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Dick Cheney indicted for organized crime by Texas grand jury

More news coming out of TX...

Cheney is accused of investing some $85 million in the Vanguard Group that houses federal inmates. The grand jury accuses Cheney and Alberto Gonzalez of engaging in organized criminal activity.

Too bad he didn't have to do a perp walk for us.

Michael Froomkin has more:

CNN, Cheney, Gonzales indicted for alleged prisoner abuse: Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales have been indicted on separate charges related to alleged prisoner abuse in federal detention centers, Willacy County, Texas, District Attorney Juan Angel Guerra told CNN Tuesday.

The indictment stems from Cheney’s investment in the Vanguard Group — an investment management company that reportedly has interests in the prison companies in charge of the detention centers, according to The Associated Press. It also charges Gonzales halted an investigation into abuse at the detention centers while he was attorney general.

You might think there are some federalism issues here. And there are. You might think there are some qualified/absolute immunity issues here, and there are. (Cf. In re Neagle, 135 U.S. 1 (1890) (creating federal officer immunity defense.)) But what you might not know is that there’s a federal removal statute that deals with state criminal prosecutions, 28 U.S.C. § 1442(a)(1):

§ 1442. Federal officers or agencies sued or prosecuted

(a) A civil action or criminal prosecution commenced in a State court against any of the following may be removed by them to the district court of the United States for the district and division embracing the place wherein it is pending:

(1) The United States or any agency thereof or any officer (or any person acting under that officer) of the United States or of any agency thereof, sued in an official or individual capacity for any act under color of such office or on account of any right, title or authority claimed under any Act of Congress for the apprehension or punishment of criminals or the collection of the revenue.

So step one will be a removal to the federal District Court...read on



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does this mean it could become a pardonable offense?

I'm guessing that it would only be pardonable if he were convicted. If that is the case, it wouldn't happen for at least a year or two, during President Obama's term. Tough luck for Cheney. Good for America.

there is no good news :-D

marbotty:

does this mean it could become a pardonable offense

On the earlier thread, it was mentioned that they will try to remove the case to federal court. I was initially skeptical of invoking this statute, but why should I put anything past the Bushevik Abomination? (Incidentally, this is a rare move. The case has to be made that it is proper to do this in a criminal case, and that's a complicated issue in and of itself. Moreover, criminal defense lawyers really don't want their clients to end up in federal court.)

Personally, I've never been involved with a criminal case removed to federal court. I doubt I ever will.

As for the pardon issue, though, while I have to brush up on the case law surrounding this, I think the best argument against a pardon remains that any conviction would still be a state law conviction. Upon removal to the federal courts (largely in consideration of the rights and duties of the defendant at hand rather than the laws under which he is prosecuted), state law still applies. The federal rules of evidence would be used, as would the federal rules of criminal procedure. But the charges would remain state charges, and the state of Texas would be the prosecuting entity.

I would argue (though I suppose I could lose) that the President of the United States has no authority to pardon a state conviction merely because the proceedings took place in federal court.

This is the way to put these criminals in jail. Rather than embark on the truth and reconciliation path as Harpers suggests in its latest issue, we prosecute them for the more petty crimes that we are sure we can pin them with. Capone was put in jail for tax evasion, not murder and extortion. A conviction in this case would be a good start.

I don't think the Union can survive a war crimes trail. It would divide this nation permanently. That may be the end we deserve but we wont go there. We stood by and let our leaders become torturers. Now we will let them get away with it. My hope for justice is that obscure charges like this one are pursued and prosecuted. In this way Bushco might get to spend some time in jail.

It was taxes that brought Al Capone down, maybe it will be something like that for Cheney.

Oh, it warms the heart!

Syphilis is what did him in. Of course, Cheney's too smart for something like that. I mean you'd have to do something stoopid, like allowing yourself to be sodomized by a gay male prostitute posing as a reporter. We all know that Cheney isn't Gay. Closeted Gays usually have anger management issues, so that leaves him out. Also I've noticed the Gay gene kinda runs in the family. So again, not a problem for Dick.

You are correct to advocate the use of any and all means to bring these criminals before justice. The more crimes you are involved in, the greater the chances you will be caught, their is no perfect crime. Something is always over-looked. The small sized transgressions tend to get less attention to details, and often yield good results. However your speculation that to prosecute them would divide the country is absurd. The reason we are in this fix goes back to fords pardon of nixon and the failure of our justice system to hold criminals to account. You can,t convince me that 50% of the country wants to see a serious felon walk free, while we put pot smokers in prison. on a side note, it was prohibition that took Capone from a nickel and dime thug to a crime king-pin, it's the "war on drugs" that fuels the prison for profit industry and thugs who would like nothing better that more harsh laws so they can get more and more profits...I mean bad criminals off the streets to make things safe. We have more people in jail or prison or on probation in this country than all other countries combined, a very large percent of those because of victimless drug crimes( believe it is somewhere around 40%) Without rule of law we have no union and the criminals will always push the limits of what they can get away with. What if my family is a victim of their next crime, what if it's YOUR family? still willing to just forget about it? Without rule of law, what you end up with is a big pile of shit, kind of...well like we have now.-CEO,citizens,eyes,open.

and somebody get a rope (after the conviction of course).

)O(

I'mma liberal

I lack convictions.

Hey, it was good enough for Saddam. Only difference being Cheney is responsible for the deaths of more people.

Great news, except for the fact that high level Republican Party members are, in fact, above the law.

For **** sake, Cheney committed TREASON during a time of war for the sake of political revenge.

He got away with that.

Cheney, Bush, Rove and the rest are above the law.

The rule of law has been replaced by the tyranny of wealth and political connections.

I'm inclined to agree with you. We've come a long way from the day a 3rd rate burglary was grounds enough for impeachment and a presidential resignation and Democrats lke Senator Sam Ervin and backbone. It's not the same country anymore. The corrupt and politically powerful can get away with murder, literally and figuratively, these days and the Dems will roll over.

these people will get away with it.

that this is just the beginning of a long-lasting and colorful CASCADE of indictments, charges, and other legal grappling hooks that will be biting into the corrupt red meat of our beloved and short-lived Vice President Dead-Eye dick, and legal-eagle extradordinaire, Alberto Gonzalez.

And... yes, the President can pardon ANYBODY for ANYTHING... even "blanket pardons" for crimes not yet chared or indicted. That's the other colorful legal cascade I expect to shower us between now and mid-January.

[Deleted. Even in jest, please don't advocate violence on this site. Thank you-Sitemonitor]

The Grand Jury should grab their( Cheney&Gonzales) passports, just in case!

Are all the investors liable?

I'd love to see this DA (with his horse, goats, and chicken) get a job in the new administration as a Federal DA, and continue the hard work he's already put into this case. Wouldn't that just be poetic!

so Dick "go fuck yourself" Cheney who shot his buddy in the face is gettin' it from Texas. How poetically just! Of course, he has what is needed to buy his way all the way out of it. Well, there's gonna be a new sheriff in town. We'll see.

"I don't think the Union can survive a war crimes trail. It would divide this nation permanently."

What? That reminds me of a theological discussion I had with my father. He simply said he was an atheist, because it's EASIER.

Easier? What ever happened to Truth, or Justice?

If we let Bush & Cheney slide based on some assertion that the country would not survive, which well be true, then everything we ever held dear in the Constitution is a sham, & we deserve to lose the country.

I'm waiting for the 'voice of reason' to step up and tell us the world isn't as simple as black and white.

The Democrats deserve their share of blame here, as they continually conceded the point before mounting any argument. ("Well, no one is saying we shouldn't do x, but ...")

I just find it ironic that the folks who are busy insisting on tradition and godliness elsewhere are endorsing torture and false imprisonment (which is what the authorities did to Christ). It shows the hypocrisy of the God crowd.

I know it's the right thing to do but I also know it wont be done. Our Nation is already dead in that respect. When we (the Dems, The Republicans, the complacent nation as a whole) acquiesced to the argument that Habeas Corpus did not apply to terrorists, when impeachment was taken off the table, when we tortured and 'disappeared' we sacrificed the Enlightenment and went back to the Dark Ages.

A prosecution of Bushco for war crimes would result in a mobilization of the most base or the republican base. It would energize millions of bigots to engage in revolution. As a nation we never settled the Civil War or reconciled our seizure of the land from the Indians and as a Nation we have agreed to leave those wounds open for all time. This is another open wound that we will let fester for as long as the Union lasts. Again, I'm not saying we should not go down that path I'm just saying that our Nation knows that it can't and wont.

That almost sounds like the reason Pelosi gave for taking impeachment off of the table, it would only serve to further divide the Nation and would We simply can't afford it. But it's O.K. to give 700 billion of OUR money to bail out Wall Street fat cats and buy controlling interest in U.S. banks. It's easier to just let the criminals go unpunished while maintaining the status quo.

For eight years this evil to the core, black hearted bastard has committed crime after crime, laughing at us while wiping his fat ass with the constitution and now after all of this death, theft, lies and misery we're supposed to believe that Cheney's going to jail?

And I'm a black klansmen.

let's just have a do-over with the civil war and give up.
let the south go, under one condition: they can't ask for forign aid for the next thousand years.

It's about opportunism. The prison industry is one of the most lucrative in our nation today, because it's guareenteed growth. Our country (the WHOLE country, not just the South) houses far more prisoners per capita than any other nation in the world! (If you didn't know this, you'll be shocked. If you DO know, you're already upset about it.)

Besides, don't get me started about the Civil War, which was most certainly not civil. Here in Texas, and the other states (including Missouri) that seceded, it was about states' rights as originally promised when the country was formed, and not about slaves at all.

Actually it was about the Federal Supremacy Clause, and the Southern states mistaken idea that they had the power to Null and Void federal decisions.

It was also economic, they wanted the feds to pay for each slave's freedom, which of course the fed couldn't afford, and was similar to today's eminent domain/taking problems where property owners feel like they can do anything, environmental laws be damned!

Additionally, most of the Nation's resources were heading North, which was becoming industrial, and not to the South which had to remain agrarian. Plantation owners were like corporate heads looking for cheap labor to maximize profits, and were a small percentage of the overall population. The rest of the slave owners were upper middle-class, and may have just had a couple, so they could live the veneer of an English gentry life. The average working southerner had no slaves at all, but were competitors for jobs.

...And don't forget that the Bank of England bankrolled both the North and the South. It was to their benefit that our nation be torn apart; we were becoming competitors in the industrial field, and the British Empire was competing on the cotton market with cotton grown in their colonies such as India. They won no matter who lost here.

While there were other issues, the predominant disagreement fueling the Civil War was slavery, and the Civil War would not have been fought without the disagreement regarding slavery. The Cornerstone Speech, given by Alexander Stephens, the VP of the fledgling Confederacy, shows that he, like Lincoln, believed that slavery was the root cause of the impending war. According to Stephens, the "foundations [of our new Government] are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the Negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition...." [Augusta, Georgia, Daily Constitutionalist, March 30, 1861.] That's the sum of his speech, and it is clear what he means. The "states' rights" to which you refer was the right of states to regulate individually the institution of slavery and the ownership of slaves.

See also:

Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., Supreme Court Justice and Civil War veteran, in a 1884 Memorial Day speech: "We believed that it was most desirable that the North should win. We believed in the principle that the Union is indissoluble;...that slavery had lasted long enough. But we equally believed that those who stood against us held just as sacred convictions that were the opposite of ours, and we respected them as every man with a heart must respect those who give all for their belief...."

Henry L. Benning, Georgia politician and future Confederate general, writing in the summer of 1849 to his fellow Georgian, Howell Cobb: "First then, it is apparent, horribly apparent, that the slavery question rides insolently over every other everywhere -- in fact that is the only question which in the least affects the results of the elections." Later in the same letter Benning says, "I think then, 1st, that the only safety of the South from abolition universal is to be found in an early dissolution of the Union."

Albert Gallatin Brown, U.S. Senator from Mississippi, speaking with regard to the several filibuster expeditions to Central America: "I want Cuba . . . I want Tamaulipas, Potosi, and one or two other Mexican States; and I want them all for the same reason -- for the planting and spreading of slavery."

Senator Robert M. T. Hunter of Virginia: "There is not a respectable system of civilization known to history whose foundations were not laid in the institution of domestic slavery."

Richmond Enquirer, 1856: "Democratic liberty exists solely because we have slaves . . . freedom is not possible without slavery."

Atlanta Confederacy, 1860: "We regard every man in our midst an enemy to the institutions of the South, who does not boldly declare that he believes African slavery to be a social, moral, and political blessing."

Lawrence Keitt, Congressman from South Carolina, in a speech to the House on January 25, 1860: "African slavery is the corner-stone of the industrial, social, and political fabric of the South; and whatever wars against it, wars against her very existence. Strike down the institution of African slavery and you reduce the South to depopulation and barbarism." Later in the same speech he said, "The anti-slavery party contend that slavery is wrong in itself, and the Government is a consolidated national democracy. We of the South contend that slavery is right, and that this is a confederate Republic of sovereign States."

Keitt again, this time as delegate to the South Carolina secession convention, during the debates on the state's declaration of causes: "Our people have come to this on the question of slavery. I am willing, in that address to rest it upon that question. I think it is the great central point from which we are now proceeding, and I am not willing to divert the public attention from it." Taken from the Charleston, South Carolina, Courier, dated Dec. 22, 1860. Keitt became a colonel in the Confederate army.

Methodist Rev. John T. Wightman, preaching at Yorkville, South Carolina: "The triumphs of Christianity rest this very hour upon slavery; and slavery depends on the triumphs of the South . . . This war is the servant of slavery." The Glory of God, the Defence of the South (1861).

From the Confederate Constitution: Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 4: "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed." Article IV, Section 3, Paragraph 3: "The Confederate States may acquire new territory . . . In all such territory, the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and the territorial government."

From the Georgia Constitution of 1861:"The General Assembly shall have no power to pass laws for the emancipation of slaves." (This is the entire text of Article 2, Sec. VII, Paragraph 3.)

From the Alabama Constitution of 1861: "No slave in this State shall be emancipated by any act done to take effect in this State, or any other country." (This is the entire text of Article IV, Section 1 (on slavery).)

A North Carolina newspaper editorial: "it is abolition doctrine . . . the very doctrine which the war was commenced to put down." [North Carolina Standard, Jan. 17, 1865.]

Robert M.T. Hunter, Senator from Virginia, "What did we go to war for, if not to protect our property?"

Alfred P. Aldrich, South Carolina legislator from Barnwell: "If the Republican party with its platform of principles, the main feature of which is the abolition of slavery and, therefore, the destruction of the South, carries the country at the next Presidential election, shall we remain in the Union, or form a separate Confederacy? This is the great, grave issue. It is not who shall be President, it is not which party shall rule -- it is a question of political and social existence."

John C. Calhoun, Senator from South Carolina: "The defence of human liberty against the aggressions of despotic power have been always the most efficient in States where domestic slavery was to prevail."

James H. Hammond, Congressman from South Carolina: "Sir, I do firmly believe that domestic slavery, regulated as ours is, produces the highest toned, the purest, best organization of society that has ever existed on the face of the earth." Hammond again, from later in the same speech: "the moment this House undertakes to legislate upon this subject [slavery], it dissolves the Union. Should it be my fortune to have a seat upon this floor, I will abandon it the instant the first decisive step is taken looking towards legislation of this subject. I will go home to preach, and if I can, practice, disunion, and civil war, if needs be. A revolution must ensue, and this republic sink in blood."

Henry Wise, Congressman (and future governor) from Virginia: "The principle of slavery is a leveling principle; it is friendly to equality. Break down slavery and you would with the same blow break down the great democratic principle of equality among men."

Abraham Lincoln, Cooper Union Address, New York, New York, February 27, 1860: : When you [Southerners] make these declarations, you have a specific and well-understood allusion to an assumed Constitutional right of yours, to take slaves into the federal territories, and to hold them there as property. But no such right is specifically written in the Constitution. That instrument is literally silent about any such right. We, on the contrary, deny that such a right has any existence in the Constitution, even by implication. Your purpose, then, plainly stated, is that you will destroy the Government, unless you be allowed to construe and enforce the Constitution as you please, on all points in dispute between you and us. You will rule or ruin in all events.

From the diary of James B. Lockney, 28th Wisconsin Infantry, writing near Arkadelphia, Arkansas (10/29/63): "Last night I talked awhile to those men who came in day before yesterday from the S.W. part of the state about 120 miles distant. Many of them wish Slavery abolished & slaves out of the country as they said it was the cause of the War, and the Curse of our Country & the foe of the body of the people--the poor whites. They knew the Slave masters got up the war expressly in the interests of the institution, & with no real cause from the Government or the North."

Georgia County Secession Resolutions: "Whereas, Several of the non-slaveholding States of this Confederacy have, by unfriendly aggressive legislation, nullified the Constitution framed and bequeathed to us by our fathers and in so doing, have virtually dissolved the Union; and whereas the abolition fanatics, assisted by the votes of free negroes, who according to the decision of the Supreme Court, are not citizens of the United States, and therefore have no right of suffrage, have succeeded in carrying in the late election every Northern State except New Jersey, and are about to elevate to the highest office in this government, men whose avowed purpose it is, and who are pledged to wage an irrepressible conflict with Southern rights and with that institution which is the foundation of Southern prosperity and Southern society..."

Letter to the Citizens of the Greenville District (by James C. Furman and others): "Give them the Presidency and its patronage; the millions of money it has to dispense; the control of the Post Office, &c. and in a few brief years the slave States bordering on the North will have to abandon slavery as the source to them of endless vexation and loss, through the interference of Abolition emmisaries, while no new States will be admitted but such as are free -- and then, by a vote of Congress, their great idea will be carried out -- universal emancipation will be declared.-- Then every negro in South Carolina, and in every other Southern States, will be his own master; nay, more than that, will be the equal of every one of you. If you are tame enough to submit, Abolition preachers will be at hand to consummate the marriage of your daughters to black husbands!"

S.C. Gov. Pickens' Inaugural Message (Dec 1860) : "South Carolina...will, most assuredly, secede separately and alone."

From the South Carolina Secession Declaration Debates

Debate over the Declaration of Causes: "The Tariff is not the question which brought the people up to their present attitude. We are to give a summary of our causes to the world, but mainly to the other Southern States, whose co-action we wish, and we must not make a fight on the Tariff question.... Our people have come to this on the question of slavery. I am willing, in that address to rest it upon that question."

Debate over the Address to the Slaveholding States: "In the one Address we are speaking to those with whom we expect to confederate -- we are speaking to our sister Southern States. In the other we are speaking to the world at large, and informing them of the reasons which induced us to take the important steps we have adopted."

South Carolina Secession Declaration: "We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assumed the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection."

From the New York Anti-Secession Debates

S.C. Address to the people of the Slaveholding States (Dec. 1860): "Experience has proved that slaveholding States cannot be safe in subjection to non-slaveholding States. Indeed, no people can ever expect to preserve its rights and liberties, unless these be in its own custody. To plunder and oppress, where plunder and oppression can be practiced with impunity, seems to be the natural order of things. The fairest portions of the world elsewhere, have been turned into wildernesses, and the most civilized and prosperous communities have been impoverished and ruined by anti-slavery fanaticism."

Alabama's Letter to Gov. Magoffin of Kentucky: "Therefore it is that the election of Mr. Lincoln cannot be regarded otherwise than a solemn declaration, on the part of a great majority of the Northern people, of hostility to the South, her property and her institutions -- nothing less than an open declaration of war -- for the triumph of this new theory of Government destroys the property of the South, lays waste her fields, and inaugurates all the horrors of a San Domingo servile insurrection, consigning her citizens to assassinations, and her wives and daughters to pollution and violation, to gratify the lust of half-civilized Africans."

Kentucky Gov. Magoffin's response: "The rights of African slavery in the United States and the relations of the Federal Government to it, as an institution in the States and Territories, most assuredly demand at this time explicit definition and final recognition by the North."

I could go on and on and on . . . but you get the point. The Civil War was all about slavery.

...it's still a foolish thing.

Gen. Grant's wife had a slave throughout the war.

You have posted only statements which support your thesis. I refer you to a larger picture, such as Bruce Levine's book "Confederate Emancipation: Southern Plans to Free and Arm Slaves During the Civil War." I also suggest Philip Knightley's book in which he examines the maxim "In war, the first casualty is Truth." That brings this back into the present-day situation, and current discussion. --MaryK

First, there are numerous books on the subject which refute the thesis that the Civil War wasn't the preeminent cause of the Civil War. Citing books that (supposedly) say otherwise begs that time-tested question, "So what?"

Second, your statement that "[i]f a thousand people say a foolish thing it's still a foolish thing" is itself silly. According to that reasoning, the only truth that exists is the truth that you embrace, personally, regardless of whether the circumstances as described by others demonstrate something else. And, as a corollary, you just relegated Lincoln, Holmes, and a host of other prominent leaders in both the North and the South to the ranks of the "silly" because they believed the Civil War was the result of the dispute concerning slavery.

Third, you cite two books as "proof" of a "larger" truth, suggesting that statements made at the time of the Civil War are somehow irrelevant. In addition to the fact that statements made at the time are the best evidence of what people were actually thinking, your conclusion that books written after-the-fact are somehow better sources of information ignores your own premise. A book is nothing more than a series of statements cobbled together by the author, as if a "thousand foolish things" cannot be said by one person. And I would strongly question the scholarship of anyone who ignored what was actually being said about the war at the time it occurred.

Fourth, I am very familiar with Bruce Levine's work, and I have a copy on my shelf in my office, 10 feet over my left shoulder. Not only does he agree that the South's overriding interest was the maintenance of slavery, he refers to Alexander Stephens' Cornerstone Speech, which I previously cited. And, he makes repeated use of quotations from politicians and leaders at the time, much as I did in my previous post. Indeed, in regard to Jefferson Davis, he states that, "during the war's first months, the Confederate president had identified slavery and its preservation as central to the seccessionists' cause." Levine further noted that Davis observed that "the ascendant Republican party 'menaced' that labor system, and 'with interests of such overwhelming magnitude imperiled the people of the Southern states [driving] them to the adoption of some course of action to avert the danger' posed." I'm not sure why you suggest that the statements of the President and Vice-President of the Confederacy somehow have no bearing on the reason for the Civil War. Only after the war did Southerners attempt to rewrite their reasons for going to war, a point Levine makes emphatically in his book.

Fifth, your statement regarding General Grant's wife is irrelevant. There were Northerners who abhorred slavery, and Northerners who couldn't care less what the South was doing. I am not contending that the North was steadfastedly united in its opposition to slavery -- indeed, Holmes, for one, had serious reservations concerning whether the issue of slavery was worth the potential dissolution of the Union. But the fact remains that the dissolution of the Union WAS the product of the dispute between entrenched interests in the North and the South concerning the question of that most peculiar institution. You don't give it any credit, stating that the Civil War "wasn't about slavery at all." Really? Not at all? Is that really what you mean to say?

The simple fact of the Civil War is that slavery was the hot button for the demagogues on both sides. It was used just like abortion and gay marriage is being used today. It was the red meat that got the masses foaming and it was a "beard" for much deeper political agendas to hide behind. . . agendas on both sides.

If you mean in the ability to whip some folks into a frenzy, I might be persuaded. But if your argument is that slavery was just window-dressing hiding much larger issues, I disagree wholeheartedly. First, nobody's going to war en masse over gay marriage or abortion, whereas the question of slavery precipitated the Civil War. Second, the impact of slavery was far more pronounced than the impact of abortion or gay marriage. The Southern economy was literally wedded to the labor provided by slavery, a condition that carried on thereafter into Jim Crow era and the institution of sharecropping, and into the 1930s, as detailed by Doug Blackmon in "Slavery By Another Name."

People can write and rewrite history all they want, and make the argument that the Civil War was about states' rights, but those kinds of arguments ignore the fact that the Southern states seceded because they wanted the right to regulate slavery on their own terms, and not the terms dictated by the abolitionist movement entrenched within the governing Republican party. I mean, if the Civil War wasn't about slavery, then why did slavery as a legal institution end with the Civil War?

And Lee, the commander of the Southern Army had no slaves, and in fact believed slavery an abomination against God.

And, don't forget, this prison abuse scandal is nationwide, including the wrongful death of Kenneth Keith Kallenbach in Pennsylvania. By the way, the Civil War was all about Northern seaports having a hissy fit over the low tariffs charged by the Southern ports, especially New orleans, the gateway to the newly opened west. These same northern fatcats paid for and backed John Brown and other abolitionists, and not for love of the black man, more just to stir the pot against state's rights.

for all the harm he has done this country. The most we can hope for is that he will need to spend much of his ill-gotten Halliburton monies on defense after defense. His declining years will, hopefully, be spent meeting with lawyers, sitting in courtrooms, and never have a minutes rest. He orchestrated many of the terrible policy decisions over the past eight years. May he never find any peace.

To tie Dicky up in court for the rest of his miserable life - that is probably the only justice for which we can hope.

No, he'll just escape to the new Halliburton headquarters in Dubai http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/12/bus...

Better arrest him before January 2009!

I agree. Darth Cheney is simply too wealthy and too powerful to ever see a jail cell. But that doesn't mean that his eight year criminal career in one of the highest offices in the land can't be investigated. Making his remaining years in this life a living Hell.

Most. Criminal. Administration. Ever.

is Texas blue?

After this expect John McCain's brother to come forth any day and say Texas is a communist country.

the obama administration can not afford to charge the bush administration with war crimes or subversion of the constitution , it would set back his plans for doing the same things in afganistan and packistan, if as hes told you , and you aparently werent listening when he said it , he intends to finnish george w bushes administrations plan to exploit the countrys of iraq afganistan and packistan by the agression that they started in the name of war profits, cheny and his henchmen need to be arested tried and sent to federal prison for life, but it wont happen !not when our government our upcomeing government under obama completes or at least atempts to complete chenys plans he made with the secrete enegery cartel in washington dc! enjoy the fantasy this time next yr the worm will have turned!

)O(

The dick gets indicted

Seems apppropriate somehow.

Enough to believe that Cheney actually gives a shit? HAH! He and his buddies will be sipping Margaritas in Paraguay and laughing at us before anybody actually DOES anything.

Dubai. Its Dubai capn (No relation).

And not a "ha ha" joke, a "*sigh*" joke. As Steve Benen has pointed out this morning, this was filed by a county prosecutor who has a pretty nutty reputation. He lost his office in the primary election (not the general, the *primary*) and is filing all kinds of politicized briefs against the people he doesn't like now that he's reached the 11th hour.

There is no way this is going anywhere.

but nothing will come of this indictment. Cheney will get away with all of the crimes he has committed, live a life of luxury and have a big laugh at us all. I've been disappointed too many times in the past to believe otherwise.

I would love to be wrong, but Cheney will use his enormous influence to reduce this "indicment" to a technicality.

This is a wet dream.

Don't ruin my wet dream L&L.

)O(

Why is it I can't get lucky even in my dreams?

I was surprised to hear this as the lead story on my local Fox news here in Houston last night. There is an incidental connection to Gitmo here if I heard the story correctly (the same organization behind both prisons), meaning the story could have further-reaching implications.

We can only hope.

You can search the story on the MSM, but no front page mentions.
The "liberal" media protecting Cheney and other evil-do-ers (sp George?)

Good to know such an honest administration is in charge of the 700 billion bailout deal.

How can anyone have any confidence in a bailout deal when it is administered by an organized crime cartel?

They killed Kenneth Keith Kallenbach!!!!

)O(

face it to politicians the voters are only pawns at a swapmeet , were charaters on a baseball card worth only what value we accure over a period of time, the senators trade and swap us to each other to other politicians and if the price is right they sell you out, they are like cheny users and you have to be a trader to be on the inside where the profits are , cheny bush obama they own the building where the swaping goes on , and none of them will ever be charged with chargeing to much for the cards they sell

You know that dick is right! You know that this is baseless! You know uncle dick is as pure as the driven snow, as honest as the day is long, and as trustworthy as god!
He will have the DA sent to Gitmo for a long vacation, some friendly torture, and his favorite waterboarding.
Trust uncle dick if you are a fool@!

He certainly has the Cheney compound in Dubai to escape to. He can easily slip out of the country. It could be a quick sentence in time for Bush to pardon him, all mission accomplished by Jan 20th. How many people can Bush pardon anyway?

We still have 60 days to go. Expect more stupid or heinous Bush acts. He's not going out with a whimper.

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But is boosh going out with condi?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Knows all, tells all: http://sparklepony.blogspot.com/

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Pretty sure this will "disappear" but I do have one question...Where the hell did "Dick" Cheney get $85,000,000?

Oh, right...

I'd love to know Dick's net worth. His Halliburton stock went up 5000% in 07,...

If an elected Federal Official is indicted for a crime, I thought it was the law you were immediately kicked out office?

But I could be wrong...

Cheney is close to the antichrist for me, but this sounds like one of those nuisance lawsuits. (He invested in a company that is involved in the prison system? Let's arrest anyone who has investments in China or Russia for that matter.) It might make him use up some of his millions in defense, but it will eventually get thrown out of court. Bush and Cheney and the Republicans (since 1994) have stocked the courts with conservative judges and blocked the appointment of any judge that would have taken this seriously.

I know someone who just opened a Vanguard account as an individual investor. They are known as one of the most prudent and low cost fund managers around. So is this prosecutor saying that all investors in Vanguard corporate are directly complicit in prison abuse? That sounds about as credible as saying Obama pals around with terrorists. Maybe I'm missing something, but on first read this indictment sounds like a joke.

The could get Gonzales on obstructing the investigation but I doubt they can pin anything on Cheney based merely on him being an investor. Vanguard has millions of investors. Are they going after all of them? Anyway he'll just claim that the Vanguard investment was in a blind trust and he didn't even know he owned it.

"I, president George Bush, hereby do pardon all members of my administration, includin' me - heh-heh - for all crimes and misdemeanors and stuff, no matter what they did or when they done it."

That there's just the first draft, but I betcha them Washington lawyers'll figure out how to make it stick!

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My money-market manager is Vanguard.

Couldn't wait to file this one, could they?

You see -- there is some question as to whether a president has the constitutional power to pardon people 'en masse' or even whether a president may pardon someone before an actual prosecution is taking place.

I don't believe this is for any other reason than to give Bush an opportunity to pardon a great many people, including Cheney. And he'll pardon AFTER an indictment, so it sticks.

They know they're losing power, and want to make sure the dems don't reverse a Bush pardon by sending it to the Supremes.

First, I SO called the attempt to move the case to a federal level. States rights, my ass.

According to the CNN article, Guerra was charged two years ago by his then political opponent with "misuse of office" along with other charges. Those charges were subsequently dropped by the special prosecutor when it was discovered there was no evidence to support these claims in the first place.

$85 million invested in one source. My, Cheney has certainly done well for himself in the past few years, hasn't he?

Much as I think Cheney deserves to be in jail, it won't happen. As long as Bush is in power (and can issue pardons) and until the Democrats evolve and grow a spine, Cheney will remain free. Like Bush, he's above the law.

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