Glenn Beck and James Dobson cry out about the destruction of GOD
By John Amato Saturday Jan 24, 2009 5:19pm
Beware America, progressives want to end prayer -- which means to these maniacs the elimination of GOD. That's the wackiness coming from Glenn Beck last week while I was in DC.
He doesn't have John Gibson's hairdo, but he does keep the insane right-wing nonsense alive and well that FOX craves. He easily slips into the 2/5PM time slot quite nicely for FOX as Gibby's replacement. As all C&L readers know, I'm not hostile to religion, I was brought up a Catholic, but extremists like Dobson do a disservice to the moderates that practice religion at their own pace. Now back to the video.
The first order of business was for Beck and Dobson to lovingly embrace each other like long lost lovers for the FOX followers because in late December Dobson was forced to take down a Beck article off his website because Glenn is part of the Mormon Cult. Pam has the story.
Good times, good times. To dispel the so-called rumors of a rift between the two, Beck says he got a Christmas card from Dobson and oh, how they are so much in love.
Dobson: Boy Glenn, I have no idea where that came from. It's just goofy.
It came from his Christian followers. Ahhh, all is forgiven...Now to the meat of the segment. It's about a "moment of silence" law passed in Ill. back in '07 that was rejected by America's governor, (Blagojevich) but was still passed through his veto. Just another coded attempt at injecting religion into the public school system. A lawsuit was then filed:
A 14-year-old girl and her outspoken atheist father filed a federal lawsuit Friday challenging a new Illinois law requiring a brief period of prayer or reflective silence at the start of every school day. The lawsuit asks the court to declare the law unconstitutional, said attorney Gregory Kulis,
--A federal judge has ruled that a state law requiring a moment of silence in public schools across Illinois is unconstitutional, saying it crosses the line separating church and state.
"The statute is a subtle effort to force students at impressionable ages to contemplate religion," U.S. District Judge Robert W. Gettleman said in his ruling Wednesday.
Now you have a little context to work with since Beck wouldn't ever fill you in with all the details. You know, it's just the usual conservative whineathon session that embodies the extreme right when they appear on camera.
Beck extrapolates from this ruling that if GOD doesn't exist and GOD gives us our rights, then who gives you your rights? The States, maybe? I thought it came from our constitution, but that's just me. Anyway, WTF where they talking about in this video? (watch the video. I can't write that up) This ruling has nothing to do with our rights or the elimination of GOD. It's about keeping the separation of church and state intact.
So after a nonsensical discussion about our rights, Beck talks about Dobson's 20 year old interview with serial killer Ted Bundy. Dobson starts out by saying that Bundy wanted to comment on pornography just before his execution because Dobson had been part of putting together a massive report on it so he invited him for an interview. So I was waiting for the punchline of Bundy blaming porn for his treachery, but no ... he just admitted to being addicted to it and then predicted that more violence would occur if violent porn still continued... Oh, words of wisdom from a psycho killer that Dobson clings on to like a badge of honor. Only a man like Dobson would use a serial killer, prone to lie about everything to make his point.
Dobson also has a fascination with David Berkowitz, the 44 Killer. FOF did a three part interview with him.
I found this old post I wrote called "Things They Share:
Bill Frist disclosed that he went to animal shelters and pretended to adopt the cats, telling shelter personnel he intended to keep them as pets. Instead he used them to sharpen his surgical skills, killing them in the process.
James Dobson: When I returned I held up the belt and again told my angry dog to get into his bed. He stood his ground, so I gave him a firm swat across the rear end and he tried to bite the belt. The tiny dog and I had the most vicious fight ever staged between man and beast. ... I eventually got him to bed, but only because I outweighed him 200 to 12.
Albert DeSalvo (the Boston Strangler): In his youth he trapped dogs and cats in orange crates and shot arrows through the boxes.
Jeffrey Dahmer staked cats to trees and decapitated dogs.
Henry Lee Lucas As a child, he killed every cat on his parent's farm.
David Berkowitz killed his neighbour's Labrador retriever.
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If we godless liberals want to get rid of God, and there is a God, wouldn't said God stop us from getting rid of him? Just sayin'.
It sure is nice that God has these two to look out for Him.
'Can G-d make a rock so heavy that not even He can lift it?'
Can God make another God who is greater than his progenitor? And if not, will he concede to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that he is just a two-bit hack?
About Thor - "My god carries a hammer - your god got nailed. Any questions?" I LOVE religious humor. Maher's movie was great.
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Interesting question. If God is omnipotent, then he would be able to create another being more perfect and powerful than himself. But then he would have to concede that he is a lesser God.
Hmmmmm.......
Yeah - that's just one good example. In the atheist chat-rooms - a significant portion of said atheists became atheists AFTER they actually read the bible.
My sister-in-law is Jewish - non-orthodox, and non-practicing actually. She said that within the faith - the OT stories are in the same class as Aesop's Fables are culturally. Moral tales - nothing more.
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Is there any truth to the story that Dubya use to blow up frogs as a kid by placing firecrackers in their mouths?
Can't anyone choose to pray in silence at the beginning of a class? Why would it be necessary to have a formal momentset aside? I for one pray silently every morning that Dubya contract testicular cancer but Ba'al does not seem to be paying attention.
My parents call themselves conservative and I told them to stop. They asked why?
I said Conservatism is not what it was. Now it almost literally means Neo-Conservatism or Fascism.
We aren't like that!
I know you aren't mom, but people have hijacked what we stood for. I am a conservative who wants to keep to himself, have a few kids, not tell people how to live their lives. Do the right thing, stand up for your neighbors etc...
Those are good conservative values she said.
I agreed, but told her that those are values of "Liberals" now.
The New Conservatism means hate and fear your neighbors, get yours before they get theirs, dog eat dog, force the babies out but enslave them to work for you. Money matters before all else and humanity is a thing of the past and we must force others to believe and act as we do.
She was shocked. But I said keep watching the news and tell me if they EVER deviate from the neo-conservative view.
After a week she stopped watching TV.
Man, I wish that dog would have bitten Dobson's nuts off. Good boy...
That story breaks my heart. Ever read it? It's an easy google.
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Why can't these guys leave the Republican Party and form their own? No, instead, they'll continue to drag the GOP down. How extreme can you get?
Sounds like a sound plan to me.
party down? How does one drag down the willing?
Dear God,
Please protect me from those that believe in you.
-debaser71
The fact that these two have any sort of mass medium to express themselve in proves that there is no God. No God could be that cruel...
Besides, what the Glenster knows about any subect would fit on the back of a postage stamp.
These two need to get a fucking room.
take it either way.
Jon Stewart and Bill Maher and Stephen Colbert etc. cont. to bust all their balls until their heads explode.
And there's a lot of that going on. InSannity and Limpballs, Ingraham and O'LIElly, Cavoto and Malkin. It's almost funny.
I think they're talking to each other because no one else will put themselves out front in the sewage-spewing, hate-filled sessions they want in order to vent right now.
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John: Our rights don't come from the constitution, they are just enshrined there. They exist by virtue of our humanity. People who live in countries that do not have, for example, protected free speech still have a right to free expression, it's just that their government denies them that natural right. An ideological viewpoiny, admittedly, but there you are.
All rights are inalienable Human Rights.
*peep*
I was at Tillinghast Feed store in LaConner, and I was parked facing the parking lot. I saw a young girl arguing with her dad. He drew his well muscled arm way back, ready to backhand her. Before I knew it, I was out of my car, with my fists clenched, and I realised I had let out a rebel yell, though I never heard it. He backed way down, slunk to the van and drove away, leaving his daughter and a bunch of weeping womenfolk behind. I was so totally ready to swing for this abuser.
Dobson and I are incredibly lucky I was not in da house, because apparently, I can't help it. Hope his dog ran away. Fucking dick.
yelling is a good start, it gets their attention. that makes it hard for them to refocus their anger. a blood curdling, ripping cloth style rebel yell is an excellent choice, it makes you sound bat shit crazy.
is one of my favorite shops in LaConnor. Just a short hop from Camano Island, where I lived at the time.
I remember this interview quite well; anything Bundy was covered extensively by the local news stations at the time. I think the conventional wisdom after all the dust settled was that this was one in a series of cynical ploys by Bundy to obtain a stay of execution or perhaps clemency. What is left out of this discussion is that Bundy was the consummate con man and this video is Dobson's unwitting testimony to how good he was. It is the reason Bundy was such a prolific killer: he gained the trust of his victims.
Bottom line: Bundy played Dobson like a fiddle and Dobson is either STILL too stupid to realize it or too cynical to admit it.
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These extreme behaviors and the overwhelming need for control indicate they are almost certainly sociopaths. Years of exposure to their politics, statements, maneuvering and manipulating -- support this conclusion.
Protect yourself and learn to recognize the behaviors. Aside from the damage someone like Dobson is determined to do to our country -- in a one-on-one relationship, sociopaths are capable of wreaking terrible havoc - they ruin people lives.
They are Sukek - the Destroyer.
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BTW - Not-so-revered Dobson, that must have been some battle between man and dog!
"The tiny dog and I had the most vicious fight ever staged between man and beast. ... I eventually got him to bed, but only because I outweighed him 200 to 12."
Yeah, but he outsmarted you in IQ points by 200 to 12!!!
And please don't tell me what position you used on him in bed!!!
As far as vicious, you stupid religious prick, ever uh, like, ever hear about the Christians and the lions?
Oh Dr. Dobson, still using a known psychopath as a spokesman. LOL
I truly don't understand why you give so much space to dopes like Beck, O'Reilly, Coulter and the like.
They have lots of outlets.
Why don't you seek out comments by intelligent, thoughtful people?
I would like to know Nader's take on the last week's events.
I would like to know what Chomsky has to say.
I would like to know what Helen Thomas has to say.
You have the resources to find out this kind of information.
Why do you focus on fools?
[You have the same resources we do. And check out Tyler Durden's response to you, just below-Sitemonitor]
What part of CROOKS AND LIARS you did not comprehend?
is of priority.
The featured guests in this post are entertainment feather weights.
Get to the important crooks and liars, the Fat Cats, those that oppress the masses, US.
The best information comes from the great voices of reason such as found below.
Thanks for the links and your comment.
Chomsky on two divergent views of globalization here.
Chomsky and Israel's right to defend themselves, but not with force, here.
Michael Parenti on Capitalism here.
Labor versus Capital Worldwide here.
Parenti on the overthrow of communism, here.
Parenti on the poor. How and why the uber rich need them, here.
Nader on almost everything, here.
Nader's ten point plan before the bailout, here.
Nader's 4 point plan to reverse the bailout, here.
a lot of med students use shelter animals, or strays to study dissection. Just ask them.
Now Dobson: He sounds really nasty. When he dies and goes to Hell, he'll get a warm welcome from Dalhmer and the others.
I'm guessing that some folks actually buy this whole line of crap. that alarms me. they seem to champion less government intervention yet with this issue they seem to want more. do they really want the government to do religion? won't government just create bureaucracy, install a bunch of napoleonic administrators and make it more expensive? oh... waitaminute...oh, now i understand.
I'm all for prayer. Why, just moments ago, I concluded a heart felt prayer that both of these douchebags would get struck by lightning.
Amen!!!
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"Saying AMEN after prayer is like hitting the ENTER key."
[Graham Kendall]
:-P
Amen Ra?
What kind of wussy God can't handle being in political disfavor? The Good I pray to has reigned for 2000 years in places and times far less favorable to Him than today's America. These insecure little children aren't afraid of the destruction of God, they're afraid of their little God and world view collapsing. To them, if a large majority of people don't agree with them, their beliefs aren't valid. And darn, darn, darn that science that keeps revealing that their literal fundamentalist Christianity isn't consistant with scientific facts. Sometimes, you have to face the reality that your understanding of the world is wrong, as is that of a large majority of people. It's scary, but it's part of the human condition. Heck, evolutionists and creationists may all be wrong and we'll discover we were seeded by aliens or something, I don't know. Whatever the facts reveal; we should face them. Shouting facts down or passing laws against them doesn't change them.
My favorite Carl Sagan line: "He preferred the truth over his dearest held illusion. That is the heart of science."
"As all C&L readers know, I'm not hostile to religion, I was brought up a Catholic, but extremists like Dobson do a disservice to the moderates that practice religion at their own pace."
I think religious moderates with theiur wishy washiness provide cover for the more extreme religionists. It's the moderates who insist everyone be so damned nice about religion. It's moderates who make criticizing extremists that much more difficult. Bill Maher made this point in his movie Riligilous but it was Sam Harris in The End of Faith that really made this excellent point.
I am so tired of religious moderates who never speak out against the nutcases. I thoroughly enjoyed The End of Faith and his small book, Letter to a Christian Nation.
Here's another vote for that.
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now it's time for Christian moderates to step up to the plate.
...for the same good reasons. Christians, disavow your extremists, LOUDLY. They use you as human shields, you will get egg on you.
If the flock does this, does it long enough, does it loud enough, they will realize that perhaps a liberal Christianity or Islam, or any other religion is best... It will take facing what the looney tunes of all of these religious are up to before they can do that...
Like I said, I'm so glad I got out...
And, as someone who has found some of the more hardcore evangelicals fascinating in a train wreck sort of way, to the point of reading just about any kind of material on them, esp. with respect to gender issues, perhaps I ought to resurrect my abandoned blog and include more material on these issues...
Could you please explain, what you define as (cover) above?
You state, "I think religious moderates with theiur wishy washiness provide cover for the more extreme religionists."
I would call this coverage and or exposer, not too mention the add for http://www.thegodmovie.com/?gclid=CK-e2_n_qJg... attached to the site. I understand your frustration, though I don't believe Sam shows the same.
Would you say Mr. Harris is not cordial to believers?
PS.They have Dial a Prayer for atheists now. It rings and rings but nobody answers. :-P
How many psycho-killers are religious fanatics? I would guess most. Along with terrorists and suicide bombers.
Is C & L sure they want to waste bandwidth on these two idiots? There are many more important issues to deal with now. The religiously crazy right wing party is over, and all these jerks deserve is our benign neglect. Of course they are fun to observe, sort of like a bad car accident, but this is the last comment I will have about them.
What a frgn' weird conversation. I couldn't watch the whole thing....had to jump through it.
John, you're right about Beck being a Gibson clone, without the hairdo. They're both whack jobs; they're both morons. When I saw Beck on BillO the Clown's show a week ago, I sent BillO an email asking him why in the heck he even had that moron Beck on his show. I told BillO that Beck was just like Gibson.
I will never ever figure out how people like this were created or where they came from. They are just too bizarre to even believe that they can exist.
Yes, yes, yes!!! Beck is a Gibson clone. They ARE both very stupid people. Some how Gibson got his break during the O.J. thing and was ready to fizzle out and then went to Fox and started this right wing insanity lying idiocy and they like it. Well they mostly like it but he is so lame that they shoved him out the Fox TV door to Fox Radio. How Beck got there I cannot even fathom. He is stupider that Gibson but has the same idiotic delivery. I guess he will be history in a short period of time. I think that Amato should hammer on him as often as he comes up with this batshit crazy nonsense. Call him out at every turn. It is so obvious how stupid he really is.
I hardly ever use the word because its thrown around too easily these days and is losing its deservedly dark connontation,but I simply cannot see a picture of James Dobson without thinking:NAZI.
Are we having an "end to god" party? Can I have first swing at the deity pinata? LOL!!!
The Declaration of Independence does disclose the source of rights. Hint: It ain't the Constitution, Humanity, or any earthly source,but to quote the owner here, "that's just me...:
BTW, Obama mentioned God more in his Inaugural more than Reagan did in his or Lincoln in his second, often considered to be the most religious of any presidential speech.
You know, my faith is one that admits some doubt.
[Barack Obama}
He must get that from his mother and or Father?
The Declaration of Independence does disclose the source of rights. Hint: It ain't the Constitution, Humanity, or any earthly source,but to quote the owner here, "that's just me...:
BTW, Obama mentioned God more in his Inaugural more than Reagan did in his or Lincoln in his second, often considered to be the most religious of any presidential speech.
http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=gaa9iw85tW8
"However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being.But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom.They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to bea moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C," and "D." Just who dothey think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism." [Senator Barry Goldwater]
What strikes me as odd is that they talk about the Constitution as though the phrase "that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" comes from that document. It comes instead from the Declaration of Independence, paragraph two. It is probably one of the most oft repeated and referenced lines in that document. And these stalwarts of conservatism, of "Americanism" don't know the difference between these two documents and their respective intent?
Dobson is mourning his sudden loss of influence and power. McCain and Palin weren't the only ones who were promised they would win the election. Dobson is seeking other ways to stay relevant. Faux network is happy to help, as they're in the same boat.
It's important to remember that there is little difference between politics and religion. They both boil down to a need for Power, Control and Money. But you first need Control - or you get nothing else. This need for control is evident in the painfully cruel behaviors to those less powerful than they are -- animals. (Do any of us doubt these behaviors were completely evident in Dobson's parenting as well?)
We can expect to see many more exchanges of this nature, as the hate-filled, rabid, reich-wing religious, troglodyte nut-jobs desperately continue to claw their way through the public discourse in their frenetic efforts for political control and power.
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Bundy was a good student at Woodrow Wilson High School, in Tacoma, and was active in a local Methodist church, serving as vice-president of the Methodist Youth Fellowship. He was involved with a local troop of the Boy Scouts of America.
"After serving on the anti-pornography commission, Dobson made a splashy, opportunistic move: In January 1989, he paid a visit to serial killer Ted Bundy on Florida's Death Row (supposedly at Bundy's request). Hours before Bundy went to the electric chair, Dobson conducted a videotaped interview with him. In the interview, Bundy says pornography played a role in making him a serial killer. Dobson advertised the twenty-nine-minute video, peddling it in exchange for $25 donations. Later, according to a Los Angeles Times account, a number of psychologists objected that Dobson used the interview to link hard-core pornography to violent crime, "a correlation they claimed was unproven generally, and particularly in the case of Bundy."
[Nancy Novosad, on Dr. James Dobson (head of Focus on the Family) and his propagandistic use of an interview with convicted killer Ted Bundy, article in Dec. 1996 issue of _The Progressive_]
Religion is like fisting or anal sex - a nice hobby that should be practiced behind closed doors and without public involvement.
I'm sure he could can find a way to bring closed door topics to the pulpit.
I don't think God can be destroyed by people.
1. So our rights come from God and not the state? Then Messrs. Beck and Dobson wouldn't have any problem granting constitutional rights to undocumented migrants and terrorist suspects held at Guantanamo, Right?
2. I'm imagining a little fundie Jesus-loving sixth-grader attending school in, say Dearborn, MI or Patterston NJ, surrounded by little kids wearing the hijab and the taqiyah, all reciting the Quaran. You can call it a moment of silence but there are damn good reasons to keep that shit out of public schools.
3. I still would love Dobson to come over and give my neighbors' dog a little attention.
OMG...I hadn't heard about Bill Frist's treatment of cats... *blood boiling* My cat is hiding from me right now, but I think she might be due for a hug... :(
Now I did know about James Dobson's psycho behavior with that poor dog. And him recounting that story was in the context of a man maintaining his God-given authority over the women and children in his household... *puke and shudder*
Let us not forget how Mitt "double Guantanamo" Romney treated his family pooch...
Edit - And my God, all of that taken into consideration, esp. Dobson's trip makes me so glad I've gotten out of evangelical Christianity... *shudder*
Edit Again - I just realized that Dobson's dog was as wee as my dog is. And he beat the poor thing. Fucking monsters the whole lot of them...
... wasn't it Judy - Giuliani's wife? Didn't she engage in egregious behaviors with animals as well?
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I just googled for more info... I imagined that if nothing else, she prolly wasn't the type to settle for faux fur coats, but no, it gets even worse than that... Evil, evil people... And those poor dogs...
the holy roller's right wing mentality, it's just a matter of degree. According to the born-agains, we have elevated man above god. (Not that we've seen or heard from "god" for over 2,000 years; that's not a fair question.) We haven't kissed this mysterious tyrant's ass properly on a daily basis. Anyone who thinks that man shouldn't be allowed to treat other beings any way they want is fair game. They love the 10 commandments, especially the first 5 thought crimes. A big one on their playlist is Honor Thy Father And Mother. That allows them to treat their children however they want based on biblical teachings. If they treat their children like that, animals are considered no better than rocks. It goes al ong way to explaining why so many right wingers are involved with abusing animals, child abuse, sex crimes and murders.
Indeed, I've got to agree... When I think of the whole "child training" trends among some wingnut families, it's not surprising that they would be even more callous to animals, but yet I'm still not quite over the shock of hearing what individual reichwingers have done, including the comment I just noticed about Bush torturing frogs... Too awful.
she was a sales rep for a controversial medical supplies company and demonstrated surgical staples on dogs to sell the supplies to doctors. The dogs would die in the process or were put to death afterward.
Many conservative Christians enjoy dominating, even torturing, animals.
....then this god must be a massive prick (no offense to any religious folk here). If our rights came from god then it would still be ok to rape women and stone anyone for stupid s***. Here's a novel idea....let's educate these kids. I guess educated kids don't jive with their base though, can't have a bunch of critical and free thinking,elitist,bible questioning,truth seeking,seperation of church and state backing,liberals running around. Oh and don't even get me started on the myth of evolution.
One of the problems is that these crackpots refuse to recognize or allow that different people have different "truths" -- He is entitled to his --- but I am also entitled to mine.
Dobson will die trying to to force his vicious and unforgiving god down the throat of every American -- including those too young to either think for themselves or defend themselves against his propaganda.
Yes, definitely. It's terrifying that he writes parenting books, and that people actually buy them.
"...And you just think I don't know what to believe anymore ...there's only one truth, I think, and that's your personal truth, and that's what you should believe
Noel Gallagher
Mohammed Atta slaughtered and disemboweled Amanda Keller's cat and its kittens.
I can't believe I almost forgot Mike Huckabee's son as well... It's depressing how fundamentalism breeds vicious sociopaths...
Let's not forget Sarah Palin's bloody mooses...
Not to mention the wolves she so bravely believes in shooting from helicopters... *sigh*
I think it's the other way around. Sociopathy is the source of fundamentalism.
Yeah, that's definitely true, but I do think that in some cases someone is born into a religion, and the specific conditions of their religion end up nurturing that person's sociopathy.
You can pick your friends, but you can't pick your family. As George Carlin said, religion is dangerous to good mental health.
Indeed. I once had the misfortune of knowing someone who could not be accused of being decent in his treatment of women. He grew up Mormon, with the family's affilation going several generations. It's probable he probably still would have turned out a monster in my opinion if he'd been born into another religion or none at all, but I don't think that a church that stresses subordination of women helps very much.
believers are usually very angry people. As Jeanane Garafolo said, religion allows people to liberate their inner dickhead. A lot of sociopathic behavior can be excused by referencing a 2,000 year old
collection of fairy tales.
none of these whack-jobs will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. See, God has a response just for those spiritual leaders who mislead, and it doesn't include the Blessed Realm. It's either God's good to His word, or God has been bought. In any event, I don't want any part of it.
at the people down here, who seem to think what He cares about. Regardless of what these idiots think, God will do what He wants, not what the Republican Party wants, and they are idiots if they think He even cares!
to the founding fathers that anyone, even someone as functionally retarded as Glenn Beck, can be so financially successful. (Apologies to the mentally challenged for lumping them in with Glenn Beck).
"Beware America, progressives want to end prayer -- which means to these maniacs the elimination of GOD. "
That's absurd! Everybody knows God is dead! Whatsa matter with these guys?
Friedrich Nietzsche
Dobson and Beck have the temerity to call themselves Christians, and in fact represent themselves as standing in defense of the faith.
Therefore:
- God has no problems with these two bigoted loudmouths speaking on His behalf. Therefore, if he can excuse or ignore THEM, he should have no problem with me.
- OR God has no problems with these two bigoted loudmouths speaking on His behalf, but will judge me harshly and send me off to eternal damnation. Which means the Christian faith and the Christian God is simply something I wish no part of.
- OR God has no problems with these two bigoted loudmouths speaking on His behalf, because they aren't, and He would like nothing more for the rest of us to wake up and recognize them for what they are: hatemongering charlatans peddling fear and exclusivity under cover of pious self-righteousness.
- OR God simply doesn't exist. It's all a delusion, which explains why the people WITH delusions, like Beck and Dobson, are so attracted to it.
It should, of course, be noted that Beck and Dobson aren't being honest - it's not God's glory they're working for, it's their own self-aggrandizement. The path to redemption is through Dobson's office, and you have to accept Dobson's interpretation of God's Word and Christ's Teachings. Beck, on the other hand, will tell a touching tale of a Christmas Sweater that changed his life, but the other 364 days of the year, he's a braying ass, like so many who profess to be 'Christians' in this world.
So if getting rid of God means we're rid of theocratic nazis like Beck and Dobson, it's probably a good thing.
Officials ordered to stop prayer at schools
Snip - ACLU wins injunction against Santa Rosa School District.
A federal judge has ordered the Santa Rosa County School District to stop promoting religion and prayer in the classroom and at school events. > http://www.pnj.com/article/20090113/NEWS01/90...
PS. Beck > He has not stated a definite position on embryonic stem cell research, and admits his daughter's cerebral palsy affects his viewpoint. "It's easy to say, Well, it would help my daughter. Having to look my daughter in the eye and say, This might repair you. And then say, I have to say no, because I don't think it's right to do it. I'm not sure that it's wrong to do it. I'm just not sure it's right. :-(
Lily Allen -
Fuck You
The lyrics are perfect.
God tells me he would never ever speak to anyone who doubts his omnipotence so much that they think mortals can destroy him.
He told me he's tired of all this silly worship too.
"When you're as powerful as I am, you don't need to be told how great you are."
I live in Germany, where religion is considered an intensely personal matter. My neighbors think that christians who pray publicly and want to see their religion's nose in every aspect of daily life are insane and not much different from the Taliban. Most of them attend services on Sunday (the neighborhood is mostly old folks) but have little respect for Christianity as it's practiced by the conservative lunatic right in America.
Although none would ever admit to supporting Hitler many, of course, did and it's their generation that's responsible for the death camps.
Fortunately, young people here have seen through all the pious bullshit and pretty much reject religion for what it is.
"i don't know where that came from" was in reference to the "rift" not the card, or maybe that was the intention in your post; regardless, dobson sure liked to shift in his seat over every glenn beck "joke". i guess glenn makes every one uneasy.
is god so fragile?
Was Dobson making reference to the Constitution of the Confederacy?
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_c...
I guess that just confirms that Dobson hates America.
The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.
Ku Klux Klan in SE TN and GA reputedly purchases crack babies and barbeques them.
I went to a BBQ in '63 where the granddad of an illegitimate child had it butchered and on the grill when I arrived. Ironically, its teenaged mother had no recourse but the local church, who got her out of town and bought her a new identity.
See Dalton, GA Citizen, Jan. 21 for more of their kind.
I suspect that Dobson is a fervent supporter of female virginity for two reasons: 1-the South is full of generational Satanists (I am not making this up, have some for family) and they do, occasionally, kill a virgin off; and 2) it allows the closet-homosexual contingent of his organization, already outed by media, to get to the boys before the girls do. Another anti-competitive, white-male-chauvinist bonding scheme by the bigots.
Our rights come from neither God nor Constitution, but from the Social Contract that ultimately produced our Constitution. Governments, as defined in this Nation get THEIR rights from the people. You know, We the People of the United States. One could even argue our rights are Ius Naturale, adopted by Christians but presumably of Pagan origin.
Bush's treatment of frogs. Add him to the list of potential serial killers and what they have in common with Dahmer et al.
At first I thought you were talking about Liberty Fries.
How can two believers cry out about the destruction of God without denying his Omnipotence?
...Because they're Stoopid?!
one of these assholes pulls shit out of his mouth 24/7. the other asshole lives very well taking money is the name of this fiction person who NEVER was here. they both talk trash, fear,fear,fear. I think if an asshole gets Free Tax to run a church and then turn the church into a repug talking points, the federal gov,IRS should take away there tax free money and make them start paying there part. Just think, they would have to pay TAXS on there billions thay scam from people to stupid to know when they are getting F*#Ked out of there money.
If there is re-incarnation, I hope when I come back for my next life I hand in a future that has no church ,no God, etc. because they have finally figured out that there is NO GOD!I don't care whose toes I step on here, but I truly believe, with all my heart ,that the world would such a nicer place to live, if it wasn't for RELIGION!Come to think of it ,the world was a nice place until "GOD" put his 2 cents worth on,as in"Stay the fuck away from that tree"!
To believe there's not a God is as contradictory as Glenn Beck and James Dobson cry out about the destruction of GOD, both affirming and denying his omnipotence at the same time.
You missed Dobson's repeated condemnation of 'pan-ography.'
I'm also looking down my educated nose at Dobson's inalienable unablity to distinguish between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
Non sequiturial and ignant broadcasting at it's finest!
After one minute and 10 seconds of this dreck, I looked to see where it came from, and of course, from FAUX "news", that noteworthy piece of garbage still on the airwaves. I am glad there there to showcase what a snide ass hole this guy is.
So this is the infamous Beck? No wonder people hate him so. I bet Jesus does too. Where on earth did he ever get the message that BULLYING others was the way to convince them to join your (Christian) movement?
These guys know no bounds. And they're OUT OF BOUNDS.
I don't care what "god" they worship or hawk, Satan included, which apparently IS their god because they practice the ART OF THE LIE, the tool of the FATHER OF LIES, SATAN.
I bet Beck and Dobson get a lot of Christmas cards saying, "Jesus Love You, but the Rest of Us Think You're an Ass-Hole."
That Beck extols the virtues of Dobson-one of the most divisive, intolerant, whining born again creeps around, speaks volumes. One has to ask-who is trying to force who's beliefs on these people? The religious right has been trying to inject their beliefs into bills, our public schools and propositions for as long as I can remember-not atheists. Instead atheists/non-believers have been trying to keep public arenas free from the establishment of religion-just as proscribed in our Constitution.
I hate how Beck weaved the story of Ted Bundy/porn into this segment. It was an obvious ploy to show: "look folks-atheism/non-belief=rape, murder and death."
Dobson has been trying to do this for years with all the serial killers he has "saved." Bundy may indeed have had experience with porn; Berkowitz may have dabbled in the "occult". But anyone with an ounce of logic should know that both were attempting to put the blame for their heinous acts on something other than themselves.
For Dobson (and Beck) to insinuate that not believing in God aids and abets murder, rape and crime is the height of deceit.
Beck's new digs-no stranger to lying and devious tactics-are a great home for the loser.
What's funny in a strange and sad way, is that ultimately people like Dobson are the ones behaving like "atheists." What I mean by that is, with the cruel way they treat other people and animals that are more vulnerable than they are, they are acting as though they don't truly believe there is a God, and there will be no punishment for them in the hereafter. Religion to them is nothing more than a club to use to beat others into submission. It's sad.
Frankly, I'd rather be with kind non-believers and non-Christians than cruel, hateful, vicious "Christians."
wow...highly offensive.
Anyway
Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate: "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion."
I hope you didn't mean that what I said was offensive. I honestly didn't mean it that way, what I meant to say, is that their way of "believing" is so much worse than the average non-believers way of non-believing. I hope I made myself clear, I certainly didn't mean to insult atheists at all, and if I did, I apologize.
It's what I thought about Bush--if he's so religious, how come he lied us into a war that killed thousands and made millions homeless? What it means is that he actually believes in nothing. These psychos believe they'll get away with it. And they might.
Blame placing on others is one of the classic hallmarks of sociopaths.
Hmmm...maybe the would explain republicans do no wrong mantra.
Dobson and Beck must of ran short of time,
They forgot to attempt the blame that Bundy was a Democrat. A liberal democrat!
I really don't know what political leaning Bundy had. But I am stunned they didn't propagandized that image of Bundy.
And to be sure,
Beck does have fears of people that do not justify his every religious conception.
Beck said, " I don't care if you want to worship a broom ". Yet those that disagree with Beck and Dobson here are supposed to somehow become respectful (not they they haven't been) of the Becks & Dobsons that , " Believe in an invisible being that knows all and picks and choses who he likes and who shall prosper, lives and dies when and where, et al.???
If it be Beck's Broom worshipping or Dobson's invisible man worshipping. Beck and Dobsons alike would trash those that differ from their view. Especially Dobson who protects his " God business " like a rabid CEO.
Besides demeaning peoples faith in other than his view. He decries unfairness because of fear from a minority of secularists. Isn't he fearing them?
"I really don't know what political leaning Bundy had. But I am stunned they didn't propagandized that image of Bundy."
I think Ted Bundy volunteered for Republican campaigns? I do remember he did volunteer with political campaigns, but his affliation is foggy right now...
I'll go ahead and use zee Google to try and refresh my memory...
From wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy#Univer...
"After his discovery, Bundy became a more focused and dominant person. In 1968, he managed the Seattle office of Nelson Rockefeller's Presidential campaign and attended the 1968 Republican convention in Miami, Florida as a Rockefeller supporter.[15]"
and,
"Bundy graduated in 1972 from UW with a degree in psychology.[18] Soon afterward, he again went to work for the state Republican Party, which included a close relationship with Gov. Daniel J. Evans.[19] During the campaign, Bundy followed Evans' Democratic opponent around the state, tape recording his speeches and reporting back to Evans personally."
Surprise, surprise...and Google turned up more info than that...
There is no room in a thoughtful universe for this moron. Where do our rights come from?? Of course they come from the state. It's the state that defines law and therefore defines rights under law.
I don't remember GOD saving anyone's rights in the previous administration. So much for the all mighty.
Funny, but it seems to me that it is the religious folks who start the wars. Isn't it the Taliban killing female teachers and throwing acid in the kid's faces in the name of Allah? If you don't believe in god then religion has nothing to do with your decisions (to wage war). Are we atheists the ones asking for the "moment of silence"? No, the fundies are. So why are they trying to influence things, and when they don't succeed, blame it all on hatred of religion? Time is precious enough in schools without wasting it on useless stuff like that. I'm already annoyed that the waste time on the pledge of alleeegence, which is quite meaningless in the grand scheme of things, particularly when it isn't true (With liberty and justice for all? Ha!). Also, what does ted bundy have to do with this anyway? How is this now about pornography? I bet that if you did a survey you would find that a greater percentage of non-atheists regularly look at pornography than atheists. Nah, because the religios ones just wouldn't admit to it. What about violence in general? Isn't that also pornography? Should the FCC stop the TV from showing what goes on all over the world? Oh well, what should you expect from FUX anyway, journalism?
Not quite the same thing as starting wars, but a lot of national movements that ended up in war with us, but usually only after we intervened, were atheistic/communist for the last 60 years.
"they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"
from the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution...
Note to Beck and Dobson....... My relationship with God, Jesus, whoever... is my business. All i can tell you about my faith and my beliefs is that in my view, god is looking down on you two and is getting really pissed off. I dont think he likes it when people like beck and dobson use him to make money or gain more popularity. Wasn't there something in the bible about worshipping false idols? Yeah, I thought so. By the way, if anyone wants to pray, to anyone, any being, any anything. Go for it. Do it when you want. Do it where you want. But dont formalize it and expect everyone else to join you. That's just stupid. DUH
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