FRC spokesman calls Dr. Tiller, Dr. Killer by mistake
Contessa Brewer of MSNBC laid out the argument to Cathy Ruse, an FRC spokesman, who condemned the assassination---that if the police were looking for a mass murderer, which is how Dr. Tiller had been portrayed by the anti-choice movement, they would take him out with deadly force. So their arguments against Dr. Tiller were absurd. She got a little flustered and let something slip out that she probably wish she hadn't.
Brewer: Look at the logic of it. If we knew that a mass murderer was running around, our law enforcement would do everything in their power to stop them and in that moment if a life was going to be taken, they would take that mass murderer out. So it would be a life, so if you believe or if someone believes that an abortion doctor is a mass murderer, I don't know if logic is on your side there.
Ruse: This man who killed Doctor Killer, ahhh Doctor Tiller, excuse me, was apparently part of a movement, an anti-government movement who believe that they are not held within the law...
OK, a slip of the tongue, maybe...but then she cited facts that were not true.
Ruse: Interestingly, all the abortions that were done at 22 weeks and beyond by Tiller and others had been done for non emergency reasons so....
How does Ruse know this? Does the FRC know the medical history of every case that Dr. Tiller and others worked on? And at no time did Ruse ever mention the health of the mother. It's like a mother doesn't even exist in their thoughts. And when you call people mass murderers long enough, violence is sure to follow. It's what David Neiwert has been writing about for a long time and his book (The Eliminationists: How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right) highlights. The violent rhetoric of the far right has great influence to lead people down a violent path.
This looks more and more like a terrorist cell is involved. They walk among us.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Isn't doctor patient confidentiality still law?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Not in Kansas.
Ask Phil Klein.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Actually it's already been proven that Scott Roeder has a connection to the local terrorist group, Operation Rescue. Roeder had convicted clinic bomber, Cheryl Sullenger (OR's VP and spokesperson) name and number in the car. According to Kansas City's paper The Pitch, Sullenger admitted to having conversations with Roeder. Roeder occasionally made comments on the Operation Rescue website. Only comments approved by the webmaster are allowed to be put on the comment section.
What were those comments about? It was about going to Tiller's church, going inside and causing some trouble. Such a thing happened awhile back and two members of Operation Rescue were arrested for causing a disturbance (I'm assuming charges were dropped, as they always are).
Not a lone gunman.
So will he be charged with engaging in terrorism then???!?!?!?
He better!
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
law inforcement will begin to look at "pro-life" groups as domestic terrorist organizations, who achieve their goals through fear, intimidation, harassment and murder.
Unless law enforcement is already too heavily infiltrated for them to be objective...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
but Holder dispatching US Marshalls to the few remaining doctors who perform late-term abortions was a step in the right direction.
Yes, how DOES she know that? How COULD she know that? What an outrageous claim and so typical of black and white arguments. Jeez!
The facts are whatever she wants them to be - you should know that by now!
That's why I asked my question above.
I think this is the typical, don't bother with facts, that we here so often from the right.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
when you have useless asshole journalists who
have no idea how to ask relevant questions or
listen to the bullshit thrown at them and then
challenge these douchbags, then the public is
never served the truth and the reichtwingnuttia
will always prevail with their lies.
tv and the radio are full of miscreants who
prose as journalists but are just 1 digit
above a carrot on the IQ scale.
This is serious and it's more than just Tiller and more than just abortion. These right wing extremist are murdering liberals. You have the Becks and Limbaughs preaching for revolutions. You have Governors calling for secession. And we have the Terry's and his members shooting us in church. Let's not forget the McVeigh's and Koresch's. This is their civil war. One of these days we'll have to fight back if the government wont stop people. And that includes O'Reilly inciting people by calling Tiller the "Killer" constantly. Any day any one of us could become a victim of the rights violence.
is intended to be a factual statement
political party identity has become not a way of looking at issues and informing a vote and voice in politics, it's become a tribal identity along with tribal feuds that never end.
This is what happens when you use the Bible as a moral compass.
Ya, and we are already sort of victims. The government is also a victim - hopefully that is changing, but the Republicans must go before things can get better. They'll use any excuse to terrorize us, including a woman's freedom of choice. Why do terrorists hate our freedoms?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Pro Lifers think that fetuses are people. Hence abortion is mass murder when it is done on the scale that we do it in the US.
Pro Lifers tend to be Christians, which explains their unrealistic world view. They suffer from a neurological disorder, it's called faith.
Pro Choice people think abortion is the right of all women and should be cheap and easy to get. I am Pro Choice!
Both Groups want few abortions. Each group has a different spin on how that will happen.
Pro Lifers think that morality can keep people from fucking. It won't. Ask Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston!
Pro Choice people think lot's of sex education and available contraceptives will keep down unwanted pregnancies. They are correct.
Each group acts accordingly. It is so hard to understand why we need 50 posts about the same subject to understand what we already understand. Pro Lifers are wrong. Pro Choice people are right.
WTF?
Go watch. You'll see chilling parallels to how the Right works.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=80141...
contessa brewer of MSNBC is
a prime reason why the reichwingnuts
should be kept off tv.
... one of these pro life people what do they do for the children that are already here? How many of them have they helped?
that they believe the rights of a fetus supercede those of a 16 year old girl or 30 year old woman.
I'm wondering if this heinous event in KS will have any affect on today's court decision in KY? They are suppose to rule on a motion to dismiss a suit related to terrorism and god. It's to decide if their (KY) two statutes that proclaim "reliance upon Almighty God" as a strategy in combating terrorism, is permissible and if the Kentucky Office of Homeland Security has the state's right to display a religious quote to that effect in its office and promotional materials.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Get real. More like accidentally on purpose.
dispensing the morning after pill. Suppose they're next.
engaging in Sociopathy.
Shocking.
me-oww!
Freudian slip?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
I'm sure...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozgx4NZdfec
He also appeared on Fox news several times last month. Incitement? You be the judge.
I could only watch a couple of minutes of the lying.
First, there is the faux "60 minutes" news style delivery of the well haberdashered Tony Perkins, second, the statement of that all contributors to Tiller's PAC are "abortionists" (where's the documentation?) and claims that all the babies could survive outside the mothers' wombs.
Where's his proof?
i don't know if any of you caught this from John Cole's site yesterday, but just because a baby can survive temporarily outside of the womb does not necessarily mean that it should.
is a truly lucrative "business" too. Why, just look at that ornate architecture, the intricate landscaping, all the luxury staff cars in the parking lot...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
And working in beautiful downtown Wichita.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
No Mercy - Bullies For Jesus
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
These are difficult moral decisions, made by individuals who do not want an abortion, full stop.
Whether you're young and healthy or you get pregnant through IVF, there are many, many complications that can happen along the way.
You can lose a baby AT ANY TIME. I have friends who've lost their baby at five months. I have friends who've lost their baby at birth. Are they murderers?
Where do you draw the line? If someone smokes and drinks and they have a miscarriage, should they go to jail? Because they almost certainly caused that baby's death.
And say you find out your baby is severely deformed. Is it moral to abort that baby? Is it any more moral to bring that child into the world, knowing how impossible their life will be?
There are many complex moral issues that maybe we don't all agree with. I think people who smoke around their children are killing them. That doesn't mean I think we ought to throw them in jail or execute them.
DOMESTIC TERRORIST, and "Dr." Ruse is a cell leader.
America isn't becoming socialist, it's becoming sociopath.
If I called Ms. Brewer, C**tessa (I'm sure you get my drift) would that be acceptable?
Since when is FRC a credible source?
What does FRC stand for?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
fucking rightwing ****
and i know this will be deleted...but i couldnt resist...sorry
oh, the word was edited....but it rhymes with bunt
How do you pronounce ****?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
wingnuts believe that once a woman becomes pregnant, she is nothing more than a walking, talking, incubator
didnt you listen to loofa boy make light of women who get late term abortions because of depression?
we arent talking being sad....usually we are talking suicidal ideation
and i know of such a case
i have been having a running argument with someone who insists that he is an athiest, and is anti abortion
he thought the murder of tiller was cool beans
how the fuck can there be an athiest who is anti abortion...can someone explain that to me?
its like an athiest who thinks global warming is bs
I noticed a similar connotation on this site yesterday. I was baffled by the unusual combination myself, Joe. :-/
To each their own... accordingly
Study the symptoms not the virus...
I saw this interview today too and Ruse's Freudian slip, which I am sure is no accident. Ruse is just another of those android pissant pro "life" dupes who freely gloat about their moral "superiority." In reality they are little better than the Taliban, who they proclaim to be their enemy---but freely adopt their tactics when convenient.
People like Ruse are little more than (im)moral opportunists, who invoke their righteousness when it's politcally convenient or when it suits their self centered objectives.
And Contessa---get a god damn spine and stand for something redemptive for once. Your flaccid ass responses to this ninny make it clear that you and the MSM cowards you call colleagues are
enablers for these simpering idiots. Boy, it must really suck to be you.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
I was going to ask what FRC stood for, but then I watched the video...Family Research Council.
Edited by Author
Fornicating - Republican - Conservative? :-PStudy the symptoms not the virus...
"How does Ruse know this? Does the FRC know the medical history of every case that Dr. Tiller and others worked on?"
She knows because BillO told her so?
BillO said he had "incontrovertible evidence". It was so "incontrovertible" that it couldn't even hold up in a court of law since Tiller was found not guilty.
"Incontrovertible evidence"?
What'd he do? Break into Dr. Tiller's office and steal the records? Because that's what it would take.
So Bill is not only a christian Fundamentalist terrorist, but he's a burglar too?
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Who are the FRC?
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They are killing us. Killing us. How do we respond? Do we take up guns, and become one of them? Do we hope the republicants collapse and we can legislate safety from terrorists? Sounds silly? No? If the desperate last moves of a republicant minority is to keep shooting, what do we do?
And BTW - give me a concrete example of a liberal shooting a conservative for his/hers views or profession>
“The government had declared war on the left. Nixon's appointment of Ford as vice president and his resignation making Ford president seemed to be a continuing assault on America.”
Sara Jane Moore... [ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30978026/ ]
Is this one of those radical lefties I've heard about?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
the murder of two military recruitment workers. what does that have to do with anything and they shooter wasn't exactly a pacifist.
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