likes of the KKK, Tim McVeigh and the fact that war vets who some have even literarily given an arm and a leg to fight for this country have even been lumped in. You know, the man that pushes old ladies in front of buses and the man who pushes old ladies out of the way of buses should not be lumped together as men that go around pushing old ladies.
On this issue alone, the Democratic base, the progressive movement and quasi-liberals can loose all credibility.
For 8 years we fought against the image of dissenters being labeled terrorists, and now this movement is about to make the same claims?
Don't you people who hype the fear of the results of right-wing dissent, see that it is playing right into the hands of the people who push the notion that normal people are the enemy and the suspicion and the fear? You know the forces of anti-democracy, -the enemies of the open society. Next time around, it might be Republicans in charge again, so why are you laying the groundworks for them to point at you and label you terrorists again????
I'm glad the poll seems to reflect some common sense and objectivity.
Wow the voice of reason. Thank God. Opps did I say the G word in here. Please don't ban me. It is refreshing to read your comment Celsius.
You can believe in your imaginary sky guy all you like in here, we won't ban you for that. As long as you don't start acting like a troll. Which I think you may be, it looks like you are playing tag team with Celsius.
like Celsius is painting everybody here with tthe same brush.
I don't want to paint everyone here with the same brush.
This is only meant for the dittoheads who can't contribute with anything else than "lolling" uncritically and ridiculing anyone on "the other side". And it's meant for those who think it's a good idea to avenge 8 years of idiocy and dangerous politics, antidemocratic policies and demonizing of ordinary people because of political views by doing the same back once in power.
It only serves the same interests who used the corrupt Republican party as a tool for this. Is it a surprise that we have new terror alerts like this still? I think not. The war on terror is eternal, you know. ...They wish.
Those who uncritcally jump on this demonizing bandwagon: this can really come back to haunt you, you know.
And it is certainly not in line with liberalism, which is based on the ideals of an open mind, trust in the scientific method and trust in the human spirit and soul. It's more like the opposite.
Judging from the comments on this side, it's looks like the Democratic and progressive political vidctories has dragged with it some rubbish. Authoritarian-minded people always suck up to power and cheer for the winning team at all times. It's part of the definition. Look at your typical mindless Republican drone, gobbling up any propaganda from their site without any critical thinking or conscience on their own part. Why act in the same way?
This seems to me like one of the ways that power corrupts.
It's not the normal people we worry about, or dissent. It is the domestic terrorists. Don't you wonder why commissioned the report?
This is not a left problem, this is a problem for the whole country.
I don't mean this as flame-bait. I'm honestly curious:
Do you guys who post here realize that you sound exactly like the conservatives whom you hate so much posting on their own blogs? Really, whether you want to admit it or not, you do.
The stereotyping of the other side, the tired, malicious name-calling, the broad and unjustified generalizations, the one-sided use of citations, the selective interpretation of history, the assumption that everyone who doesn't think like you do is stupid, the dismissing of the other side's supposedly partisan media outlets...it's all exactly the same.
As if that weren't enough, there's the added irony that each side always blames the other for creating hysteria, fear, and ignorance while remaining completely blind to their own contributions. Everyone claims that they're open-minded, because that's generally accepted as a virtue, but in practice I see little evidence that people in these forums are interested in actually listening to and seriously considering other points of view. Places like this are just arenas for emotional venting and reinforcing one's own beliefs.
But I guess it doesn't matter, because you're right, huh? :-)
http://www.democracynow.org/
http://www.c-span.org/
The right wingers would be ignorant to reality, see above links. I am not flame baiting either. The Bush admin was bad, Obama has done allot so far.....The right has been exactly as you say both sides are, the left not so much, we are more laughing at the right you know--- picking fun.
I can accept this comment as a twisted right wing apology for being such a bunch of group thinking fascists for the past 8 years.
Listen dude, we are much much much more closer to 'right' than the right themselves are, that brand of information is askew. Conservative news has been wrong period, they have great 1 liners that's it. 98% of the content has been ironic to reality, the opposite again and again, Fox says it the right just repeats it.
So, I guess. That is what happened. The cops stopped pulling me over everywhere I go, hoards of people stopped pulling in the convenience store and dollar stores when I stop by. Allot of the internet spam stopped recently too. Oh well. I still DO NOT support the spy program, nobody should be subject to that. I want to turn the other cheek on this 1. All of a sudden I am not a danger by a stoke of a pen, but the turds hassling me for the past 6 years are. I do NOT support an expansion of a civilian vigilante force funded by TAX dollars either, Stop the madness. :/
Looking at the results, it's clear that a lot of wingnut trolls have time to spend taking these polls. Probably do it between teabagging (is that one word or two?_.
Righties love these polls too
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Especially larry craig.
Maybe tea-bagging is hyphenated?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I don't believe you're being fair in this AntiSocialite, this isn't an Us And Them blog. We actually believe Bush was an appointed president and not elected.The republicans believe he was elected.
We actually believe Bush lied us into war. Republicans don't.
We actually believe Cheney got the "no bid contracts" for Haliburton to screw our treasury funds.
And that "torture" is against American prinicipals. We believe Valerie Plame was outed as a CIA agent by the Bush administration.
We believe the last 8 years have been a fiscal sewer where Americans were also robbed and their noses shoved into the sewer. 12% unemployement.
We believe Hannity cries. Flush lies. And Bilbo is an idiot.(Really)
We actually believe there are better ways to run government than the "no business smarts" of the stealing republican personality. We don't believe killing in Christ's name is good, at any time. We believe the Beatles are one of the greatest writers in the 20th century. We don't believe Ronald666WilsonReagan was a good president but a crook....
You know AntiSocialite, I don't believe you hit a chord with your observation. It's kinda "funny" you didn't see that.
Oh....we're also a mix of people, not just one, stupid kind. Yes, we can be stupid too...but that's usually to make a point.
Please have a nice day....the pirates deserved what they got....Thanks Obama...Bushwack would have never done anything like that. We believe Rush has an "anal poinsoning" curse of his own.
We're nothing like those who want revolution because our president is only half white....hey...he favors his mom! We believe in MOM.
There is just so much more, it's just the tip of an ice berg.
Ringo
I can really agree with most of that, right on.
Our collective reaction seems to differ.
"We surround them."
What? I'm just an ENTERTAINER!
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