Evan Bayh wanks away as he promotes Fox News talking points: Party has gone too far left
You can always count on Evan Bayh to act like a typical gutless conservaDem. As usual, he draws the wrong lessons from the loss in Massachusetts and takes his cues from Fox and David Broder.
What is the lesson of Massachusetts – where Democrats face the prospects of losing a Senate seat they’ve held since 1952? For Senator Bayh the lesson is that the party pushed an agenda that is too far to the left, alienating moderate and independent voters.
“It’s why moderates and independents even in a state as Democratic as Massachusetts just aren’t buying our message,” he said. “They just don’t believe the answers we are currently proposing are solving their problems. That’s something that has to be corrected.”
Bayh pointed that it’s not just Massachusetts. Independents also rejected Democratic gubernatorial candidates in New Jersey and Virginia in November. “ The only we are able to govern successfully in this country is by liberals and progressives making common cause with independents and moderates,” Bayh said. “Whenever you have just the furthest left elements of the Dem party attempting to impose their will on the rest of the country -- that’s not going to work too well.”
How about this lesson: If the Senate hadn't bowed down to the almighty health-insurance industry and come up with a decent health-care bill that excited the Democratic base, maybe Massachusetts voters would have come out in droves and honored the legacy of Teddy Kennedy.
That's backed up by a poll just released of those voters from Democracy for America:
HEALTH CARE BILL OPPONENTS THINK IT "DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH"
* by 3 to 2 among Obama voters who voted for Brown
* by 6 to 1 among Obama voters who stayed home
(18% of Obama supporters who voted supported Brown.)
VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT THE PUBLIC OPTION
* 82% of Obama voters who voted for Brown
* 86% of Obama voters who stayed home
OBAMA VOTERS WANT DEMOCRATS TO BE BOLDER
* 57% of Brown voters say Obama "not delivering enough" on change he promised
* 49% to 37% among voters who stayed home




But when the almighty flying F*CK did this administration do ANYTHING remotely leftist and follow through on it?
Bayh, you are effing PART of the problem so you might want to STFU.
No wonder you wound up a big FAIL.
you really sound like you have no idea what is really going on.
The Dems, Progressives and Independents of this country are decidedly against centrist and right wing social solutions.
Are you even listening to the people from these groups?
We want and know that sweeping social change is the course that must be piloted for our country to fulfill its promise.
Perhaps if your wife didn't have millions of dollars from drug and insurance companies and sat on multiple boards of the same you would have a clue.
You know where your gravy comes from.
It's not us and you are going down next. Count on it, print it, bet on it. You are done.
It seems that you just don't get it. We The People are willing to give power to our enemies for a short time in order to re-install a working government of the people for the long term.
Your either with us or against us.
We've been down for so long we really don't care who is sticking it to us any more.
So we will move you out of the way just to make our point and then get behind the social changers we know are best for our country.
You can comfortably retire and get away from our political process. We don't even care that you will be so rich you will never have another economic worry in the world.
You and your ilk will be out of power and real change using the best ideas of governance from around the world will be our future.
"working government of the people for the long term."
Cue the Kabuki....
but you get the same result which is what Bayh and his cronies need to understand.
Labeling the act is pretty useless and seems more of a philosophy than anything else.
Where the heck did the comment go that I was responding to? Something about not voting vs. voting for an R. ????
maybe not in your lifetime.
If there is truly a groundswell of backlash against the status quo and funding from the people for average citizen candidates, we can probably get a few into the halls of Congress in 12-20 years.
If I look through the lens of Progressive Optimism, 2012-2014 could be the breakthrough years.
2010 is the key. No support for any official who talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk.
Then bust the door down the next time around.
we have got to try a turn at total fundy fascism first?
well, this outta be fun...
Cue the Kabuki....
it seems that the only way the folks supposedly on the political left will listen is if we ignore them.
So while we may have to endure a few more years of right-wing follies, when we TELL the folks who operate the system who they WILL publicly support and fund, we will get the people who represent the vast interests of this side of the aisle elected instead of some talking head who has never felt the pain of living life as an average American.
Utopia? Never gonna happen.
Better governance and a better nation? Focus on the front sight, control the breath, hold steady on center mass and slowly squeeze. Bang.
did you see this story?
From ABC News:
U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes
Pentagon Supplier for Rifle Sights Says It Has 'Always' Added New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ on its high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company...Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract....
Cue the Kabuki....
god is on the killing bandwagon.
Now.
Read Bertram Gross' book, "Friendly Fascism" from 1982.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
since they are funded by Big Business, and the votes are counted by Big Business, and because the charade of modern day "elections" is disgusting and turning away many sensible people who used to vote.
If the politicians and their TV/Radio networks can convince an apparent majority of noisy-stupid-pig-people to vote for them, then the appearance of Democracy is still in place, though it is ragged and filthy and broken.
Remember the joke about "Regan's advisors are so good, you can't see their lips move when He speaks"?
Well nowadays we CAN see Fox and NBC and the AP's lips moving when politicians speak; in fact you can distinctly hear their voices echoing each other in a feedback loop of stupid-hate-insanity.
From your lips to God's ears.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
I challenge this Republican with a (D) behind his name to name one fucking thing 'the left' has gotten.
ONE FUCKING THING.
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"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
A more significant issue is the fact that this exact talking point will be used by the DLC et al to justify the reason why the Dems need to be pushed further to the right.
Joy!
standing around in shock after the next general election with their thums up their butts wondering why they lost so badly. Of all the groups that totally missed the point of the outcome of the 2008 elections, the DLC takes the cake for willful cluelessness. I guess that that's one of the points of all their bribe taking.
case of "cluelessness"
They know exactly what they are doing. The cluelessness comes from the dupes who cater to that very same fucked up POV which insists that the best approach to politics for the Dem party is to betray, abuse and insult the progressive Dem base, in order to cater to the sensibilities of the right voting block which will never support a Dem candidate regardless. Brilliant!
If the Dems continue to run DLC approved GOP-Lite candidates, this will continue to happen.
The DLC cannot be allowed to control the primary process in the coming election cycles...e.g. Harold Ford, Jr. must be stopped. It will only lead to another GOP victory.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
is exactly what the DLC wants. GOPer control provides them a huge amount of cover from behind which they can barter away the country for mere baubles. These clowns aren't so much stupid as they are complicit.
Agreed. That is why it is up to the people to stop them.
The problem obviously is most people can't connect the dots.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
sooner or later , though, the crooks will get so blatant that even the braindead will see what's going on. I operate from the perspective of considering most of these Bribe-O-Crats to be clinically definable sociopaths. One the the traits of such twisted personalities is that they are incapable of self-imposed restraint. The only restraints they accept on their behavior are those that are imposed by their need to maintain a dishonest public pretense of being good and well socialized individuals. Inevitably, when the sociopath achieves a state of relative security in whatever situation affords them power and the opportunities to prey, they begin to drop the pretense ( it cost them too much energy to continue to do maintenance on a thing that no longer serves an immediate purpose). That's the point where they become quite smug, assuming they are to well established to be removed or exiled from their positions of power. Their acts of opportunism and predation from that point become progressively more outrageous and public. when they become widely known for what they really are, it spells the beginning of the end for them. When their world comes crashing down on them they are always shocked, always self-pitying and always see themselves as the victims.
These dirtbags are riding high now, enjoying the little party that they call their lives. but their life's choices are inherently self-defeating. In the end, nobody escapes justice.
does that mean?????
"In the end, nobody escapes justice."
R U kidding? If WE don't change this political path, they get away with murder and live in the lap of luxury while the masses struggle.
If you believe they will get some sort of comeuppance once they die, they count you as one of their greatest champions.
but I believe that it's true. I'll also say this: that justice is sometimes profoundly subtle. I'll speak more about that at another time, but am splitting my attention in too many different directions to do it today. Or, you can just write me off as a deluded nutcase. All the same to me.
just a different view.
IMO a view that does more to help the right-wing across the board.
I just think divine retribution is as silly a concept as divine reward.
divine this or divine that. It has a lot to do with becoming the thing that you do.
For example, look at what Evan Bayh has made of himself. It's not very pretty. In doing what he does and has done, and making the choices he has made, better possibilities beyond number are no longer open to him. He is already reduced to living in a self-made construct of twisted reality, a fortess of lies and self-deceptions that he must maintain in order to justify himself. He has bartered away that which may have been the best in himself, and done it for mere trinkets and worthless baubles. He has made himself lesser than what he once was and lesser even more than what he could have been. As time goes on, his fortess will slowly become a prison, because he will need to revise his life's history with lies upon lies upon lies. Odds are, he won't even ever know or appreciate what he has done to himself. Wealth and power and the admiration of his peers, the satisfaction that he derives from successful predations as a sociopath...none of it will give him recompense for what he has lost or thrown away. And, none of these things will fill the empty spots that will surely grow within his inner being. He is already estranged from reality. That process will continue. He is doing harm in the world, but he is harming himself the most with every act. His future is one of outward success and inner emptyness. I haven't even scratched the surface about how his life is going wrong. And it's all happening now, today, not in some afterlife.
One of the faces of justice is that we become exactly that which we do. There is a reason why most people respect people who have struggled to clothe themselves in genuine virtues and have succeeded in becoming more than they once were. There is also a reason why most people are repulsed by those who do the opposite. In a sense, the crime is also always the punishment. That's justice. It's just the way the world works.
And now, it's go home time. Have a nice day.
"We will pass healthcare legislation one way or the other. It will get done."
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
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"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
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Anyone who listens to this sell-out jerk, deserves the oblivion their choice invites.
We might give you an opportunity to see how far you can go without us.
Louisville Lawyer
... is that their liberal base hasn't been betrayed, insulted and abused enough, apparently.
democrats even screw up the only thing I actually agree with them.
that socialized health care is better than the current system.
... but I've yet to see one vote for it.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Yes, I recall Nancy Pelosi lying about standing up for it as well as reproductive rights. In fact, I believe it was right here at C&L.
Fancy that!
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Only minutes after she said she'd been in favor of single payer for 30 years, she said HR 676 couldn't be considered because it hadn't been scored. Oops.
That's some 30 year commitment.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Is spewing this BS because he's attempting to rationalize and justify his own corruption. His constituents needs to toss his crooked ass out of office.
Well...at least it will be easier for them to get a grip on.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Hate to inform you but our choices are Evan Bayh or the crooked lap dogs of Mitch Daniels. I don't know which one is worse. But for me I will from now on leave the Senator box blank, voting neither for Bayh or whatever dog that the rethugs dig up in IN.
a voter driven primary challenge? You don't have to accept whoever the crooks put forward do you (I don't know how things work in your state)?
To take Indiana by storm in a VW bus.
If Wellstone could do it in Minnesota, another progressive could do it in Indiana.
Hey! That pickup truck worked for Scott, eh?
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
How's that working out in NY State.
See, this is the problem. WE, all of us, have allowed the system to be rigged. Americans have sat back, taken what politicians say as the rote truth simply because we're too lazy and apathetic to pay attention.
Democracy is HARD. Americans don't do hard.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
“Whenever you have just the furthest left elements of the Dem party attempting to impose their will on the rest of the country -- that’s not going to work too well.”
evan is sounding more and more like rush limbaugh everyday
i will donate money to anyone who challenges this bumblefuck
... just how much money does your wife stand to make off her WellPoint stock?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
From a 2007 article:
Guess she is not hurting financially.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
And I'm sure her stock will go even higher if the Senate Bill, drafted in large part by a WellPoint executive, is passed.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Damn, I was sure that was another cutsie "boo-boo" label by Fox News.
Nope, in this case it's a genuine, long-term fake label.
Evan Bayh is no more a Democrat than Joe Lieberman. In fact, did you know Evan Bayh wasn't actually born? One day Joe Lieberman had a big reuben sandwich, belched, and out popped Evan Bayh. True story.
Needless to say (so we must say it over and over), Evan Bayh is another fake Democrat that must be hounded out of office at the next available primary. Who needs these Republicans crashing our party?
LOL! Thanks man.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
instead they screwed the pooch on healthcare. I knew this would come back to bite them, it will likely bite them many more times this year. It would have been better to not get a strong single-payer bill voted down than this weak tea they are trying to serve now.
Maybe now the they will kick Lieberman to the curb? That would be a huge upside to the loss in Mass.
I am certain that the Insurance Companies could have worked out an equitable arrangement with the government where both they and all Americans could benefit. It could have been done.
But the Corporate Mentality is locked into cheating, thieving and lying. The political mentality of Repugs is to "rule with fear" while robbing the people of money, self respect, and lives; with the Democrat, all the while wearing White Hats and a Star, assisting them.
A corporation needs profits to survive.
Right now the federal government has "privatized" practically all factions of the government including the Congress ($$$$) and the White House. Even the military. I have read several places that there are currently more private mercenaries in Afghanistan and Iraq than there are U.S. military troops. Google it.
No just deal could ever be struck with any rotten for-profit corporation when it comes to AFFORDABLE, QUALITY healthcare for every American.
The only exception might have been with Conyers 676 Single Payer where included in the legislation was a clause that would allow all corporate insurance company employees to get first dibs on all healthcare related jobs (billing etc.).
There should be no room at the table for any corporations when it comes to healthcare legislation.
Doctors, nurses, hospital administrator wonks, pharmacists etc. and a few MBA's would probably suffice.
Corporations should be relegated to making widgets (I.V. tubings, syringes, hip pins, cath lab equipment, aspirin, antibiotics, dressings etc.).
There should be NO ROOM FOR PROFITS in America's healthcare system.
Health care is not just something we all "want". It is something we NEED TO SURVIVE.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
being written by the insurance companies is more of the same sh*t we had for 8 years with the Idiot King.
"Among voters who stayed home and opposed health care, a full 53 percent said they opposed the Senate [health care] bill **because it didn't go far enough***. 39 percent weren't sure and only eight percent thought it went too far.
Taken from interviews of 500 Obama backers who voted in the Senate election and 500 Obama backers who sat out the election, the firm discovered that 18 percent of Obama backers who voted in the Senate race ended up casting ballots for Brown.
Of that group, 82 percent said they favored a public option for insurance coverage, with 14 percent opposed. Of those who sat out the election, 86 percent favored the public option, while only seven percent opposed it. The findings suggests that progressive arguments that disappointed Obama supporters deserted have serious merit.
A majority of Obama voters who switched to Brown said that "Democratic policies were doing more to help Wall Street than Main Street." A full 95 percent said the economy was important or very important when it came to deciding their vote.
In a somewhat paradoxical finding, a plurality of voters who switched to the Republican -- 37 percent -- said that Democrats were not being "hard enough" in challenging Republican policies."
Ya think we'll hear about any of this in the media?
No.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
More like Evan Bought. He's no D if he's blaming the left.
There are very few in Congress who are left wing, only three spring to mind, Dennis Kucinich, Bernie Sanders and Alan Grayson, please feel free to add to my list... The rest of the dems are blue republicans...
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"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
have seemingly played us. BHO swept into office with a REAL mandate. I seem to remember something...what was it?...oh yeah, CHANGE. Uh huh, change we can believe in.
After 8 years of criminal wrongdoing in the WH, a wrecked economy and 2 insane wars instead of pushing through the proposed CHANGES the DUMBS were elected on - BHO decided to "play nice". Dude, the pricks on the other side of the aisle sole purpose is to make you fail. You've allowed a small minority continue running gov't.
Like others have already posted, it's time to MAN UP, grow some balls, or whatever other synonym you prefer to use. The bottom line is that we DON'T want this country to move any further to the right!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32245200@N00/429...
Cue the Kabuki....
Slightly OT
but Obama is a true putz.
No more votes for him.
http://rawstory.com/2010/01/obama-concedes-ja...
indeed.....
"Here's one thing I know and I just want to make sure that this is off the table. The Senate certainly shouldn't try to jam anything through until Scott Brown is seated[.] People in Massachusetts spoke. He's got to be part of that process."
what a buffoon.......
Cue the Kabuki....
when Fox Noise will put an (R) next to BHO's name in a graphic?!
Because Faux news only lies in their broadcasts.
get it
Cue the Kabuki....
At this point he'll pass a wet newspaper and call it "reform".
"hoping" this might wake him up, but no.
I foresee civil wars in the Repub and Dems parties. Which is a good thing, except for the chaos and disaster it will bring for everyone until the dust settles.
the country will continue its downward spiral.
that anything that resembled the US will come out of this intact.
professional politicians keep getting elected and the gullible keep voting against their own best interests, this country is doomed.
To listen to people that have 25% of the vote but 98% of the bullshit we are fucked.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness and it is killing America!
You say:
"How about this lesson: If the Senate hadn't bowed down to the almighty health-insurance industry and come up with a decent health-care bill that excited the Democratic base, maybe Massachusetts voters would have come out in droves and honored the legacy of Teddy Kennedy.
That's backed up by a poll just released of those voters from Democracy for America"
Why were the voters who stayed home not asked why they stayed home? If they were, why was it not part of the released results? If the answer was available you would not have to qualify your lesson with the word "maybe."
Is there any statistical difference on key questions
between voters and non voters that would either bolster your argument that stronger health care proposals or perceptions of how aggressive the administration has pursued change might have fueled higher turnout? I do not see it but perhaps you do and can make the case.
What I see from the numbers is that Massachusettes voters favor a stong government health care plan and stonger economic regulation, but not that it would have made much of a difference. A stronger economic populist approach would have helped with independents.
On the key question of whether the administration is bringing about promised change, I see little difference between non voters and voters. Independent voters are nominally less likely to think change has been made than Democrats.
The real telling numbers in the poll are that nobody thought Coakley or Brown represented them on the economic issues but that independents who voted for Obama went to Brown while Democrats stayed with Coakley. That does not spell the kind of dissatisfaction among the broader base that we hear expressed here at C&L.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Why on Earth the Dems didn't run an established Liberal -as Kennedy was- but backed this arrogant, unpleasant, and LAZY woman, who didn't even bother to properly campaign. She showed obvious contempt for the people of Massachusetts; why the Heck would they vote for HER?
what swayed voters in Mass. as opposed to how voters in Mass. felt about issues important to the pollsters, it might have yielded interesting results.
This poll tells us that most people who voted for Obama and then switched to Brown did not think Coakley cared about them on economic issues which were reported by these voters to be more important to them than health care. Other than that it is not all that instructive. There were not enough Obama Democrats who switched to Brown to make that subgroup measurable with any degree of confidence. No questions were presented of the views of Obama voters who voted for Coakley, and many questions asked of those who did vote were not asked of those who did not.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Maybe if Congress and the White House were passing a bill WORTHY of Ted Kennedy "Massachusetts voters would have come out in droves and honored the legacy of Teddy Kennedy."
The current bill is atrocious and both Obama's and Congress' behavior have been reprehensible.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
bills suck. Now I doubt we'll get any kind of reform, even watered-down measures.
I thought that was Moanica...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
That comes from growing up in a state that is generally so red, blood is envious. Hard to believe his father was a real Democrat. Evvie's just a polyester man in a silk suit.
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
Hunter S. Thompson
Fer Cryin Out Loud!!
It has NOTHING to do with going "too far to the left" or even "going too far to the right" ..
It's about two things:
1) KEEPING PROMISES (hint hint)
2) THE ECONOMY (Main St NOT Wall St)
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
You mean the poll results show exactly what I've been taking so much shit for saying here the last few days? Huh.
I knew like everyone here, that the GOP MSM would be talking about "Obama the lefty socialist pinko commie going too far left, people would rather die than have health care....blah, blah, blah, bullshit."
When anyone with two I.Q. points to rub together, knows that he is in deep shit because he hired Rahm Fuckhead Emmanuel - and all the other Clinton flunky republicans, to run his administration. And believe it or not, just like in 94', the democrats are now less popular than freaking repukes! Who could have figured the folks would have said fuck you again to asshole Emmanuel and the DLC? I'm shocked?
As far as Evan Bahy goes, I wish he would turn repuke along with Lieberman, and take all of the other DINO's with them. That way, we could run real democrats against them.
This Evan idiot is another one of those democrats who John Stewart so aptly described: "they are sitting in the principals office, wondering how they glued their nuts to their thighs!"
This country is just getting too freakin' Orwellean.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
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of the REAL progressive movement, I object to your use of Jon Stewart, the comedian, at the end. His joke is designed for laughs, not accuracy. It implies Democrats have nuts. We all know our caucus has been imploring them to grow a pair. You cannot glue what you do not have.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
LOL!
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
Machiavellian.
What disturbs me the most is how easily people, especially corporate democrats buy into the Monopoly Media's narratives, currently repugnants "coming back to power". Utterly disgusting and stupid.
It's not just Fux creating talking points, the others have the (R) agenda as well. Thank God for the internet.
Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein
For 50 years Massachusetts has had one of the most progressive senators in congress. The dumb politician that follows him loses the election and Bayh thinks it is because she is too liberal? Pull your head out of your posterior, Evan! They lost this election because the Democrats cowtow to the corporate sellouts like you!
Candideinnc
to be the template for a national plan.
I would hardly call Kennedy a "progressive".
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
He liberalized the Massachusetts laws, and he was the one pushing for Medicare for all--a hell of a lot more progressive than our president!
Candideinnc
is reacting to this defeat by watering down the bill even more.
If he waters his agenda much more, he is going to drown!
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
that's why Allan Grayson has become so popular so fast.
Do us ALL a favor, Evan, RETIRE!
..........is beyond being an embarrassment to Indiana, Would someone please run against him, please?
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